Prominent Vatican official, Cardinal Pell, is found guilty of sex abuse

Prominent Vatican official, Cardinal Pell, is found guilty of sex abuse December 12, 2018
Cardinal George Pell. Image via YouTube.

At the end of a trial believed to have cost him millions, the Vatican’s third most powerful official  – George Pell – was convicted yesterday (Tuesday) in Australia of all charges relating to the abuse of two choir boys in the late 1990s.

A unanimous jury returned its verdict after more than three days of deliberations

His trial was trial conducted under a gag order by the judge that prevented any details of the case being made public.

Pell, the Vatican’s finance chief and the highest Vatican official to ever go on trial for sex abuse, left Rome in June 2017 to stand trial in Melbourne.

As that trial was about to get underway in June, a judge placed a suppression order on all press coverage in Australia. Prosecutors applied for the order and it was granted to:

Prevent a real and substantial risk of prejudice to the proper administration of justice.

That trial, known as “the cathedral trial”, was declared a mistrial earlier this year after a hung jury. A retrial began immediately and ended this week with the unanimous verdict.

Mystery surrounds who is paying Pell’s legal tab, which is likely to run into the millions of dollars.

A source with knowledge of the case said:

It’s highly unlikely his defense is being paid for entirely by supporters or parishioners. His legal bills will be astronomical when it’s all over. If it is the Church, the costs will be very well hidden.

Steven Spaner, Australia coordinator from the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP), said:

The only person who would know for sure is George Pell, who is the treasurer.

Spaner also said he felt frustrated and left “in the dark” following the secrecy surrounding the trial.

It’s hard to know if there are any shenanigans going on – things the church did that are illegal themselves. There is always suspicion when you don’t know what is going on.

Pell now faces a second trial – known as “the swimmers trial”  – which is due to get underway early next year. This relates to allegations that Pell “sexually offended” two two boys in a swimming pool in Ballarat, Victoria in the 1970s.

In a book published last year, journalist Louise Milligan wrote that Pell was accused by two former choir boys of sexual abuse while he was archbishop of Melbourne in the 1990s. The boys sang in the choir at St Patrick’s cathedral and were allegedly abused by Pell in a room in the confines of the church.

Pell rose through the ranks of the church in Australia after being ordained as a priest in 1966 and then as a bishop in 1987. In 1996, Pope John Paul II appointed him archbishop of Melbourne. He was appointed archbishop of Sydney five years later and then tapped by Pope Francis in early 2014 to be Secretariat for the Economy at the Vatican.

The Australian website Broken Rites, which has investigated allegations of sex abuse against the church, published details of a complaint against Pell from an incident alleged to have occurred in the early 1960s. An investigator quoted the account of a boy at a Catholic youth camp who accused Pell, then a trainee priest, of touching his genitals.

Cardinal Pell has always denied the allegations, which were made in 2002 and investigated by retired Victorian Supreme Court judge Alec Southwell. The result of Southwell’s investigation was that the allegations could not be established and they do not form part of the criminal trials.

Meanwhile, Bill Donohue, above, of the Catholic League, has blasted two US newspapers for failing to report that another senior Australian Catholic, Archbishop Philip Wilson, was cleared earlier this month of covering up sexual abuse.

The newspapers he attacked were the New York Times and the Washington Post.

On July 31, 2018, the New York Times ran a 717-word story in the “A” section of the paper on the conviction of Australian Archbishop Philip Wilson; he was found guilty of covering up for sexual abuse by a priest.

On July 31, 2018, the Washington Post ran a 735-word story in the “A” section of the paper on the same subject.

On December 6, 2018, Wilson, the most senior cleric in the world ever to have been found guilty of covering up for sexual abuse, was exonerated. Judge Roy Ellis said that prosecutors failed to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Why didn’t the New York Times and the Washington Post tell their readers that Archbishop Wilson’s conviction was overturned? As a result, many still think he is guilty.
Perhaps you can ask the editors to explain themselves.

I’m now waiting to see what Dononhue has to say about Pell’s conviction.

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  • StevoR

    Whoah! Huge news that we aren’t hearing here in Oz. Suppressed here. Thankyou. YES!

  • StevoR

    Calls for a song and celebration :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtHOmforqxk

  • adhoc

    I hope this pedophile spends the rest of his life cleaning prison toilets.

  • StevoR

    Me too.

  • adhoc

    Great song. If I remember correctly, it was written and recorded in a day. That takes musical talent.

  • Jay Has

    Finally. Exposing the bigwigs is the only way any progress is going to be made in the criminal organization.

  • StevoR

    Yes and also this song so true and spot on & WARNING : So much swearing :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nWXknB5vpI

    So well justified.

  • Broga

    He will probably be handed over the Vatican to spend the rest of his life in a sanctuary where he will spend his time in prayer and repentance. That has been the usual approach where they can get away with it.

  • Michael Marsh

    The Church is not a criminal organization, it’s the people within, you know, like Jesus’ hand picked disciple Judas. Like America, it’s not an evil country, it’s the people within that makes it seem evil.

  • Jay Has

    I suppose the Russian mafia is not a criminal organization, it’s just the people inside of it that make it evil.

  • Zielwolf

    Pell will appeal and another court will exonerate him. It is unthinkable to the upper classes that one of their own, especially one so powerful and high up could be found guilty and have to answer for his crimes. The damage to the institutions of power would be too great, the threat to the social order too much. It won’t be allowed to stand.

  • swbarnes2

    On December 6, 2018, Wilson, the most senior cleric in the world ever to have been found guilty of covering up for sexual abuse, was exonerated. Judge Roy Ellis said that prosecutors failed to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Umm, that’s not what “exhonerated” means.

  • Kevin K

    True, but if it’s good enough for OJ Simpson …

  • Bubblecar

    Well done jury. Australia’s top Catholic in the slammer will be one in the eye for a very nasty church. Let’s hope they can’t wheel & deal their way out of it.

  • Eskimo man

    Pell is not guilty of anything, this is just a circus to attack the Church. Why is no one coming out with the fact that the sexual abuse scandal is a homosexual problem? The child molesters are homo’s posing as Priests, it is an attack on the Church.

  • Eskimo man

    I bet Tim loves to suck little dicks himself.

  • Eskimo man

    He is not a paedophile you dummy.

  • Eskimo man

    How is the Church nasty you hypocrite? F ck you people are dumb.

  • Eskimo man

    He was already cleared of the same shit in NSW years ago, and there is no evidence to prove him guilty.

  • Zielwolf

    A jury just found him guilty mate. He’s going to jail unless he has a successful appeal.

  • Zielwolf

    It’s been suppressed. Check out the front page of Friday’s The Daily Telegraph.

  • Zielwolf

    It’s the Church’s own fault for making up the stupid law of celibacy. What do you expect will happen when you insist priests have to be celibate? Of course gay men will flock to you because it gives them refuge. No other church has this strange, unnatural law.

  • Lurker111

    “I’m now waiting to see what Dononhue has to say about Pell’s conviction.”

    You should be frightened. Donohue has the whole Catholic League behind him!!!!

  • Lurker111

    Please. The Catholic Church, spreading lies and myth as truth, and for money, is the world’s longest-running and largest continuing criminal organization. And that’s besides all the other crimes, like baby-stealing and labor enslavement.

  • Lurker111

    Offer him a deal where he spends the rest of his life in a cabin on Prince Edward Island. Just don’t tell him which Prince Edward Island. 🙂

  • Lurker111

    You’re really a paid shill, aren’t you? And, you have nothing to contribute. Blocked.

  • TheBookOfDavid

    It’ll be the standard boilerplate whining about anti-Catholic bullies, slander of LGBT, and fetus-person whataboutism. Donohue lacks the wit or imagination to retort that Pell was tried in a kangaroo court.

  • Raging Bee

    The child molesters are CHILD MOLESTERS. Not all gays are child molesters. They’re not the same thing. Take your bigoted scapegoating and shove it back where it came from.

  • Broga

    Eskimo man: Your brain, such as it is, has been unhinged by the religious indoctrination and threats of hell fire of your early years. The criminal RC Church is crumbling before us and Ireland is a gratifying example. Thousands of young children raped by priests; women made pregnant and forced into abortions; priests who inflict their paedophile perversions on young boys on their annual holiday in the East and the contemptible scum who shield them and destroy the lives of their victims.

    Read some history, which is in books about the past but you will need a dictionary and someone to help you with the long words. Discover the wonderful racket of selling forgiveness in advance. Martin Luther pointed out that this meant that wealthy men could commit as many future murders as they wanted and be spared the fictional hell. He was hunted by the Vatican, as corrupt, cruel, hypocritical and rotten then as it is now.

    Does your carer know you have access to a computer and you have stopped taking your pills? There is a certain entertainment in your ludicrous and ignorant nonsense but we really should not continue to exploit you for our amusement.

  • Lurker111

    That might boomerang on him.

  • P. McCoy

    When you support and financially aid sexual predators that makes your Church nasty and YOU an accomplice.

  • P. McCoy

    The majority of child molesters are by stats heterosexual MALES. But you just continue to scapegoat Gays, nobody’s buying it anymore.

  • P. McCoy

    Asking cultists to be rational is folly.

