Arab Christians riot in Israel over crucified Ronald McDonald

Arab Christians riot in Israel over crucified Ronald McDonald January 13, 2019

An artwork people are calling ‘McJesus’ sparked a riot on Friday after it was exhibited at the Haifa Museum of Art.

Hundreds of Arab Christian demonstrators clashed with police, and three cops were reportedly injured by rock-hurling demonstrators demanding that the piece depicting Ronald McDonald, the mascot of the fast-food giant, be removed.

So angry were the protesters that a molotov cocktail was hurled at the museum.

Created by Finnish artist Janei Leinonen, the crucified Ronald McDonald forms part of a “Sacred Goods” display the Haifa museum. Among those who branded it as “offensive to Christians” was the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate in Jerusalem, Theophilos III.

Theophilos III, via YouTube, and ‘McJesus’ courtesy of the Haifa Museum of Art

Police said a few hundred protesters tried to force their way into the Haifa Museum of Art during the demonstration. An investigation was opened to identify the rock-throwers, and a 32-year-old resident of the city was arrested on suspicion of attacking officers.

One of the protesters complained that the government was slow to react to their concerns because they were from the Christian minority.

If they put up [a sculpture of] Hitler with a Torah scroll they would immediately respond.

Ahead of the protest, police deployed officers from its Special Patrol Unit to guard the museum after the molotov cocktail was thrown at the museum on Thursday.

The show also features a number of other pieces depicting Jesus, including one of him as a “Ken” doll, as well as imagery from other religions.

On Thursday, Culture Minister Miri Regev sent Haifa Museum director Nissim Tal a letter calling for the sculpture’s removal.

Disrespect of religious symbols sacred to many worshipers in the world as an act of artistic protest is illegitimate and cannot serve as art at a cultural institution supported by state funds.

In response to Friday’s protest, the Haifa Museum said Tal agreed during a meeting with church leaders and officials from the Haifa Municipality to put up a sign at the entrance to the exhibit explaining it contains potentially offensive content.

The museum also condemned the throwing of the molotov cocktail and said any objection to the piece must not be expressed violently.

A discourse about art, however complex it may be, must not spill over into violent territory and must be respected – even in charged situations.

The Greek Orthodox Patriarchate called on the Haifa Municipality to remove the paintings and sculptures that it said were offensive to Christians and demanded an apology for sponsoring such an event.

No one should offend others under the pretext of freedom of expression.

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  • Arab Christians? How is their ethnicity relevant here?

  • Broga

    Nailing the emaciated figure of Jesus, by his wrists and ankles, in front of thousands of churches is just fine. But not this sculpture. If the protests were against the spread of the plague of McDonalds, Kentucky Fried Chicken and Coca Cola I would have some sympathy.

  • larry parker

    Do you want fries with that?

  • lawrence090469

    Wouldn’t the Burger King be more appropriate for this artwork?

  • Freodin

    “Disrespect of religious symbols sacred to many worshipers in the world as an act of artistic protest is illegitimate and cannot serve as art at a cultural institution supported by state funds.”

    No. Reactions like this is EXACTLY why such an “act of artistic protest” is legitimate and needs to be supported.

  • Graham Heron

    Ronald McDonald on a cross?
    Doesn’t usually take 3 days for a Big Mac to rise up.

    Long live BurgerKing.

    Fun fact. Grand Cayman has no MacDonald fast food restaurant. Happens to be a regular restaurant already called MacDonalds, so protectionism kicks in. We have Wendys, BK, Popeye, KFC.

  • No one should offend others under the pretext of freedom of expression.

    Then we should all take vows of silence, as, at least in USA, it is impossible not to offend people. In addition, if people avoided offending others in previous generations, black people would still be going to “Separate, Yet Equal” (TM) facilities; in fact, we’d still have slavery!

