UK nutjob insists ‘everyone should support’ expelled anti-gay student

UK nutjob insists ‘everyone should support’ expelled anti-gay student March 10, 2019
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Andrea Minichiello Williams, above, Chief Executive of the UK-based Christian Legal Centre, says ‘everyone should support’ a student who was thrown out of the University of Sheffield for anti-gay statements he made on Facebook.

In supporting Kim Davis, the Kentucky clerk who “conscientiously” refused to issue same-sex marriage certificates and may now be liable for thousands in legal costs, wannabe social worker Felix Ngoli wrote:

Same-sex marriage is a sin whether we like it or not. It is God’s words and man’s sentiments would not change His words.

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Two months later, Ngole, above, who was studying for an MA in Social Work, received a university email informing him that his Facebook comments were being investigated.

He was interviewed by an investigatory team and subsequently removed from his course by a panel chaired by Professor Jacqueline Marsh from the School of Education and was no longer able to train to become a social worker.

In October 2017, he lost a high court battle with the University’s lawyers arguing that he showed “no insight” and that the decision to remove him from the course was fair and proportionate.

They said he had been studying for a professional qualification and university bosses had to consider his “fitness to practise”.

But last October, Ngole, 40, was granted permission to appeal the High Court’s judgment.

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He will be represented in court by the Christian Legal Centre’s “religious freedoms” barrister, Paul Diamond, above, who who loses more cases than he ever wins. Diamond will argue that the High Court judgment was wrong in law and implies that six million UK workers in all regulated professions (eg doctors, teachers, lawyers) could be silenced by their professional bodies for publicly expressing unpopular beliefs.

Williams said:

Free speech is not meaningfully free if it only applies to views that everyone finds acceptable, or only applies in private. Without free speech, the ideas and ideology of cultural elites – whomever they may be – cannot be challenged and democracy becomes impossible.

Everyone should support Felix, because without this freedom being protected, anyone regulated by a professional body could have their career ended simply for posting views online that the employer doesn’t like.

From magistrates to nurses, teachers to doctors, Christian professionals are increasingly under pressure to hide away their beliefs – to hide away the light of Christ in them, depriving society of the love of Jesus.

Ngole said:

I pray that the court will recognise the freedom to express my Christian faith. It is chilling that we live in a society where you can share your beliefs on social media and yet you find yourself in trouble when certain people disagree with you.

His appeal is to be held next week.

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  • Keith Taylor

    Good Lord! (Choke!) Is that really and actually a picture of Andrea Minichiello Williams? She looks like the deranged hatchet murderer in the horror movie of your choice. And surely a bloke who considers that same-sex marriage is a sin before God, this being eternal, transcendent truth, is a bloke unfit to be a social worker? He’d encounter a lot of gays in that career. And it’s pretty sure his counsel to them would be destructive. Especially if they were tormented adolescents wondering if life was worth living.

  • Raymond Metcalfe

    God that womens picture is terrifying I will have nightmares tonight I will definatly need a few pints later to get over the shock. Joking aside its here we go again someone as exercised his free speech and that as given his tutors an insight into his character his fitness to pursue a particular profession and he as been found not fit so off you go. If some gay person is struggling in some way would you want to see someone who thinks that what you are is evil is wrong no matter what else you do in life the core of your person what make you you is wrong. He as revealed his view not only on being gay but on much else would anyone want to go for help with such a bible thumper.

  • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

    I wonder how ‘biblical’ Felix Ngoli feels about being afflicted with the ‘Curse of Ham’, and so he should rightly be a slave of any white person who happens to so forcibly take him?

    Or is THAT part of the ‘bible’ *metaphorical*, now?

  • “It’s out of context!”

