Texas church massacre was God's way of answering prayers

Texas church massacre was God's way of answering prayers November 7, 2017

Commenting on the shooting that claimed 26 lives at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, this weekend, Illinois Lutheran Pastor Hans Fiene, above, said:

When those saints of First Baptist Church were murdered yesterday, God wasn’t ignoring their prayers. He was answering them.

In a piece written for the right-wing website The Federalist, he explains his reasoning thus:

‘Deliver us from evil’. Millions of Christians throughout the world pray these words every Sunday morning. While it doesn’t appear that the Lord’s Prayer is formally a part of the worship services at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, I have no doubt that members of that congregation have prayed these words countless times in their lives.
When we pray these words, we are certainly praying that God would deliver us from evil temporally – that is, in this earthly life. Through these words, we are asking God to send his holy angels to guard us from those who would seek to destroy us with knives and bombs and bullets. It may seem, on the surface, that God was refusing to give such protection to his Texan children. But we are also praying that God would deliver us from evil eternally.
Through these same words, we are asking God to deliver us out of this evil world and into his heavenly glory, where no violence, persecution, cruelty, or hatred will ever afflict us again.

He added:

Because of Christ’s saving death and resurrection, death no longer has any power over those who belong to him through faith. So the enemies of the gospel can pour out their murderous rage upon Christians, but all they can truly accomplish is placing us into the arms of our savior … So when a madman with a rifle sought to persecute the faithful at First Baptist Church on Sunday morning, he failed.

In fact, police say that Devin Patrick Kelley, the deceased gunman who carried out the attack, was not motivated by either racial or religious prejudice.
Many blamed Kelley’s alleged atheism for the shooting.
Instead, police hinted that the shooting was motivated by a domestic dispute, while noting that Kelley’s mother-in-law attended the church. Police also said that they found that Kelley had recently sent “threatening” text messages to his mother-in-law.
Fiene went on:

Just like those who put Christ to death, and just like those who have brought violence to believers in every generation, this man only succeeded in being the means through which God delivered his children from this evil world into an eternity of righteousness and peace.

And he concluded:

Those who persecute the church and those who mock Christians for trusting in Almighty God rather than Almighty Government may believe that the bloodshed in Texas proves the futility of prayer.
But we believers see the shooting in Texas as proof of something far different – proof that Christ has counted us worthy to suffer dishonor for his name and proof that no amount of dishonor, persecution, or violence can stop him from answering our prayer to deliver us from evil.

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  • gedediah

    Prayer – be careful what you ask for!

  • AgentCormac

    As logic goes, that’s about as tortured as it can get.

  • Broga

    That pastor: a dishonest, mind addled clown desperately trying to escape the inevitable conclusion that his God does not exist.

  • Angela_K

    Using this religious nutter’s logic, it must be OK to slaughter Christians and help them escape evil.

  • barriejohn

    I have one question to ask: When this pastor is ill, does he go to a medical practitioner for antibiotics etc., or does he just let nature take its course? I’d love to know the answer!

  • Barry Duke

    Well, that’s 26 people whose deaths will ensure that they don’t become gay or alcoholic.

  • AgentCormac

    @Barry Duke
    I love the top response to Mad Pat’s deranged ramblings:
    ‘Pat, if God killed people because they were going to grow up to be disappointments, you wouldn’t have survived the crib.’

  • barriejohn

    “O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!” (Romans 11:33 KJV)

  • barriejohn

    Evidently, we need “a stronger connection to God” if we are to overcome this sort of evil:

  • Italian Scallion

    A church massacre is God’s way of answering prayers? Are these people out of their minds? Your god has killed many people in cold blood for no apparent reason. We’re talking about many innocent people, such as men, women, children and “BABIES.” Definitely not a loving and caring god.

  • 1859

    Their god sends evil into the world because he ‘loves’ us? And we must pray to be released from bombs, bullets and general massacres so that we can be ‘saved’ and languish in the ultimate safety of a heaven?
    Ever since reading the above ‘pastor’s’ serpentine logic I have been chewing the table legs trying to work it out. My table has now collapsed and I’m lying here defeated by the stupefying splendor of religion’s breathtaking logic. Does anyone know of another planet where I can go and live?

  • RussellW

    The eternal problem of theodicy that Christians have tried to rationalise for two thousand years has driven some of them barking mad. Fiene is just another in a very long line of demented religiots.

  • Cali Ron

    For the sin of stupidity and callous disregard for the suffering and pain of the survivors as well as the disrespect for the deceased I hope Hans Fiene’s god answers a prayer and delivers him from evil. And may it be a long, slow and excruciating delivery. A man.

  • Robster

    So, nuclear annihilation is a big resounding Yes from the deity then?

  • Broga

    Robster : Perhaps the Deity has decided that he fucked things up at the first try and, after disposing of his mistake, wants to try again.

  • RussellW

    How could an omniscient, omnipotent God make a mistake? The only logical conclusion is that ‘God’ is a totally sadistic prick.

  • Broga

    RussellW: Like the prayer argument: asking and omniscient Being to change its mind.