    The thing is that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights guarantees many human rights; the “right” to be protected from offense is nowhere to be mentioned. However, some of the rights guaranteed are offensive to some people. (Example: article 18 guarantees the right to “change one’s religion, conscience, and belief”; many religious people find apostasy offensive.)

    So, I see this display as freedom of expression, and, based on my knowledge of human rights, this includes the right to “blaspheme” any religion. (Also note: anti-blasphemy laws and taboos are often used against religious minorities, and even against dissenters of the same religion.)

    Also note: I *am* a Christian.

  • larry parker

    I don’t know about rising up, but it takes three days to digest, which could be called a resurrection, metaphorically.

  • Graham Heron

    Not so much Passover, but more pass through perhaps?

  • Anat

    I think the point is to say they are a local population with deep local roots rather than tourists, pilgrims etc.

  • larry parker

    BigMac goes in, BigMac goes out. Nobody can explain it. ; )

  • Barros Serrano

    in reality they are people who were already Christians before the Arab conquest, and were Arabized by it.

    Most of the people of the Levant and Mesopotamia are not in reality of Arab ancestry, but are indigenous. They often retain their indigenous ethnicity: Aramaean, Assyrian, Chaldean. People who accepted conversion to Islam also accepted Arabic identity and language. This is a problematic issue in many countries, where adopting “Arab” ethnicity confers social advantages, to the detriment of the native cultures, such as in the case of the Amazighen (Berbers) in the Maghreb.

    In Israel this is complicated by the adoption of the concocted ethnicity “Palestinian”, invented by Hajj Amin al-Husseini in the 1920’s to use as a weapon against the Zionists, by pretending there was an indigenous nation on that land, rather than simply an assortment of “Arabs” of various Levantine and Arabian origins.

    People today are generally unaware that before the Arabs arrived, most of the populations of today’s Israel, Lebanon, Syria and northern Iraq were Christians.

  • Graham Heron

    Religions are full of burger all.

  • Jim Jones

    I note the Barbies. ISTR a Bondage Barbie which really upset Mattel.

  • Jack Hoft

    nobody should feel so comfortable with being offended by the free expression of others. It is surely a sign of delusion.

  • Jack Hoft

    nobody should feel this comfortable in being offended with the free expression of others. it is surely a sign of delusion and an unhealthy sense of self importance.

  • Cali Ron

    WTF. “No one should offend others under the pretext of freedom of expression.” Translation: religions don’t believe in or support freedom of expression. So join a religion and become a slave to their ideology or free yourself from mental slavery.
    I’m free.

  • Cali Ron

    Your logic seems intact on this matter, so why are you a follower of superstition?

  • Cali Ron

    Consider yourself lucky, McDonald’s barely qualifies as food in my book.

  • Cali Ron

    Fun fact, the crusaders slaughtered thousands of Christians. Apparently Arabic Christian’s just were not worthy like the white Christian’s. Spreading jesus love all over the middle east.

  • Some guy

    Ahem, “accessories” sold separately, I presume?

  • Some guy

    When I first saw the picture, I figured this was a “Laughing in Disbelief” post.

  • Barros Serrano

    They were not “Arabic” Christians! They’d been there, and been Christians, before the Arabs arrived!

    The Islamic forces slaughtered, enslaved and raped Christians by the thousands. The original justification for the Crusades was legitimate, to rescue the Christians of the Levant from this extensive maltreatment.

    We are treated to a fairy tale about how Richard Coeur de Léon and Saladin were buddies, honorable gentlemen, and all that, but in fact they were both bloody butchers.

    Also the Europeans in those days were not racist. The Crusaders killed a number of very white Christians in Constantinople and elsewere, and also it is a misconception to think that the Mideasterners were so different from the Europeans that “race” would have mattered. Much of European ancestry derives from the Mideast, and various peoples had already run over the Mideast, including Persians, Greeks and Romans.

    It is not always safe to extrapolate from our modern view of things and peoples to the situation 1000 years ago. The main point I was making is that the Christians of the region being called “Christian Arabs” descended from Christians who did NOT see themselves as Arabs, as Arabs in fact were their oppressors.

