'Fascism in the flesh': Trump's state dinner for evangelicals

'Fascism in the flesh': Trump's state dinner for evangelicals August 29, 2018

Reacting to a warning sounded by President Trump that that there will be ‘violence’ if the Democrats win in November, congressman Bill Pascrell Jr said on Twitter yesterday ‘this is fascism in the flesh’.
The Democrat who represents the 9th District of New Jersey in the US of Representatives, added:

This is the language of a fanatic that could be lifted from a tyrant’s playbook. This is not a warning but an incitement. Unless we stand united against it.

Trump was addressing a room full of fanatics when he hosted a “state dinner” in the White House for around 100 evangelical leaders on Monday night. According to Tim Teeman, writing for The Daily Beast, it was:

It was an evening that featured a room full of LGBT prejudice and hatred.

But it was far worse than that.
Trump warned the assembled bigots – he described then as “a nice group” – that the Democrats:

Will overturn everything that we’ve done and they’ll do it quickly and violently …  When you look at Antifa and you look at some of these groups – these are violent people.

Trump, referring to the upcoming mid-term elections, added:

The level of hatred, the level of anger is unbelievable. Part of it is because of some of the things I’ve done for you and for me and for my family, but I’ve done them … This November 6 election is very much a referendum on not only me, it’s a referendum on your religion, it’s a referendum on free speech and the First Amendment.

An official White House report quotes Trump as saying:

We’re here this evening to celebrate America’s heritage of faith, family, and freedom. As you know, in recent years, the government tried to undermine religious freedom.  But the attacks on communities of faith are over. We’ve ended it. We’ve ended it. (Applause.) Unlike some before us, we are protecting your religious liberty.
In the last 18 months alone, we have stopped the Johnson Amendment from interfering with your First Amendment rights. (Applause.) A big deal.  It’s a big deal.
We’ve taken action to defend the religious conscience of doctors, nurses, teachers, students, preachers, faith groups, and religious employers.
We sent the entire executive branch guidance on protecting religious liberty. Big deal. Brought the Faith and Opportunity Initiative to the White House.

He added:

Every day, we’re standing for religious believers, because we know that faith and family, not government and bureaucracy, are the center of American life. (Applause.) And we know that freedom is a gift from our Creator.
Here in the State Dining Room, carved into this fireplace, is the famous prayer of John Adams.  It says, ‘I pray Heaven to bestow the best of Blessings on this House.’ 

Trump failed to complete Adams’ quote, which, in full, reads:

I Pray Heaven To Bestow The Best Of Blessings On This House And All that shall hereafter Inhabit it. May none but Honest and Wise Men ever rule under This Roof.

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  • Stephen Mynett

    I wonder what has happened to all those loveable people who used to post here saying that Trump’s presidency would be a good laugh.

  • barriejohn
  • Broga

    He knows he is right. The reasonable and fair people still think they can debate the issue.

  • L.Long

    I will be voting and doing so as a democrat just cuz HE hates them and the greens are not really worth the effort.
    ALL the democrats put together have not produced the incompetence, hate, and crap the orange trumpkin has initiated just this year!! The rePUKEians have proved their st00pidity, hate, & bigotry time and again since reagan!!! Started his st00pidity of ‘pissing on the poor’ economics!

  • John the Drunkard

    But the pseudo-progressive hipster asshole faction in the U.S. will STILL insist that there’s ‘no difference’ between the major parties. They will, once again, either not vote, or bang on their highchairs to vote for pointless 3rd Party wankers.
    ‘Trump, noch Uns’

  • barriejohn

    John the Drunkard: Ralph Nader stupidly campaigned in “swing states” in 2000, and handed the election to George W Bush. I bet his supporters felt really pleased with themselves that they had kept such a reactionary figure as Al Gore out of the White House! They don’t seem to understand their own electoral system.

  • barriejohn
  • AgentCormac

    I hope with every atom in my being that Trump gets a fucking good hammering in November. The man is an absolute disgrace.

  • L.Long

    I hope so as well AgentCormac, but I never underestimate the depth, breath, or power of human st00pidity!!!

  • Broga

    L.Long: I think Einstein, as usual, was there first:
    “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Attributed to Albert Einstein in Robert Byrne,

  • StephenJP

    What worries me, unless I’ve missed something, is that the Dems don’t really seem to have either a Plan B or a standout challenger to Trump. An analysis on the Beeb this evening suggested that they, like the Reps, are being drawn further towards their extremes. I don’t know if this is correct or not, but if true, it is worrying, just as it is in the UK. As a wet centrist social liberal myself, I am finding increasingly that no party really reflects my views at all.
    Perhaps I’m just getting old!