  • Contractions of Fate

    Oh, the guy that lied in Dawkins’ face, muttered something about Neanderthal and then both he and Donohue lied about it after? So he can’t be trusted with children, either?

  • Contractions of Fate

    >”This relates to allegations that Pell “sexually offended” two two boys in a swimming pool in Ballarat, Victoria”

    Tutu boys? Were they ballet dancers?

    Oh! “Two two”!

  • E.A. Blair

    “I’m now waiting to see what Dononhue has to say about Pell’s conviction.”

    He’ll blow it off as persecution, as usual.

  • E.A. Blair

    That’s not how “exonerated” is spelled.

  • Graeme Thompson

    NSW is a different state to Vic and has no jurisdiction over what happens there, so your comment is just catholic bullshit propaganda.

  • Graeme Thompson

    It has been suppressed so as not to influence a second trail he is facing early next year., At the end of that trial all will be released.

  • Eskimo man

    Whether he has been found guilty or not is unknown at this point, and who can trust the opinion of a jury anyway? There is no evidence, and the Victorian police said that they were pressing charges just for the sake of it at the beginning. It is just another attack on the Church. Bishop Wilson was found guilty even though they had nothing on him. After an appeal he was cleared.

  • Eskimo man

    Your bullshit is just bullshit moron. He has already been cleared of the same charges, and they admitted to not having any evidence when pressed the same charges in Victoria.

  • Eskimo man

    Boy molesting Priests are homosexuals you idiotic imbecile. And if someone is dumb enough to be attracted to the same sex, what makes you think they know enough to stay away from young boys? Homosexuality IS SEXUAL ABUSE!!!

  • Eskimo man

    The sexual abuse scandal within the Church is a homosexual problem, they have purposefully infiltrated the Church to damage it from within. The Church is against abuse of any kind, and clearly teaches against Sodomy.

  • Graeme Thompson

    As your own fairy tale book says. there are none so blind as those that will not see. Thsat fact that you say he has been cleared of the same charges in NSW shows just how full of shit you are

  • Eskimo man

    Celibacy does not cause homosexuality you idiot, and it’s not a law, it is a vow that Priests of the Latin Rite make before God.

  • HFR

    There’s a gag order on reporting his conviction because he’s facing more charges for molesting children at a swimming pool!

  • Eskimo man

    My brain is far more advanced than yours goofy, and I was a dumb Atheist in my early years. The Holy Catholic Church is not criminal, as it can only be judged on what she teaches. What is happening is prophesied in the scriptures, and the crimes of these homosexual priests are an attack on the Church itself. I know all about the history of the Church far better than any outside of it, and the Church has NEVER sold indulgences, that was an abuse of Church teaching committed by no more than 3 monks. Martin Luther was an occultist that used these abuses to advance his antichrist Masonic Jew agenda to destroy the Catholic Church. If you are amused, that’s funny, because you are the one that believes in fairy tales and magic, not me. Those who don’t believe in God believe in any bullshit they are given, even though it defies logic.

    From the Jewish Peril and The Catholic Church

    Catholic Missionary Society of England was quoting speeches delivered in a series of secret Jewish meetings in Paris 1936.

    “As long as there remains among the Gentiles any moral conception of the social order, and until all faith, patriotism and dignity are uprooted, our reign over the world shall not come. “We have already fulfilled part of our work, but we cannot yet claim that
    the whole of our work is done. We have still a long way to go before we can overthrow our main opponent: The Catholic Church… “We must always bear in mind that the Catholic Church is the only institution which has stood, and which will, as long as it remains in
    existence, stand in our way.

    We have spread the spirit of revolt and false liberalism among the nations of the Gentiles so as to persuade them away from their faith and even to make them ashamed of professing the precepts of their Religion and obeying the Commandments of their Church. We have brought many of them to boast of being atheists, and more than that, to glory in being descendants of the ape! We have given them new theories, impossible of realization, such as Communism, Anarchism, and Socialism, which are now serving our purpose…The stupid Gentiles have accepted them with the greatest enthusiasm, without realizing that those theories are ours, and that they constitute our most powerful instrument against themselves.

    We are the supreme Masters of Peace and War. We can boast of being the Creators of the REFORMATION! Calvin was one of our Children; he was of Jewish descent, and was entrusted by Jewish authority and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the Reformation.

    “Martin Luther yielded to the influence of his Jewish friends, and again, by Jewish authority and with Jewish finance, his plot against the Catholic Church met with success.

    “We are grateful to Protestants for their loyalty to our wishes – although most of them are, in the sincerity of their faith, unaware of their loyalty to us. We are grateful to them for the wonderful help they are giving us in our fight against the stronghold of Christian Civilization, and in our preparations for the advent of our supremacy over the whole world and over the Kingdoms of the Gentiles.

    “Let us remember that as long as there still remain active enemies of the Catholic Church, we may hope to become Masters of the World… And let us remember always that the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before the Pope in Rome is dethroned, as well as all the other reigning monarchs of the Gentiles upon earth.”

    Secret Plot against the Church Unveiled by the Catholic Gazette of England 1936

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKWI9vp2uq8

    The Jewish Peril and the Catholic Church

    https://ia800604.us.archive.org/20/items/TheJewishPerilAndTheCatholicChurch/tmi2_jewish_peril.pdf

  • Eskimo man

    It is a fact moronic imbecile.

  • Eskimo man

    When you blame the Church for something that is against the Church, that makes you an idiotic mental retard.

  • Eskimo man

    F ck you morons are braindead. Do you really believe that someone would pay me to make that post?

  • Sheryl Gay

    I knew it, sooner or later, religious MORONS like you will trot out the old “it’s the homosexuals fault” line. Oh here we go again, for ignorant people who don’t understand (or refuse to) one more time, being homosexual does not automatically mean you are a pedophile. More than likely not because 95% of pedophiles are HETEROSEXUAL MEN, (like you) proven fact. It’s just a filthy lie the the church has promulgated to try and deflect the issue away from the church. Why would you go to all the trouble of posing as a priest, you can’t even see how fkn stupid that statement is. I don’t know why I bother with people like you, but holy shit this crap just gets under my skin, I can’t stand ignorance. Get your head out of your religious arse and wake up.

  • Graeme Thompson

    What a fact that he was investigated for a crime committed in a different state, totally outside the jurisdiction of NSW? What sort of lying moronic imbecile are you. You really have had too much of the koolaid.

  • P. McCoy

    All your ilk can DO now is call people names. I am not a “retard” because I condemn an organization that has been enabling sexual predators. Watch those Aussie dollars shrink in the collection plates; do you think that the 3rd world will make up that economic shortfall?

  • P. McCoy

    He can’t because well. Read it for yourself. Don’t argue; his side has LOST- only thing left to do is for countries to break off diplomatic relations with the Vatican.

  • EquaYona

    Maybe, but probably not. I think you are a volunteer asshole.

  • Raging Bee

    Dude, the rest of us learned the difference between child-molesters and homosexuals back in JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL. Either you’re not at that stage yet, or you never got the basic education you needed. And either way, you’re too stupid to participate in a grownup conversation. That makes you part of the problem.

  • Dom Saunders
  • Dom Saunders

    He’s not wrong that celibacy doesn’t “cause” homosexuality. But it’s still a stupid vow nonetheless. And if a vow is practically enforced like a law within the confines of the church, it may as well be one.

  • Dom Saunders

    Even if I were to grant you that, how would that explain priests who have sexually molested young girls and nuns? You want to scapegoat gay people for them too? Logic much? At all?

  • Dom Saunders

    You’re why people are leaving the RCC every day, just so you know. Not because of LGBT people. And yeah, the Church teaches against sodomy. Yet they themselves are not only guilty of rape and sexual assault, the church is also guilty of either committing genocide or looking away and implicitly allowing acts of genocide to continue, religious wars, and generally being a threat against human rights overall. Seems the church has a MUCH bigger problem on its hands than the fact LGBT people merely exist.

  • Phil

    Ok if the church is so against all that, why do they spend all that money and time covering it all up? They certainly don’t sack them or report to the police. So no, the church is not against pedophiles , just it’s reputation.

  • Phil

    I love it when religious folk demand evidence when their whole philosophy depends on lack of evidence.

  • Broga

    Eskimo Man: I haven’t time to read that screed. I have to work for a living and a lecture to give in a couple of hours. You are a bit of relaxing entertainment requiring zero mental effort from me. Unlike what I will be engaged in for the rest of the day. But I really should not have hurt your feelings. Your are so sensitive. So try to calm down, lie in a dark room with a cold compress and try to calm your agitation.

    Next, I refer you to the comment of Oscar Wilde who apologised as follows: “I am sorry to have written such a long letter but I did not have time to write a short one.” Condense your garbage into a couple of short paragraphs. Then I might be able to spare you five minutes. Gotta go, my lift has arrived. Back this evening.

  • KELL
  • KELL
  • KELL

    Learn your bible fool instead of blathering shit that makes you feel good.

  • KELL

    He’l be fine if you all just pray for him surely?

  • KELL

    All you who flock to the iron age invisible sky wizard can pray for his freedom, surely that’l do the trick…

  • Bob Bergeron

    Are you Bill Donahue pretending to be eskimo man? come on tell the truth..oh wait a minute your catholic you have permission to lie, from god.

