UK Muslims demand removal of 'hateful' messiah billboards

UK Muslims demand removal of 'hateful' messiah billboards February 22, 2018

UK Muslims have reportedly launched a ‘coordinated campaign’ to have ‘offensive’ Ahmadiyya billboards removed from sites in London, Manchester and Glasgow.
An email template opposing the billboards – seen by Christian Today  – claims that:

The billboard incites hatred, it is deeply offensive and hurtful to millions of British citizens.

The email urges other Muslims to write to the Advertising Standards Authority, the Metropolitan Police and the Charity Commission to demand their removal.
The ASA confirmed that it has received 33 complaints so far about the adverts. A spokesman said people have claimed the billboards are:

Misleading because they believe it is not consistent with the teachings of the Koran.

He added:

Due to the perceived misrepresentation of Muslim beliefs, complainants also consider the ad offensive on this basis.

Launched by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, a heavily persecuted minority Muslim sect, the billboards aim to promote the idea, considered heretical by mainstream Islam, that the Messiah promised in the Koran has already come in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
The True Islam campaign said the billboard aims to educate the public on the beliefs of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.
But the campaign has prompted outrage from Christians, Muslims and Jews who all have notions of a “messiah” in their beliefs and find the billboards offensive.
The ASA is assessing the complaints and will make a ruling this week as to whether there are grounds for further investigation.
Enter Archbishop Cranmer, who had this to say in a snarky piece:

This is a time for the ASA to recognise a coordinated campaign of sharia censorship when they see one, and to resist attempts to infringe the fundamental freedom of expression or impinge upon anyone’s freedom of religion; the freedom to proclaim one’s faith in the marketplace and to live in accordance with its precepts.
Ahmadiyya Muslims ought to be perfectly free to declare on billboards that the Messiah has come.

A spokesman for the True Islam Campaign, Farooq Aftab , said it was crucial Ahmadi Muslims were allowed to express their beliefs.

Every individual and group has the right to manifest and profess their faith and to curb this would not only be a breach of basic human rights but contrary to the values of freedom of speech and expression which we cherish in this country.

He added that Ahmadis are one of the oldest and most integrated Islamic community in the UK. and that said the billboards were being targeted in a coordinated campaign by other Muslim sects.

It is not for states, authorities or organisations to interfere in religious matters. There needs to be a clear separation of State and Church so to speak, otherwise we will go down a very slippery slope with groups or people trying to monopolise religion. No one can determine someone’s faith.
This is a matter between God and the individual and the hallmark of a pluralistic and democratic society.

Ahmadis believe that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, a 19th century Indian cleric, is the second coming of Jesus and subservient to the prophet Mohammed.
Ahmadiyya Muslims are shunned by other Islamic groups. Some claim he could not possibly be “a true prophet” because he died in a toilet in 1908, a claim vehemently denied by the Amadis.
In Pakistan a law was passed in 1978 that meant Ahmadis could not describe themselves as Muslims.
This has allowed hardline clerics to preach against Ahmadis who they consider a dangerous cult.
Such is the extent of persecution, the Ahmadi leader, or Caliph, had to flee Pakistan and move his main base to London in 1984.
For the last three decades, the UK capital has been the home of the global Ahmadiyya community.
Thousands have now fled to the UK after the first Ahmadi mosque was built in London in 1926 and there are now more than 30,000 Ahmadiyya in Britain.

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  • AgentCormac

    ‘No one can determine someone’s faith.’
    In that case, you won’t mind if every religious school in the country is shut down tomorrow?

  • Broga

    So large amounts of time and money will be spent by earnest people trying to decide what to do about this nonsense. I don’t suppose an atheist will be included in the discussions.
    Barry Duke or Richard Dawkins could liven things up and help produce sensible conclusions. No chance. Reality and rationality must be kept at bay.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    Shias says Sunnis are not Muslims, Sunnis say Ahmadis are not Muslims, Wahabis say they are the real Muslims. All these sects should nominate one bearded, skull cap wearing priest and ask them to fight against each other, Mixed Martial Arts (MMA)style. The event should be telecast live across the world on TV. The winning priest of the sect should be declared as Mo-ham-head’s favorite son and all Muslims should start following his sect, problem solved.

  • when is the armadis quran 2.0 going to come out?