  • Jennny

    Daughter has become an honorary Liverpudlian, marrying a scouser, and going to live there. She says she’ll never get used to the trend Liverpool women have, to wear bright orange fake tan. They also go out shopping or to do the school run in their pyjamas, bright tans looking weird to the rest of us, especially as it often ends at their ears and chin…but each to her own…I just think AMW looks very scouse…and would surprise me with a posh plummy accent when I’d expect a ‘After me scran, gonna see me mate in the ozzy’..(google it!) as I heard a fake-tanned woman in pjs, slippers and robe say on a train (yes really) that was going to Liverpool one morning!

  • Götterdämmerung

    Barry, i suggest you issue a warning before publishing a picture of that harridan and nutter, It put me off my lunch.

  • French Pandora

    I took her for a badly made wax statue…

  • TrickyDicky

    I have suggested this in the past, I shall be having a few sleepless nights.

    DON’T LOOK AT THE EYES!

  • Har Davids

    There must be a picture of her, somewhere, where she’s less swivel-eyed, and the bloke looks just as weird with his neck-beard. Him being allowed to be social worker would be a terrible idea. He seems so open-minded that his brain fell out somewhere on the way.

  • DingoJack

    I thought fake tans were the preserve of Essex.

  • The “curse of Ham” – black people being ordained for slavery – is actually not found in the Bible. It’s a quite bizarre invention of pro-slavery advocates based on an equally bizarre reading of Genesis 9:25. You don’t have to look very long to realise it has nothing to do with black people or their enslavement.

  • Jennny

    True, and I lived in Essex from 1-18yo!…it was quite an eye-opener when DD went to uni in L’pool, a real culture shock in some ways….and as a junior doctor, she meets ‘all sorts’ and L’pool culture can still intrigue and amuse her sometimes!

  • Raging Bee

    If it’s “not found in the Bible,” then why did you cite something from the Bible?

    Oh, and I just looked up that verse: it may nor refer specifically to dark-skinned or African people, but it does have Noah cursing an entire bloodline to slavery — not for an evil act, but merely for admitting his dad was a drunken embarrassing fool and doing something to cover for it. That’s plenty good enough for anyone who wants to justify one race or ethnic group enslaving another, and it’s not “made up.”

  • I referred specifically to the idea that black people are ordained to slavery. As you demonstrate, it is not found in the Bible, you can only wrench it out if decide to read things into the text which are clearly not there (e.g. skin color).

  • Illithid

    And New Jersey.

  • Illithid

    “Scran” is easily enough found, but the only “ozzy” Google knows about is the singer. But I found this:

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-sayings-top-26-things-6463028

  • LeekSoup

    The Christian Legal Centre had been going a while. It literally is a couple of people who believe God has called them to act as legal counsel to people who are accused of bigotry. Whenever a Christian in the UK is accused of saying hateful things about gay people, there’s the CLC demanding everyone stops stomping on the rights of Christians to “express their faith!”

    Shame that the way they express their faith is by saying hateful bigoted things. No one has an issue with Christians feeding the hungry, housing the poor or tending the sick. And those are all things ol’ Jesus himself commanded them (according to their big ol’ book); the bigotry, less of a priority for JC.

  • Kevin R. Cross

    Hate to say it, but I think he has a point. In fact, I have more than a suspicion he’ll win his appeal.
    He didn’t say he hates gay people. He didn’t disparage gay people. He said that being gay was a sin before (presumably his) god, and that human sentiments can’t change that. Which, like it or not, is baseline theology for most, though definitely not all, of Christianity.
    I don’t give a flying eff about his religion or his beliefs. But if a straight up statement of belief is now impermissable speech in Britain, that state goes up on my board with Saudi and Kuwait and all the other intolerant regions of the world as too dangerous to go to.

  • Michael Neville

    Not the most flattering photo I’ve ever seen.

  • Broga

    If that wretch becomes a social worker he will be let lose on some of the most vulnerable people in society. Children will also be subject to his decisions. The flesh crawls at the thought of him making decisions about adoption and fostering. The educated and confident, will not let him into their homes.