  • David Peebles

    I’m not at all bothered by insults to religious beliefs and icons. Look at all the people who get insulted for who they are or for their beliefs: atheists, liberals, progressives (and yes, conservatives), LGBTQ people, etc. Let the religious suck it up like the rest of us do. I’m offended that religions claim some sort of special consideration, yet are unwilling to reciprocate in kind.

  • David Peebles

    There is a small town in Washington, Anacortes, that supposedly has no MacDonalds because of a town ordinance against giant golden arches. But I can’t vouch for this. May be just an urban legend.

  • Barros Serrano

    In the West people are familiar with the 2 great oppressive imperialist cult religions, Christianity and Islam, and use them to characterize “religion”.

    But not all religions are like that. Hinduism and Buddhism notably lack the cultural repression and imperialist imperative of the 2 Western “faiths”.

    There is no enforced ideology in Hinduism, no doctrinal obligations, no hostility toward those with a different path. You do not see wars between Vaishnava and Shaivist Hindus as we do between Catholics and Protestants, Shia and Sunni.

  • EllyR

    There are so few like him that they should be considered endangered species…

  • Barros Serrano

    Is that to make some point intellectually, or simply that you desire to offend Jews?

    I would suggest that both the Bible and Koran are problematic, but the Talmud, a religious book carried by powerless displaced people for centuries, simply does not have the historical notoriety of those 2.

  • Mythblaster

    WTF? It’s not like Jesus was the only dude ever nailed to a cross. Dismas and Gestas were supposedly right there with him…

  • Barros Serrano

    In fact the Romans crucified a lot of “rabble-rousers” from Galilee. Jesus was firmly in that tradition: Galilean preachers who offended the Romans.

  • Barros Serrano

    Spelling: menorah

    Why insult the menorah, either? What is the point?

    It sounds like you are just looking for ways to offend Jews. Given the rampant widespread evil perpetrated on earth by Christians and Moslems, why would you even notice the Jews?

    How about an art piece consisting of a toilet with a Koran in mid-flush… would that be ok with you?

  • CuriousCat

    (((Kevin))) is probably more agnostic and just tired of religious dogma, hypocrisy and alchemy of the truth?

  • CuriousCat

    This is now my favorite piece of art this year… To me it represents all the fake evangelists living like rock stars off of their “flock” justifying airplanes, mansions, gold watches,and Armani suits as blessing from God. Get your religion of convenience while it’s still hot… Ask for frys without salt so you can get them fresh. Sponsered by Jesus. Amen

  • CuriousCat

    “Given the rampant widespread evil perpetrated on earth by Christians and Moslems, why would you even notice the Jews?” I though the old testament was the precursor to the creation of the whole Christian and Muslim debacle? Doesn’t this put the jews in charge as creators of it all. I’m confused.

  • Barros Serrano

    So… when Christians or Moslems behave badly, it’s the Jews’ fault?

    Oh right, that’s not antisemitic at all…

    And neither Christianity nor Islam is equivalent to Judaism. Arab imperialism was motivated by greed, like all imperialism.

    What you state is roughly equivalent to the Medieval “blood libel”… to put it simply, essentially it means blame the Jews for whatever you like… the weather, diseases, whatever.

  • CuriousCat

    Why are you so invested in selling this? I was educated through all your other comments. Why do you correct a spelling of ‘menorah’ but Muslim you change to ‘Moslem’ ?

  • CuriousCat

    I’m not interested in a here to there battle with you. If you comment on an athiest forum you should assume no one cares which religion is best.

  • Barros Serrano

    And I am not arguing that any religion is best. I’m simply stating the facts about the Abrahamic, so-called, religions. If you incorrectly ascribe to Judaism the tendencies observed in Christianity and Islam, as you have done, then I will correct you with the facts.

