Bibles in schools should be the basis of an 'educated' America

Bibles in schools should be the basis of an 'educated' America July 12, 2016

The Republican party is the midst of a jolly old gabfest ahead of its national convention in Ohio next week, and Bible talk has taken up a sizeable chunk of time in debates ranging from gay rights to building a wall on the Mexican border … and prairie chickens, which they agreed should not be a protected species.

According to this report, the 112 members of the party’s platform committee insisted that:

A good understanding of the Bible being indispensable to the development of an educated citizenry.

Students, they believe, should be able to take biblical literature as an elective in public schools. Most of yesterday afternoon was taken up discussing this issue.
Moving on to homosexuals and transgenders, Pink News reports that the party looks set to move even further to the right.
Among the provisions to receive initial approval was an amendment put forward by the Family Research Council. It seeks to have the Republicans endorse “conversion therapy’” for children who identify as LGBT.

Tony Perkins and a prairie chicken
Tony Perkins and a prairie chicken
The FRC’s official gobshite Tony Perkins, who drafted the amendment, said:

We support the right of parents to determine the proper treatment or therapy, for their minor children.

It passed both the subcommittee and committee and included a call for a parental consent requirement for minors to cross state lines for an abortion.
The committee has also called on the GOP to view internet pornography as:

A public health crisis.

The amendment that was adopted stated:
Pornography, with its harmful effects, especially on children, has become a public health crisis that is destroying the life of millions. We encourage states to continue to fight this public menace and pledge our commitment to children’s safety and wellbeing.
Language on same-sex marriage was also toughened by the committee, with the initial draft calling on a reversal of the Supreme Court’s decision and for control of marriage to be returned to the states.
Rachel Hoff, an openly gay member of the committee, tried to soften the sentiment through an amendment, but this was rejected on a margin of around three to one.

The committee has also supported North Carolina in it’s transgender bathrooms battle and called on all states to require people to use the restroom that matches their birth gender and not how they identify.
Hat tip: BarrieJohn (Pink News report)

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  • Gill Kerry

    The only public menace as far as I can see is Tony Perkins. Or as you so succinctly put it, official gobshite

  • Marcus

    Is that a transgendered prairie chicken? Just askin’

  • 1859

    ‘A good understanding of the Bible being indispensable to the development of an educated [brainwashed] citizenry.’
    Or – ‘A good understanding of all religions being indispensable to the development of an open-minded, rational citizenry capable of thinking, assessing and, if necessary, rejecting beliefs based on superstition – the so-called ‘wisdom’ of the past.’
    Now that I could agree with.
    ‘We support the right of parents to determine the proper treatment or therapy, for their minor children.’
    This revolting piece of insidious garbage is saying it’s OK for parents to force the gender identity they want on their children – irrespective of what the child may feel? And how do they determine the ‘signs’? Their boy child dresses as a girl (or vice versa) and bingo – they’re off to the ‘therapy clinic’ for chemical castration. Holy shit religious Americans must be some of the most deluded and dumbest people on the entire planet.
    I suspect much of the shift of the religious right towards even more extreme interpretations of their holy book, is a consequence of the internal disintegration of American society which, at times, appears to be awash with firearms and at war with itself. The reason they will give, of course, is that their society is not religious enough, that it is crumbling precisely because religion is being shunned by so many.

  • barriejohn

    Once again we see the religious assuming that their children are their own personal property, and have no rights of their own. How much damage will be done if “reparative therapy” is forced upon gay or transgendered children? Isn’t this child abuse, pure and simple? I came across the following during my internet travels recently – watch and weep!

  • barriejohn

    1859: Spot on. More guns are obviously the answer!
    A prisoner was being moved at western Michigan courthouse when he disarmed an officer and shot and killed two bailiffs Monday before officers killed the gunman, a sheriff said.

  • L.Long

    It would not be too bad to teach the various books o’BS in school IF they would actually teach the books and not cherry pick only the nice BS.

  • SallyinMI

    Our public school system allows teachers to have Bibles in/on their desks, but not to ‘teach’ the Bible. We did have a “Comparative Religions” class years ago.
    I was playing at a church once and the preacher said that ‘If we don’t have the children on board before they are 18, we lose them.’ 18…gee, that’s when I started thinking for myself. The religious right wants the brainwashing complete by 18, so they have their money and their malleable flock. Sick stuff.

