Godless Danes are to about get their ears filled with ‘Christian culture’

Godless Danes are to about get their ears filled with ‘Christian culture’ October 13, 2018

Eighty percent of Danes say religion is not important to them, yet their government – in a perverse move – has decided that public broadcaster Danish Radio must start emphasising the ‘foundational role of Christianity in Danish society.’

Has the government gone mad, wanting to ape – or even surpass –the torrents of religious programming pumped out by the BBC?

The notion that Danes need more Christianity, according to this report, has oozed out of the Danish Ministry of Culture. It recently issued Danish Radio its official government contract for 2018-2023, which contains new guidelines. These include proposals such as:

Danish Radio “must strengthen its offer regarding cultural, democratic and historical values in Danish society, including a clear dissemination of Danish culture and the Danish cultural heritage. It must be clear in DR’s programmes and platforms that our society is based on people’s rule and rooted in Christianity.

Reporting on the Danish development, Dr Campbell Campbell-Jack, a retired Scottish Presbyterian minister, said the new contract has also conspicuously dropped the previous contract’s emphasis on multicultural “integration”, a decision which has angered Left-wing Danes such as the Socialist People’s Party.

Responsible for this change of emphasis from “integration” to “Christian heritage” was the conservative populist Danish People’s Party, (Dansk Folkeparti, DF), the second-most popular party in the country. The DF have been remarkably successful in shaping public policy.

Their spokesman Mortin Marinus (above) told Politiken, ‘This is a tightening-up we have had put in relative to the previous wording, which only obliged DR to particularly recognise Christian cultural legacy. We felt that was too weak. That’s why we demanded this specification, which makes it clear that DR must present Christian cultural heritage to a greater degree …”

Campbell-Jack is clearly delighted with this retreat from “radical secularism, globalism and feminism” which have characterised Nordic countries:

Religion, of any kind, is not merely a personal and private conviction, it has immense cultural significance. Culture inevitably arises from an ultimate ideal; without that ideal there is no coherence and the culture will cease to exist. In Europe that ultimate cultural foundation is Christianity.

Muslims can worship as they wish in Denmark, and practise their traditions as they wish, with few exceptions such as FGM. They must do so, however, as Danish citizens. To be Danish citizens they must understand and respect the identifiers which make up Danish culture. To do this they must get to grips with and appreciate, without necessarily accepting personally, that those identifiers are Christian.

At the heart of this, as elsewhere throughout Europe, is Christianity. This is happening elsewhere in Europe, particularly in the ex-Soviet countries. People are realising that multicultural globalism has the deliberate effect of erasing nations. The fightback begins, not with politics alone, but with the recovery of the culture.

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  • Michael Neville

    So the DF, which I assume most Danish Christians belong to, are pushing to have one narrow and increasingly irrelevant part of “Danish culture” emphasized over the current cultural makeup of Denmark. This is known as “fighting a rearguard action” and generally means they’re losing.

  • DingoJack

    Great — based on the UK model it should drive Christianity’s relevancy to zero in no time flat! Especially in that crucial 10-26 year old demographic.

  • Broga

    They have to impose by force. They will not accept debate. The BBC bans secular comment on a daily programme and will not allow a debate between a Christian and an atheist.

  • Jennny

    I’m intrigued by your comment, I listen to BBC R4 a lot every day and have done so for 50yrs. What exactly is the citation for your words? I’m just genuinely puzzled. Thought for the Day – a whole 3minutes of religion at 750am caused much consternation when it began to have speakers from other religions other than mainstream x-tian ones. (And as an aside, I find their little homilies as trite and meaningless as the former x-tian only ones) I thought humanists were going to be included as speakers for this spot too.

  • Broga

    There was a recent opinion poll quoted in The Freethinker which revealed that only 1 in 5 listeners wanted TFTD in its present form. The BBC, in response to the National Secular Society, and individuals, (including me) refused without discussion to permit any non religious contributions. That, of course, excludes some of the scientists and philosophers who could open up ideas beyond the current banalities. At least the BBC should be accurate and call it Religious TFTD. I can see the problem for them as the 1 in 5 would be further reduced. The non religious pay our license fee. We already have 26 unelected bishops in the House of Lords – sign in and get £300 a time while representing a Neolithic imaginary God and a bible which is loaded with contradictions, cruelties, absurdities.

    The Queen, unelected and head of the C. of E. I should say that I have stopped listening to TFTD. A trite homily with Jesus tucked into the last sentence and a priesthood apparently infested with paedophiles was too much. Have you tried googling “Bible absurdities” ” Bible contradictions” or” Bible cruelties”. They gave different stories in the synoptic gospels, disagree on the ancestry if Joseph and invent a census which never took place.