    For the record I’m pagan and don’t really worry much about Judaism, Christianity or Islam. I do, however, object to any persecution of their practitioners, such as the Arab campaign to destroy Israel, the dispossession of Christians in Syria and Lebanon, the abuse of Moslems in Myanmar, etc.

  • Barros Serrano

    I’m selling nothing. I am stating historical facts. “Moslem” is a conventional spelling, until recent years widely used in English to mean “Islamic”. It is a transcription of an Arabic word. How do you spell the name of their Prophet? Mahomet? Muhammad? Same problem… we’re transcribing a foreign word.

    I’m aware of no alternate spelling of menorah. And its use in art in the same manner crucifixes have been used is not analogous. Judaism has no symbols looming over us, no enforced orthodoxy, as Christianity and Islam do. As I grew up in the U$A I am very well aware of how the Cross and other Christian symbols and concepts have been used to oppress. Yet never have I seen Judaism used in that way. Making an “art” piece with a menorah in piss would simply be antisemitic.

    It is frankly alarming that so many jump so quickly on any empty lame excuse to demonize Jews, deny their identity, blame them for things others do… what is up with this tendency in the West and in Islamic societies? I similarly wonder in the U$A why so many whites hate black people. It is not rational. It is pathological in fact.

  • Steven Watson

    And before the Christians rocked up in Palestine, they were Jewish; and before the Hasmoneans conquered Palestine outside Yehud, they were Philistines and Samaritans. The lot of ’em want to knock it in the head, realise their common humanity, that they are one another, and that their only ‘enemy’ is ‘god’.

  • Steven Watson

    They’ve got that arse about: state funds shouldn’t be propping up religions. I’d say this display was ‘satire’ not ‘art’ but still cultural artefacts worthy of subsidy.

  • CuriousCat

    Can you please define ‘pagan’. As you view it?
    As in Norse mythology?
    Can you please help me to understand why Isreal are kicking the black people out? Offering them money to leave?

    I am of the opinion that no one owns the land and we are all human. You know who else idolized their country so much they would die to protect and expand it?
    As a pagan I would of thought you would know that the land actually owns us and we owe it.
    Thay why I’m interested in your definition of what a pagan is?

  • Steven Watson

    Those ‘powerless displaced people’ are wagging the ruddy dog at the moment!

  • Steven Watson

    Their Big Book is just one long tawdry hymnal of genocidal pornography, you’re being a numptie.

  • Steven Watson

    Never mind burgers! Bacon butties all around. Num num num!

  • Steven Watson

    Fuck that and the horse it rode in on. We have a real problem with Hindus and caste in the UK. You are talking bollocks.

  • Barros Serrano

    The definition of pagan is well-known and refers to non-Abrahamic religions.

    No one owns the land… and do you apply that to everyone? Turkey owns a lot of Armenian land… China rules over Tibetan land. People have land on which they live, and are connected to it. Which nation of people would not defend their land against outsiders? You think only Nazis do that? So… everyone on earth is a Nazi, is that what you’re saying?

    I really don’t need to be told by you what paganism is, especially when all you’re attempting is to malign Israel with bogus definitions.

    Oh the land owns us so the Israelis are evil? When you find a people who does not identify with their land, let me know, ok? And do not pretend that your application of all these judgments ONLY against Israel is not antisemitic. It is. Check yourself.

  • Barros Serrano

    Have you read the Koran?

    If you wish to call me names, boy, do it in person. I’m near Charlottesville. Come in chanting “Jews will not replace us,” and leave crying.

  • Steven Watson

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’d say “Come and ‘Ave a Go If You Think You’re ‘Ard Enough.”; but since I’m English in England and have not a clue where Charlottesville is beyond three or four thousand miles vaguely west of me, I’d be being a prat myself.

    Yes Grandad, I’ve read the Coran. It is even more genocidally evil garblage; The Book of Moron likewise; and I could give a stuff for your ‘feelz’ or Nazis for that matter. Very silly people you shouldn’t be bigging up and monstering. It only feeds their pathetic fantasies of being something. You(pl.) don’t need to “replace” them; you (The Zionazi minority of a largley sensible and cultured people) already ARE them. You have met the “Enemy” and it is you.