  • Bob Bergeron

    Hanging on like grim death

  • Bob Bergeron

    god told me pell is a serial rapist, really he spoke to me. e told me your one of the right hand demon’s of the devil.
    Really he spoke to me, swear to god?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/919b927864ab5f9d536ac3cfe58a9db17c48c6bf60d9a9a6614c531c74c2d49f.jpg

  • Sophotroph

    The church was never moral, and now that fact is in plain view. The cookie is in full crumble.

    I look forward to visiting the Vatican Museum once the current tenants are evicted.

  • Another shocking anti-LGBT campaigner bites the dust.

  • Clincher

  • When the Church does stuff that is “against the Chuirch” then it’s recursively rational to blame The Church.

  • Homosexual men are attracted to masculinity, i.e. MEN, and form adult relationships of equal power, comparable to those between heterosexual adults. Pedophiles are attracted to children. The two entirely different terms should not be conflated. Please do yourself a favour and buy a dictionary, or at least use an online one – they’re free.

  • Lurker111

    “If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to Hell?”
    “No, not if you did not know.”
    “Then you must be put to death before you condemn others.”

  • Eskimo man

    I thought the non religious were morons considering their belief system is moronically illogical. It is a known fact that the enemies of the Church have been infiltrating it to destroy it from within for centuries, and actually over a thousand in the US alone in the 1920’s. Paedophiles are those who molest children of either sex under the age of 10. Over 80% of child abuse cases by those posing as Priests were committed against boys (Young men) by homosexual scum bags. The sex scandal is against the Church you dumb shit, it goes against everything the Church stands for. This is taken from “The Jewish Peril and the Catholic Church”

    “We have blackened the Catholic Church with the most ignominious calumnies, we have stained her history and disgraced
    even her noblest activities. We have imputed to her the wrongs of her enemies, and thus brought these latter to stand more closely by our side… So much so, that we are now witnessing to our greatest satisfaction, rebellions against the Church in several countries… We have turned her clergy into objects of hatred and ridicule, we have subjected them to the contempt of the crowd… We have caused the practice of the Catholic religion to be considered out of date and a mere waste of time. “And the Gentiles, in their stupidity, have proved easier dupes than we expected them to be. One would expect more intelligence and more practical common sense, but they are no better than a herd of sheep. “So far, we have considered our strategy in our attacks upon the Catholic Church from the outside. But this is not all. Let us now explain how we have gone further in our work, to hasten the ruin of the Catholic Church, and how we have penetrated into her most intimate circles, and brought even some of her Clergy to become pioneers of our cause. “Apart altogether from the influence of our philosophy, we have taken other steps to secure a breach in the Catholic
    Church. Let me explain how this has been done. “We have induced some of our children to join the Catholic body, with the explicit intimation that they should work in a still more efficient way for the disintegration of the Catholic Church, by creating scandals within her. We have thus followed the advice of our Prince of the Jews, who so wisely said: ‘Let some of your children become canons, so that they may destroy the Church’. Unfortunately, not all among the ‘convert’ Jews have proved faithful to their mission. Many of them have even betrayed us! But, on the other hand, others have kept their promise and honoured their word. Thus the counsel of our Elders has proved successful.
    Fuck you people are dumb, you mouth off having no idea what you are talking about.

  • Eskimo man

    Those who go to hell hate God, it’s pretty simple.

  • Eskimo man

    And I think you are a mental retard. : )

  • Eskimo man

    Are you saying homosexuals do not molest young boys? WTF?

  • Eskimo man

    Homosexual men love hairless boys, so stop talking shit faggot.

  • Raging Bee

    Yes, there’s PLENTY of homosexuals who NEVER molest minors. Why is this obvious fact so hard for you to comprehend? Homosexuals and child-molesters are not the same thing. Seriously, how old are you — thirteen? Get some basic education, and in the meantime, stop talking about things you clearly know nothing about.

  • Eskimo man

    What would you do in a position of authority within the Church in the same situation? Now you will have to think hard and honestly before you answer that. And you will find that in many of the cases, it was actually the parents who failed to report it to the police. We are talking about a time when child molesting was unheard of by the majority, and those Priests and Bishops of the Church (the good ones that is) would have had trouble believing such evil was possible. There were also those who were a part of the homosexual mafia within the Church that protected these sick c*nts. Grow a brain and think before you pass judgement on the institution that is responsible for the Western civilisation you now enjoy the freedoms and rights of.

  • Eskimo man

    Where is the genocide you dopey goose? Did you know that the only state in the world fighting for human rights at the UN is the Holy See? You are as dumb as they come, and a useless pr*ck.

  • Eskimo man

    Over 80% of the sex abuse scandals within the Church are by homosexuals on young boys. But the world promotes same sex marriage and homosexuality, while condemning the Church for crimes committed mostly by homosexuals. Is that logical enough for you?

  • Eskimo man

    And over 80% of those who molest children within the Church are homosexuals. Are you a fag or something? Never trust a fag.

  • Dom Saunders

    Let’s see, how about the fact that the genocidal actions of the RCC were so great, Pope John Paul II felt the need to apologize for them? And not even just for the Holocaust (which even then was a half-hearted apology at best), but for about 2000 years worth of errors including the Inquisition, crusades, holy wars, forced conversions of Natives and Africans, etc.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2000/03/13/world/pope-asks-forgiveness-for-errors-of-the-church-over-2000-years.html There’s your receipt.

    Your church has a shitton of human rights violations under its belt before we even GET to its decades-long history of sexual abuse against children. Homosexual people are literally the least of your concerns and shouldn’t even be on your radar especially when, again, pedophilia =/= homosexuality. You’re a fucking idiot if you believe a consensual relationship between two grown adults of the same sex is akin to, as you put in in another insane comment, “sexual abuse.”

    No.

    Sexual abuse is when a person uses their authority to manipulate and sexually violate another person when they didn’t ask to receive such treatment. Pedophilia is illegal because it leads to the sexual abuse of minors of either sex. It is its own category. It is its own bullshit, something that LGBT people have little to nothing to do with. All of these problems are issues YOUR church refuses to deal with. It’s easier to scapegoat than having to take accountability for your own crimes, you hateful troll.

  • Dom Saunders

    Where are the receipts? Oh wait, I found one!

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/do-the-right-thing/201003/six-myths-about-clergy-sexual-abuse-in-the-catholic-church

    Although the vast majority of victims are boys (80 percent, according to the 2004 John Jay study and other studies), and the Catholic Church has a large number of priests who are homosexual in orientation (22-45 percent, according to a variety of studies and reports), homosexuality doesn’t make men sex offenders. No evidence exists that suggest sexual orientation, in and of itself, makes someone at risk to commit sex crimes against children or others. Sexual orientation is not a risk factor for crime.

    Now, is that logical enough for you?

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  • Dom Saunders

    No, the non-religious care more about facts than unnecessary faith. You want to believe that gay people are the boogeymen responsible for the crimes of the RCC. But what we KNOW to be true is that that’s not the case, after a plethora of investigations, research, and study. Keep citing your 80%, that isn’t wrong, but you don’t have the knowledge on sex crimes, how they’re committed, who commits them, and why. Criminal investigators and psychologists, they’ve already done the hard work for you and guess what? They don’t agree with you, sis. Your premise is flawed and you’re mad about it. I get that it’s hard for you to conceive that molestation against boys isn’t necessarily considered akin to having a gay orientation, but that’s just how warped and strange pedophilia is. Paraphilia =/= Orientation. Disorders =/= Orientation.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/pedophilia

    There’s another receipt for that. Notice the emphasis on “children” and how it doesn’t necessarily pertain to any specific sex. Hence my point: Disorder does NOT equal orientation. Learn it and understand that and, of course:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c85e526b6787b38e7ca6bb9fb6ea29584b0811f5894758385e8125d5a3a99e2f.gif

  • Dom Saunders

    Uh. No. The RCC is involved in pretty much every human rights violation imaginable. And America, or rather, the US, on top of our mountains of evil misdeeds, we now have an administration that thinks continuing these things will make us “great” again. Even if you want to say and even if I wanted to grant you that the RCC isn’t a criminal organization and that the US isn’t evil despite all that, both are at the very least so morally repugnant there is really little distinction keeping either from being labeled as pure evil.

  • Dom Saunders
  • Raging Bee

    And you know that how, genius? Were they also involved with other men of roughly their own ages?

  • Raging Bee

    If all this sex abuse is a homosexual problem, then why is it happening in an institution as staunchly anti-gay as the Catholic Church?

    Also, it’s “the world” who are busy EXPOSING and ATTACKING the Church’s crimes, and the Church have been fighting against us every step of the way. So who’s being more moral again?

  • Raging Bee

    Yeah, you sound like you’re only thirteen. You don’t belong in a grownup conversation. Buh-bye.

  • Raging Bee

    Whatever he thinks will get a rise out of bigots and idiots like Eskimo Boy. That lot are most of his target audience.

  • Zielwolf

    No, it’s not unknown whether Pell has been found guilty or not. The court’s verdict is: guilty as charged. Why do you think Pope Francis just fired him? This is the end of the road for the Catholic Church in Australia. Her most senior leader, the Cardinal himself, the highly vocal arch-champion of conservative family values has been found guilty of messing with little boys. There’s no recovery from this.