  • barriejohn

    Here’s a novel idea, though I don’t see it happening myself; but who’d have thought a short while ago that anyone would ever be talking this way?

  • RussellW

    Americans used to regularly lecture the rest of the planet on human rights and democracy. I pointed out that the US wasn’t founded as a democracy but as a slave-owning oligarchic republic and that they should really shut up. Trump’s only useful achievement so far has been to demonstrate how fragile US ‘democracy’ really is and the resilience of the Puritan legacy of theocracy.

  • tonye

    I feel exactly the same about the political parties in the UK. At a time where we need strong leadership we have May, who couldn’t make a decision if her life depended upon it. However the other party leaders are equally fucking useless.

  • AgentCormac

    @StephenJP & tonye
    Yep, me too. The Tories are horrific, and even if (and it would seem to be a big if) we get a Brexit deal they’ll still spend far more time squabbling among themselves like spoiled prep-school children than actually governing the country. And as for Corbyn, could anyone make a worse job of leading the opposition, just when we desperately need someone who will offer up well-thought-through alternative policies and hold the government accountable for their ineptitude? David Miliband, where are you?

  • 1859

    Not sure if this is ‘fascism in the flesh’ – it feels more like mob rule by the religious. To be sure the orange buffoon has made bigotry and intolerance socially and politically respectable, but it is not an outright dictatorship of religious oligarchs – not yet anyway. As for Corbyn, I too despair at his cotton wool approach to the Tories. Any decent leader of the opposition should have torn the Tories apart by now.

  • Broga

    Corbyn: total bloody disaster and I speak with feeling. In my youth I was a departmental shop steward and we really did have the highest hopes for Labour. When Harold Wilson was elected a friend said, “At last, it’s Labour and we have our own Prime Minister.”
    Its has been downhill all the way. Give them a sniff of privilege, allow them a bit of royal patronage, offer them a crap award (a former hard Labour man almost wet himself when he was given an MBE), and the are there for the buying with worthless awards. There were some exceptions. A few even spoke out in the Commons. Dennis Skinner the best and there are lots of examples to prove it.
    But Corbyn attracts the left wing dross like a dead dog attracts fleas.

  • Cnocspeireag

    A dead dog attracts flies not fleas but you are right in everything else.

  • Brian Jordan

    Maybe it’s the electoral system that’s the problem. both in the USA and here. Once left-right was fairly straightforward: them and us, from whichever side it was seen. Now, people are more likely to agree with party A on one subject, party B on another.
    In both countries, minor parties don’t get a look-in and so voters get disillusioned.
    Solution? I wish I knew.

  • barriejohn

    Brian Jordan: I live in a True Blue area, but always vote LibDem to make my point, and don’t consider it a “wasted vote” as I want people to know that we exist. However, if there was a chance of unseating the incumbent, I would definitely vote for whoever was going to achieve that unless there were good reasons not to. You have to use some common sense!

  • Broga

    barriejohn : same here and he always got in with a landslide. However, after being in the media with a bit of hanky panky, not clear what, with a young woman and having to pay some money back after raking in cash from a housing scam he got in with a slim majority.
    You wonder what they have to do to get kicked out. He pushed his “support the family” credentials. The explanation I was offered was that with anyone less feckless than Corbyn our MP would not have stood a chance. And when you hear about the anti Jewish comments, and so much else, from his inner clique I could see their point. With Labour Corbyn has no chance even against the current Tory disaster. We voted Lib Dem.

  • AgentCormac

    Sadly I live in a similar constituency. Our current MP is one of Lord Snooty’s bunch of sycophantic bootlickers and has consistently voted against laws to promote equality and human rights; has consistently voted against allowing terminally ill people to be given assistance to end their life; has almost always voted against the right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK; and has consistently voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits and against measures to prevent climate change. You get the picture.
    Ours had been a pretty safe Lib-Dem seat, but a combination of the disastrous Clegg coalition and our sitting MP retiring meant the Tory candidate got in at the 2015 election. Interestingly, at last year’s general election she increased her majority significantly because so many people switched to Labour, thereby splitting the non-Tory vote. So voting tactically is all well and good as long as everybody agrees on which opposition candidate to choose.