  • John the Drunkard

    How much ‘tolerance’ would the Ahmadis give to the rest of the Islamic world if they had the whip hand?
    All ‘religious expression,’ if it dares to have any content at all, is blasphemous to some other religious group.

  • L.Long

    One group of fairy tale peddlers does not like what another group of fairy tale peddlers are saying….hey! Dimwits you’re ALL WRONG!!! shut up and deal with your bigotry quietly!!

  • Henri

    Oh Fuck … more public time effort money energy wasted on fucking spoilt brat loudmouthed bigots of allah. Piss be upon him.

  • Broga

    Henri: They revel in the attention. They think that it confirms their importance.

  • AgentCormac

    @ Broga
    And if protesting doesn’t get enough attention, then go and murder a perfectly innocent man for having the temerity to hold a slightly different religious perspective than your own.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/09/tanveer-ahmed-jailed-for-murder-glasgow-shopkeeper-in-sectarian-attack

  • RussellW

    Will Muslims ever understand that they’re not the ruling class and that Islam is just another superstition?

  • Broga

    AgentCormac: ” murder a perfectly innocent man for having the temerity to hold a slightly different religious perspective than your own.”
    “it is to put a very high value on your surmises to roast a man alive for them.” Michel de Montaigne,28.2.1533 – 13.9.1592.
    Religion still kills.

  • Brian Jordan

    Two problems here. Firstly, no “holy” book is still in copyright (maybe excepting Scientology etc.) so people can edit them – let alone interpret them – as they like.
    More importantly, to prove that one interpretation is in error it would be necessary to prove that another is infallible.

  • 1859

    All the different messiahs should compete in a game of- let’s say chess – and whoever wins gets all of earth’s followers. Which reminds me, does anyone remember the Python sketch Philosopher Football ?

  • andym

    “International Philosophy!” Greece V Germany. German captain Nobby Hegel, Greek Chopper Aristotle. Nietzsche gets booked for telling the referee he’s got no free will.One of my favourite Python sketches.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl7Zg8P0z3M

  • Gill Kerry

    Oh no. Elvis reputedly died on a toilet, and he was a true prophet!

  • Zubair Khan

    Hi guys what is the problem. Never any messenger of God is accepted by all. Religious history supports this view point. This Messiah is accepted by few while majority staying away. Billboard have only message. Let it prevail. No one is forcing to accept this Messiah. So where is the problem guys?

  • Brummie

    So Mr Khan, one branch of messiah-worshippers has never taken up arms and murdered another branch? In Pakistan, Bosnia, Northern Ireland or even Britain 300 years ago?
    No problem?

  • Zubair Khan

    Brummie
    Its 127 years old. Believes in love for all and hatred for none. Distinct feature of Ahmadiyya what it believes also practices. At least 127 years of its existence supports this point view. If some one has contrary to this claim welcome to present.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    Mr. Khan, although I am an atheist and hate all religions equally including the one in which I was born (Hinduism) yet, your Pisslaam takes the cake. Your Poppet Mo-ham-head was a pedophile, medieval desert warlord. He made Islam expand to whatever parts of the world, through forcible conversions. You Muslims are never at peace with each other. Let me give you examples; Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Lybia, Yemen, Nigeria, Indonesia, Phillipines. You folks fight with each other and also with others. You Muslims desperately settle in West through lying and other unethical means for example- Pakis pretending as Afghans and Syrians. Your pisslaam and Mo-ham-head is a big nuisance. Western govts are sissies to let you stay in their countries, all of you Muslims should be kicked back to the shit-holes where you come from.

  • 1859

    ‘Never any messenger of god is accepted by all’ – does this not rather smack of gross incompetence, to send a truck load of different messiahs to earth, each with a different message, thus causing humans to spit with bigoted fury at one another and begin century after century of sectarian butchery? Does this not,Mr. Khan, raise doubts about the wisdom of your deity? And if your deity’s wisdom is suspect, maybe also is his or her existence too? The historical, real-world evidence of god performing good deeds on this earth is pitifully thin. Dare courageous things Mr.Khan – to think there is a god is to be a baby among those who can think and doubt and face death with a laugh.