  • Ezekiel 23:20 talks about a woman lusting after men who were not only hung like a donkey but came like a horse. Pornography?

  • 1859

    Just had a butchers at Ezekiel 23:20 – wild stuff indeed. Lots of ‘she multiplied her whoredoms’ (I counted at least 14 whoredoms in just Ch. 23) and then the knock-out passage –
    ‘For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses. Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth,in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.’
    It sounds downright painful. And if these are the words of god I can only conclude he is somewhat behind the times.

  • Laura Roberts

    So far everything I’ve read suggests that the GOP is committing political suicide if they continue down this path, embracing religious extremism, homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia. I really hope that’s true. There’s nothing I’d like to see more than wholesale slaughter of the GOP in November. Not that the Democratic party isn’t chock-full of gobshites — just a slightly less repulsive variant. American elections are like being forced to choose between a paedophile and a pickpocket for someone to babysit your kids.

  • Stephen Mynett

    “. . . embracing religious extremism, homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia.”
    Laura, those are the sort of ideas that have just won a vote in the UK, never underestimate the stupidity of the average elector, especially when faced with populist candidates who regard victory as paramount and truth as an unnecessary option.

  • Broga

    A careful, objective reading of the bible is a fast track to atheism. But it is not the bible in all its brutality and slavish admiration of the God tyrant that will be taught. Only the sanitised version will be provided.

  • Paul

    There are a lot of things that can be the basis for an educated society – but the bible isn’t one. Unless, and I agree with Broga, it is the parts that need serious questioning in the filth, racism, corruption, murder, rape, stupidity etc. But those are unlikely to be taught or even identified.

  • Stephen Mynett

    I have mentioned this before but worth a repeat. When the Berliner Senate decided to bring in Ethik as compulsory class it was opposed by a strange and nasty coalition of extreme religious factions. The Ethik class was to teach about religions, world views, philosophies etc but definitely about them and not to prioritise any one or suggest any was correct, just to discuss them academically. The religionists hated this and forced a referendum which they did not even need a majority in to stop the introduction of these classes. Happily the vote was massively against the religious lobby and while Berliner children are now being taught properly those that had campaigned together are now back to slagging each other off and claiming their’s is the only true religion.

  • H3r3tic

    @Stephen Mynett – Are you suggesting that the “leave” vote was a result of “religious extremism, homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia?” I won’t list the reasons I voted leave as it is off-topic, but none of them have anything to do with those you mentioned.

  • Stephen Mynett

    @ H3r3tic: Xenophobia was very high on the list of reasons and we have seen the tripe coming from christian concern, so yes that sort of idiot thinking was a major factor, you only have to look at some of the crap from occasional posters on this forum about the topic.
    I am not particularly interested in your regions but to try to claim xenophobia and other extremism was not a major factor in the vote outcome is dishonest.

  • Biglee

    I consider the holy books to be Hazardous Waste. So wherever I am in the world I always toss the hotel room holy book in the trash bin. Not the bin in the room but the big dumpsters out back.

  • Dianne Leonard

    By the time I was 16, I “was a thorough-going atheist with sufficient knowledge of scripture to combat the faithful” (to quote Alex Cockburn.) This was in large part because (1) I realized I was lying to them–age 9, (2) they were lying to me–age 10, and (3) I read all of the books I could on sacred texts (Bible 2 times, 2 versions, Koran, Gita, Japanese and Chinese texts from Buddhism, books on mythology, etc.) Then in college I took a class reading the Hebrew Bible–yes, the whole thing–in the original. There’s nothing like reading books of BS to change a good Catholic girl into a good atheist. I still read mythology, as it’s good fun.

  • Cali Ron

    Laura Roberts: My thoughts exactly. The GOP has moved so far out in right field they are in danger of leaving the playing field altogether. Let’s hope that the US doesn’t follow the UK’s lead. I think an important difference is that a much larger percentage of the US population is minority. The ability to win elections by playing the race card is diminishing as the white majority shrinks. Of course, I could be wrong. We elected Bush twice and he was obviously a disaster waiting to happen when he was elected the first time. Sad that a country with 320 million people can’t come up with better candidates than the 2 we have.

