Did a Conservative MP just blame God for cocking up Brexit?

Did a Conservative MP just blame God for cocking up Brexit? March 14, 2019
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FOR the life of me I cannot understand what Christian Member of Parliament Dame Caroline Spelman, above, meant when she was reported today as saying ‘I have to believe that God is in control, because it [Brexit] is a very chaotic situation and it’s distressing.’

That quote appears in a report that Christian MPs from across the political divide have been defending a potential delay to the Brexit process.

Spelman added:

This doesn’t feel like a very normal situation, and it isn’t. So when you’re in a crisis, you just have to pray that God is sovereign and he has his hand on this, though I can’t see the outworking of this. My prayer is that the right outcome will be arrived at.

Earlier this month Minister Theresa May, vicar’s daughter and a member of the Crutch Church of England said she was pressing on with her now twice-rejected Brexit deal because of her faith in God.

Tonight, according to the BBC, MPs voted by 412 to 202 for Prime Minister Theresa May to ask the EU for a delay to Brexit. It means the UK may not now leave on 29 March as previously planned.

May says Brexit could be delayed by three months, to 30 June, if MPs back her withdrawal deal in a vote next week.

If they reject her deal again then she says she will seek a longer extension – but any delay has to be agreed by the 27 other EU member states.

Meanwhile the Great Trumpkin, who boosts the value of Bibles by autographing the things, said he was surprised at how badly the negotiations have gone, adding that the British Prime Minister did not listen to his suggestions on how to negotiate.

He didn’t elaborate on what advice he gave May, but it most likely involved building a bloody great wall between the UK and the rest of the world.

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  • Jim Jones

    > The Great Trumpkin

    You mean Little Donnie President?

    > … didn’t elaborate on what advice he gave May, but it most likely involved building a bloody great wall between the UK and the rest of the world.

    Why not rebuild the one between England and Scotland – Hadrian’s Wall? After all, it worked great!


  • Anne Fenwick

    Somebody elected this bunch of morons and we’re all reaping the consequences. Mind you, my Labour MP is such a waste of space that it wouldn’t make much difference if she was a flat-earthed and it’s almost as well that she’s in what nominally passes as ‘the opposition’.

  • Anne Fenwick

    A wall down the Channel, to separate the shipping going east from that going west. Let’s make Australia* pay for it!

    * Because why not?

  • Raging Bee

    Okay, there’s at least ONE Tory MP who’s even lamer than May.

  • Raging Bee

    The newer version worked okay in that zombie movie too…

  • Raging Bee

    Yeah, as bad as the Tories have been, Labour can’t seem to get their act together enough to cobble up a serious opposition. Part of the problem is that there’s lots of Leavers in Labour too; and another part is that they’re just hapless and spineless in the face of determined fascist bullying…sort of like our Democratic Party.

  • BridgetD

    Why the hell is he even trying to insert himself into this?

    Oh wait…don’t answer that. Because he’s Trump, and he seems to have a natural desire to be involved in any and every fuck up that happens somewhere in the world.

  • Matt G

    Just let The Donald negotiate. The French will pay for it AND they’ll like it.

  • Brian Shanahan

    Donnie’s advice to May was made public last summer during his (taxpayer paid for) Scottish golfing holiday (at his own resort) and amounted to “throw your toys out of the pram and loudly declare the EU needs the UK more than vice versa, proclaiming you’ll destroy the EU on the way out if they don’t give you what you want”.

    Problem is, the Maybot had been trying this for twelve months and all she had gotten was derisive laughter.

  • Broga

    ” So when you’re in a crisis, you just have to pray that God is sovereign and he has his hand on this, though I can’t see the outworking of this.”

    When we have politicians as deluded as this a shambles is inevitable. What is “outworking” and what does she mean? The country is being wrecked by politicians who behave as if anywhere outside the Westminster bubble is only there to pay for their subsidised booze, meals, accommodation, trips abroad, chauffeur driven transport at home, exorbitant pensions decided by themselves and much we don’t know about. What might the £billions squandered by May and her minions have done for the NHS? What concern have they shown for the environment? Corbyn was facing an open goal and didn’t have the minimal nous to kick the ball in.

    What is now clear is that the UK political system must be radically changed. We have drifted on, obsessed with crap TV and sport, while the same bunch of political twats continue to elect their clones. Most of them have never experienced work as most of us know it. They certainly know nothing of the basic jobs that keep the country running and they are over represented by religious clowns (see above) and those with their Trust Funds which they assume is the same as work.

    May has decided, from God whispering in her ear, that she knows best and however many times she is rejected she will continue with her blackmailing whine that she knows best and you must agree.

    You WILL vote for what I have decided, regardless of what you want, or we will have no deal.

  • Broga

    Or perhaps it is a dead heat?

  • CoastalMaineBird

    At the risk of revealing the true depths of my ignorance, I will ask this.
    I (in the USA) haven’t followed this issue (as will soon become apparent), but from what I can tell:

    — Cameron called for Brexit referendum, then bailed when it didn’t go the way he expected. (I’m reminded of Wile E. Coyote lighting the dynamite fuse and hiding behind a rock).
    — PM May has been taking TRUMPet lessons and wants to build a wall around Britain.
    — British government wants to keep Scotland INSIDE the wall, Scotland says no, hell no, get off of me daddy.
    — In the two years since the referendum, a whole lot of details haven’t been thought about.
    — 50%+ of English people think it’s a mistake of huge proportions.
    — “outworking” is a real word in the Oxford Dict, but nobody has ever actually uttered it before now.
    — God is driving the bus, just because that’s the kind of god he is.