  • RussellW

    Gaurav Tyagi,
    I agree with most of your comments. The problem is that we are trapped by our liberal democratic principles, it would be politically impossible to ban Muslim immigration.The most alarming and obvious aspect of Islam is its hostility to democracy. There are no majority Muslim nations that are liberal democracies.
    Muslims remind me of the barbarians who destroyed the Roman Empire. Most of them wanted the higher living standards that Roman civilisation provided, however they had no idea as to how the entire intricate system functioned. They brought their own toxic culture with them which eventually undermined Greco-Roman civilisation.History will repeat itself with Muslims in the West.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    @1859 what an excellent statement;
    “to think there is a god is to be a baby among those who can think and doubt and face death with a laugh”.
    Russell W, a nice and apt example of the Roman Empire. Europe has already been destroyed by these Muslims;
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/05/germany-crisis-cologne-new-years-eve-sex-attacks
    Britain is gone as well;
    Henri pasted the following link, which is a sad but true state of affairs in U.K. British girls and women are easy prey to these Muslim predators:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-43153556
    To hell with political correctness.

  • Zubair Khan

    G Tyagi
    While staying within parameters of topic here displayed bill board is being discussed. It is placed by Ahmadiyya Muslim which is just 127 years old. It has motto love for all hatred for none. Please restrict your views about Ahmadiyya. And if you find something contrary to this claim of Ahmadiyya with in last 127 years bring it. What other Muslims are doing Ahmadiyya can not be held responsible as they did not accept Ahmadiyya Muslim Messiah. Hope you understand this simple point. If tens of millions after having accepted this Messiah can turn to be peaceful and loving Muslims the same will stand true if majority of human kind accepts him. But of course there is no compulsion.

  • Stephen Mynett

    The topic, Khan is the dispute about the billboard, something which will cost the taxpayer a lot of money. While the conflict it is not the fault of the Ahmadiyya for displaying it but the other sects for their pathetic law suit there is no reason why the validity of your brand of god should not be discussed. There is absolutely no reason to discuss only Ahmaddiyya as that is not the subject of the main article.
    Yours is still a religion and that is something that is repugnant to many/most of the regular commenters here. If you wish people to live in peaceful co-existence cut out anything that can cause conflict and as religion is the major source of conflict throughout history it makes sense to get rid of your brand of god as well as all the others.
    Khan, if you feel you must have a group to belong to check out Humanism. Humanists have put forward a lot of good ideas but do so without resorting to mythology and superstition, using reason, logic and education instead. Religion can never be democratic as it imposes a leader, albeit an imaginary one, on people and as such is always dangerous and open to corruption.
    There are Christians who are not completely nasty people on the surface but still are deluded into supporting churches who do a considerable amount of bad. Put simply, be realistic and give up myths and superstition as religion is not and never will provide answers. At best religion is a comfort blanker for the weak-minded at worst a manipulative and violent method of controlling people which is easily open to abuse.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    Z Khan, to me every religion be it Hindu, Muslim, Christanity, Sikh etc. is a cult to fool people. Ahmadiyya Muslim Messiah or any other jackass from some other religion, I do not have any respect for such characters since, they all are fraudsters. This magazine is for Freethinkers, people who possess a higher level of intellect compared to the masses who herd like a sheep after various Gods and Messiahs. It’s your choice if you wish to open your mind or keep it closed. In my opinion every single temple, church, Mosque or whatever place of worship on this planet should be either turned into a bar or a public toilet.

  • Zubair Khan

    G tyagi and S My nett
    Since its a freethinker forum so you are at liberty to suggest anything. Some get enlightened by believing in Living God and in all the messengers God Almighty sent. So let them live their way and you live your way. No one is with close mind. Respect others and get respect from others.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    Respect is commanded not demanded. I do not plan to contest any elections to get ‘popularity votes’ from religious people. There is no God, period so, all the so called messengers of God are imposters. You can go and preach your faith to your fellow Mo-ham-head followers. No religion likes questioning, without questioning a person’s mind is closed.

  • RussellW

    Zubair Khan,
    How does anyone become enlightened by believing in a deity for which there is absolutely no evidence? Believers are following a path away from enlightenment.
    Respecting people’s right to believe is clearly different from respecting their particular superstition.
    Prove that your deity exists and then we can start a discussion.

  • Daz

    “Since its a freethinker forum so you are at liberty to suggest anything.”