  • CuriousCat

    Na Barros, look after your self. Be careful not to trap yourself in your own ideology, the one you try to trap others in. You accuse me of being racist but you have no problem with Netanyahu’s troubling right wing and nationalist policies. completely brushed over my question which shows you are the one with an agenda, that has a weak basis at best. When the Jewish religion admits it stole it’s religious text from older religions, almost verbatim, that the jews were never in Egypt, all the efficacy of the other religions will unravel and there will be peace in the Middle East and the rest of the world.

  • Sophotroph

    I love how you think that if you just accuse everyone else of being Nazis first, you get to be one and nobody can call you on it.

    I have to hand it to you. You really found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of defeat.

  • Barros Serrano

    Well lucky for you, little boy, because spewing your Nazi filth in my presence would get you injured. Not in any way from which you’d recover in a month. I hate racists like you sufficiently that your pain makes me happy. Crack! oh $hit that one won’t be healing soon…

    No, boy, Israel is the nation of the Jewish people, and most of them support its existence. You, from a country guilty of extensive racist abuse of Jewish people, should shut your stinking mouth.

    Charlottesville is in Virginia, moron. It’s where the white-right (your Yank brethren) rallied in 2017, ran over a woman with a car, etc. Around here your ilk is not very popular.

    If y’all put Corbyn in office, we’ll start boycotting the UK.

  • Barros Serrano

    Shut it, halfwit.

    By defending Jews against antisemites, I am a Nazi? That’s the way logic works for you, boy?

    Who is defeated pertinent to me? Israel continues to win against the terrorist subhumans who try to destroy it. Here in the U$A we are about to watch Trumpolini go down, another win for my side.

    Nazi antisemites like you cannot win, because I among others find out who you are and take action. I’m tracking them right now in this area and they are going to suffer for their evil.

    Unlike you I don’t hide online spewing dysfunctional hatred… I take ACTION against evil.

    And you, you piece of feces, are evil.

  • Barros Serrano

    You’re a liar. I have a lot of problems with Netanyahu. I like Labour in Israel, not Likud. My ideology? I’m a progressive Democrat.

    Jews stole their religious texts? lol… really that’s almost comical. No, moron, it is Christianity and Islam which took scripture from the Jewish texts.

    There is considerable proof for their sojourn in Egypt. In any case, none of that is your business. You are simply another misguided subhuman antisemitic Jew-hating psychopath, and will be treated accordingly. You of course hide online, but locally I am tracking antisemitism and action will be taken. It will be very amusing watching the local antisemites cry. I’ve taken similar action before against racists in California, and it is VERY entertaining!

    Especially when they’re business owners; it is so easy to wreck their lives.

  • Barros Serrano

    Meaning they have their country free and independent and successfully defend themselves against the racist Arabonazis who seek to destroy it?

    Jews are only acceptable to you, apparently, if they’re being tossed into ovens. Well, so sorry, but they are not going to return to that powerlessness so that you will feel better about the world, boy.

  • Barros Serrano

    Caste is being abolished in India. You have no problem with Hindus in the UK other than your own racism, boy. It is not Hindus kidnapping English girls for sex slavery. It is, no surprise, the Moslems.

    It is a fact that Hindus and Buddhists are rarely the cause of wars or outrages… nope, it’s the Christians and Moslems ravaging the world. Look at the history of UK and U$A, read a few chapters, then perhaps you’ll get this.

    Another big problem you have in the UK is bigoted arsewipes like you, schmuck.

  • Barros Serrano

    yep, that’s Christians and Moslems for ya…

    Now excuse me, I’m drawing a cartoon of Mohammed humping a goat.