    Am I missing anything ?

  • —yup
    —Worth noting that May was at least nominally a Remainer, and she seems for the most part to be anti-“wall” (which is what we’d have gotten from a No-Deal).
    —The Scottish question is a weird one; there’s significant reason to think that, even if Scotland did manage to split with the rest of the UK, the EU would reject them as members (Spain has it’s own Catalonian separatists, and they don’t want to give them the idea that they can get economic freedom if they manage to split). It’s also not clear-cut exactly how many Scottish people actually want to split.
    —A WHOLE LOT! My favourite (relatively local) story is https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/30/no-deal-brexit-ferry-company-owns-no-ships-and-has-never-run-ferry-service
    —It’s difficult to know; I think the reality is that it’s pretty evenly split, and that most people who voted would vote the same way; I think the tipper would be the 2y+ of old people dying/young people reaching voting age that would tip the balance, but even then I’m not that sure.
    —outworking is a Christianese phrase.
    —“peep peep motherf*cker” – Jesus Christ, at the wheel.

  • HFR

    By saying God is in control, is admitting that no one is control and we have a complete breakdown and total chaos. Govt under the “Conservatives” has run amok!

  • Gord O’Mitey

    No, I ain’t been gettin’ involved in Brexit, eh. I’ve got more important things to deal with, like makin’ sure the right sports teams win. I don’t even have the feckin’ time to bring about World Peace, eh.

    And anyways, Brexit or Bremain ain’t so easy to decide. I mean, what’s good for one person might not be good for another, eh. There’s a ton of calculations to do, and by the time I’m finished, conditions have changed, so I have to start over. My omniscience doesn’t work by feckin’ magic miracle, eh.

  • Aard
  • Anselm Kersten

    Oh, come on, you meanies – how can you be so hard on li’l ol’ Dame Caroline. I mean – look at dat faaaace! Just like a little kitten. She’s so bewildered an’ confused an’ all, poor thing. Here, let’s help her out.

    Lesson 1: There’s no supernatural… anything.
    Lesson 2: When you pray to your non-existent supernatural entity, you’re actually praying to yourself, see?
    Lesson 3: When you’re asking your imaginary supernatural friend for guidance as to what the fuck is going on in the world and what to do about it, what you’re actually doing is disguising a secular decision on what stance to take on a mundane (i.e. earthly, as opposed to heavenly) matter by referring to the will of an imaginary super-human deity co-invented by yourself and others along lines both vaguely and inconsistently drawn over previous centuries and millennia by equally deluded believers in some form of Magical Sky Daddy (or daddies) for equally mundane reasons. And when you tie yourself in knots trying to figure out what to believe based on principles you and others claim to derive from a book of mumbo-jumbo that anyone can interpret in absolutely any way that suits their entirely secular concerns, from mandating slavery, religious warfare, execution of non-heterosexuals and misogyny to abolishing them, through secular ideologies across the political spectrum from extreme left to ultra-right, to whether to have jam or peanut butter on your toast, you risk not merely harmlessly pretending that the secular has any kind of (allegedly superior) religious component, but at least partly surrendering your rational thought processes to other human agents past and present so that they can warp them for their own ends and interests, which may or may not coincide with yours. That’s both foolish and lazy, and you should bloody well grow up and take responsibility for your own actions, and make your own decisions honestly without lying about what you’re doing and why you’re doing it.

    Right, now go and sit down in the corner, think about what I’ve said and make the right decision.

    And as for that idiotic nonsense from Teresa May – remember war criminal Tony Blair’s “God told me to invade Iraq”?

    PS – did they hand her her Damehood for this religious tomfoolery, or for something unworthy?

  • Raging Bee

    But…but…their big slogan was “Take back control!”

  • Phil

    Not just conservatives alone, it was cross party brexiteers and individuals out for their own power grab that are the problem.

  • Phil

    Well most people I personally know who voted to leave say they never understood what they were voting for and bought into the propaganda (like the US and Trump?) Now the implications are understood better, they would vote to remain. The classic is “I voted to leave but don’t really understand it” and “It’s simple, just leave and get it over with”

  • Phil

    “what I have decided” wrong!, it is what the EU has made clear is the only option.

  • Phil

    All Jeremy sees is an opportunity to be PM. Not interested in the slightest the effect his absence from the debate is having on the country.

  • I hear that a fair amount from Remainers, and I’d like to believe it’s true, but it’s too anecdotal for me to put faith in if I’m honest, and I haven’t seen any good polls on the matter; I live in a “Remain” stronghold (I think we voted Remain in the high 60’s in my area), and I managed to convince my family to vote remain, so I have very little experience with Leavers; the only one I’ve spoken to was a 21-year-old work colleague who assured me he’d vote the same way, so it’s difficult for me to discern what the overall picture is, hence my default to the “nothing’s really changed”. Sans reliable poll evidence, I can’t bring myself to be optimistic.

    I think my issue with the “we were misinformed” excuse is that I don’t believe that the majority’s reason for leaving was based on Farrage and Johnson. All of those things were just a cover/rationalisation for racist/xenophobic sentiment which hasn’t gone away; it’s why all leavers can say now is “leave means leave” and “DEMOCRACY”; they don’t bother articulating their new rationale in light of the miss-sell because they know if they do their cover will be blown. I think the actual misinformed are in a minority.

  • Raging Bee

    Maybe he wants to be PM so badly that he’s paralyzed by the fear of blowing his big chance. Which is how a lot of people blow their big chance.