    Wrong. Why do so many people seem to (deliberately?) misunderstand the meaning of the word “freethought”? It is not an open invitation to “suggest anything.” It is specifically… Oh hell, let’s just quote Wikipedia, which puts it well enough:

    “… a philosophical viewpoint which holds that positions regarding truth should be formed on the basis of logic, reason, and empiricism, rather than authority, tradition, revelation, or other dogma.”

  • Zubair Khan

    Daz
    Great quote you brought in. Ahmadiyya bill board exactly as you stated. All is based on logic and reasoning. Read it minutely.

  • Daz

    Umm… Whut‽
    Which part of “The messiah has come” was based on logic, reason and/or empiricism?
    I see no way of arriving at such a conclusion via logic or reason, so I must assume you reached it via empiricism; in other words that you have good evidence. Please produce it.

  • Khan Zubair Khalil

    Each human being has two basic needs. Materialistic and spirituality. After having created the Creator is taking care of both needs. These days creation tremendously tilted to material needs. Creator out of his obligations reacted to cater for the spiritual needs. So came the Messiah as claimed by Ahmadiyya.
    Each human being has been given two pulls. One pull attracts towards bad things while the other towards good things. Motto mentioned on bill board love for all and hatred for none attracts every one to do good things. Is not this logical argument?

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    The following article of mine has just been published by an Indian news site;
    https://www.nelive.in/world/opinion/massive-child-sex-abuse-scandal-australia
    Khan, imagine if you were one of these kids or your kid was among these poor children. It’s very easy to preach general vague statements like love all and hate no-one. This world was, is and will remain a jungle, where one has to be constantly on guard because no God comes to rescue people in need.
    You seem to be from Puke-iss-taan. The national sport of your country is Bachabazi (fucking young kids especially boys) Go and love the perverts indulging in such heinous acts.

  • Stephen Mynett

    Khan, please provide proof your god exists as without it all you post is without foundation and meaningless. Instead of twisting words and trying to claim, as Daz pointed out, there is logic and reason on your billboard provide some genuine evidence.
    The freethinkers on here are not hampered by preconceived beliefs for which there is no evidence. You are not asking for free thought but blind faith instead.

  • Zubair Khan

    G Tyagi and S Mynett
    Even having doctorate if you GT unable to understand the philosophy of human beings sufferings no one can help you so enjoy your perceived world.
    And SM even enjoying daylight if you insist no it is night then who can help you. None. Try to inculcate the inner courage to call cat a cat.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    You try to inculcate the courage to accept that the founder of your Pisslam, Mo-ham-head was a child rapist. His last wife was a six year old kid Ayesha.
    Pisslam spread globally through forced conversions. Now, everyone knows that armies in ancient, medieval and even modern times do not bring women with them. The invading armies rape the womenfolk of the conquered lands so, every Muslim of South Asia; India, Pakistan and Bangladesh their foremothers were raped by the invading armies of Mo-ham-head. Is it clear Khan?
    And for the kind information of all the Western readers of The Freethinker, let me tell you folks that Puke-iss-taanis are so proud of their foremothers being raped and forcibly converted to Pisslaam that Puke-iss-taanis consider themselves as Arabs.
    The Arabs of Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc.) on the other hand consider South Asian Muslims as third class converts.
    Khan now say PBUH (Pee and poo be upon him)

  • Khan Zubair Khalil

    GT
    If readers of free thinkers have sound mind and honest heart can judge by themselves who is prejudiced and whose mind is void of rationale thinking. Filthy and dirty language neither paid in past nor will have any in future.

  • Stephen Mynett

    “And SM even enjoying daylight if you insist no it is night then who can help you. None. Try to inculcate the inner courage to call cat a cat.”
    Khan, you moan about some people using bad language but you, as is shown in that quote, are happy to insult us and say we cannot think and rationalise. Now, why not try to do as you have been asked, prove the existence of your particular god.
    Unless you can come back with something rational I will not waste my time replying. You have an arrogant attitude and claim to be right yet provide no proof for your assumption a god exists, I suggest you look up the Dunning Kruger effect.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    Khan calling you a retard would be insulting for the word retard. Are you a new convert to Pisslam and trying to recruit more soldiers for the foot army of Mo-ham-head on this forum?
    Oh yeah, I have hurt your religious sentiments, now go crying to your Mother and file a police complaint against me ? or you can get a fatwa issued against me from your friendly neighborhood paedophile Maulana.
    Truth is bitter Khan face the facts. I just gave you a short refresher course in the history of Pisslaam now go eat some pork chops and drown your sorrows in a bottle of Scotch whisky.