  • Zielwolf

    Dude, over 80% of of those who molest children OUTSIDE the Church are heterosexual pedophiles. Just because the Catholic Church has a huge problem with pedophile men who abuse boys doesn’t say a thing about homosexuality. If you take Roman Catholic priests out of the equation, the number of men who abuse boys compared to the number of men who abuse girls is tiny. You really need to get your facts straight because you just sound like a lunatic carrying on.

  • Broga

    It is you that is simple. Very simple.

  • Broga

    Vulgarity comes easily to you. I am no stranger to it myself but is it appropriate to your saintly image as a defender of your fictional God.
    Ad hominem is not a response to an acceptable debating point. It is a failure to have anything else to offer. Do you have a dictionary and do you know how to use it? If not, ask your carer.

  • Broga

    You are losing it again. Calm down before you do yourself and injury. Your mental limitations and emotional problems are enough to be going on with and any more will be too much.

  • Broga

    “All your ilk can DO now is call people names.” On target. That will hurt as he is super sensitive.

  • Broga

    And what has been done to what passes for your brain is child abuse. I assume you must have been indoctrinated and threatened with hell fire as a child.

  • Broga

    Never trust an ignorant, bigoted, vicious an cruel RC who has been indoctrinated by his criminal church. Any intelligent and educated priest would be appalled by you. The longer you are here the more destructive you are to your church and the more supportive you are to atheism. Is that too difficult for you to understand.

  • Broga

    Deep in fantasy land. Do you regard celibacy as normal. Celibacy is the greatest perversion of all. Answer the question: why is celibacy regarded as virtuous and homosexuality as the worst of behaviour. Do you know any history. For example the number of Popes who were promiscuous sexual predators?

  • Broga

    Your are a serious and committed fool. The biggest threat to the planet is the exploding population. Guess who encourages lots of kids; guess who argues against contraception, guess who – diabolically – told its gullible and ignorant followers that condoms were a sin and did not prevent pregnancies or Aids. The Vatican.

    You are sick. You need help. As well as being a liar, prone to insult anyone who disagrees with you. I would guess you are a frustrated and cowardly wretch who, unable to progress in life, attacks as a vindictive response. You are probably a latent homosexual covering up what you have been taught is a mortal sin.

    I am heterosexual myself, very long time married, children and grandchildren and looking forward to the Pagan Festival described as Christmas for the time being. What about you? There must be some powerful disturbance for you fury.

  • Eskimo man

    There may be plenty of homosexuals who do not molest boys under the age of 18, but as we now know there are plenty who do. Why is this obvious fact so hard for you to comprehend? I know that homosexuals and child molesters are not the same thing you silly goose. Why do you defend homosexuality which is clearly disordered, unnatural, and a form of sexual abuse within itself? I clearly know more about what I’m talking about in comparison to you. Grow a brain and wake up to yourself.

  • Raging Bee

    Gayness is none of those things. You clearly neither know nor care what you’re talking about, and there’s no point arguing about grownup stuff with an overgrown child.

  • Eskimo man

    This was taken from the same site you reference.

    6. Most clergy sex offenders aren’t paedophiles. Research tells us that about 80 percent of clergy sex offenders abuse post-pubescent teens, not pre-pubescent children. So the phrase “paedophile priest” is a misnomer. You might say that it doesn’t matter. Both categories involve victimizing minors. True, but the risk factor profiles, as well as the evaluation and treatment prognoses, are very
    different between the two groups. Besides, while people may be worried about young children being victimized, they may neglect the more likely victim: the teen.
    I doubt that the report of 22-45 percent of Priests being homosexual is true or credible, but having said that, it would be a statement regarding the US and not the Church as a whole. The Catholic Bishops Conference of the US is basically run by Masonic Bishops anyway. There are factors that the site does not mention about paedophilia victims, in that the victims are girls and boys, meaning there is no sexual preference for paedophiles. The majority of victims of abuse over the age of 10 to 12 in general are girls, committed by heterosexual men. This is logical considering men are supposed to be attracted to females. But when it comes to boy victims over the age of 10-12, the perpetrators are nearly 100 % homosexual men. So homosexuals are responsible for nearly all the sexual abuse on young boys.
    Now is that logical enough for you?

  • Eskimo man

    There were never any genocidal actions of the Church in its history you silly prick. John Paul II made a general apology for the sins of its members throughout history for the sake of a new beginning in evangelisation with other religions and all peoples. It was not an admission of guilt for the Church, as the Church remains spotless in Christ. I doubt there was any holocaust “SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938” https://youtu.be/Dda-0Q_XUhk , and the Inquisitions were against heretics, and Masonic Jews posing as Catholics. Over 450 years between 3,000 and 5,000 were put to death for their CRIMES by the civil authorities, not the Church. The Crusades were in defence of the lands of Christendom, with many miraculous victories proving they were God’s will. Considering Christianity (Catholicism) was law from the 6th century to the 16th century, suggesting there were forced conversions of natives and Africans means nothing. Of course throughout history there has been abuses by individuals within the Church beginning with Judas as the first to do so. You can only judge the Church for what she teaches, and all the good that comes from it including Christian (Western) civilisation, that you now enjoy the freedoms and rights of. Not for too much longer, as the spirit of antichrist through the UN is working to de-Christianize civilisation as we speak. The Catholic Church is the largest charity on earth, it is the largest educator on earth, and the largest medical provider on earth, which is no surprise considering the Church is responsible for the creation of the idea of hospitals. The only religion in the world that has its own state, and a seat at the UN. Only the blind cannot see that. Homosexuals commit sexual abuse on each other, their sexual organs, their nature, and their sexuality you fucking idiot.
    I would suggest that you are the one that is the hateful troll.

  • Eskimo man

    You can’t comprehend that it is your unnecessary faith in your beliefs that causes you to state them as facts. They are not facts. I know for a fact that homosexuals are not GAY, and that homosexuals are mainly responsible for the sexual abuse scandal within the Church. But what we know to be true is that homosexuality is a sickening disorder that my doctor actually calls evil, not a sickness. On my previous post to you I show that I do have knowledge on sex crimes. Molestation against boys (teenagers) is a homosexual orientation you imbecile. It is not paedophilia. I know your generation of your people are struggling to become a part of civilisation, and separating yourself from the instincts of the wild. Civilised logic tells us that we should not support the poofterisation of humanity by calling them gay, and denying the offences they commit against young boys. So you get over it you silly dipshit.

  • Eskimo man

    Are you just plain stupid or what? At least 80% of the scandals within the Church were committed by men against boys, that is homosexuality. There are claims of this filth going on within Seminaries where homosexual Priests were abusing young Seminarians. The enemies of the Church have developed a homosexual culture within parts of the Priesthood. With these scandals being brought to light the Church now has a chance to fix the problem, but in these evil times I am not going to hold my breath. The Church teaches against this evil, so you cannot blame the Church for what her enemies do. If you knew anything about the Church and its history you would know this. In earlier centuries of the Church these scumbag homosexuals and child abusers were put to death. If that were the case today you and the world would oppose that.

  • Eskimo man

    God is against Sodomy so the Church has to be also. They have infiltrated the Church to destroy it from within. The Church has not committed any crimes, and if you had any logic in your head, you would know why the Church does not want to expose the crimes of evil sinners to the world. You yourself blame the Church, when it is not the Church. It is the enemies of the Church. If your brother was a child molester, would you want the world to know about it? Maybe you might be one also. Do you get my drift?

  • Eskimo man

    You accuse me of being only 13 when you are the one acting like a 13 year old.

  • Eskimo man

    The verdict has not been released, I’m an Aussie, I should know. Non credible sources have run with the story after the Pope relieved Pell of his position in charge of Vatican finances. His time was up soon anyway, and after these bogus charges against him are cleared, or over. His time would be up. You seem to take pleasure in the hope that he is found guilty by an obviously bogus legal system that had already cleared him in another state years ago, and that has waited over 30 years to do anything about something that was not claimed 30 years ago. It was first claimed in 2012, 30 years after the act, if there ever was anything that happened. Whether found guilty or not, I have no doubt of his innocence.

  • Eskimo man

    Well, the fact is that it is you that sounds like a lunatic carrying on. Paedophiles are those who abuse children under the age of 10, and it is fairly even between boys and girls. In general outside the Church, abuse is committed by mainly men against mainly teenage girls. But all abuse against teen boys in and outside of the Church is committed by homosexuals. Can you get that into your thick scon?

  • Eskimo man

    I do not have a Saintly image, and have never claimed to be Holy, or even good. As a human being I know fully that I am a sinner, and I have no need to defend God, nor does God need anyone to defend Him. I am not here to debate anyone, debating is a useless game. I’m defending the truth, and the Church. Nothing more, or less.

  • Eskimo man

    You fail to answer my question. Carrying on with jibberish serves no good purpose.

  • Eskimo man

    Now you are beginning to amuse me. Do you even go back and read your own posts? Classical hypocrisy, very amusing because I’ve become to so used to it from anti-Catholics like yourself.

