Notre Dame blaze: right-wing loons are having a field day

Notre Dame blaze: right-wing loons are having a field day April 16, 2019

IT was a fire. It was devastating. It damn near destroyed one of the world’s greatest buildings – and it was a gift to a wide spectrum of right-wing imbeciles who are gleefully touting conspiracy theories ranging from Islamist arson to God venting his fury against secular Europe.

First up, the Catholic League’s Bill Donohue, above, whose ramblings were abruptly halted on Fox News – Fox News, for chrissake – when he told interviewer Neil Cavuto:

Well, Neil, if it is an accident, it’s a monumental tragedy. But forgive me for being suspicious. Just last month, a 17 century church was set on fire in Paris. We have seen Tabernacles knocked down, crosses have been torn down, statues have been smashed.

Cavuto then had to step in and ask Donohue not to spread rumours and tried to move the conversation on to fundraising for a future renovation.

Bill, we don’t know that, we don’t know. So if we can avoid what your suspicions might be, I do want to look at what happens now.

Donohue initially started to answer this question before reverting to the arson rhetoric.

Well, first they have to get to the bottom of it, and they will rebuild it, there’s no question about that. I’m sorry, when I find out that the Eucharist is being destroyed and excrement is being smeared on crosses, this is what’s going on now.

At this point, Cavuto decided enough was enough and chose to end the conversation right there.

Wait a minute Bill, I love you dearly, but we cannot make conjectures about this so thank you, Bill, I’m sorry, thank you very very much. I do want to let people know, and again we’re not trying to be rude to our guests here, there is so much we do not know about what happened here.

Meanwhile Glenn Beck, the American conservative radio host and devout Trump supporter, was one of the first to point the finger at Islamists by suggesting that they started the fire as an act of terrorism, despite the origin of the fire still yet to be confirmed.

In an appearance on The News and Why It Matters, Beck claimed that the fire could have been arson and, if it was started by Islamists, then no one will find out due to the problems it could cause in France.

If this was arson, this is going to be bad. If this was arson of any foreign kind of  – any foreign entity, anybody with a grudge, I think if – and this is a huge if, it might have just been started by a cigarette, we don’t know – but if this was started by Islamists, I don’t think you’ll find out about it because I think it would set the entire country on fire. They’ve had killings, they’ve had mass shootings, they’ve had people running people down in the streets. The tension is very high.

This would be like us burning the White House. What is iconic like this? This is their World Trade Centre moment and if this was done by terrorists I think that they will keep it quiet because I just don’t think that Macron in France wants that internal fight.

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Also quick to jump on the wagon was Britain’s former EDL leader and notorious Islamophobe, Tommy Robinson, above. The moron suggested on his Telegram account that the fire was suspicious. The 36-year-old asked:

How does an ‘accidental’ fire during restoration works start in two different places at once?

In Germany, far-right politicians also shared xenophobic conspiracies and provocative messages on social media.

In a tweet, Alice Weidel, the parliamentary group leader of the Alternative for Germany, the country’s largest opposition party, implied a connection between Monday’s blaze and previous anti-Christian “attacks” in France.

Photo by Gage Skidmore/Wikipedia CC

And WorldNutDaily carried a piece by Dennis Prager, above, a conservative American talk-show host and writer, who suggested:

It is as if God Himself wanted to warn us in the most unmistakable way that Western Christianity is burning – and with it, Western civilization.

The blowhard continued:

Every major Western (and one major non-Western) social and intellectual force has conspired to rid Europe of Christianity and the civilization it produced.

Within the Western world, the French Enlightenment – the intellectual basis of the French Revolution and the modern West – sought to replace Christianity, and religion in general, with secularism rooted in reason. No God, Bible or Ten Commandments is necessary for morality or meaning: reason (and science) will replace them.

The two final deathblows to Christianity in Europe were the world wars. World War I ended most Westerners’ belief in the nation-state and the West. Christianity, already weakened by the Enlightenment, was further weakened by World War I. German Christians were killing millions of French and English Christians, and French and English Christians were killing millions of German Christians. So the argument and sentiment against Christianity went.

Then World War II saw even more death on the Christian continent as well as the failure of Catholic and Protestant churches in Nazi Germany to offer even minimal noncompliance with the Nazis’ Jew-hatred.

With the end of World War II, every internal Western intellectual doctrine was secular. God, the Bible and religion were regarded at best as innocuous nonsense and at worst as noxious nonsense.

He added:

Meanwhile, Europeans brought a non-European ideology into Europe, an ideology that, for more than a thousand years, sought to replace Christianity as the world’s dominant religion. The Europeans, believing in nothing distinctly Christian or Western and believing in the moral and intellectual nonsense known as “multiculturalism” – a doctrine that asserts that all cultures are morally equivalent – saw nothing problematic in bringing millions of Muslims into Europe.

They had no idea that most of these people actually wanted to replace Christianity with their religion. They had no idea because, in their ignorance and arrogance, they assumed that because they were secular multiculturalists, everybody else was, too – or would be, once they lived in Europe.

They were wrong, of course. And as a result, the two dominant forces in Europe – secular leftism and Islamism – sought the end of Christianity and the West. (The left believes that protecting Western civilization is equivalent to protecting white supremacy.)

I don’t know if a worker accident or a radical Muslim set fire to Notre Dame Cathedral (as they have scores of other churches around Europe). In terms of what the fire represented, it doesn’t much matter. What matters is the omen: Europe is burning, just as Notre Dame was.