  • Dom Saunders

    Yeah…no. The Bible has been used for direct quotes to justify slavery. There’s no two ways about it and it’s not merely a product of one’s side’s “bizarre invention” on the subject matter. And before you ignorantly throw it in my face that religious abolitionists helped dismantle slavery, understand that:

    1. I will not give that much credit to white people or religious people in general for dismantling inhumane practices they chose to engage in. Black abolitionists deserve much of the credit in convincing white people to see black people as human as even abolitionists have a known history of being problematic and racist with the people they wanted to free.

    2. The Bible can and has been used to justify any and everything, as it lacks internal consistency due to its plethora of contradictions. None of what you cite is “bizarre.” It’s stated verbatim how to directly control your slaves in the text. If I am to believe the Bible is anti-slavery or the god in it believes as much, that would have been stated as early as the Ten Commandments. It’s not. Instead, roughly half of it is god telling his followers he’s petty and wants no other gods held before him and absolutely nothing about, you know, not enslaving people.

    3. The fact that most black people are Christian now is a direct byproduct of slavery and the fact that many of our ancestors’ past masters were Christians themselves. Thus, Christianity is directly complicit in the abuse and murder of thousands of people, if not millions, just if we’re considering the topic of slavery alone.

    Apologetics are ignorant, not funny, and not cute.

  • You wasted a lot of time addressing points I never made. Read the original response.

    The idea that black people are ordained to be enslaved by white people – the “curse of Ham” – is a fiction that isn’t found anywhere in the Bible itself. No other point has been made.

  • I don’t like at all that face, if it’s not a Photoshop.

  • Dom Saunders

    I read your point and that is false. That has been directly used to justify black slavery in Christianity. Race or skin color is never mentioned in the text, but that hardly stopped people from interpreting it that way. It still had a lot to do with our enslavement, even if we were never directly called out in the first place, and that IS the point you ended on, and that IS the point I am calling you out on.

    Basically, the Bible is still responsible for the abuse of black people however you want to slice it. End of story. Don’t waste my time any further with your ignorance.

  • So you acknowledge that “race or skin color” is never mentioned in the text, good. You made my point.

    That anyone interprets the Bible or just about any ancient work as saying something does not translate to it actually saying so. I could read the Quran as teaching that Buddhism is the one true religion – it clearly says no such thing.

    Whether or not the Bible condones slavery (it does) is another question altogether. My only point here is that the “curse of Ham” as it has been used in history simply isn’t there. There’s more than enough to question about the Bible – inventing stuff is neither honest nor necessary. Doing so makes skeptics look ignorant.

  • Jim Jones

    She looks like she just remembered peeing on an electric fence.

  • Jim Jones

    > After me scran, gonna see me mate in the ozzy’..(google it!)

    I did. Google doesn’t know either except scran means food.

  • Jim Jones

    So hospital?

  • Brianna LaPoint

    Im a non christian. they say the eyes are the window to the soul, even if you think a soul doesnt exist, the lady with the blue eyes looks freakishly inhuman.

  • Illithid

    So it would seem. Unless her mate is a guy fornicating with Mr. Osbourne. I wouldn’t know, I’m not a scouser.

  • firebubbles310

    Honestly, your points make no sense. What matters about passages in holy books is how people interpret them. Given the awful ways people with darker skin have been treated because of that passage (and others) the wording isn’t the problem, it is what people think it says. People were against (some maybe still are) well into the twentieth century, the idea of interracial couples and used religion as their basis.

  • Robert Baden

    So, to whom does the Curse of Ham apply? It is in the Bible. It applies to some group, unless they have died out.

  • Robert Baden

    On the other hand, there are a lot of things that are a sin. Second marriage unless your first spouse committed adultery. How many talk about that?

  • Jim Jones

    A right Liver bird?

  • MarquisDeMoo

    I initially was with you on that, there are plenty of religious people who compartmentalise their belief. However for me the issue is that he openly expressed support for someone who was unable to compartmentalise her beliefs and broke the law by discriminating. In view of this I think we have to take his support for Kim Davis at ‘face’ (pun noted) value and assume he would in the same position do likewise for his faith. That he might also criticise the US constitution for its failure to allow discrimination shows also that he is incompatible with the role.