  • Eskimo man

    Of course celibacy is not normal you silly goose, it is not a perversion either you retarded imbecile. Celibacy is a commitment to Christ in fullness without the distractions that come with a relationship in marriage (to the opposite sex of course). Homosexuality has no good in it at all, is against the natural order, nature, and the intentions of the sexes. I know the truth about history, which includes the history of sinful Popes in the past. The noticeable fact of that is that they never changed Church teaching and doctrines to suit their sinful ways. If you can’t grasp what is wrong with homosexuality, what makes you think you know anything about what is right and wrong, and whether it is you or me who is in fantasy land or not? Fuck you people are so dumb.

  • Zielwolf

    No, abuse inside the Church is committed by pedophile priests. Homosexuals are adult men who have normal, healthy, consensual relationships with other adult men. They have real jobs, families, live normal lives. Unlike Roman Catholic priests who live unhealthy, abnormal lives, cut off from normal human contact. You’re just making shit up. Sexual abuse is not fairly even between girls and boys. 27% of girls but only 4% of boys are abused. Which means the vast majority of pedophiles have hetero inclinations. A simple Google search verifies this.

  • Eskimo man

    Hello…. the population is not exploding you fictional ratbag. The Church does not encourage lots of kids either you liar, it encourages natural family planning according to one’s own situation and ability to provide for their children. Condoms are a sin because they don’t work 100%, and they support the sexual revolution where sex is for personal gratification, and not to reproduce children. The fact is that countries who support the use of condoms have more instances of Aids compared to those who promote abstinence. You are sick. You need help. As well as being a liar, prone to insult anyone who disagrees with you. I would guess you are a frustrated and cowardly wretch who, unable to progress in life, attacks as a vindictive response. You are probably a latent homosexual covering up your bisexual tendencies from your wife and children. Christmas is not a pagan festival, the date was chosen by the Church to defeat paganism by making a pagan feast day a Christian day of celebrating the human birth of Christ. In retaliation the pagans created Santa Claus to take the true meaning of the day away from the dummies who bring their children up to believe in a magical Santa. Do you bring your children up to believe in the pagan Santa Claus even though you know he is bullshit? Typical hypocrite you are.

  • Eskimo man

    Why do you keep posting things that have no intellect in them? Gayness is not homosexuality, gay is a word created to make homosexuality sound as though there is nothing wrong with it, and more acceptable to the sheeple zombies who can’t think for themselves, so they support everything that is designed to destroy humanity.

  • Eskimo man

    You make your choice.

  • Eskimo man

    Your posts have no sting, and I have proven you to be the idiot.

  • Eskimo man

    WTF? You say homosexuals are adult? men? who have normal? healthy? consensual? relationships with other adult? men? You must be deluded to suggest that homosexuals are any of those things, and that they live “normal” lives. It is people like you that are the reason why the world and humanity is falling apart these days. You clearly have no idea at all what you are talking about.

    6. Most clergy sex offenders aren’t paedophiles.

    Research tells us that about 80 percent of clergy sex offenders abuse post-pubescent teens, not pre-pubescent children. So
    the phrase “paedophile priest” is a misnomer. You might say that it doesn’t matter. Both categories involve victimizing minors. True, but the risk factor profiles, as well as the evaluation and treatment prognoses, are very different between the two groups. Besides, while people may be worried about young children being victimized, they may neglect the more likely victim: the teen.

    Six Myths About Clergy Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/do-the-right-thing/201003/six-myths-about-clergy-sexual-abuse-in-the-catholic-church

  • Raging Bee

    Damn, you’re easily triggered. Bless your little heart…

  • Zielwolf

    Umm so where I come from teens are children and people who abuse them are pedophiles. We’re obviously on different pages here. I’m not sure what your goal is. One thing is for sure. With Cardinal Pell going to jail, and the government confiscating all its wealth, the Catholic Church in Australia is finished. Kaputt. End of the line. Better choose your new denomination now. Protestant or Orthodox?

  • Broga

    What truth and what evidence to support it. And don’t say that the bible is your evidence. The bible was written and changed many times. The synoptic Gospels were not written by Matthew. Mark etc. These name were chosen to give a spurious authority. There are scores of contradictions, cruelties and weird claims e.g. God showing his arse to someone. The census referred to at the time of the fictional Jesus birth never took place at the time. The idea that Joseph was a descendent of David, who was born 1,000 years earlier, is ludicrous.
    A better explanation for the virgin birth (despite Mary having been married to Joseph) is that she got pregnant by someone else and went upmarket and chose God, who was also the baby Jesus and the Holy Ghost was also in there somewhere.
    Don’t you know anything? Can you really be so deeply and offensively ignorant?.

  • Broga

    You are weird. The more a man is deprived of sex the more he thinks about it. Priests are obsessed with sex. The more satisfied someone is with sex the less they think about it. I would guess that you are a latent homosexual and you cannot quell the natural urge. Human nature will win or cause endless pressures. Why don’t you find a partner – I recognise the difficulties for you – and relax. You will see a different world and be much happier.

  • Eskimo man

    The fact is that paedophiles are sicko’s that abuse children before puberty basically, and they are not concerned with the sex of their victims. Cardinal Pell will not be going to jail, he has not been found guilty of anything. The government cannot confiscate anything, and the Church has no wealth. The Catholic Church will also appear to be dead worldwide not before too long, we know it is going to happen as the spirit of antichrist is preparing for a one world government under THE Antichrist. Protestantism was dead before it started, it was created by those who want to destroy the Catholic Church and bring in a one world government and New World Order. You people have no idea what is going on, and when the shit hits the fan you’ll be crying like little babies.

  • Raging Bee

    The Antichrist? Wasn’t he supposed to lead us all to Armageddon back around 2000? This is yet another reason why you don’t belong here: we’re talking about reality, and you’re just stuck in a childish fantasy that the rest of us outgrew decades ago. Your opinions are ignorant, childish, and therefore worthless.

  • Raging Bee

    Research tells us that about 80 percent of clergy sex offenders abuse post-pubescent teens, not pre-pubescent children.

    The distinction is meaningless: both acts are ILLEGAL, both involve adults preying on much younger people who cannot give or withhold consent, both are FAR more harmful than consensual adult sex, and both have far more in common with each other than with adult men who seek other adult men. (Oh, and most teens are pubescent, not post-pubescent — just another pesky little fact you’re too feeble-minded to get right.)

    And once again, for the fuck-umpteenth time, both are radically different from homosexuality.

    We all know the only reason you and your fellow Catholic apologists are banging on and on about “prepubescent vs. post-pubescent,” is to scapegoat gays, whom you’ve always hated regardless of what they really do or do not do; and probably also to give yourselves an excuse to blame the victims — for being “more sexual” than children — and exonerate your own Church and its corrupt priests.

  • EllyR

    That is very nice of you, I just hope you understand that “truth” and “church’ have absolutely nothing in common and truth needs no defence while the church needs plenty. Maybe you should concentrate in that direction and defend as many sex abusers as you can… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8aa6d20556ca7a3c45825560f1da9321c208f7c34379ca580c83f6de900bf236.jpg

  • EllyR

    There is a very logical, holy explanation to the arse story… Seeing god’s face is fatal… the arse is safe!

  • EllyR
  • EllyR

    True, true, he is a holy paedophile and you are a holy dummy for defending such holy religious dirt!

  • Raging Bee

    As I said before: The distinction between “prepubescent” and “post-pubescent teens” is meaningless: both acts are ILLEGAL, both involve adults preying on much younger people who cannot give or withhold consent, both are FAR more harmful than consensual adult sex, and both have far more in common with each other than with adult men who seek other adult men. (Oh, and most teens are pubescent, not post-pubescent — just another pesky little fact you’re too feeble-minded to get right.) Even the bit you just quoted here admits this.

  • Raging Bee

    Also, the bit you quoted does not refute Don’s point.

  • Eskimo man

    Science, logic, and reason supports the fact that there has to be a God as nothing comes from nothing and nowhere. Nothing creates itself, everything is created. Time and space was once not there, which is agreed upon by the vast majority of scientists, so time and space has to come from outside of time and space. That is God. It is interesting how non believers always ask for evidence without ever giving any for their own idiotic beliefs. There is too much evidence to mention, and I can’t convince you, you have to convince yourself by actually searching for the truth. The Gospels were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, that is a historical fact. There are no contradictions in true scripture, and they were never meant to be read by those outside the one true faith because they are meant to be taught, not interpreted privately. You can crap on all you want, the only way to see and believe is to come into contact with God. Your story is incorrect, don’t you know anything? Can you really be so deeply and offensively ignorant?

  • Eskimo man

    The Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth 1 Timothy 3:15. And there are more sex abusers in the Protestant cults, and the non believers like yourself you dumb shit.

  • Eskimo man

    Bullshit, the more a man has good sex, the more he thinks about it and wants to have it. I know. You are saying really dumb things man, I hate faggotism from the bottom of my heart, so don’t bother trying to pretend I could do anything like that shit. (pushing shit uphill) the thought makes me sick. So why don’t you stop wasting my time and go and root your dog you silly goose.

  • Eskimo man

    People like you are leading us to Armageddon you idiot, and the Antichrist will lead a one world government which they are clearly working to put in place at the moment. You know nothing about reality you moronic imbecile, and you are the one following a childish fantasy. I don’t have opinions either you idiotic prick.

