Dangerous Danish cult recruits 'world famous' singer Lou Bega

Dangerous Danish cult recruits 'world famous' singer Lou Bega February 11, 2018

The photo above shows Lou Bega, right, praying with Torben Sondergaard, leader of ‘a really dangerous’ cult called The Last Reformation, based in Denmark.
The picture was taken from a recent The Last Reformation promotional video on YouTube in which Bega speaks of finding Jesus and dragging his family into the cult, which says:

Lou Bega, a world-wide famous singer, best known for the song ‘Mambo No. 5’, appears in our next movie! After he had repented from his sins he saw that he needed to be baptized in Jesus Christ and he contacted us.

Sondergaard is a charlatan and a shameless conman. Another of his videos shows the word “real” appearing in the sky and says:

A woman prayed for a sign in the heavens and God answered her prayer. Yes, it was a plane (we think – we didn’t actually see it), but for us and everyone there, it didn’t make it any less of a miracle, because it happened right there in that moment …


Yes “real” really did appear in the sky, but not in the way presented in the video. In 2014, an Australian marketing company The Works ran a campaign for Sunbeam, a company selling electric home appliances. It targeted men with the slogan “Real men don’t watch football, real men cook”.  A plane was hired write “Real men cook” across the sky but the words “men cook” were removed to hoodwink cult followers.
Sondergaard, who was in Australia at the time, apparently filmed the skywriting and doctored it to deceive gullible viewers of his video, which has been seen more than a million times on YouTube and broadcasted on the world wide Christian TV channel God TV with 250 millions viewers.
Some may say that this was just a harmless trick, but The Last Reformation itself is far from harmless.
In May 2016 we reported that Sondergaard had come to Spain where held healing sessions that targeted autistic children. This prompted Ireland’s Fiona O’Leary, of the group Autistic Rights Together (ART) who herself has two autistic children, to issue a warning about the cult. She said it is:

Really dangerous. They are terrifying vulnerable people and autistic children by telling them they are possessed with demons. They believe they can free the demons from your body by administering baptism. They refer to it as being ‘delivered’ or ‘set free’.
They seem to target vulnerable people; many people with serious conditions are being targeted by The Last Reformation.
Autism is a neurodevelopmental condition that cannot be cured but sometimes parents are not receiving the proper support they need and they can be taken in by groups like The Last Reformation.”
They also claim they can ‘cure’ gay people, it is truly horrendous what this group are doing.


You won’t be surprised to learn that The Last Reformation is a money-making scam. It is currently running a three-week  “Pioneer Training Schoolat the Jesus Hotel in Aalborg, above. To enroll you’ll need to cough up a minimum of £700.00 (£1,400.00 for married couples and £350.00 each for children).
So what do you get for your dosh?

A course of teaching, discipleship, working on spreading the Gospel, walking to the streets healing the sick, casting out demons, baptizing in water and Holy Spirit, travel and much more.
You will be taught the word of God and we provide instruction and practical training in healing the sick, preaching the gospel, leading people to salvation and so on. We will also have guest speakers and teachers from around the world, who already are seeing the fruits of a lifestyle of discipleship.

The person who emailed me about Bega’s involvement with The Last Reformation said:

So, in short, Lou Bega has joined a cult that claims autistic children have demons and the followers (unknowingly) believe an advertisement for electric home appliance was a sign that God blessed them.

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  • Henri

    A money making scam? Well I never. What will they think of next? As far as I can see every religious order, sect and cult is essentially a money making scam. From the Catholic Church right down to the smallest local cult they all scam money out of stupefied coerced masses.
    Its time such institutions are prosecuted for selling a faulty products that do not work.

  • Broga

    No shortage of gullible victims as is demonstrated yet again.
    ” practical training in healing the sick.” Great use of the word practical. The suckers think they will learn something they could actually use. Why waste six years becoming a doctor when you can start “healing the sick” in return for £700.