    I might add I see this as the same issue as Muslims who would never murder a gay person themselves but fail to condemn those that do and may give them tacit or even financial assistance because they believe their faith condones it. Are they to be trusted as Teachers or Social Workers?

  • Kevin R. Cross

    Actually, quite a few. It’s pretty much second of third in the hierarchy of things Catholic authorities scream about (after Contraception and about equal with – you guessed it – homosexuality).

  • Kevin R. Cross

    Well, as a Brit, he has no particular reason to respect the US Constitution.

  • MarquisDeMoo

    Except he is required in his prospective employment to follow a similar system that does not give preference to any religious belief or allow discrimination. The point is if he does not respect that then why might he respect it in the UK? I understand he was sacked for bringing the profession into disrepute. In other words he might even have said homosexual acts are a sin and got away with it under free speech rules but to denigrate a system for not allowing discrimination and for giving support to someone for breaking that law crosses the line.

  • John Thunderer

    Williams – as is evident from her picture – is a literally rabid [mad dog] religionist.
    She is also an anti-democrat, who believes in using lawfare to change laws in order to compel others in society to obey “her” laws.
    She knows that modern society will never be persuaded by her force of arguments so she chooses instead to try to use the force of law to achieve it.
    As far as he is concerned, he is entitled to his own views and beliefs – however crazy they may be – but he is not a suitable candidate for social worker.
    It is the job of a social worker to provide independent, neutral and expert advice to people requiring his services.
    It is also his role to undertake actions in the best interests of his clients.
    How he can do any of that when he considers some of the people he comes into contact with as essentially wrongful?
    If he cannot put his personal prejudices aside – and his comments suggest he cannot – then he should seek an alternative role in society.
    Why doesn’t he train to be a priest or religious minister instead?
    Answer: Because he would rather smuggle his religionism in under false colours – like so many others like him.
    The two of them – she and he – can never be trusted to act truthfully or in the best interests of others.

  • John Thunderer

    On the question of slavery, that practice stretches way back before the modern-day religions even existed.
    We know the Ancient Greeks and Romans practiced it, along with earlier imperial systems.
    The more modern medieval version, involving black African slaves, really began with the Arab slave traders – as far as I know.
    White people in England were taken by North African slave traders and sold into slavery or concubinage.
    The Ottoman Turks also captured Balkan Europeans and enslaved them too.
    There were also Jewish slave traders – though many fewer in number – before Christians began getting involved too.
    Most recently, some migrants passing through present-day Libya have ended up on slave auction blocks.
    Slavery is quite clearly NOT solely a problem of the past and still exists today in many different forms in many parts of the world.

  • MarquisDeMoo

    His point is that although there are or were Christians who would try and make the passage justify white/black slavery there are many more who recognise it is clearly inappropriate. The concern is that from their perspective, just as much as they recognise it as a silly interpretation, they also give no credence to anyone who might use it to challenge Christianity. I understand there are passages, which, although not fitting the black/white narrative, do explicitly justify slavery. You might reasonably use these to beat literalists over the head with, albeit again there are many Christians who recognise the provenance of the OT and merely treat it as a backdrop to the salient Christ narrative, so again will think the criticisms miss the mark.

    Sorry but much as they are pain in the ass, Creationists are low hanging fruit; with most Christians you first have to pin them down as to what they do explicitly believe in from Noah to the resurrection and then work on that.

  • Kevin R. Cross

    except I don’t recall him doing any such thing. He supported Kim Davis – but support for one side does not denigrate the other. It is possible to see both sides of an argument and find both fault and merit in both.

  • Vanity Unfair

    Williams said:

    Free speech is not meaningfully free if it only applies to views that everyone finds acceptable, or only applies in private. Without free speech, the ideas and ideology of cultural elites – whomever they may be – cannot be challenged and democracy becomes impossible.

