Good news: conversion therapies CAN cure gay people … of religion!

Good news: conversion therapies CAN cure gay people … of religion! December 31, 2018
Photo courtesy of Humanists UK

Teddy Prout, above, Director of Community Services for Humanists UK, claims that faith-based therapies aimed ‘curing’ homosexuality can result in people turning their back on religion.

Speaking here about research currently being conducted into what Christian Concern calls “sexual orientation change efforts”, Prout said:

We have a significant group of ‘apostate’ LGBT members within Humanists UK, many of whom were brought up in religious homes and yet have left their religion because of the way they have been treated and made to feel.  This research will enable their experiences to be heard and understood by the religious groups of which they were once part.

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The Faith & Sexuality 2018 research is being conducted by the Ozanne Foundation in the form of a survey which ends today (December 31). So far almost 5,000 people have responded to the Faith & Sexuality 2018 survey, according to a tweet by Jayne Ozanne, above.

UK citizens over the age of 16 have until midnight tonight to take the survey here.

Ozanne is the Director of the Foundation. As a survivor of gay conversion therapy she and knows first-hand the harm that it can do to mental and physical health:

Like many, I voluntarily chose to put myself through various forms of deliverance ministry and emotional healing in order to try and rid myself of my unwanted sexual desires as I believed them to be sinful.  Sadly, this ended with me being hospitalised twice for severe abdominal pain caused by stress and two nervous breakdowns.  If I had understood the dangers I would never have put myself through such emotional and spiritual abuse.

But Christian Concern simply won’t acknowledge the dangers involved in “sexual orientation change efforts”, claiming that:

There is no good evidence to show that talking therapies that are labelled as ‘conversion therapy’ are dangerous. Far from being pseudo-scientific, there are reputable studies to show they can be effective.

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Two of the “reputable” studies they cite come from extremely disreputable sources: the viciously homophobic Core Issues Trust, led by “ex-gay” Mike Davidson, above, and designated hate group the Family Research Council, which:

Often makes false claims about the LGBT community based on discredited research and junk science. The intention is to denigrate LGBT people …

Speaking to The Sunday Times, Davidson said his organisation was willing to break the law if the UK government  were to ban of efforts to ban faith-based therapies:

We will seek legal advice. If [conversion therapy] does become illegal in the United Kingdom, that does not mean we stop our work … It will continue and it may be outside UK jurisdiction.

Moreover, Christian Concern accuses the survey of being “biased”:

It is being overseen by a multi-faith advisory board, which includes the Rt Rev Dr David Walker, Bishop of Manchester; Rabbi Laura Janner Klausner, Senior Rabbi to Reform Judaism (which aims to create ‘inclusive, egalitarian communities, valuing difference); Teddy Prout, Director of Community Services at Humanists UK; and Khakan Qureshi, founder of Birmingham South Asian LGBT+, who claimed he knew of mosques where people were told to ‘pray away the gay’.

Every member on the board has openly condemned the use of ‘conversion therapy’.

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  • John Grove

    I wonder if they can cure red headed people to?

  • igotbanned999

    That’s easy – hair dye.

  • Sophotroph

    No no no no no, the thread about gray conversion therapy is down the hall!

  • Broga

    Interfering busybodies often trying to deny and repress their own sexuality.

  • John Grove

    Very true

  • John Grove

    Listening to this talk about curing gay people brought to mind the movie with Bill Murray called “Stripes” when being interviewed to enter the Army the recruiter asked him and his friend if they were homosexual.

    I think they said, “No we are not homosexual, but we are willing to learn. Do you think they would send us some place special”

  • epeeist

    Old “joke”:

    1st man: “My mother made me a homosexual.”

    2nd man: “If I sent her the wool do you think she would make me one too?”

  • barriejohn

    Prayer Dye!

  • Barry Duke

    “Homosexual desires are changeable …” Just substitute the word “homosexual’ with ‘heterosexual’ to see how utterly fatuous your comment is.

    More than 50 years ago, caving into pressure from my parents, I submitted myself to treatment by a psychiatrist. The therapy session lasted 30 minutes, at the end of which the shrink said: “You are the most perfectly normal homosexual I have ever met. Now go away and enjoy your life”. Which is precisely what I did.