  • Stephen Mynett

    I am not as well read as you Dianne but I also enjoy reading stuff like this and it is interesting to see how much is copied/plagiarised. By the time the bible was thrown together there was little, or nothing,in it that had not appeared in ancient texts in some form.

  • H3r3tic

    @Stephen Mynett – your lack of interest in my regions is a great relief to me :-). I know many people who voted leave for reasons that have nothing to do with those you quote. I think you are doing a great number of people who voted leave a huge disservice but, as there would appear to be know definitive source of information on the reasons people voted in the way they did, we will have to agree to disagree.

  • Stephen Mynett

    I could not care less about your reasons (so I make typos, who doesn’t?), the simple fact is that you voted in support of a campaign run by right wing bigots and a campaign that was littered with lies, although the remain was probably little better.
    Anyone who voted leave disgusts me as I believe it was a stupid decision that many will have to pay for, especially the younger generations about to leave school who had no say but will have to try to clear up the mess. I had no intention of doing anyone a disservice but now you mention I am glad you see it that way.

  • Cali Ron

    barriejohn: I found that video from the link very disturbing. As a young child I was both fascinated and frightened by those kind of events. I was “baptized in the Holy Spirit” at about the age of 11 when I first spoke in tongues. It came after more than an hour of intense praying, crying, laying on of hands by church elders and pastors. In retrospect, I had no choice for failure to succeed meant I was not “right with god” and I would have to “atone for my sins” with more praying,sobbing etc. Ridiculous to subject a child to that kind of pressure over something they are not capable of understanding.
    Speaking in tongues and interpretations were a standard practice in my church, but the interpretations were always done by church elders, all the better to control the message. I pity that poor child, already deeply indoctrinated she will be lucky to ever pull away from the destructive influence of this stupidity. The whole “tongues” thing is utter BS and to believe that that young child can is both insane and abusive. The comments posted made me sick as deluded christians praised the video and the abuse of that child. I’m getting really pissed off thinking about that child and my own experience. Damn, but that got my Irish up! Now I need a drink, but it’s only 8:00 in the morning here. Arrrgh!

  • barriejohn

    Cali Ron: Thankfully, I avoided the charismatic experience, but, as Dianne says above, there was a whole lot of lying going on on both sides. I knew several youngsters who were accosted with: “Are you saved?”, only to make up the answer that they considered appropriate (“Yes – I asked Jesus into my heart last night”, or something equally stupid) , followed by years of pretence. There was also the “Would you like to be saved, Johnny?” scenario, which I am sure you know well, which invariably leads to another lost sinner “finding the Lord”. It is necessary to then continue with the charade, maybe for many years. I knew people whose lives had been ruined by “going forward” at a Billy Graham Crusade or similar highly-charged evangelistic effort. They had no idea what it was all about really. I’ve posted Jesus Camp videos here several times, so I won’t go down that route again, but there is a follow-up interview with some of the victims that I can’t locate at the moment. However, here is an interview with Levi O’Brien, who sounds much like another version of myself at that age, and claims that the experience actually helped him! It’s very worrying indeed.

  • barriejohn

    Deleted Levi Jesus Camp scene (Levi Fasts for God):

  • Peter Sykes

    Laura Roberts:
    Choice of “between a paedophile and a pickpocket for someone to babysit your kids.” I’d have pickpocket every time and give them a bonus!

  • Cali Ron

    barriejohn: Very disturbing. He is a product of religious indoctrination and still quite young. Only time will tell if he will ever be a freethinker or remain deluded. I don’t believe in the Christian “sins of the father being visited upon their children”, but indoctrination of your children into religion is the secular equivalent.

  • barriejohn

    Cali Ron: If you google them, you’ll find that not only are many as deluded as they were when kids, but they have a LOT of admirers around the globe. Even Obergruppenfuhrer Becky Fischer’s career doesn’t seem to have suffered as a result of her exposure in the documentary!
    Scroll down for up-to-date news about Levi O’Brien.

  • barriejohn