Malaysia made to look 'stupid' and 'backwards' over hot dogs

Malaysia made to look 'stupid' and 'backwards' over hot dogs October 20, 2016

The Malaysian Islamic Development Department – the Malay government’s religious authority – has become the object of ridicule after it ordered food outlets to drop the word ‘dog’ from hot dogs.
Those who do not comply, according to this report, risk being refused halal certification as dogs are considered unclean in Islam and should not be linked to food.
However, not all in government are backing the ruling. Nazri Aziz, the Minister for Malaysian Tourism and Culture, called the decision “stupid and backward,” telling reporters that as a Muslim he was not offended.

Hot dog is hot dog lah. Even in Malay it’s called hot dog – it’s been around for so many years. It comes from the English language. Please do not make us seem stupid and backward.twitter

Action was taken because Muslim tourists reportedly complained about the name of the food, which often contains pork meat in the West, but is mostly made from halal chicken in Malaysia.
Sirajuddin Suhaimee, director of the halal division in the Department of Islamic Development, said consumers were “confused” over the wording of hot dogs.

Any [halal] products that make consumers confused, we have to change. In Islam, dogs are considered unclean and the name cannot be related to halal certifications.

US food chain Auntie Anne’s, which has dozens of outlets across Malaysia, was given a “no halal certification” warning unless it renamed its product “Pretzel Sausage”.
The company said the pretzel chain had no problem with changing the name, saying it was a “minor issue”.
The company’s halal executive, Farhatul Kamilah, is reported here as saying on her Facebook page that the chain has proposed several new names and was waiting for the Islamic department’s approval.

The term “root beer” has also been deemed unacceptable in Malaysia since 2009, because of Islam’s prohibition on alcohol — even though root beer contains no alcohol.
Last year, “halal” bottled mineral water was introduced to the country.
Hat tip: BarrieJohn

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  • CoastalMaineBird

    The Church of Perpetual Offense strikes again.

  • Broga

    “Please do not make us seem stupid and backward.” Too late, mate. Your missed two words “even more.”

  • As an egoist, I am offended that the word “I” is aropriated in both Islam and Muslim. They must refrain from using these words immediately.
    And if they also stop the murders and rapes and slavery that will also be acceptable.

  • Hoky

    Is “halal” water the same as “Holy” water.?
    Dogs are clean if you bath them.

  • Laura Roberts

    @Broga: to be sure, that dog has left the kennel.

  • barriejohn

    As I said on another thread this morning, they’re denying it now. I wonder why?
    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/no-ban-on-hot-dogs-says-malaysian-minister/3221116.html

  • barriejohn

    I wonder whether they have ever tried “Jussipussi”, “Cock Flavour Soup”, or Haribo “Creamy Dreams”?
    http://rudefoodnames.com/Welcome.html

  • Laura Roberts

    @barriejohn: or Spotted Dick?

  • chrsbol

    the Department of Islamic Development
    “Pretzel Sausage”.
    “halal” bottled mineral water
    As Pythonesque as Norwegian Blue and the
    Ministry of funny walks.

  • L.Long

    I still think we should push this to the limit and try convincing them that hotdogs are made of dog and hamburgers are made of ham, and any others we can think of.

  • barriejohn

    Maybe Hilda Ogden thought that the “Horse Douvers” were made of horse!

  • Jobrag

    L Long, I hate to think what they think goes into cottage pie, toad in the hole and shepherds pie.

  • barriejohn

    Believe it or not, I have just heard this exchange on the repeat of ITV’s local news:
    Fred Dinenage: “I like a Granny Smith.”
    Sidekick: “I prefer a Pink Lady.”
    I’m still trying to work out whether that was deliberate or not!

  • Broga

    @barriejohn: Since the subject has come up my favourite apple is Lord Lambourne: crisp, sharp, sweet. A close second for me is Sunset. Both English apples. And yet I see in Tesco people buying tasteless French apples wrapped in plastic.
    I’m lucky enough to have an orchard and our apples are stored in our fruit room. Of course, you need land and they need work. But people seem disinclined to put any effort in and prefer the Tesco product. A neighbour told his nephew he could have as many apples as he wanted.
    The nephew said, “I’ll have them if you pick them and bring them to me.” The apples have gone, for free, elsewhere.”
    Are Muslims OK with apples. Your have to be so careful.