  • barriejohn

    A lot depends upon the circumstances. I don’t support Corbyn, but I would vote for a local Labour candidate if he were acceptable. I obviously couldn’t support a UKIP candidate (they came second here in 2015 with almost 8,000 votes, but didn’t field a candidate in 2017) who was capable of unseating our member (Sir Desmond Swayne). Incidentally, his majority just seems to increase with each election: just over 25,000 votes in 1997 (LibDem nearly 14,000), and over 33,000 last time (Labour closest with nearly 10,000 and LibDems on less than 5,000 after polling just 3,293 in 2015!).
    BTW Another one bites the dust:

  • Broga

    Just heard that Frank Field has resigned from the Parliamentary Labour Party. When someone of Frank Field’s calibre and reputation resigns and mentions Corbyn “eroding the Party and the attitude in Labour to anti Semitism” then Corbyn and his bully boys must be finished.
    Labour Party isn’t a Party that represents the people. It is a sick, power hunting Cult that is able to manipulate a weak, and useless leader to meet their own bigoted views. The Tories must hope that Corbyn stays in power. He is an asset beyond price.

  • barriejohn

    Broga: Frank Field lost a confidence vote in his constituency party last month, so I guess he faces deselection now anyway. That tells you all you need to know about Labour and Momentum. Remember Militant Tendency? History repeats itself. As you say, Corbyn makes May look statesmanlike!

  • StephenJP

    Some interesting and familiar comments above! I live in a true-blue Tory seat, which has usually, however, managed to find a reasonably moderate and intelligent candidate for its MP. Like some of the rest of you, I have tended to vote Lib Dem in recent years; but Farron and Cable between them have made me wonder what the dickens I am doing. It has certainly come to something to make me seriously consider voting for the Tories to register a point against the utter disaster that Corbyn would bring about.
    But when it comes to it I expect our (excellent) LD candidate will get my vote as usual!

  • andym

    “Remember Militant Tendency? History repeats itself. As you say, Corbyn makes May look statesmanlike!”
    With ,by some accounts, some of the original actors.
    I’m exactly the same re voting. I’ve now vowed to vote in every election, if only for the party that frightens me the least-at the moment that’s the Lib Dems. But I also have a right wing Tory MP of an especially sinister hue-friendly with Iran, Saudi, Russia and the Polish government,and with some dodgy business connections- so I’d consider voting Labour if they had the best chance to upset him.

  • Broga

    barriejohn : I met Frank Field a couple of times and listened to a talk he gave and I was impressed. It is a long time ago but I remember, not very accurately, him defending/excusing a disabled man setting an officials car on fire.
    I think my comments may have influenced my daughter who was then working in her holidays in a DHSS office. One job was directing letters to people to deal with them. She was appalled at the comments of people about disabled, women abandoned and beaten by their spouses and living in poverty. These letters wanted any benefit refused or stopped. She selected the worst and dropped them behind a row of filing cabinets.
    I see that the RC Church, after taking 9 months to reply to an Australian five years Inquiry, has responded to the recommendation that priests must report child abuse they heard about in the confessional.
    The answer (I paraphrase but this is the meaning): “Bollocks to that. We will have no priests left or a supply of child victims. So kindly fuck off and don’t ask us again.” Some of the descriptions from victims were described as horrific.
    The answer lies with the RCs. Avoid these predators.

  • AgentCormac

    Frank Field was also one of a handful of Labour MPs who defied the Labour whip and voted in line with Rees-Mogg and his chums against the Brexit Trade Bill. Had they voted the other way we may now be facing a new general election.
    On which note, it’ll be interesting to see what happens at the upcoming Labour Party conference, as it looks like the unions might actually force a change in policy to back a second referendum on Brexit. It would be an interesting move because should they be able to force a general election they would then have a legitimate mandate to call a new referendum. If they adopt that policy I for one would definitely vote Labour at the next election for that reason alone.

  • barriejohn

    AgentCormac: Ironically, Frank Field also nominated Jeremy Corbyn as leader to open up debate in the party. They didn’t expect him to win!
    A Labour Party spokesman has thanked Mr Field for his service to Labour, but the veteran MP told the BBC he had been thanked “as if I was resigning from a whist club”, noting he had been in the party longer than leader Jeremy Corbyn.

  • Atheistdude

    I still don’t know how this asshole in the White House gets away with it. ANY other president who talked this way…
    Oligarchic Fascist Theocracy ahead!