  • CuriousCat

    The only psychopath here is you and you gigantic ego. I know see what type of person you are. It didn’t take much to bring out the wrotten soul you have. I’d like you to note that not once did I swear at you or accuse you of anything that you did not say yourself. I took interest in what you were saying but it’s clear that you are just a grand standing social justice warrior. Good luck with that buddy… I hope it makes you happy.

  • Sophotroph

    Aaaand now the police are involved. Good luck, idiot.

  • Barros Serrano

    I have a gigantic ego? Translation: you cannot deal with the facts I present. Boo hoo.

    Lots of name-calling in there, little boy. Obviously you’re piqued at being called out. Sorry, antisemitism doesn’t get a pass around me.

    You talk crap and I correct you. You accused me of liking Bibi, yet I do not and think he is a criminal. See how ignorant you are, schmuck?

    Got any debate or argument? Make it. Otherwise, if you’re only going to insult like a petulant 8th-grade boy, then come do it in person.

  • Steven Watson

    Hindutva. look it up.
    I’m aware that Muslims get away with atrocities for misguided fears of the authorities being painted as “Islamophobes”, whatever that is supposed to mean. It doesn’t mean I have to overlook the abuses in and of other communities or buy into their self-serving mythologies and propaganda, tah very much.
    Up thread you rant about “terrorist sub-humans.” That language wasn’t acceptable from Jo Goebbels and it isn’t acceptable from you. Please go channel your inner Obergruppenführer somewhere else.

  • Barros Serrano

    Don’t condescend to me, boy. I know very well what is Hindutva. Some of the policies associated with that are good, some are bigoted.

    Terrorists ARE subhumans! I am not refering to any “race” or ethnicity. Terrorists are subhuman. Fascists are subhuman. That is what I think. Serial killers are subhuman, too. So what?

    Compare me to Goebbels in person, boy, and I’ll hurt you. I am a progressive Democrat and hate all fascists, notably Nazis and jihadis.

    Now come talk smack to me in person, or go channel your inner coward somewhere else, little schmuck.

  • Barros Serrano

    Israel is a free country. The govt isn’t supporting anything to do with this piece of art. They are simply allowing free expression to occur in Israel, as is common in most democratic societies.

    Do you also maintain that the Danish govt was “supporting” the anti-Mohammed cartoon which caused such a furor a few years ago? Nope, I’m quite sure the Danish govt was supporting FREE EXPRESSION.

    So, yes, you’re wrong. Israel supports freedom. Such a contrast to the surrounding nations which are all essentially Islamofascist.

  • Barros Serrano

    lol… you should worry more about the agencies to whom your id has been forwarded, due to your antisemitism and likely terrorist proclivities.

    You pathetic little mindless punk. Yes, I take action against antisemites. And you just confirmed your allegiance to them, boy. Are you offended that I dirty-trick antisemites? Good…. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF you.

  • Steven Watson

    As if. Deranged frothings from four thousand miles away really impress. How old are you anyway? Fifteen and trapped in your Mums basement wouldn’t surprise me. Not very mature and in thrall to raging hormones. Grow up.

  • Barros Serrano

    Trying to trace all the ancestry of modern peoples from that region to the ancient peoples would be very complicated. There are Jews who trace to Edomites, “Arabs” who were Jews, and so on.

    The most constant people there are the Jews. Philistines, Edomites, Moabites, Canaanites, etc., no longer exist as ethnic groups. Their descendants are in different ethnicities today. But the Jews remain… the ONLY ones still there from ancient times except for Samaritans, I think.

    DNA has revealed that most of the Lebanese are in fact Canaanites, and also Phoenicians (same people really). But they no longer identify as such. The only peoples in the “Arab” countries of the Mideast who retain their original ethnicity are the Christians who resisted Islamicization: Chaldeans, Assyrians, Aramaeans. Most of the “Arabs” surrounding them are the same as them, but converted to Islam and Arab identity.

    Human culture is always complicated, never simple. But in all of this certain ethnic groups remain, and they deserve their independence. That includes JEWS and it includes KURDS, among many others.