  • Daz

    “Puke-iss-taanis”? “Retards”?
    WTF?
    Khan Zubair Khalil, while I hold the right to question your beliefs, and am still waiting on that evidence we spoke of, I would just like to make plain that such bigotry as displayed above is not—or at least was not the last time I was around these parts, and is I hope still not—representative at all of the usual style of discourse around here.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    This is the only language they understand otherwise, the motto of majority of these South Asian Muslims is “if you cannot convince then confuse”. Khan is just beating around the bush over here instead of talking sense. Such religious fanatics need someone to show them the mirror. Whatever, I have written is based on facts but Muslims like Khan chose to keep their eyes shut.

  • Daz

    Yet oddly, I’m neither convinced nor confused. I asked for evidence, have not been presented with any evidence, and therefore have no reason to believe in the existence of either a messiah or a god. If this was an attempt to confuse me (which I doubt), it has failed miserably.
    And I managed to maintain and convey my sense of non-confusion without resorting to either ablist or racist slurs.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    Political correctness is something, which I am not particularly fond of.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-43153556
    In my opinion every single one of these convicted offenders should have their British Passports cancelled. Their assets confiscated and they be send back to whatever Muslim medieval land they came from after storing their bio-metric details in the system so, they do not enter U.K again after getting a different passport from their corrupt countries.
    I also wrote about this grave issue confronting Europe and U.K last year in one of my write-ups;
    http://themunicheye.com/ Shamelessly-Corrupt-and- Incompetent-Pakistan-3445

  • Daz

    I see. Not referring to people of Pakistani origin (or was it people of south-asian derivation in general?) as “Puke-iss-taanis” is now merely “political correctness.” Uhuh. Gotcha.
    And while I deplore the conduct of sex-traffickers, paedophiles and other such scum, I fail to see what bearing that has on the topic at hand; unless, of course, you’re trying to imply that we should judge all Muslims, or all people of south asian derivation by their behaviour—behaviour which is hardly unique to Islam or to south asian people and cultures.
    Fuckin’ muppet.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    The bearing is that Muslims keep their womenfolk covered in bed sheets from head to toe while, they go out and sexually harass girls and women irrespective of age.
    This is the problem with ‘do not generalize’ even if there is an overwhelming evidence supporting the fact that Muslims are a nuisance in Western Societies. The liberal politicians of West like Merkel have ruined their whole societies by ‘burying their heads in the sand’ but who knows maybe they did it deliberately.
    I know sexual abuse is a global problem but I am focusing on Islam over here to show Khan, the true face of his religion.
    Puke-iss-taan is an term, which I coined for Pakistan. In my opinion, it perfectly describes that nation. I interacted with loads of Pakis during my long stay in The Netherlands so, I know their behavior. You may or may not like it, that’s your choice.
    ‘Fuckin’ muppet’, if you are referring to me by this term then I wish you the same.

  • Khan Zubair Khalil

    After reading couple of recent comments one can easily conclude am confronting bunch of mentally retarded so called educated people who seem to be ignorant of all civic and societal norms. Fully prejudiced about Islam. GT where you currently live am your neighbor for more than 3 decades and relatively better informed what Western Europe is. Compare to Muslim countries India is much ahead in rape cases. Catholic church along with its affiliated charities already crossed all barriers in sexual abuse. Do not understand in which world you live. Sometimes analyse the things with sanity.
    Not only in Niederland rather in 207 countries study Ahmadiyya Islam and analyse its affiliated charity Humanity First Internationsl in 46 countries. Just point an iota of objectionable thing. This what real Islam is and Ahmadiyya Bill Board is inviting the people towards real Islamic teachings.