  • AgentCormac

    Deluded though he may be, at least our resident village idiot, Bob Hutton, isn’t, as far as we know, clinically retarded. He just chooses of his own free will to be a complete fucking idiot. But I guess it takes a special kind of moral low for religiots to target autistic children who, in many cases, don’t really have the faculties to decide anything for themselves. I hope they feel utterly ashamed.

  • CoastalMaineBird

    I’ve noticed that faith healers never work at hospitals, which seems like the place where they’re needed most.
    I wonder why that is?

  • Peterat

    What’s next,”miracle water”?

  • Marcus

    For 700 quid I wanna be taught how to walk on water, and change water into wine.

  • This is really far out.
    I did not held a meeting in Spain targeted autistic children. Try prove that? I like to see that?
    And the 700 pounds are for 3 weeks with food and lodging. Not like you write here.
    It is sad to see a journalist write such things without checking if it is correct what he writes.
    Thanks
    Torben Søndergaard
    http://www.thelastreformation.com

  • StephenJP

    And so, at no extra expense, you get to know how to walk on wine!
    More seriously, this cult is clearly a money-making scam. When such scams take advantage of gullible idiots, I would be inclined to leave them to it. But when they take advantage of vulnerable people, and tell blatant lies into the bargain, they need to be exposed and squashed. I hope that their presence in the UK is minimal.

  • Sue

    StephenJP
    Their presence is not minimal. It seems they have an interative map with their core followers at http://www.tlrmap.com
    Try to look at it.

  • Barry Duke

    Torben, are you denying, as reported here and in many other news outlets, that your outfit regards autistic children as “demon possessed”?
    And what have you to say about your doctored use of a piece of commercial skywriting to fool people into believing it was a sign from God?

  • Tim

    People are at liberty to believe or not believe an idea. Each of them are responsible for their belief. As long as they are not stealing, (you know like government agencies), extorting you( like the government bombing your nation for domination) then back off. You are free to disagree or agree it is called freedom. Take that away and you can go back to Russian or North Korea and live there. They would just love for you to speak out. Looking at most of your comments you are against anything that about Christians anyway.

  • barriejohn

    God can’t cure baldness then?

  • Laura

    Here is to you Torben …
    https://www.thelocal.es/20160506/cult-leader-who-claims-he-can-heal-autism-arrives-in-spain
    The 700GBD is in addition of the books and videos that the brainwashed “students” have to buy and study before they join. Your so called doctrine given by God. 😉
    And it’s not only the autistic children that you target for money, it’s all the people who are weak and lost asking them to stop therapy and medication as a proof of faith. What happens to them after you and your Esterhuyze lieutenants-devils have taken their money and completed the brainwash ? Do you care ? You lie every single day of your life and everybody knows this. Shame on you Torben Sondergaard.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    Torben, I really admire your guts in coming to this magazines site and leave your comment. Majority of the Readers of The Freethinker comprise of atheists like me so, you won’t find any potential business here.
    Barry Duke gave you a befitting reply. By the way, I checked Torben’s website, must say that his marketing strategy is excellent;
    https://thelastreformation.com/about-the-jesus-hotel/
    Barry why don’t you start something similar with The Freethinker, starting with a live chat feature on the site, where like minded individuals with an aversion towards all religions can converse with each other.
    Who knows very shortly there would be The Freethinker hotels worldwide like what Torben is planning with his global chain of Jesus Hotels 🙂

  • barriejohn

    Does the Jesus Hotel have a stable out the back, just in case any pregnant woman turns up looking for a room?

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    @barriejohn, hahaha good one, then we will have Jesus Junior being born in The Jesus Hotel

  • andym

    Stayed there once. Loads of food, but not much variety-just bread and some seafood.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    @Tim, as you say that people are at liberty to believe or not believe an idea. How are ideas and opinions formed? Through reading, traveling, introspection as well as personal experiences. If someone is expressing their idea about faith in religion then another individual, who is an atheist should be able to counter the religious person without facing persecution or violence. It is then for the listeners to decide, whom to follow. Bertrand Russell famously said; “Most people would rather die than think:many do” Your statement that you are against anything that is Christian is not correct. A majority of the readers of The Freethinker are probably Westerners and as such they are regularly exposed to Christanity since, it’s the dominant religion in those parts of the world but believe me Eastern religions like Hinduism, Islam etc. are equally bad. If you look carefully at The Freethinker’s website, you will find articles criticizing all religions.