  • Barros Serrano

    No, boy, the childish coward is YOU spewing cheap insults, lacking the intelligence or facts to construct a proper debate.

    If you lived down the road I’d say the same thing. Don’t condescend to me, punk. You want to spew bigotry you’ll get confronted, that’s how it goes.

    Now sit down and shut up until you have something non-bigoted to say. Sort yourself out, as y’all say over there.

  • CuriousCat

    Awww, you accuse everyone you talk to about being antisemitic. Shame, I wonder if you have any friends? It’s OK Barros I’ll be your friend. I’ll just look past your bad side and accept you for who you are. That what friends are for.

  • Barros Serrano

    I am not a friend to antisemites, sorry.

    As long as you’re denying an entire people the right to their country… you’re one of the PROBLEMS in this world.

  • CuriousCat

    So you don’t agree with everything Israel is doing at the moment, but everyone else who holds a view against Isreal is an antisemite? That is a very interesting position you maintain with such grace and eloquence. I hope to be as amazing and infallible as yourself one day. Anyway B you still talking to me, so I still have faith in our friendship. I can’t wait to have fun, with you, destroying people’s lives that disagree with us in the slightest, together, C.

  • Barros Serrano

    Don’t smartass me, boy, unless you’re prepared to do it in person.

    I’m criticizing people in here whose view of Israel is racist. They’re denying Jewish identity, the right for Israel to exist, etc., and not a word against the Arabonazi terrorists bent on killing every Jew they can.

    in the slightest? No.. I mess with people who are very overt RACISTS, and that includes antisemites. Since you are one, of course you find that objectionable. Unlike you, mamby pamby milquetoast fence-sitting do-nothing, I take action against evil.

    Get a real argument or shut up, little incel.

  • CuriousCat

    Fascinating B, so you are aa pagan methodist super hero of sorts. Do you have a cape and a mask? I fear it would be very hard for us to meet but I’d like to, what do you have in mind I like go-carting but we can do what you like too . Incel, that’s one of the lesser things you have called me, I really feel our relationship warming up now B. What else do you do besides save the world, as in hobbies and such? Do you like sushi perhaps. What music do you like?

  • Barros Serrano

    Fascinating, so you’re a pissy little flame warrior with nothing to say. Have you no testicles, boy? Talk to me in person. In here we’re supposed to be discussing issues. I correctly identified a number of you as antisemitic and so I get this blitz of piss-contest posts.

    Smartass me to my face, incel. Charlottesville VA, boy. Bring your Tiki torch, I’m sure you have them in stock.

    What do I like? I like it when racists die. Go take the hint. Slice that vein lengthwise this time, none of that sissy crosswise nonsense.

  • CuriousCat

    The order, choice and color of your words is breath taking, are you a poet B? I’m actually a white south African that now lives, married, in Berlin.. I spent 6 months with mostly Islamic people, learning German in an integration course and yes I admit I had a very narrow view of them and boy was I wrong. My views are with abrahamic religion, as anyone with any logic can see, are a bunch of made up stories designed to control people through fear, prejudice and people’s natural inclination towards well as stories stolen from older religions, almost verbatim with just the names changed. It’s not my fault that Israel’s only claim to the land is based on some old scrolls, the Arabian claim aswell.. That also, interestingly, the basis for fundamental Christians in the USA who also live as bigots and masogonists with lesson fron the old testament. I live with some pretty far left people in a commune. If I was a nazi I would of been vilified a long time ago… Most of them, thank God are atheists..good luck with the nazi hunting… Fuck nazi’s… In the words of Propagandhi “Aryan-Nations and Hammerskins: you can wear my nuts on your nazi chins!” you should read up on logical fallacies. You may be able to then have more meaningful debated in which you grow as a person. Peace.

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  • Sophotroph

    Do you really think nobody has figured out your schtick yet? You’re an intolerant miscreant who hides his bigotry by calling everybody else bigots first.