  • Stephen Mynett

    Khan, you are arrogant and condescending in your attitude towards those who disagree but you very cowardly refuse to try to produce any evidence for the proof of existence of your god.
    I am not prejudiced against Islam, I dislike and distrust all religions.
    GT, you may have written some interesting stuff in the past but now you have gone overboard. The term Puke-iss-taan is racist. Sure the country is a mess and is corrupt but so are many others, including supposedly civilised Western nations.
    To put a blanket hate on all people of one race, religion or sect is pathetic. I suspect you have not fully lost Hinduism and are still infected with old sectarian and racist thoughts.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    Hey you salesman of Islam, just because a Caucasian supported you a bit you are back again.
    You know what, fuck civil and societal norms. They are for normal boring people, not for special VIP’s like me.
    This whole world is in serious mess because of religion and your Islam or Pisslaam has a major role in that.
    Do you know who I am? I am one of India’s most wanted writer. Indian govt. sent Intelligence Bureau at my Parents house in India just because of my writings. I have approximately 50 plus publications on news sites and magazines around the world, where I just state the truth and rub the pseudo intellect of guys like you.
    And why are you pointing fingers at India? Do you think, I care. I am the biggest critic of India out there.
    For your information, I am settled in China, where lesser mortals piss in their pants because of the Chinese government.
    Yet, here I am and you know your “pajamaaistaan’ (I think Daz will be happy with this new term) is the so called ‘all weather friend of China’ and still I have the balls to write this article;
    http://themunicheye.com/ Shamelessly-Corrupt-and- Incompetent-Pakistan-3445
    Chinese hate my guts and Indian govt. has put me on the most wanted list.
    I highly admire atheist revolutionaries like Bhagat Singh and Che Guevara, who inspire me to pursue my writings.
    Flies and mosquitoes like you do not bother me. So, put your Ahmadia Islam up your rear end.
    Do not mess with this devil 🙂

  • Zubair Khan

    GT
    Wise people say you are what others opine about you and not what you consider about yourself. To me you are just a nut. Proclaiming yourself some thing special has no significance for me.
    S My nett
    At least you have sound and analytical mind and also the courage to show mirror to GT a self proclaimed world champion in comparative religious studies.
    Existence of God is a complicated topic. Suggest first read the book Existing of God available on line at http://www.alislam.org. Then it can be discussed further

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    And to me you are just one out of billions of mo-ham-head followers . You are the one making a jackass of yourself by coming to this forum again and again without any proof of your Messiah or Allah
    And by the way, I have 3 publications on this magazine, where I showed the mirror to Hindu religion. I was born into it because my parents are Hindus. People who have some grey matter up their head will appreciate me for what I am.
    As for zombies like you, I don’t give a damn so go now and raise your ass for the 5th time in a day for your Mo-ham-head to put his cock up your rear end

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    To Stephen, I pee on Hinduism and yeah the term is racist so what. I was in London for a week in 2011 and the kind of conversations, I heard in the bars about races was far more stronger than my language over here. Don’t know why certain people are behaving like coy virgins over here inspite of being Freethinkers
    A Freethinker doesn’t care about the opinion of others about him. Elephants walk and dogs bark

  • Daz

    “just because a Caucasian supported you a bit…”

    And here was me thinking the important part was that I’m a non-Muslim. That race rather than religion is your go-to identifier speaks volumes as to your true priorities.
    Zip up, old chap. Your bigotry is hangin’ out for all to see. An’ frankly, old bean, it’s a fuckin’ ugly, warty, dirty-looking thing. Does you no favours.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    Race and religions are all a matter of chance not choice, you are the one who started abusing me here.You shut up, instead of advising me what to do. I ain’t looking for no favors either. Racism, bigotry am I on a Freethinker website or the website of BBC.
    My true priorities are to show a mirror to the society seems characters like you wish to play both the sides that’s why you are arguing with me.

  • Zubair Khan

    For existence of God reading already suggested. Proof of Messiah. He raised the claim from a tiny and remote village of India known as Qadian. During his period many other claimants also came in. Rather still coming. However no one survived. This Messiah is still there represented by his successors with presence in more than 207 countries with tens of millions of followers. Why any Hindu Christian’ Jewish or Muslim state never silenced this voice. All other claimants were silenced. Each day this Messiah is progressing all over the globe. Give me any example if any imposter survived 127 years and made so much followers. But this proof is not going to work on special VIP like you as you seem to be empty on your top.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    ‘An’ frankly, old bean, it’s a fuckin’ ugly, warty, dirty-looking thing’.
    Age is just a number, physical age does not reflect the mental maturity of an individual. I am not a old bean, seems you are one that’s why you are indulging in a pointless argument with me.
    No one chooses the race or religion he/she is born into, after which it takes loads of courage to rebel against the religion, one is born into and become an atheist.
    The fact that you are arguing with a fellow atheist shows the lack of mental maturity in you.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    Hey you Muslim moron, you don’t even have hair on your head, as I can see from your ugly dp so, you are the one who is empty on the top. I have adequate hair on my head plus a thinking mind.
    “This Messiah is still there represented by his successors with presence in more than 207 countries with tens of millions of followers. Why any Hindu Christian’ Jewish or Muslim state never silenced this voice. All other claimants were silenced. Each day this Messiah is progressing all over the globe”.
    Because politicians launder their black money through so called fraud messiahs like you mentioned in the above statement of yours. That’s why they get enough media space so, they can fool idiots like you and politicians can get mass votes of supporters of these imposters.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    To Barry Duke hey Barry just let me know when this comment chain of conversations breaks the all time record of The Freethinker as regard the largest no. of comments on a single article. I think we must be quite close to the record now, hahahaha.