  • barriejohn

    Tim: Many people’s freedom is stolen by those who would indoctrinate or brainwash them, as happened in my own case, in which, as the previous commenter points out, the culprit was fundamentalist Christianity. No one can give me back the precious years which I lost, or undo the psychological damage inflicted upon me as a mere youth. It is shameful and unforgivable. I think he (Gaurav Tyagi) adequately answers your question. The aims of the Freethinker are made clear elsewhere on this site:
    “Cutting”, “abrasive”, “sarcastic”, “offensive” … These are just some of the words used to describe the Freethinker magazine, which was launched in Britain in 1881 and has continued publishing without a break until May 2014, when it became an Internet only publication…
    In issue 1 of the Freethinker (May, 1881) Foote* wrote:
    “The Freethinker is an anti-Christian organ, and must therefore be chiefly aggressive. It will wage relentless war against Superstition in general, and against Christian Superstition in particular. It will do its best to employ the resources of Science, Scholarship, Philosophy and Ethics against the claims of the Bible as a Divine Revelation; and it will not scruple to employ for the same purpose any weapons of ridicule or sarcasm that may be borrowed from the armoury of Common Sense.”

    http://freethinker.co.uk/history/
    * As a result mainly of irreligious cartoons published in the Christmas, 1882, edition, the founder and first editor of the Freethinker, G W Foote was sentenced to 12 months’ imprisonment with hard labour.
    Suck it up!

  • Truth Be Told

    Sondergaard claims to be reforming the church system, all while re-forming the same institution he claims he is against. Sounds like he is robbing an institution by forming his own institution and stealing their funding.
    What a pill!

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    @barriejohn “No one can give me back the precious years which I lost, or undo the psychological damage inflicted upon me as a mere youth. It is shameful and unforgivable”.
    I fully understand your pain and anguish however, you are a strong, thinking individual now. Imagine, the plight of Billions of people on this planet still shackled in the chains of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism etc. All of them are cults, which abuse their followers.
    “The Freethinker is an anti-Christian organ, and must therefore be chiefly aggressive. It will wage relentless war against Superstition in general, and against Christian Superstition in particular. It will do its best to employ the resources of Science, Scholarship, Philosophy and Ethics against the claims of the Bible as a Divine Revelation; and it will not scruple to employ for the same purpose any weapons of ridicule or sarcasm that may be borrowed from the armoury of Common Sense.”
    This paragraph attracted me to The Freethinker in the first place.
    I wrote an article about religious stupidity, which no publication was ready to carry since, it involved religion. I came across The Freethinker while doing a random search on the internet about anti-religious news sites.
    Barry Duke was kind enough to provide me space in his prestigious magazine by carrying this (my first) composition on The Freethinker;
    http://freethinker.co.uk/2017/09/15/seeking-publicity-in-the-name-of-absurd-religious-sentiments/
    As for G W Foote, the founder and the first editor of The Freethinker, hats off to that great man. He was far ahead of his times.
    Religious people do not use their minds that’s why we atheists should light up a fire to set their brains thinking, which due to its non-usage slips down to two feet below their head, where the sun doesn’t shine.

  • Rene

    Why do atheists even care, what’s the foundation of your higher moral regarding the destruction of Christianity, and well, basically anything? Why should you care if Christianity or anything was false or not and that it ‘indoctrinates’ people?