    I was fortunate. One friend who sought a cure within a Christian organisation committed suicide shortly after, and another, who was underwent shock therapy at the hands of a secular charlatan, became alcoholic and was utterly incapable of engaging in any form of sex, leaving his life in complete ruins.

    The ex-gay movement poses a very real threat to people, and needs to be completely destroyed.

  • Foxglove

    [1]

    The EX homosexual is hated by the secular humanist/LGBT movement . . .

    I don’t know about “hated” here, whether that’s the right word or not. But let it pass, for the sake of argument. Ex-gay people do huge harm to the gay community by spreading lies about them. If they’re hated, it’s because they’ve given people good reason to hate them.

    [2]

    . . . almost as much as they HATE God.

    Same thing. If “God” is hated, it’s because “God” has been used to hurt LGBT people so much. Christian anti-LGBT legislation goes back about 1600 years. Shouldn’t be too hard to understand why some LGBT people have a problem with “God”.

    [3]

    Funny how the secular humanist movement believes in free will . . .

    Not so. Free will is a hotly debated issue, and you will find plenty of secularists/atheists who deny the notion.

    [4]

    . . . when it comes to overcoming drug and alcohol addiction . . .

    And in the specific case of drug addictions, the role and power of free will can also be debated.

    [5]

    . . . which runs rampant in the LGBT so-called “community” . . .

    But of course in the meantime we can take a little dig at the LGBT community. We outlaw them, we erase them, we put them under enormous psychological pressure, so that it’s no surprise that LGBT people have huge problems with drugs/alcohol. But then we mock them for the problem that we’ve created for them. The casual cruelty of the LGBT-hater.

    [6]

    . . . but for some reason they just don’t want to admit that homosexual desires are changeable.

    And here we have the tired old trope of homosexual desires being compared to an addiction–which of course they’re not. The reason that gay people refuse to admit that their desires are changeable is that they’re not in fact changeable.

    [7]

    It’s all about the agenda…

    And finally we top it off with the old trope about some gay agenda. When gay people just want to live their lives as themselves, just like everybody else on this planet would like to do, that’s called “having an agenda”.

    So, count them up: seven errors in two sentences and a sentence fragment. That’s quite an impressive effort. I’ve seen plenty of people trying to be stupid, but not often have I seen someone succeed as splendidly as you have here. Congratulations!

  • Foxglove

    “You are the most perfectly normal homosexual I have ever met. Now go away and enjoy your life”.

    Wow! That is fabulous! Barry, I’d like to give you a big hug. And one for your shrink as well.

  • Barry Duke

    Thank you, Foxglove. Alas, Dr Wolff will be long dead by now. He was in his 60s half-a-century ago, and I was 19 when I consulted him. But kudos to the man who, in less than an hour, imbued in me a lasting sense of self-worth which resulted in me having two wonderful relationships in my life.

    The first lasted 21 years, and ended only because my partner died of cancer aged just 47. I am now in my 21st year of a relationship with a truly great guy, 20 years my junior, to whom I was married last year.

    His father, once deeply homophobic, traveled 600 miles to attend a simple ceremony, and wept with joy when he gave a speech welcoming me into his family.

    Such a shame that there are hellish organisations out there bent on preventing others from enjoying the wonderful life I have had.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    Even if we were the slightest bit inclined to hate them, it would be a redundant waste of effort. EX homosexuals are already the experts in self loathing, a product of internalizing all of that Christian Love, I suppose. And if you were interested in free will, perhaps reconsidering support of offshore gulags for children would be a fair place to start.

  • Foxglove

    Such a shame that there are hellish organisations out there bent on
    preventing others from enjoying the wonderful life I have had.

    This is what makes so mad about the haters. If they’d just leave us alone, we could live our lives and be as happy as anybody else.

    Some of us get lucky. You ran into such a fantastic guy when you were young and very vulnerable. And me, I’m transgender and live in a little town where people don’t care about that sort of thing. Don’t step on their toes and they won’t step on yours. So I get on fine.

    If everybody could learn to mind their own business, it would be a lot happier world.