  • Eskimo man

    The distinction is not meaningless at all. There is a difference to being attracted to someone under the age of 10, than to someone after they have reached puberty. If you can’t see that difference, then you are dumber than I thought. Children around the ages of 14 and 15 can give consent as it is a known fact that kids of these ages are actively having sex. Most of my friends were having sex at those ages. I would suggest that post pubescent is referring to those who have passed the initial stages of puberty, and it was taken from a site that one of your dickhead mates referred me to. Homosexuality is sexual relations with one of the same sex regardless of age you twit. We all know that Sodomy is not normal, and that if someone can’t understand that they are meant to be with the opposite sex, you cannot trust them with anything. The vast majority of male homosexuals take drugs, and have been abused as children, or have not been brought up with a good male role model. I do not hate homosexuals, just what they do, and that is perfectly natural for a male who is attracted to the opposite sex like a normal human being. I also hate what these homosexuals posing as Priests have done, including the small number of non homosexuals, but the Church is guiltless as Christ was guiltless.

  • Eskimo man

    And you are a dumb fuck. He has been accused of being naked in front of children in the swimming pool change rooms where everybody is naked. I can remember when I went to the pools as a kid seeing naked men all the time in the change rooms. Does that make them paedophiles you dumb fuck?

  • Raging Bee

    I just explained why the difference is meaningless for both legal and moral purposes. But hey, thanks for confirming my prediction about your willingness to blame teenage victims for being “more sexual” than children.

  • Eskimo man

    You are a fucking idiot, I’m not blaming the victims you useless dumb fuck, I was talking about the difference in mentality for the perpetrator. And there is a difference in regards to legal and moral purposes. Fuck you are truly a dumb fuckwit.

  • Eskimo man

    Are you a parrot?

  • Eskimo man

    Dom’s point means nothing to me either, but he did say they were paedophiles in a previous post, so I used his own site to refute him. You are all supporters of poofterisation, but when fake Priests do it to boys it’s wrong. Hypocritical.

  • EllyR

    I hope you have your manipulator’s permission for the unholy language. In any way, using such language only denotes, frustration, lack of an answer and very low IQ.
    So you saw a lot of adult naked men as a child. If any of them was there to enjoy your naked, child ass and was aroused by you, yes, it makes them at least potential paedophile!

  • EllyR

    First, I hope you don’t take in your mouth some of the exotic things you like to refer to. I have no preference over any of the religious cults and quoting a mythology to “prove” its veracity is really dumb, but expected from your ilk.

  • Broga

    Thanks for the explanation of the viewing God’s arse story. Most helpful. From what I remember of my bible, the knowledge acquired in reading atheist authors, God was in a burning bush. So that must have hurt. I wonder why he had to be in the burning bush instead of a few yards away? I’m ready to corrected on that unlike Eskimo nutter who is certain of everything incredible. I wonder if that story explains a saying of an early boss of mine, “If you do that you will be holding the cat’s arse to the fire.”
    I’m afraid he too was an atheist and first passed on The Freethinker to me. I then discovered the kind of rational and cogent analysis I did not know existed.

  • Broga

    In your case I will try. But I doubt if I will ever approach the depths of your sick, certainty.

  • Broga

    There speaks a virgin.

  • Eskimo man

    I would have thought you are the one that is manipulated being a smart mouth and all.

    The inexplicable conviction of Cardinal Pell

    https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?id=1316&fbclid=IwAR3dhdg7A8zzL4OEg7lykIf9jhxLfsfhqlKKIVKP8P2ShU_lBmzdJgWDc6Y

  • Eskimo man

    And going along believing all the lies you do is what is expected from your low life ilk, you silly moron. Don’t you follow a mythology? Illogical hypocrite.

  • Eskimo man

    If you ever truly find the truth, you will be certain. And the only reason why you call my certainty sick, is because you have been deceived your whole life (as was I up until a certain point), and been programmed to trust those who are feeding you the bullshit. When you find out their plans, their manipulations, and exactly what they are doing, you will see the “full” picture. It does take a long time though, and there is not much of that left before the shit hits the fan.

  • Eskimo man

    I’m a born again virgin who has had the best sex ever in my past, with a hot blonde nymphomaniac who could not resist me when I touched her. You people are really weird, what makes you think you can know anything about a person by what they type on the computer? I think it is mainly Americans that do that through my experience.

  • EllyR

    That sounds very much like a religious believer confession with the moron and illogical hypocrite leading…

  • Ignorant Amos

    Said the NS archer to John Chau.

  • Ignorant Amos

    Science, logic, and reason decimates the God hypothesis ya Dime Bar.

  • Ignorant Amos

    And there are more sex abusers in the Protestant cults, and the non believers like yourself you dumb shit.

    Well that makes it all okay then, right?

    Isn’t the RCC meant to be the one true Church and the pinnacle of moral standing representing your God here on Earth?

    Youse are not doing a very good job ya dumb shite.

  • Broga

    How may times are you able to be a virgin? I thought once the virginity was gone that was it. You seem to be able to repeat the process. “Best sex?” Really! So what did you do with your partner or partners when you had finished with them? What about children? What happened to them? I thought you RCs were forbidden to use condoms? The implication of your comment is that when you had used your partner, and slaked your lust, you threw her to the side like an unwanted rag.

    Your are so consumed with hatred wrapped up in bigotry and stupidity that you cannot understand just what you are revealing. You seem a very nasty piece of humanity that inhabits the dark corners of life. Perhaps you are the kind of virgin that the Virgin Mary appeared to be. Married to a lusty carpenter, (did she have an earlier child called James?) and despite that she is a pure virgin ready to be raped by God who was also Jesus and so produce a bastard who had previously seduced her and made her pregnant. And somewhere in there was the Holy Ghost.

    Bloody hell, my head is spinning? Please explain this to me Eskimo Man. I always enjoy you fictions.
    Of course, I think you have all the indications of a severely repressed homosexual or a repressed trans sexual or a repressed heterosexual. Because you are definitely not a normal man. Perhaps you are a woman pretending to be a man? Are you an Eskimo? If so the name is Innuit?

  • Pofarmer

    And this just in from Illinois

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-illinois-attorney-general-catholic-priest-abuse-20181219-story.html

    “More than 500 priests accused of sexual abuse not yet publicly identified by Catholic church, Illinois attorney general finds”

  • Pofarmer

    Love it.

  • Pofarmer

    The Priests are the Church’s enemies? Who knew?

  • Ignorant Amos

    You are one dumb knuckle-dragging fuckwit.

    Try learning something for fuck sake…

    http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

  • Broga

    Where does God come from? Trying to show your limitations is like shooting fish in a barrel.

  • Eskimo man

    You are a typical moron that idiotically thinks your own unsubstantiated “beliefs” are more believable than logic and reason. And actually arguing against any religion is no different than the Fundamentalist extremists and Muslims.

  • Eskimo man

    No it doesn’t at all. Science (determination through observation) cannot explain the existence of life, or anything else without a God of creation where everything comes from. Including the original source of energy, as energy can only come from the existence of energy.

  • Eskimo man

    God is the Alpha and Omega, the first and last of everything. Nothing can exist without God, and if you can’t see that as logic, then no one can help you. Those who refuse to accept the reality and truth of God will “NEVER” find an answer of how everything came to be.

  • Eskimo man

    Of course it does not make it ok, you dopey ignoramus. The abuse scandal within the Church is an attack on the Church, and everything the Church stands for. How can you blame the Church for these low life homosexual scum going against the Church? What is happening has been prophesied for the end times, the great apostacy within the Church of God, as its hierarchy has all but been taken over by Masonic Jew infiltrator agents to destroy it from within. So maybe you and your retard mates should do a little research into these things, ya dumb shit.

  • Eskimo man

    I would suggest that you are the silly fuckwit in this case. Do you push shit uphill, do ya?

    Studies on the Frequency of Homosexual Child Molestation

    Dignity USA and other homosexual groups strenuously deny any connection whatever between a homosexual orientation and
    child sexual molestation. They repeatedly claim that “All credible evidence discounts any link between the molestation of children and homosexuality.”[6]

    Yet these groups seem curiously reluctant to cite this “credible evidence.”

    In fact, a number of studies performed over a period spanning more than half a century — many of which were performed by
    homosexuals or their sympathizers — have shown that an extremely large percentage of sexually active homosexuals also participate in child sexual molestation.

    This is not “homophobia” or “hatred.” This is mere scientific fact.

    For example:

    •Homosexual Alfred Kinsey, the USA’s preeminent sexual researcher, found in 1948 that 37 percent of all male homosexuals admitted to having sex with children under 17 years old. [7]

    •A recent study published in the Archives of Sexual Behaviour found that “The best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2 – 4% of men attracted to adults prefer men. In contrast, around 25 – 40% of men attracted to children prefer boys. Thus, the rate of
    homosexual attraction is 6-20 times higher among paedophiles.” [8]

    •Another recent study in the Archives of Sexual Behaviour found that “… all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories.” These age categories were fifteen and twenty years old. [9]

    •A third study in the Archives of Sexual Behaviour found that “Paedophilia appears to have a greater than chance association with two other statistically infrequent phenomena. The first of these is homosexuality … Recent surveys estimate the prevalence of
    homosexuality, among men attracted to adults, in the neighbourhood of 2%. In contrast, the prevalence of homosexuality among paedophiles may be as high as 30 – 40%.” [10]

    •A study in the Journal of Sex Research noted that “… the proportion of sex offenders against male children among homosexual men is substantially larger than the proportion of sex offenders against female children among heterosexual men … the development of
    paedophilia is more closely linked with homosexuality than with heterosexuality.” [11]

    •A study of 229 convicted child molesters published in the Archives of Sexual Behaviour found that “eighty-six percent of [sexual] offenders against males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.” [12]

    •A study by The Institute for Sex Research, which was founded by Alfred Kinsey, determined that 25% of white homosexual men
    have had sex with boys sixteen years and younger. [13]
    So get that up ya, you mentally retarded imbecile.