    Good luck. Have you read “The God Delusion”?

  • Jennny

    Thanks for the information, I obviously remembered wrongly, I thought there was a move to allow humanists or atheists to speak…yes, I zone out usually at 7.50 and come back in for the weather forecast. As a recently deconverted anglican, the monarch being head of the established church is a bit of a joke to me too. And the bishops being in the Lords. Most clergy I know claim to work very hard, but a few days in London with that amount of honorarium seems a bit of a jolly to me!

  • Agent Cormac

    Actually, christianity isn’t the ‘foundation’ of Denmark’s religious heritage at all . That would be the Norse gods. The most popular of whom was, apparently, Thor – the thunder god. And as such I have a feeling Thor would probably whip Jesus’ ass if it came down to an arm wrestle to settle who we should all follow. During the Viking Age the Danes quite happily plundering christian churches and monasteries all over Europe, including the so-called Holy Island of Lindisfarne, which isn’t a million miles from where I live. Sadly, christianity was introduced to Denmark in 826 and became widespread during the reign of king Canute. So, one bunch of superstitious nonsense being usurped by another. And seemingly that’s how it goes. Ad nauseam.

  • DingoJack

    Harold Blue-Tooth, anyone?!?

  • David Rubin

    If they really want to present their Christian culture, they should include a presentation of how so many of them are leaving their churches. That’s as much of their religious culture as anything else.

  • Cozmo the Magician

    Now imagine the outrage when Sudi Arabia pushes Muslim doctrine. ***crickets***

  • Michael Neville
  • Anne Fenwick

    My guess is that their public broadcaster is about to become as popular as their church.

  • Jim Jones

    Have you tried googling “Bible absurdities” ” Bible contradictions” or” Bible cruelties”. Have you read “The God Delusion”?

    When you run out of those: https://torrents.me/s/Criticism+of+the+Bible+-+Collection/

    Gigabytes ‘R Us

  • Jim Jones

    “Jesus promised to end all wicked people – Odin promised to end all frost giants – I don’t see any frost giants around.”

  • persephone

    I don’t know that most Danish Christians are DF. There seems to be a belief system that they say they’re Christian, but don’t necessarily attend church. They practice the basics, like the Golden Rule.

    I think it’s more accurate to say the DF is probably filled with the types of Christians driving us crazy here in the U.S.

  • persephone

    Watching Babette’s Feast made me feel so sad for the Danes having converted to Christianity. Everything was dull and miserable, from their homes to their clothing to their food. No joy at all.

  • Raging Bee

    Actually, I’ve seen a lot of harsh criticism of Wahabbi Arabia, and other Islamic regimes, pushing Muslim doctrine, both on their own people, and on Muslims elsewhere. I myself have noted the rabid Jew-bashing in some school-books (for ages 8-16, IIRC) pushed by Wahabbi institutions in SA onto Muslim schools in the West.

  • Raging Bee

    What about their Norse culture? That might make their programming at least a tad more interesting…

  • DingoJack

    Sad to say it’s all the fault of Gorm the Old. He began defeating the nearby kinglets to unify the Danes. The project was complete by his Cristian son, Harald Bluetooth creating Denmark. The Jelling stones refer to ‘Denmark’ by name.
    So Denmark was created (at least partially) by Christianity (around 960’s?).

  • Broga

    Jenny: Bishops can call in at the Lords, sign in, enjoy the subsidised lunch, bugger off and they get their cheque at the end of the month. I was told by some religious top dog that, “they are in touch with the entire community via their parishes and represent everyone.” They didn’t represent my family when my mother was terminally ill, doubly incontinent, and begging for the release of death. “

  • Jennny

    I’m sorry. Here is a rather personal confession. My closest relative is chaplain to a bishop, she goes with him to the Lords sometimes. Ardent feminist that she is, I privately think it’s hilarious that one of her duties, that she does without complaint, is to help him to dress in his fancy robes and tie the back for him!!!!!!!!!!!

  • TrickyDick

    “Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”

    Whilst the first part of Seneca’s quotation is no longer true, at least in Western Europe, the last part seems to be gaining popularity particularly with right wing politicians.

  • TrickyDick

    Wasn’t he the patron saint of mobile phone manufacturers?