    Be well and prosper, Barry!

  • Raging Bee

    You’re really far behind on your reading, aren’t you? Actual founders and leaders of “ex-gay” and “reparative therapy” groups have overtly admitted the whole thing was a scam. And they’ve been admitting this since day one, whenever they caution their “graduates” against exposing themselves to people and events that might re-trigger their same-sex desires all over again.

  • Illithid

    Yup, the gay agenda. To live peaceful lives with who we love, to participate in our societies as full citizens with equal legal rights, like not being fired or denied public services due to our sexuality… Oh, the horror!

    And how surprising is it that people who get called sick and evil and perverted their entire lives, often rejected by their families and friends, have a higher instance of addiction? I almost killed myself at 17, and the only thing that made me stop was anger: the refusal to be beaten by people who hated me. And I was lucky, my parents were supportive. Lots of kids in homeless shelters and graves can’t say the same.

  • Illithid

    How have I expressed hatred?

    I’m bisexual myself. If I loathed myself for being attracted to men, I suppose I could convince myself that I was straight. That’s what I think these “ex-homosexuals” are doing. And I accept that orientation can change over time, I just think the effort to force a change is futile and harmful.

  • Barry Duke

    Your knowledge of human sexuality is frankly deplorable. You suggest that people can change their orientation on a whim, which is beyond ridiculous. The only choices gay people have are to suppress their homosexuality, and live an unnatural life of celibacy, or simply accept that being gay is what nature intended them to be, and get on with it, as I did.

    The legions of “ex-gays” you keep banging on about don’t exist. They are the ones who are living a lie by pretending to be what they are not. I don’t hate them for it, just pity them. And if they choose to enter sham marriages, I pity their spouses even more.

    Just case one in question: Douglas Mainwaring, a Christian writer who obsessively trashes in gays in many of the articles he bashes out. Yet he is a gay man who chose to marry a woman … and the marriage ended in divorce. https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/03/9432/

    By the way, I find your reference in another post to my “shrink” as a “quack” extremely offensive. He was way ahead of his time in acknowledging the normality of my homosexuality. Today, no reputable counsellor or psychiatrist or psychologist would do anything but help anguished gay people to come to terms with their sexual orientation.

    Finally, if, as you suggest, sexual orientation is a “choice”, at what point in your life did you “choose” to be heterosexual – that is, if you’re heterosexual?

  • Nemo

    Ex gay events are lucky to draw a few dozen. Gay events draw hundreds or thousands, depending on the location. If the use of divine spellcasting could erase same sex attraction, the gay rights movement never would have gained traction outside of a handful of Los Angeles neighborhoods. And what’s with the use of air quotes around the LGBT “community”? Yeah, people who aren’t straight have a lot of ideological and social diversity amongst themselves. Same for the Christian so called “community”.

  • barriejohn
  • barriejohn

    You’re a bit behind the times over Alan Chambers. actually:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Chambers_(activist)

  • Raging Bee

    Being married to a woman doesn’t prove you’re not gay. There’s PLENTY of gay men throughout history who’ve managed that feat, while still being gay.

    Also, read the literature that’s actually been written by all those “ex-gay” groups you speak of: they all admit that people who “successfully” “complete” their “programs” will still have same-sex desires. In other words, they admit they don’t really make anyone straight — they just help them to pretend better to please and convince their bigoted families.

    And the fact that you’re calling the stated experiences of others “Molotov Cocktails” only proves how threatened and defensive you “culture warriors” are about the truth.

  • Raging Bee

    The fact that you keep on confusing sexual orientation with “behavior” and “lifestyle,” only proves you’re a moron, and there’s no reason to take you seriously.

  • Raging Bee

    Secular people want immediate change by the end of their 1st therapy session, and that is NOT going to happen…

    Thank you, you just admitted that none of that “ex-gay” crap gets verifiable results within any stated time-frame. You may go now.

  • Brian

    I’ve said for years that the only thing the church and ex gay therapists exorcised in me, was my faith.

  • Barry Duke

    In all the waffle you’ve posted, you’ve not addressed the question I posed to you: when did you decide to become heterosexual, if that’s what you are? Failure to provide a simple answer to that simple question makes me think that you are trolling this site, and I will bar you from further posts.