  • Gaurav Tyagi

    By the way, I am off to the bar to enjoy a few beers so, keep posting your comments, would reply back with no holds barred after a few hours
    By the way, any sports fans out here. Great game by the Scots yesterday to beat England in the 6 nations Rugby and just now New Zealand prevailed over England in a thrilling ODI

  • Daz

    “The fact that you are arguing with a fellow atheist shows the lack of mental maturity in you.”

    You haven’t spent much time around atheists, have you? Nor, it would appear, have you paid much attention to logic or reason.
    The fact that we both agree on one thing—that there is no god (something I worked out by the time I was six)—does not imply that we would agree on another thing; for instance, whether race is a useful or desirable way in which to categorise people. There is no logical reason to assume that agreement on the former topic will lead to agreement on the latter; merely your own warped sense of in-group/out-group tribalism.
    And while I may disagree with Zubair Khan about many things, he, unlike you, has not espoused the dangerous and unreasoned hatred and bigotry which you appear to proudly hold up as a banner.

  • Daz

    Zubair Khan says:

    “Give me any example if any imposter survived 127 years and made so much followers.”

    Jesus Christ and Joseph Smith. That L Ron Hubbard chappy seems to be holding up pretty well so far, too.
    Still waiting on anything which looks like actual evidence.

  • Stephen Mynett

    Khan, ditto to Daz’s post. I had a brief look at the site you linked but it is too much reading for a busy person, especially when we have heard all the arguments before.
    Perhaps you could give an example, with proper evidence to show your god exists.
    GT, ditto to Daz’s other post, he is saving me a lot of typing. Bigotry and racism may be acceptable to you, they are not to me and the majority of the posters here.

  • Khan Zubair Khalil

    Incorrect example. Jesus Christ was true messenger of God so he is still surviving and likely to continue till the day of judgement. His followers practicing true teachings are successful people as claimed by Quran.

  • Daz

    “Jesus Christ was true messenger of God…”

    Since you have yet to produce good evidence in support of the existence of this “God” person, your claim that Jesus was his messenger is merely piling one unsubstantiated claim on top of another.

    “…so he is still surviving and likely to continue till the day of judgement.”

    Judgement by who?

  • Broga

    Daz: We need the evidence. A good question is “What do you mean by God?”

  • Khan Zubair Khalil

    Daz and Broga
    If you have read my previou mail I referred a convincing book about existence of God available on http://www.alislam.org. Unless you read it there will be no fruitful discussion about God.
    I agree every one ( not you ) presenting concept of God and faith in Him. Then question arises whose concept of God is correct. Here a step further is taken. Any observeable sign or miracle authenticating existence of God should get attention. So the Ahmadiyya Islam presents the concept of living God and His existence can be proven through observeable evidences.
    So first resolve the issue of God then you can understand about His messengers.

  • Broga

    Khan Zubair Khalil : “Any observeable sign or miracle authenticating existence of God should get attention.”
    Really? Does that include bread and wine turning into flesh and blood thousands of times? Stone Virgin Mary’s weeping real tears. Prayers being answered by mediocrities the Pope decides to turn into saints. Images of Jesus on pieces of toast and dogs’ arses. A man walking on water. Other examples welcome.
    I wouldn’t have time to do anything useful like sawing my logs which are stacking up.

  • Stephen Mynett

    There is no evidence Jesus existed, only stories about a character called Jesus in the Bible, a book full of contradictions.