  • Eskimo man

    You’re just trolling with bullshit now because you have no intelligence or logic to provide. I lived with my partner for two years moron, I was never one that had many either for that matter, and it was before I became Christian you idiot. You like inventing fictional stories don’t you? You twist what little facts you have into something entirely different to the truth, just to make me look bad. You are the nasty piece of humanity that lies and blasphemes, and you are gutless because you wouldn’t dare say those things to my face. I would fucking destroy you.

  • Eskimo man

    You are an idiot, it is homosexuals who are the enemies of humanity, God, and the Church, you fucking imbecile.

  • EllyR

    You begin to sound like a broken record. Your pathetic shallow attempts to personally attack me, are as miserable and stupid as the religious beliefs you try in vain to protect!

  • Pofarmer

    Right, that’s why the Priesthood is anywhere from 36-60% homosexuals depending on whose numbers you go by.

  • Broga

    How do you know? Why do you think your religion deserves to be accepted over the hundreds of others with followers just as certain as you. I note you have no answer to how Mary could be a virgin after being married to a lusty carpenter and was then impregnated by a God who was her son who was going to be born. So your precious fictional Jesus was the result of incest. You are a fool.

  • Broga

    Why are you so upset? I thought you Christians were following gentle Jesus meek and mild. ” I would fucking destroy you.” So when you lose an argument you turn to threats of violence. What is wrong with you? What do you hope to achieve by your comments on his site.

    You lived with your partner for “two years” did you. So then you dumped him or her. You think two years justifies that kind of treatment. Please explain the facts I have twisted?

    By the way I, and others on this site, have grown used to disagreeable and bigoted Christians slavering over the thought of us burning in your fictional hell. Do you think your behaviour justifies that you escape hell? If so, why?

    Here is my opinion. Assuming God exists, and in an infinite and quantum multiverse, I suppose anything must be possible. God gave us his most precious gift: intelligence and the reason to use it. He arranged some simple tests to weed out those who failed the test (that’s you sucker) and were headed for hell fire for rejecting his test (you being a classic example.) The test was to allow priests to preach obvious nonsense and claim that a bible loaded with contradictions, absurdities and cruelties was God’s truth. So simple that only the most perverse (you); the most arrogant (you) and the most insolent who rejected his precious gift and spat in his face. (you again my hell bound bigot)

    So my foolish Eskimo you have a very serious problem because right now the hell fire flames must be licking round your sad, condemned body. Quite fairn view of the activities of you sickos in torturing those who dare to disagree and whom you have no argument to refute.

    Have a nice day. I have an article to write and it is only half finished. You I regard as relaxion and entertainment. So thank you for allowing me to have a bit of fun.

  • Ignorant Amos

    You’re just trolling with bullshit now because you have no intelligence or logic to provide.

    Spoiiiing…there goes another irony meter.

    I lived with my partner for two years moron,…

    Only two years, what happened? You saving yerself for yer wedding night and he couldn’t waist, so he binned ya?

    I was never one that had many either for that matter,…

    Ha ha haa…why does that not surprise me…

    …and it was before I became Christian you idiot.

    Oh fer feck sake…you’re a born again Roman Catholic…the worst kind, a bet you’ve got a chip on yer shoulder and a stick up yer arse.

    You like inventing fictional stories don’t you?

    Says the man that beleves the buybull and the Jesus yarn..yer pure comedy gold.

    You twist what little facts you have into something entirely different to the truth, just to make me look bad.

    No need, yer doing a cracking job of making yerself look bad all by yer sad sack lonely self, Dime Bar.

    You are the nasty piece of humanity that lies and blasphemes,…

    Spoiiiing…there goes another irony meter.

    …and you are gutless because you wouldn’t dare say those things to my face.

    Ahhh…the anonymity of the tinterwebz…a bugger isn’t. Has you well and truely triggered.

    I would fucking destroy you.

    That’s a bit presumptuous when ya don’t really know who yer dealing with…ya wouldn’t destroy me ya threatening prick…that’s fact.

  • Broga

    Your presence on this secular site seems to be that anyone who challenged your insane ideas will be threatened with violence. This seems like the paranoid behaviour of an out of control psychotic. Why should you be the only one to insist that you must not be challenged? Your beliefs are insane and yet you insist that they be left without challenge or you will threaten violence.

    What does your boy friend whom you admit you cast aside like a discarded shirt after two years think of your behaviour. By the way, isn’t it a criminal offence to threaten people since a female MP was murdered a few years ago and other prominent women are subjected to appalling abuse.

  • Ignorant Amos

    No it doesn’t at all.

    Yeah…to date, it really does.

    Science (determination through observation) cannot explain the existence of life,…

    Yeah, it can…just not how it got started…yet…science doesn’t claim to know everything, otherwise it would stop.

    …or anything else without a God of creation where everything comes from.

    Which god….let me guess…the god of your particular flavour of Catholicism, right?

    Including the original source of energy, as energy can only come from the existence of energy.

    You are just making shite up now.

    Science doesn’t know for sure what occurred before Planck time, and neither do you. But science has it’s sleeves rolled up and is working on it.

    https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpowered.htm

    https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whycare.htm

    None of which has any room for the god hypothesis.

    Demonstrate the process your god uses?

    How do you know? Where did your god get energy from?

  • Ignorant Amos

    Of course it does not make it ok,…

    Then as I suspected, your comment is a non sequitur, so pah!

    …you dopey ignoramus.

    Haaa…another fuckwtit religitard caught hook, line, and sinker. Everyone is an ignoramus on most things, the thing is realizing it.

    The abuse scandal within the Church is an attack on the Church, and everything the Church stands for.

    And yet those good Christians Church went out of it’s way to systematically and institutionally cover it up…that’s what your Church stands for….stop the weaseling apologetics and get yer house in order.

    How can you blame the Church for these low life homosexual scum going against the Church?

    First off, the problem isn’t one of homosexuality, that’s just your ignorant and asinine prejudice. I don’t blame your Church for having child molesters in it’s ranks…like you said, it isn’t exclusive to the RCC….my issue is that the establishment knew about it for a long time, covered it up, and facilitated the furthering of the debauchery. The RCC are not alone in this either, and I condemn all systemic institutionalized cover-up of child sex abuse, but that gets the RCC no consolation. They are supposed to do better.

    What is happening has been prophesied for the end times, the great apostacy within the Church of God, as its hierarchy has all but been taken over by Masonic Jew infiltrator agents to destroy it from within.

    Yeah…not interested in your crackpot imbecilic conspiracy theories. The dirty bastards are fucking children in the real world, the cunts in the RCC are covering it up….and people like you are giving them succor by apologizing for it and not doing enough to stop it.

    So maybe you and your retard mates should do a little research into these things, ya dumb shit.

    Spooooiiing…take a look in the mirror…there you’ll see the biggest retarded know nothing on this board.

  • Eskimo man

    And you are exactly the same. Merry Christmas. : )

  • Eskimo man

    There are not that many homosexuals within the Church, and it is worse in the US as the Church has all but been taken over by its enemies. There is no truth in the Media so don’t bother getting your info from them.

  • Eskimo man

    I have the ability to destroy any man on earth, and only an idiot would say I couldn’t considering you do not know me either you silly prick head.

  • Eskimo man

    Have you bothered to investigate all the different religions, how they started and by whom? Logic can only lead us to one of them. God is the one and only source of energy ya dill, the Alpha and Omega. And science will never find out anything in regards to the source of everything, because it ignores God and anything outside of time and space. I don’t believe in God, I know Him, I have experienced Him, and continue to experience His presence. This is the only way to know Him, having silly beliefs in false gods that don’t match what has happened in the history of man is silly. Grow a brain and find out for yourself, don’t make a fool of yourself by trying to argue against things you obviously know nothing about. Merry Christmas.

  • Eskimo man

    Those who covered up the abuse are with those who commit the abuses ya silly prick. Homosexuality is the problem with child sexual abuse. Again you have no idea what you are talking about, those of the world keep the truth secret.

    In the London Catholic Gazette of February
    1936, a sensational article was published under the heading: “The Jewish
    Peril and the Catholic Church”. The monthly organ of the Catholic
    Missionary Society of England was quoting speeches delivered in a series of
    secret Jewish meetings in Paris. A few
    weeks later, the Parisian weekly “Le Reveil du Peuple” published a
    similar account, adding that the statements had been made at a recent
    convention of the B’nai B’rith (secret Masonic order in which no Gentile is
    admitted) held in Paris.