  • frobn

    No one hates ex-gays, just their lies.

  • barriejohn

    That’s the second time you’ve made that fucking ridiculous claim. But then it’s very comforting for you, I’m sure, in your cosy little world of make-believe, to cling to such fantasies. We mustn’t let cold, harsh reality undermine the foundations of our faith, must we, or the whole, pathetic edifice might come tumbling down!

  • barriejohn

    Bollocks.

  • Brother TC

    Nah. Here’s the good news:

    “And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God” (1Co 6:11).

  • TheBookOfDavid

    They are motivated not by hatred, so much as love of individual liberty. At least that is what the protest sign in the photo suggests. Why do you hate freedom so much?

  • Raging Bee

    One must remember that unspeakable things happened to these poor people
    as children (sexually and psychological abuse) which brought on their
    homosexual desires.

    Citation required.

  • Raging Bee

    Behavior can be changed, with or without desires changing. This is obvious to anyone who once slept around with multiple partners, and then settle down exclusively with one. You’re still a moron, and you’ve already admitted your “ex-gay” “therapy” crap doesn’t perform as advertized. You have no case.

  • Raging Bee

    Like I said, he’s say behind on his reading. Maybe in another four hundred years he’ll understand what the word “lifestyle” means.

  • Barry Duke

    Sorry, your answer’s not good enough. I too grew up in a happy, loving family and was never abused. My environment allowed me to have normal sexual interests in the SAME sex as I grew older.

    Now please stop with the comments. You’ve already established that you have a VERY unhealthy obsession homosexuality, and you have demonstrated monumental ignorance about human sexuality. Please go away and troll some other site.

  • The Holy Spirit is a useless mythological git, cut from the same invisible cloth as “Satan” and your petty little hissy-fit god. Barry had the good fortune to find a compassionate and reasonable professional who understood the power of acceptance and the uselessness of self-loathing.

    Better to have no therapy at all than to succumb to the self-hate that ChristInsanity actively promotes as a feature rather than as a fatal flaw.

  • Raging Bee

    “Justified” to do what, exactly?

  • Raging Bee

    So you just admitted that gayness is NOT something we can choose. Your entire argument just fell apart.

  • Raging Bee

    Notice how he doesn’t advocate any serious policy toward the sexual abuse of minors, even as he repeatedly claims it’s responsible for the “abomination” of gayness?

  • Brother TC

    Justified against being convicted according to your crimes.

  • Sophotroph

    Yeah, that’s the thing. You are sick in the head. Enough so that you think you can pronounce guilt for non-existent crimes upon people.

    Provide a god first. Your people have had almost 2000 years to do so, and they have failed.

    Do that before you start declaring things from on high. Right now, you have all the credibility of a mugger who won’t take his “gun” out of his jacket because he doesn’t want us to know it’s a Snickers.

  • Raging Bee

    Oh okay. That doesn’t apply to us, or to gay people, since neither we nor they have committed any “crimes.” So it’s just a “get out of accountability free” card for bigots and haters who use their religion to justify whatever crimes they want to commit against whoever they don’t like. Thanks for clearing that up.

  • Raging Bee

    So he’s still gay, and your religious quackery didn’t make him straight. That means your “therapy” failed.

  • Barry Duke

    What does TC stand for? Thick Christian?

  • CoastalMaineBird

    Seek therapy to find out why you have unnatural desires to denigrate others, to envision yourself as superior, and to offer fatuous advice that doesn’t work for problems that people don’t have.

    The thing that clicked for me was to recognize that I never had a “choice” of whom to be attracted to, it just happened. I couldn’t imagine that gay folks were given a choice that was denied to me.

    And even it it was true, so what? It doesn’t bother me. Why does it bother you?

    Sometimes I think the bother comes from genuine dislike for what you imagine someone else does.
    Sometimes I think the bother comes from repressed desires to do what you imagine someone else does.
    Sometimes I think the bother comes from a desire to virtue-signal in front of your religion-mates.
    Sometimes I think the bother comes from the religious desire to make sure no one else is having any fun, either.
    Sometimes I think the bother comes from just plain meanness.
    And sometimes I just don’t know.