    At that point we should all fall into agreement. Unfortunately she does not seem to realise that the same freedom allows others freely to criticise what has been said freely. Her next paragraph, exhorting universal and unconditional support for Ngole, misses the point that he might just be wrong (he is) and his philosophy is equally open to criticism, as is the possible application of that philosophy to his chosen career. The next sentence narrows her view that the application of her resounding clarion-call should only be to matters of Christian interest and at that point she has lost the support of most, if not all, of those who were rallied by her opening statement. After all as she propounds Christianity as a philosophy for the culturally elite:

    Without free speech, the ideas and ideology of cultural elites – whomever they may be – cannot be challenged and democracy becomes
    impossible.

    Personally, I don’t see how he could successfully pursue his career if he were to to attempt to use his stated views as a basis for advising clients.

  • Raging Bee

    The problem is that he was studying to become a social worker, which would have enabled him to inflict his bigotry on others who needed his help, or the help of whatever agency he would represent if he ever gets the job. That may not be sufficient reason to kick him out of school, but it would be sufficient reason not to hire him as a social worker.

  • Raging Bee

    That anyone interprets the Bible or just about any ancient work as saying something does not translate to it actually saying so.

    If people can interpret the Bible a certain way, and nothing in the Bible directly contradicts their interpretation, then for most practical purposes, yes, the Bible does say what it’s being interpreted to say.

    You need to stop hyperventilating and face reality: the Bible isn’t as wunnerful a book as you seem to want to think it is.

  • argyranthemum

    I don’t think you can read what he actually wrote and get anything but denigration for the other side.

  • Kevin R. Cross

    Really? All I’ve seen is “Same-sex marriage is a sin whether we like it or not. It is God’s words and man’s sentiments would not change His words.”
    I disagree completely, but that’s nothing but a statement of his beliefs.

  • Kevin R. Cross

    I’d agree with that.

  • Hermes Brookover

    “I pray that the court will recognise the freedom to express my Christian faith.” We all have the freedom to think whatever we want. His problem beyond being blinded by jesus, is that as a counselor he will likely be tasked with helping people from the lgbtq community at some point. This conflict of interest makes him nearly useless as a counselor. Except of course in christian circle where he will be seen as a pargon of christly duty. I hope his barister loses another case.

  • Raging Bee

    In fairness, could it be a result of cosmetic surgery gone a tad wrong?

  • MarquisDeMoo

    Some quotes:

    “The Bible and God identify homosexuality as a sin” and “same-sex marriage is a sin whether we like it or not. It is God’s words and man’s sentiments would not change his words. The devil has hijacked the constitution of the USA”.

    He also shared a post saying “I stand with Kim Davis” and, in the comments below, quoted a bible verse from Leviticus calling homosexuality an “abomination”.

  • Robert Conner

    Andrea Minichiello Williams absolutely must stop taking makeup tips from Donald Trump!

  • Robert Conner

    Andrea looks like the kind of girl you’d take home to murder Mum and Dad.

  • Robert Conner

    Sure, we can play that game.

    “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.” (Ephesians 6:5)

    “Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.” (Colossians 3:22)

    Historically speaking, slaves and their children were used by owners for sexual gratification. No harm, no foul, right? Right?

  • Freethinker

    It’s a quite bizarre invention of pro-slavery advocates based on an equally bizarre reading of Genesis 9:25

    To dismiss the fact that the Bible is pro-slavery is to show you do not actually know the Bible. Nowhere does this alleged “manual of human morality” speak against the sheer evil of owning other humans. In fact it blatantly promotes it and gives an instruction manual for both slave owners and slaves regardless of the color of their skin.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/08f7c149e734fedc44fd70ee01b4e822d0800111c880c27d067db90becf7cd26.png

  • Freethinker

    is a fiction that isn’t found anywhere in the Bible itself

    You must not be aware that the whole of the Bible is a work of fiction with some of its parts loosely based on real historical events and nothing more.