    “As long as there remains among the
    Gentiles any moral conception of the social order, and until all faith, patriotism
    and dignity are uprooted, our reign over the world shall not come. “We
    have already fulfilled part of our work, but we cannot yet claim that the whole
    of our work is done. We have still a
    long way to go before we can overthrow our main opponent: The Catholic
    Church… “We must always bear in mind that the Catholic Church is the
    only institution which has stood, and which will, as long as it remains in
    existence, stand in our way.

    We have spread the spirit of revolt and
    false liberalism among the nations of the Gentiles so as to persuade them away
    from their faith and even to make them ashamed of professing the precepts of
    their Religion and obeying the Commandments of their Church. We have brought many of them to boast of
    being atheists, and more than that, to glory in being descendants of the
    ape! We have given them new theories,
    impossible of realization, such as Communism, Anarchism, and Socialism, which
    are now serving our purpose…The stupid Gentiles have accepted them with the
    greatest enthusiasm, without realizing that those theories are ours, and that
    they constitute our most powerful instrument against themselves.

    “We have blackened the Catholic Church
    with the most ignominious calumnies, we have stained her history and disgraced
    even her noblest activities. We have
    imputed to her the wrongs of her enemies, and thus brought these latter to
    stand more closely by our side… So
    much so, that we are now witnessing to our greatest satisfaction, rebellions
    against the Church in several countries… We have turned her clergy into
    objects of hatred and ridicule, we have subjected them to the contempt of the
    crowd… We have caused the practice of the Catholic religion to be considered
    out of date and a mere waste of time. “And the Gentiles, in their
    stupidity, have proved easier dupes than we expected them to be. One would expect more intelligence and more
    practical common sense, but they are no better than a herd of sheep. Let them
    graze in our fields till they become fat enough to be worthy of being immolated
    to our future King of the World.

    “We have founded many secret
    associations, which all work for our purpose, under our orders and our
    direction. We have made it an honour, a great honour, for the Gentiles to join
    us in our organizations, which are, thanks to our gold, flourishing now more
    than ever. Yet it remains our secret that those Gentiles who betray their own
    and most precious interests, by joining us in our plot should never know that
    these associations are of our creation and that they serve our purpose…
    “One of the many triumphs of our Freemasonry is that those Gentiles who
    become members of our Lodges, should never suspect that we are using them to
    build their own jails, upon whose terraces we shall erect the throne of our
    Universal King of Israel; and should never know that we are commanding them to
    forge the chains of their own servility to our future King of the World.

    “So far, we have considered our
    strategy in our attacks upon the Catholic Church from the outside. But this is not all. Let us now explain how we have gone further
    in our work, to hasten the ruin of the Catholic Church, and how we have
    penetrated into her most intimate circles, and brought even some of her Clergy to
    become pioneers of our cause. “Apart altogether from the influence of our
    philosophy, we have taken other steps to secure a breach in the Catholic
    Church. Let me explain how this has been
    done. “We have induced some of our children to join the Catholic body,
    with the explicit intimation that they should work in a still more efficient
    way for the disintegration of the Catholic Church, by creating scandals within
    her. We have thus followed the advice of
    our Prince of the Jews, who so wisely said: ‘Let some of your children become
    canons, so that they may destroy the Church’.
    Unfortunately, not all among the ‘convert’ Jews have proved faithful to
    their mission. Many of them have even betrayed us! But, on the other hand, others have kept
    their promise and honoured their word.
    Thus the counsel of our Elders has proved successful.

    “We are the Fathers of all Revolutions
    – even of those which sometimes happen to turn against us. We are the supreme Masters of Peace and
    War. We can boast of being the Creators
    of the REFORMATION! Calvin was one of
    our Children; he was of Jewish descent, and was entrusted by Jewish authority
    and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the Reformation.
    “Martin Luther yielded to the influence of his Jewish friends, and again,
    by Jewish authority and with Jewish finance, his plot against the Catholic
    Church met with success…

    Are you going to be one of those stupid Gentiles that continue to go against yourself and build your own jails?

  • Barry Duke

    You’re banned. For trolling. And being incredibly boring.

  • Pofarmer

    Right, you just go with that.

    https://slate.com/human-interest/2017/04/how-the-catholic-priesthood-became-a-haven-for-many-gay-men.html

    How about we get the info from other priests then?

    Or maybe we could get the info from the U.S. Council of Catholic Bishops?

    Would that be O.K.?

    The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ National Review Board reported that “certain homosexual men appear to have been attracted to the priesthood because they mistakenly viewed the requirement of celibacy as a means of avoiding struggles with their sexual identities.” As gay former-priest Christopher Schiavone put it, “I thought I would never need to tell another person my secret, because celibacy would make it irrelevant.”

    It’s not as if the church is unaware of this issue. A past president of the USCCB complained about an “ongoing struggle to make sure that the Catholic priesthood is not dominated by homosexual men.” And Pope Benedict once said that homosexuality in the priesthood was “one of the miseries of the church” and that the church needed to “head off a situation where the celibacy of priests would practically end up being identified with the tendency to homosexuality.

    Moron.

  • Bruce Gorton

    Science, logic, and reason supports the fact that there has to be a God…

    Contradicts

    Science (determination through observation) cannot explain the existence of life

    If science supported “the fact that there has to be a God”, then science would have an explanation for the existence of life – namely that God.

    As science does not use God as an explanation for the origin of life, it does not in fact support the idea that there has to be a God.

    As to energy – quantum physicists seem to have observed otherwise.

  • Bruce Gorton

    He is in fact, a convicted pedophile. You appear to have a reading comprehension problem, as it states in the article:

    In a book published last year, journalist Louise Milligan wrote that Pell was accused by two former choir boys of sexual abuse while he was archbishop of Melbourne in the 1990s. The boys sang in the choir at St Patrick’s cathedral and were allegedly abused by Pell in a room in the confines of the church.

    This appears to be the crime that he has been convicted of. The accusations you are talking about are still to be heard in a separate trial.

  • I am relieved this bastard is going down in flames! The RCC knew of the details and they kept it well hidden. When will the world wake up and see it is a criminal organization that hides itself under the guise of do gooders?

  • Kelly H

    So, like the “The Reformation was started by Jewish infiltrators” thing makes some kind of sense, but blaming the sexual abuse scandal on infiltrators would require nearly the whole priesthood to be infiltrators, since the entire hierarchy has been involved the cover-ups that are the real scandal.
    (also, if that anti-Semitic crypto-Jew thing was true: the RCC brought it on itself with the whole “convert or die” thing)

  • Jeremy Warner

    settle down spaz

  • Jeremy Warner

    Absolutely brilliant !! Kudos.

  • Jeremy Warner

    HAHAHA!!! you got banned…and these guys rarely ban anyone!! What a special kind of joker!! 😀 😀 😀

  • Broga

    Thanks Jeremy.

  • Mustafa Curtess

    Will Pell’s confessor be prosecuted as accessory-after-the-fact, or will Pell go to purgatory?

  • Andrew Collins

    Firstly, the Southwell investigation was organised for and paid for by the Catholic Church, thus negating its supposed independence. It should have been the police investigating. It was a pretend trial set up by the church to make it look like a proper trial. But regardless, Southwell actually said that both parties appeared to be telling the truth and that he was unable to say what happened either way. Pell said that he was exonerated but that is not what happened.
    Secondly, you state that Wilson was exonerated. Once again, that is not right. The first judge made his ruling based on the assumption that a reasonable person would have reported the crime and taken action to stop a child being sexually abused. The defence argued that Wilson thought that a person should only be presumed to have done something if they had been convicted or had confessed. In other words, his definition of what constituted a reasonable person was not the same as the judge. Based on this, the conviction was overturned. So it was on pure legal terminology that he walked free.You should ask yourself, what sort of a person hears that children are being sexually abused and does nothing? Wilson did not notify police, knowing that it was always illegal to rape and sexually abuse children. He did nothing to protect the children, or to get them help. He did not inform parents. He did not take action to remove the offender and keep them away from children. Either he is immoral and evil, or he knew full well and decided to protect the offenders and the reputation of the church. Perhaps Donohue should stop focussing on the strict application of the law and ask what sort of a person knows a child is being raped and does nothing. Surely a religious leader would not do this, and society would hold them to a higher standard. Wilson is clearly immoral and evil, and has never apologised.

  • Andrew Collins

    Seeing as Hell is just a construct of the church, and god could refer to any of the 5000 or so gods that man has or does worship (none of which have ever had any proof that they exist), then it is simple. To hate something, it must exist. You will not be able to prove your god exists any more than any of the other gods. Nobody could prove that Thor existed or was a god. Its not a matter of faith as man had great faioth that all of the other 5000 gods existed, and there were religious texts all supposedly the word of god. You can’t hate that which is only an idea in the minds of men. And as for hell, there is no proof that there is a hell, a heaven or any of the other places that any religion has ever spoken of. Much better to just live your life as if it is the only one we have, and to make this earth our heaven.

  • Andrew Collins

    Exactly! and even though the Pope said that all clergy who had been accused of abusing children would be stood down during any investigations, why hasnt Pell been stood down? He has even been found guilty and is still the Vatican treasurer!! So by that logic, if the pope dies today, Pell could potentially become the next pope!

  • Teto85
  • Contractions of Fate

    I came across this song accidentally when surfing YouTube a few days ago! I LOVE this guy! All Pope-Protected Pedos should take note.

    Fuck the Mother Fucker is another good one.

    >:8o