    That got old in junior high. We’re used to a higher quality of trolling here. Please take pains to improve your technique, or I fear the boredom will overtake us and we’ll have to do something productive rather than fart around on the internet.

  • Sophotroph

    Would you stop parading your weakness around for everybody to see? It’s cringey and embarassing.

    You’re not going to beat up anybody. You’re on the internet, you walking brain tumor.

  • Gary Whittenberger

    These Arab Christians are very similar to the Muslims who became violent in response to cartoons they considered to be blasphemous. They all think they have a right to not be offended by the speech or art of others.

  • Barros Serrano

    No, I do not need a lesson in logic, thanks anyway.

    What you’re missing about my use of the term “Nazi” is that I’m referring to the antisemitism. Today antisemitism is as intense on the Left as on the Right. To be diametrically opposed to Aryan Nations types does not equal being a non-antisemite.

    The USSR was nearly as antisemitic as Nazi Germany. Far Left and far Right, on that issue they come together.

    Your comments on religion I think I agree with, largely. I always give Judaism an exemption from some of that criticism as they do not force it on others, don’t proselytize, etc., however if you get around ultra-orthodox Jews, oy gevalt they’re nuts.

    You’ll grow as a person if you stop thinking that because you’re on the Left you’re immune from criticisms of antisemitism. Likewise, just because you find legitimate complaints about Israel policy (and there are many) doesn’t justify all the anti-Israel crap emanating from the Left.

    Antisemitism: pretending the Jews aren’t legitimately descended from Hebrews, pretending Israel is not legitimate, pretending that Israel came in committing apartheid against the poor pristine blameless oppressed Arabs, supporting a boycott of the entire Israeli state when at least 2/3 of the nations on earth are far WORSE… THAT is antisemitism. Claiming that Israel taking territory during a defensive war, for self-defense, is “occupation” but not mentioning the OCCUPATIONS of Tibet, Crimea, North Abkhazia, the entire Mayan nation, etc., etc.

    Do you get it? Netanyahu is clearly a corrupt criminal delusional screw-up, but that doesn’t mean I won’t be enjoying some Sabra hummus later on… Anyone supporting BDS I consider tantamount to a Nazi.

  • Barros Serrano

    That is Gibril giving Mohamhead the Koran, I presume…

    in reality, he was a schizophrenic hallucinating in a cave

  • Barros Serrano

    You’re just another coward insulting online. I invite you to speak thusly to my face. Who is the coward? You spewing cheap insults from behind your keyboard, or me telling you that I welcome you to be rude to my face?

    The answer is obvious, little nutless coward. Now put up or shut up.

  • Barros Serrano

    And against whom am I bigoted? I call you out on 1) your antisemitism, and 2) your abject cowardice. so who’s the troll, boy?

    If you can’t handle facts, then go real Marvel Comics. If you have some argument against the facts I present, then make it. if you are only an ego-hurt “whiny little bitxh”, then stop wasting space, and shut up.

    Are you even making an argument about anything, or simply expressing your angst at being confronted by superior intelligence? Obviously, the latter.

    Now go work on your antisemitic mental problems.

  • Cali Ron

    The original justification for the Crusades was legitimate,…”You are more deluded than I realized. Seek professional help.

  • Barros Serrano

    Watch your mouth, boy, unless you’re prepared to risk saying insulting crap to me in person, coward.

    Yes, the original Crusade was justified. It was to save the Christians of the Levant from the severe abuse they were suffering at Islamic hands. Obviously you know no history, so how about shutting up?

    You are one of those idiotic dupes of Arab propaganda who think that the Levant is legitimately “Arab land” when in fact they were the conquering oppressors! Oh but you think only white Christians can be the bad guys, right, little dweeb?

    The Arabs were enslaving, mass raping, massacring… against both Christians and Jews, but mostly Christians. Pope Urban II was responding to calls for help from those people.

    WHY would you think the Arabs have the right to conquer and oppress all those people? You sick racist piece of dung.