  • Barry Duke

    Why should we care, Rene? The answer is simple. We have only one life, and we want a better world in which to live it and raise our children.
    Religion, which strives to discourage critical thinking, produces people who contribute very little to the betterment of society. Wishful thinking for a place in a non-existent heaven turns believers into cattle – easy prey for charlatans like Sondergaard, and hundreds like him.
    Tomorrow marks the anniversary of the death of Giordano Bruno, tortured and murdered on February 17, 1600, by the Catholic Church for being a “heretic”. The churches may have lost the power to execute non-believers, but they still have the ability to kill “heretical” thinking by terrorising people with threats of hellfire.
    We want this to stop, and the only way we can stop it is by using every resource available to us to expose the sheer stupidity and the terrible dangers of religious belief.

  • andym

    Methinks Rene sees atheism as turning everyone into nihilistic zombies. That’s more a reflection of your values, not ours.

  • Tim

    Atheism the practise of the absence of God. Christ Jesus will build his kingdom regardless of your efforts to stop it. All the mocking and jesting of how you think you can remove the spiritual life of others through your persistent resistance. My fellow brothers in Christ have errors but this is not your fight. Your fight is with God and you have already lost. The Spirit of God will use you in your hardened heart to be an example to all the hosts of heaven of those who think they can resist God. No Atheism is NOT higher moral ground at all. Atheist lie to themselves and in their darkened mind think them selves wise. In you heart you just hate God. Now that is THE PROBLEM nothing more nothing less. It is written that they hated Jesus with a cause. Atheism is but the outward evidence of hating God in the similar way.

  • andym

    Not just a troll, but an semi-literate one. I think you mean “practice” (noun), Dear Boy.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    Hahaha, Tim you are a funny guy. You can only hate a living being. God is a figment of human imagination. Look , when kids are 7 or 8 years old they often fight with each other. One child says Superman is the best. The other one says no Batman is the bravest but the adults know that all these superheroes are ‘created characters’ for the entertainment of kids. Religious people are those, who refuse to grow up. No matter, what is their physical age. Their mental age remains stuck as that of a 7 or 8 year old kid. Muslim says Allah is the real and only God. Christian says Jesus is the real one. Hindus have millions (no dictators; full democracy) of Gods but in reality there are no Gods. Religion and Gods were invented to keep society in check so, the masses don’t revolt against the corrupt practices of kings/politicians and their brothers-in-arms, priests.

  • barriejohn

    Guarav Tiagi: Exactly. It would be like wasting energy “hating” Micky Mouse!
    I received the following post yesterday:
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/tippling/2018/02/17/god-sick-creation-man/

  • Barry Duke

    You absolutely nailed it, Gaurav. People like Tim, who haven’t the foggiest idea of what atheism really is, are suffering from stunted cerebral development. They are intellectual dwarfs.

  • Tim

    Every one of you blind men are trying to so hard to justify your selves as though anyone other than Atheist are stupid as you look down their noses. You proud peacocks! You deny what is in front of you, creation. How can any self inflicted blindness see any thing? You deny God and hate everyone who tries to remove the said veil. You are all with out excuse from the creation of the world HIS eternal Godhead is CLEARLY SEEN.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    Tim man, we are what we are. We do not believe in God. In my personal opinion an atheist should definitely try to reason with the believers of religion about the absurditity of their faith. You are calling us atheists blind whereas religious people like you are stupid blind morons to believe in a non existent God. You fucking proud religious retards, where the fuck is your God, when small helpless kids are raped by horny, greedy bastard priests and pastors in churches, mosques and temples? Where the fuck is your God, when people lose their lives in wars and road accidents? Why doesn’t your God save them? Shove your God up your dirty smelly rear. Go and waste your life singing ‘songs for your imaginary lord’ in a church. You bloody asshole, why do you visit this magazines website, no body over here would join your church.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    @barriejohn nice link. Kindly go through this one by Bhagat Singh, an India revolutionary hanged to death by the British rulers. Bhagat Singh turned to atheism in his brief but highly eventful life. He was only 23 years of age when given the death sentence. Amazing wisdom and clarity of thought at such a young age;
    https://www.marxists.org/archive/bhagat-singh/1930/10/05.htm

  • Broga

    Tim: As a kindly atheist I am sorry for you. You live in a miasma of superstition blinded and choked by the foul cruelties of your tyrant God. Wake up before it is too late and you can enjoy the freshness and freedom of a secular life.