    But let it go, or it will eat your insides up.

  • Illithid

    I could have used some therapy thirty years ago, when I was suffering from depression due to the attitudes of my society. Now, however, I’m in a stable relationship with my partner of 26 years, we have a son and good friends and decent jobs, and I’m pretty well-adjusted nowadays.

    I don’t feel the need to insult strangers on the internet, for one thing. Perhaps you might consider some therapy to work through these issues you’re having. Gay people obviously bother you a lot.

  • Brother TC

    I’m getting some intolerant vibes from you, which harshes my mellow.

  • Brother TC

    It ain’t me pronouncing guilt — your God-given conscience already does this (Rom 2:14-15).

  • Brother TC

    Good one.

  • Barry Duke

    Enough pf your crazy religious drooling. You’re banned!

  • Nemo

    Because gay people have never in history been harassed for being open about their views. But seriously, is there statistical evidence that ex homosexuals are out there in multitudes, beyond just a handful of anecdotes? And what is the point of putting “community” in air quotes?

  • CoastalMaineBird

    “[ex-homosexuals] just don’t choose to come out in the spotlight for fear of being harassed”
    I don’t think I’ve EVER heard anyone claim that people are fearful of “coming out” as straight.
    You DO realize that this makes you look ridiculous, right ?

  • NATHAN AMAL

    shut your mouth you backward jeebus freak-your kind is done here

  • Robert Anthony

    Everyone else is being all nice and polite with you, but I’m just going to tell you to go fuck yourself and tend to things that affect your life. Your dogma is unwelcome here.

  • Bob Pattinson

    Wonderful news. Hopefully the UK will outlaw these conversion frauds. If they break the law – lock ’em up! Having an imaginary friend does not put them above the law.

  • Atheisticus

    You fucking moron. He told that he wasn’t abused, nor did he come from a broken home. any homosexual pweople did not come from those kinds of environments, so shut the fuck up about it and go away.

  • Atheisticus

    False equivalence. Homo/Heterosexuality is hard wired. Addiction is a chemical reaction in the brain. Now go away.

  • COMALite J

    Here’s an analogy I like to use on those who say that sexual attraction is a choice:

    What’s your absolute favorite food? You know, the one that you start drooling at even the thought of? A photograph of it makes you feel like you’re starving even if you just stuffed yourself at Thanksgiving dinner and you’ve just gotta have some Right Now? If someone else is eating it in your sight or especially smell and you can’t have any for whatever reason, you feel like you’re in real torment? Yeah. That one.

    Okay, now what’s the food that you most hate? The one whose taste, odor, texture, even visual appearance. all utterly revolt you to the very core of your being? The thought of even a tiny bit of it in your mouth triggers a gag reflex — even a photo of someone else eating it can do that to you? Yeah. That one.

    Got them both in your mind? Okay. Now swap them. By sheer force of will, start hating the food you most loved, and loving the food you most loathed. Actually eat some of the latter and like it. I don’t just mean that you can bring yourself to suppress the gag reflex long enough to force some down your throat while cutting off airflow to your nose to at least block the odor. You have to actually love it every bit as much as you loved the formerly favorite food. Conversely, the previous favorite food must now actually taste horrible to you, at least as bad as the previously most loathed food, so much so that gag reflex is triggered at least as much as the loathed food would’ve before.

    Not so easy, is it?

    Changing tastes is far and away easier than changing sexual attraction. There is at least such a thing as “acquired taste,” and we all know of foods we hated as kids but like as adults (broccoli for me).

  • Bruce Roach

    I love this 🙂 ChristInsanity sums it up perfectly 🙂

  • I don’t think it was my invention; alas, I can’t remember who did come up with it. Someone on the Internet. 😉

  • Bruce Roach

    I’m gonna copy & paste as far as I can 🙂

  • Raging Bee

    Really? My God-given conscience tells me that gays are just people, and are totally undeserving of even a fraction of the ignorant hate and harassment you Christians (and Muslims and Jews and others) have been heaping on them. The only guilt my God-given conscience pronounces, is on hateful idiots like you.