  • The Hot Dog looks like the Prophet’s Ding Dong.

  • Robster

    “Are Muslims OK with apples. You have to be so careful.”Don’t those besotted with that Jesus fairy have an issue with those evil apples too? If I remember, the Mary fraud involves the (alleged) virgin chowing down on an apple after the chatty reptile (allegedly) told her and the significant other specifically not to do so. Isn’t that how it’s supposed to go. Or something?

  • 1859

    @MFR: And pray, how do you know what the prophet’s Ding Don looks like? And don’t play the innocent!
    The German for testicles is ‘Eier’ meaning ‘eggs’ – how do they cope when ordering ‘scrambled eggs’?

  • Broga

    @Robster: Bloody hell. I completely forgot about the Christian view of an apple. How did I overlook that? I suppose I’ll have to dump them on the compost heap. I can’t go against the Christian teaching.
    Why did that silly bitch Eve have to eat an apple? Why couldn’t it have been an avocado or a pomegranate.

  • Club Secretary

    @ Miss Floribunda Rose says:
    Fri 21 Oct at 1:38 am
    The Hot Dog looks like the Prophet’s Ding Dong.
    Can’t, it has not been circumcised.

  • CoastalMaineBird

    Broga: “Why did that silly bitch Eve have to eat an apple?
    A common misconception, but nowhere in the Bible does it say the fruit is an apple.
    Nowhere.

  • barriejohn

    Muslims are even more confused about “Original Sin” than Christians, mainly because they have borrowed the story from the Bible – then claiming that it had been “revealed” to Mohammed! I find the following exchanges hilarious, but they do demonstrate just how muddled their thinking is (if there is any):
    http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/71/according-to-islamic-perspective-who-ate-the-apple-of-heaven-adam-or-eve

  • John

    Does anyone know the exact basis on which Muslims consider dogs to be ‘unclean’?

  • barriejohn

    John: I think the reason for that is twofold. Firstly, dogs tend to be generally despised in Middle Eastern culture (they don’t seem to treat ANY animals with much respect or affection!), and secondly, Islam borrows heavily from the Bible, where “dog” is quite blatantly a term of abuse.
    http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/hebrew-bible/dogs-in-the-bible/

  • John

    The link you provided does not state that dogs are to be considered unclean and it only refers to Jewish belief.
    According to a Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unclean_animal#Dogs on unclean animals (which is how they were described in the article above):-
    Dogs[edit]
    Main article: Islam and animals § Dogs
    According to the majority of Sunni scholars, dogs can be owned by farmers, hunters, and shepherds for the purpose of hunting and guarding and the Qur’an states that it is permissible to eat what trained dogs catch.[32] Among the Bedouin, the saluki dogs are cherished as companions and allowed in the tents.
    Nevertheless, many Islamic teachers state dogs should be considered unclean and that Muslims licked by them must perform ritual purification. According to a Sunni Islam Hadith, a plate that a dog has used for feeding must be washed seven times, including once with clean sand mixed with the water, before a person may eat from it.[citation needed]
    This suggests there are no theological grounds for considering dogs to be theologically unclean.
    The Malaysian Minister needs to check his religious facts.
    This also highlights just how much so-called hadiths have been grafted on to the original religious teachings and in the process making them both look completely stupid.
    More seriously, a similar process explains why women today are so dominated by men in Muslim society.

  • barriejohn

    John: I thought I had made it plain why Jewish and Christian belief was important here. Constant efforts are made to convince us that both the Old Testament and its bastard children, the NT and Koran, teach nothing but respect for dogs, but a cursory reading will show this to be absolutely false. As I said, I wouldn’t necessarily “blame” religion for this, as it merely reflects the attitudes that prevailed in those communities at the time that the books were written. Now, of course, all that has to be correctly “interpreted” by those qualified so to do(!).