  • Tim

    What God are you speaking of may i ask? Please define the God that you say doesn’t exist and I am in need of over haul so we can at least have a common understanding? Define your words. Just so you understand me my understanding is rooted in the revelation of Jesus Christ the Son of the living God as spoke in the bible. What is your source of knowledge that you are drawing from to make a statement there is no God? Remember my reference of God is the revelation of Jesus Christ. So lets begin.

  • andym

    Everything you post leads me to think you’re a sad, none-too-bright troll, but on the off-chance that you are for real, I’ll suggest you look up the principle Occam’s Razor.

  • barriejohn

    Please define the God that you say doesn’t exist.
    Without doubt the most stupid thing I’ve read here for ages. We now have to define things that don’t exist. Anyway, if your only “proof” for the existence of such a being is that Jesus said that he does, I’d love to see some proof that Jesus himself existed!

  • Tim

    you know your skill of dialogue is very poor other than ranting and pontificating. Start using your mind to think about words to support your understanding. I can give you reasonable arguments for the existence of God. The God of the bible lets make that very clear. Second i can give you very real experience that Jesus Chris is alive but in this group even if that was given your own prejudice and evil mind would begin to through your venum upon what you conclude can not happen to anyone. So i am not ready to through my pearl yet but if there is an someone on this post that can talk in a rational and reasonable way then well..lets get to it.

  • barriejohn

    Tim: I was myself an evangelical Christian (Pymouth Brethren variety) for years before I saw the light, so I’d be amazed if you told me anything that I haven’t heard before. There is NO evidence that Jesus really existed, apart from circumstantial evidence, believe me. The same with God; and all the arguments regarding a first cause, and the existence of physical laws, logic, morality, and so on, have far more satisfactory explanations (see Occam’s Razor again). And you still have no answer to the age-old question, posed in my earlier post: if God is all-powerful, why does evil exist? Is he unaware of it (so not all-knowing); is he aware of it but doesn’t care (so not a loving god); or is he simply unable to do anything about it, and therefore NOT all-powerful after all?

  • andym

    “I can give you reasonable arguments for the existence of God. ” (Tim Troll.)
    Go on, then.We’re all ears (or eyes.)

  • Tim

    Barrie, Thank you for your honest and thoughtful post. These are honest and real questions that we have concerning about the God of the bible. And because you are asking honest questions i will give you the answer. First, is Christ real and is he alive? Good question. We have the testimony of those who encountered the risen Lord. They gave their lives testifying to what they both saw and touched and were eye witness (every apostle was killed other than John who was exiled) of the resurrection.(later I will tell you what happened to me as a living example of one’s encountering the risen LORD) Why does evil exist? God can not stop moral choices of his creatures from choosing evil. Neither angels nor man. He can not make you obey him. By design we determine what course in life we make for our selves given some factors we have no choice over like parents we have, geographic circumstances, and others. There are consequences (good and bad) for choices we make in life.The question of omniscience is simple there are many things that are not knowable to God. He did not know that Adam would disobey him.Nor was it his will for him to rebel. He did not know that all of his creation would rebel against him from the start. In Genesis it says that he was grieved in his heart because of man’s wickedness. It repented God that he had made man. This is a simple answer but there is much more to it lets just start with basics. Does God care? He does. How do you arrest free moral choices from rebelling? The Cross was in the mind(if man should rebel) of God as a way to bring answer a way for God to both reconcile his broken law and reveal his heart towards his rebellious creatures that he loves them. As a wayward son who forsakes his Fathers instruction men forsake HIM. He is and has been reaching out to man through out history not just after Calvery. John 1:9 Christ is the light that lightens every man that comes into the world. Every man has this light of God in them and thus they Know it. Is God all powerful? Physically he can do anything but morally he can warn enlighten show the way to us and he leaves the results up to us. We will choose either him which is life or not him which is death. There is more to this than this post so it is not thorough and should be expanded upon but again not here. Summing up moral choices are not controlled by God nor known. Second, evil is the result of men rebelling against the light that is in them. The fall is the cosmological result of his creatures rebellion. Legally when one rebels against God then harkness sets in (they are not born spiritually dead). This is a good beginning Barrie and there are deeper waters to swim in.