  • Broga

    Jenny. Congratulations on keeping clear eyed. I know so many Christians who cannot see beyond the robes and the ritual. I have an ultra religious cousin whose mission in life is to convert me to the “truth of god’s word” in the bible. Every word is true. I asked her if the the number killed in a particular battle was accurate. She said that it could not be other as it was God’s word. In the next chapter the same battle had a different number. I asked her which was true as the other must be mistaken. So God made a mistake.
    She immediately said they were both true. If I read them “prayerfully” I would understand and the contradiction would fade “under the grace of God.” That is the kind of “thinking” on which they have to depend. Special rules apply.

    I have good friends who are Christians. One, a vicar, invited me to his first service. I went and enjoyed the choir and the singing. I attend weddings and funerals. My mother had a humanist funeral: the family all spoke for a few minutes, our dog was there as he spent so much time with her when she was dying at home.

  • Broga

    Great idea. I have some Viking blood from Isle of Lewis ancestors. I also have a sailing dingy so I could have a Viking funeral. Then off to Valhalla. Bit of a problem finding someone to shoot fiery arrows. Must work on that.

  • Raging Bee

    Decent funerals are a lost art in the West.

  • Broga

    The undertaker told me that humanist funerals were now 50 per cent of his business. Much cheaper as no church and vicar to hire. Everyone, about ten people spoke who knew he best, and spoke for a few minutes. We chose the music. No hymns and she said if I allowed a priest or vicar she would “come back and haunt me”. She was an atheist and kept her courage and sense of humour till the end.

    Do vicars believe what they preach? They are not fools. The previous Archbishop of Canterbury was an intellectual and an academic. He gave a talk on the radio about T.S. Eliot’s “Four Quartets” and I kept thinking that it was such a waste that he so squandered and ill used his talents.

    Eliot was pathetic, treated his first wife badly. Disastrous honeymoon: She was wanting sex and he didn’t and she was desperately sexually frustrated. What a start to marriage. John Ruskin was the same. After five years of marriage they had not had sex. Mrs R. got a divorce, married Millais, lots of shagging and lots of children. Fairytale ending.

    Good luck with the funeral plans. The sea is a helpful and spectacular addition – or the mountains.

  • Broga

    Agent Cormac: Good to see you back or at least to make contact on the new site. I’m aged and computer hopeless. I haven’t met up barriejohn whose religious knowledge is both extensive and underpinned by the suffering imposed on him by his church.
    Is Lindisfarne that island where the sea flows over the causeway. I went their with my son a long time ago and he insisted that we had plenty of time; we didn’t. The monks wrote the history. But the Vikings wrote the literature. “Njal’s Saga” out Hemingway’s Hemingway in spare prose, simple, declarative sentences and not weakened by adjectives Great translation by Magnus Magnusson.

  • Things could be different with the BoR Jesus, the one of the sword in the mouth. Jokes apart, that looks like the brainchild of conservatives -Muslims will likely know little or nothing of Norse mythology but Christianism will be much more familiar for them-.

    That said, the real reason to be concerned would be them attempting to force down creationist and literalist BS.

  • Broga

    At last. Got Broga back. I thought I was going to have to wait till one of the sprogs arrived. However, another glass of Glenfiddich got me there.

  • P. McCoy

    I saw that film and realized that those believers were in a splinter group far off from the expressed Lutheranism of the majority of Danes.
    It is an unfair statement, like saying that Christianity in the United States was like the Jehovah’s Witnesses which reject Birthdays, holidays like Christmas etc;.

    The film was about sharp contrasts of culture ; we don’t even know if Babette was a practicing Catholic .

  • Agent Cormac

    Hi Broga! Glad to see you’re here too. Barriejohn is also contributing, although I think the move may have unfortunately lost a few of the previous regulars. Lindisfarne is indeed the island with the causeway. There are signs everywhere telling people when they can and cannot cross, but there are still the odd few who decide they know better and have to be rescued!

  • Broga

    Without the old crowd around me I feel endangered like a member of the underground in Nazi Germany. Barry Duke our leader, of course. Chance to expand here and some of our new colleagues are impressive. I like Jenny, for example.
    I don’t know how that picture of my late Labrador appeared with our present car Whinger. Our daughter arrives tomorrow with promises of help for the “aged parent,” That was something for her to do.

  • Snagglefritz Sagenschnitter

    It must be clear in DR’s programmes and platforms that our society is based on people’s rule and rooted in Christianity.
    Eighty percent of Danes say religion is not important to them

    So who will listen?

  • persephone

    That was not the point of my comment. And having gotten out of the JWs, and knowing many others who have left HDOs, I do know the difference.

    It’s simple. The people, whatever sect, however strict, would not have existed without the importation of Christianity into Denmark. The end.