  • andym

    Your idea of an all-powerful, supernatural being seems about as hapless and full of excuses as a hungover teenager who hasn’t done his homework.

  • Tim

    i just told you he is not all powerful morally, If that was true you would not be an atheist.

  • barriejohn

    Tim: I sense that you are looking for the answers, but imposing your own logic on the Bible so that it appears to make sense to you. If, as you say, God had no control over man’s will, and couldn’t foresee Adam’s sin, then how can believers be “chosen in [Christ] before the foundation of the world”?
    Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will. (Eph. 1:3-5)
    You obviously think that God DOES change his mind, but plenty of Bible verses deny this:
    http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/repent.html

  • Tim

    Barrie, Read the verse again very closely..the choosing of us before the foundation of the world is that we are to be holy and blameless before him in love.This was done before man fell. Same for Romans 8:28,29 for whom he predestined us to be conformed to the image of his son..note: This is a verse that tells us what is going to happen to those who come to him. They will be conformed to the image of his son. Even the adoption verse is telling us what he intended to do with those who do come to him..they will be adopted. His knowledge of whom they are will be known to HIM as they respond. The choosing of us in him is the general statement of anyone who responds to the gospel. Hebrews 3;12-14 clearly tells us men can through unbelief depart from the living God..this to is not known till it happens.
    Don’t you see the fruit of believing in your statement has contributed to turning from the oracle of God and rejecting that which was once delivered to the saints?

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    Ethical values like one should be truthful and not hurt others have nothing to do with religion. All religions just compile good ‘to do’ behavior in their holy books along with loads of mumbo jumbo and ask the followers to worship an imaginary ‘made up’ God. No religion in this world encourage a questioning attitude. You have to accept the so called holy books as they are. The world is changing so rapidly. I remember during the early 90’s when India got cable TV. People went, wow this is the height of human discovery now, we can watch so many TV channels by flipping the remote; within no time there was internet and now people anywhere in the world can talk to each other, free of cost through whatspp calling and other apps. The religious books were written by mere mortals centuries back. They hold no relevance. Religions thrive by installing a fear factor of the unknown among the masses. Only people, who do not like to use their brains for thinking fall for them but unfortunately, majority of the people in this world just blindly follow the religion and useless practices associated with it because of the influence of their parents. Tim you can experience a paradigm shift in your thinking by reading writers like Christopher Hitchens. As the famous dialogue in the 1999 movie Matrix goes; “This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill—the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill—you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember: all I’m offering is the truth. Nothing more”.

  • barriejohn

    Tim: You’re just twisting the words to make them fit your beliefs.

  • Tim

    Great quote from the Matrix, love it. When it comes to religion I am in total agreement. Man made books and man made gods should be washed aside. “Truthful and not hurting people has nothing to do with religion;” I agree. Notice that you have a conscience to say this. The ability to evaluate what you do according to your actions. However, you are missing something. If it is really true that there is no god then it would be impossible to find something that doesn’t exist. So atheist have some kind mutual consensus to pad the books so to speak. Remember i was not speaking of any other god than the biblical God. Not Islam, not JW’s, mormons, anglicans, catholics, Buddhistic writings, spirit worship. There are alought of things that has nothing to do with the revelation of Jesus Christ. So because someone does not or has not had any experience with Jesus Christ they lop all gods together as though each is equal and the same. They are not. So for me, the big bomb is I have seen the Son of God by way of a vision. I didn’t sit and meditate did not try to do anything by my self. Secondly, my parent where completely irreligious and had no influence in my life at all in this matter. I was not hallucinating or having a trip from drugs. I simply got down on my knees and ask this simple prayer. Jesus if you are real and you are alive forgive me and make me what you want me to be. The next moment I was taken some where (i don’t know where it was) but i could see a man completely clothed in light up and over in a cloud to my left some thirty feet away. He said to me Tim, the reason you are so unhappy is because of your sin, but i still love you and I still died for you. Then suddenly, I was back on the floor of my parent basement. I began to weep and cry like a baby rolling on the ground. I had a revelation of the Son of God. He shed forth in my life such love that I just wept and wept rolling around on the ground. This love broke all chains of oppression and immediately I found my identity and purpose and meaning. I was a changed young man. Everyone i knew I spoke of what happened to me. All my friends laughed at me. My parent got angry with me but it was undeniable I was a changed person. So religion is bondage but the living Christ is real and he is the sinless Son of God and that he is alive for those who will with an honest heart seek him for themselves. About Barries comments, i can summarize it this way. Barrie to believe the common misinterpretation you gave is to put blame upon God and misrepresent his character. In short what you said is God is the reason men go to hell because he is not electing them. This is cause and effect plain and simple.You have interpreted the bible to place the blame upon the LORD when he is selecting one man over another. No wonder your interpretation is taken by thinking people that God is most loathsome. I can see through wrongly understanding bible verses men are put off with your presentation. 1 Timothy 2:3..For it is the will of God that all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus. Who gave himself a ransom for all.
    He desires all men to be saved. Let that sink in your mind.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    “Remember i was not speaking of any other god than the biblical God. Not Islam, not JW’s, mormons, anglicans, catholics, Buddhistic writings, spirit worship. There are alought of things that has nothing to do with the revelation of Jesus Christ”. The kind of experience you narrated with the so called Jesus Christ, one can find loads of find muslims, Buddhists, Hindus etc. tell regarding their Gods. So, which is the real God? I propose a ‘fight to death’ sort of gladiatorial unarmed man-to-man combat between one priest each selected from all world religions; Christianity and its various sects, Islam and its various sects, Hindus and their various sects etc. The winner of this contest (the last priest standing) his religion should be followed by all religious people on the planet. This way we atheists would have to reason with the followers of only 1 sect of religion 🙂

  • Tim

    Standing from the out side looking in i can appreciate your comment. Elijah had a confrontation with the false prophets of Balaal recorded in the book of Chronicles. Manifestations as you have correctly observe are in many other “religions”. There is a difference..you being on the outside looking in can not appreciate.You do not understand spiritual things through the ignorance that is in you, soooo I understand your statement. In truth, Christ challenges all spirits in the world for he alone is LORD. Going toe to toe with any other Spirit they will bow to him. Read the new testament some day and take it in. Who can say and do anything that you read there? You don’t believe it not because you can’t but because you will not. Therefore it is sin and it blinds and leaves you bound. I can go on and on. The catholic church is not Christian rather in name only they masquerade. You would not know that. It is very hard to show a blind man something he can not see. God does not disclose himself to sinful men. He only discloses himself to honest sinners who know they are guilty and have no excuses. Atheist think them selves as superior intelligence and look down the nose of those who have a belief in God. I can see how a false god can give someone a wrong representation of the true. But then if you don’t want what is the only true God..?? I’m not saying that the Lord God will not reveal himself to an atheist because I meet such a man.. There is hope..but one must stop fighting..and begin seeking..

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    Tim , I was bought up in a Hindu religious family in India. I have also been to mosques and churches.I was foolish enough to have wasted years of my life believing in this useless made up concept of God. Atheists indeed are mentally superior to their religious counterparts because they chose to rebel against established religions rather than be meek, docile followers. I have read the Bible as well and found it to be utterly boring piece of work. I didn’t feel any enlightenment after reading it. I believe in myself and my own capacities no God will open any doors for me. Since, becoming an atheist, I feel more assured, confident and also have become quite famous as well. The Home Ministry of India sent Intelligence Bureau personnel at my parents house in India due to my writings thus making me one of India’s most wanted writer. I am settled in China and like to read as well as write. We all have one life, which we should utilize in our mental upliftment besides trying our best to make the world a better place. Nobody can force his views down the throat of others. If you feel that being an atheist is ignorance, I can turn around and use the same argument that being religious is a sure sign of ignorance. Human species progresses by critically questioning everything not by believing fairy tales written in religious books centuries back. I would suggest you to read the following article by one of India’s most famous revolutionary, Bhagat Singh, who was hanged to death by the Britishers at the young age of 23;
    https://www.marxists.org/archive/bhagat-singh/1930/10/05.htm

  • Tim

    Tell me what moral hight ground do you have to trump Jesus Christ? What miracle have you performed? What life have you changed? Risen from the dead? Full fill all 16 prophecies of in man? What time date do you have that bears your name? What curse word do you use to express your disgust? Why do men curse God every day? No atheist are no more intelligent than any other just because they deny reality. I will stay with the real God that you deny and walk in the reality of the miraculous. The only revolution that has any lasting merit is the kingdom of God through the gospel of HIS SON.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    What moral ground do you have to justify Jesus Christ? I write to make people aware about various issues. If they experience a paradigm shift and change, good for them. “I can only show you the path, you have to walk on it yourself”. The miracle, which I have performed is scaring the ‘pants off’ Indian establishment and it’s not even 2 full years since, I started writing. Hiding behind the myth of Jesus Christ, Christian priests sexually abuse kids and fatten themselves on church donations. As I said, you are free to follow, whatever you wish. I have outgrown all religious nonsense and won’t join you in singing praises of Jesus Christ. The reality is there isn’t any God. You can continue living in your fantasyland and jump with joy like a monkey in your so called Kingdom of God.
    Stop wasting your time coming to this forum and praise God because we folks over here won’t be swayed by your propaganda.
    Barry Duke(the editor of this magazine) is kind enough not to block you, if I were to go to any Christian or any other religious site and post like the way you are doing here, it would make the trousers of priests wet from the front and yellow from the back and they would block me.
    The fact that Barry hasn’t done so shows the large, kind heartedness and broad minded mentality of us atheists. You religious folks on the other hand are just like Zombies wasting your lives following books written by fraud characters to befool masses during ancient times.

  • barriejohn

    Gaurav: You’re wasting your time. We’re dealing with a closed mind here. “Walking in the reality of the miraculous”; what bullshit! They can’t produce a shred of evidence to support their ridiculous assertions apart from anecdote and coincidence. The last time that I was admitted to A&E with chest pains I waited on a trolley in a draughty corridor with dozens of others until five o’clock the following morning to see a doctor, but there was no sign of the local charismatics laying on hands or anointing the sick to empty the hospital. What a boost that sort of thing would provide to their membership, and the tax savings alone would pay for many new church buildings! Instead, all we hear is tales of someone who knew someone whose aunt met a woman who worked with someone who lived next door to a man who prayed to a saint and was “cured of cancer”. I’ve heard it all a million times; and Christians would go into raptures because “God” answered their prayers and helped them find their keys, or sent someone along in their car just when they needed a lift home with their heavy shopping. Please – don’t insult our intelligence. This all-knowing, all-powerful “Maker of the Universe” is spectacularly invisible when real tragedies occur, like famines, earthquakes, hurricanes, and so on, as everyone knows, and they have no answer to that fact whatsoever. My breath is not bated, as I know that this troll doesn’t have the answers either!
    https://skepticalteacher.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/tim-tebow-god-starving-kids.jpg?w=750&h=563

  • Tim

    Well we can agree on one thing this is waist of time. I don’t need to curse you to communicate but you do have some great skills of belittling others to get your point across. The bible clearly says the fool has said in his heart there is no God. Men are with out excuse from the creation of the world as well as their own conscience. All the ill’s of religion is not representative of Jesus Christ including the pedifile priest of RC. So my last post “God is not mocked for what so ever a man will sow that he shall reap. He that sows to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption. Galatians 6:7