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  • Götterdämmerung

    I had a scan of the Daily Mail and Daily Express comments section and no surprise the right wing loonies claim “It was the Muslims!”. I expect somebody will blame atheists or LGBTs next.

  • Raymond Metcalfe

    I was wondering how long it would take for the crackpots to emerge. I am surprised that the almighty power of the gay movement as not been blamed yet

  • larry parker

    With the end of World War II, every internal Western intellectual doctrine was secular. God, the Bible and religion were regarded at best as innocuous nonsense and at worst as noxious nonsense.

    He says that like it’s a bad thing.
    And I’m going to go with noxious.

  • Me too

  • Some right wingers are using the fire to attack Ilhan Omar, claiming that she’s happy the fire happened, or that she supports the (non-existent) Muslims who started the fire. Not surprisingly they haven’t heard, or have ignored, that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas expressed his condolences for the fire.

  • kilda

    maybe, just maybe, it burned because 800 year old dry wood is very flammable, and the roof didn’t have a sprinkler system?

  • Broga

    “A sprinkler system”? But they did have a spiritual system and that should have been even more effective.

  • Jennny

    I put on the UK BBC news yesterday morning and heard of the fire. I’m so relieved because the reporter said all the precious relics were safe. (/s)

  • Raging Bee

    Speaking of ghouls, demagogues and all-around creepers, here’s good ole @See with his take:

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/tippling/2019/04/15/do-you-really-believe-in-a-digital-heaven-and-hell/

    Liars gotta lie, haters gotta hate, and stupids gotta stupe.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    I am not a Catholic, but it is tragic that this beautiful, old building has been so severely damaged. Notre Dame was a destination and a landmark for anyone who visited Paris. Its beauty was enjoyed by Protestants, Buddhists, Jews, Catholics or even those who profess no religion.
    We should not, however, point fingers at any group. The building was old and contained a lot of old, beautiful, but dry wood. This horrific fire could have been an electrical fire, a dropped cigarette, or both.

  • Robert Serrano

    Thoughts and prayers are only effective as part of a regular maintenance emergency program. They’ve not been found to be effective in emergencies. Or at other times, but that an entirely different thing.

  • Götterdämmerung

    I seem to remember the fire at York minster was started by a lightning strike, bet god[s] didn’t get blamed for that 😉

  • Raging Bee

    Or stray sparks from stonecutting, if that’s part of the renovations. Or an electrical overload from all the power tools being used in a building whose electrical system was improvised centuries after it was last rebuilt…

  • Graham Martin-Royle

    This is god saying to the catholic church that it isn’t happy with priests raping children and the church covering the rapes up. About bloody time god made an appearance.

  • epeeist

    On Cross Examined we have an anti-Semite conspiracy theorist (he is a troofer, amongst other things) blaming the Jews.

    Oddly enough he gets his knickers in a twist because I used the “F” word.

  • epeeist

    Meanwhile, Europeans brought a non-European ideology into Europe

    An ideology from the Middle-East? Where does he think Christianity came from?

  • frostysnowman

    Jeez, Islamists prefer to destroy their OWN religious art and places of worship. See Aleppo as an example. And what they don’t destroy, they sell to fund their cause. The Greens of Hobby Lobby bought some of that looted stuff.

  • barriejohn

    Oh, yes they did! The minster was hit two days after the consecration of Dr David Jenkins as Archbishop of York, and was widely seen as God’s opinion of his suitability for office. Just read some of the lunatic comments here:

    https://www.yorkmix.com/life/history/how-the-york-minster-fire-sparked-an-unholy-row-in-the-times/

  • anxionnat

    A bit off the subject, but white supremacists have been burning down African American churches in the South recently. That’s something that’s been happening since after the Civil war. So I don’t think anybody can blame those hate attacks on atheists.

  • barriejohn

    Half a million fucking relics, including the actual Crown of Thorns, and the cathedral still wasn’t safe. What kind of a god are these idiots worshipping?

  • Di Eselbalaam

    The Notre Dame fire seems to be re-igniting outpourings of Catholic devotion in secular France. This is far more dangerous than the commentaries offered up by a few right-wing cranks. Dennis Prager’s warnings about “multiculturalism”, are, by the way, astute and spot on. Notre Dame’s beautiful rose windows and organ have survived, thankfully, but so too, alas, those silly relics like the “crown of thorns” (yeah, right!).

  • barriejohn

    I’m surprised that they aren’t saying: “Can you PROVE that it wasn’t caused by a Muslim?” (but maybe one of them already has!).

  • Cozmo the Magician

    Ahh Glenn Beck with the the classic RigthWingnut ‘You can tell this is what happened because there is absolutely NO PROOF’. All those people hillary killed, must be true because all the proof is hidden. Obama smuggled in illegal voters, the investigations that showed no massive illegal voting just prove it. AOC shot kennedy, her age just proves she is really old enough to have done that.

  • Cynthia

    Thank you. I consider neo-Nazis to be a clear danger to me and mine, but I’m grateful to see other calling him out and standing up to his bullshit.

  • Brian Davis

    …it was a gift to a wide spectrum of right-wing imbeciles who are gleefully touting conspiracy theories…

    Just right wing conspiracy theorists? I’m sure there must be nutters on the left claiming that it was done in order to distract everyone from the latest Trump scandals. Or a really big upcoming Trump scandal.

  • Barry Duke

    No-one seems to have noticed that on the same day syructures in the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem has caught fire. Gawd must have been
    in a pretty foul mood on Monday. https://www.rt.com/news/456655-al-aqsa-mosque-jerusalem-fire/

  • Bendy Bentley

    If any of them had said that it was god’s wrath against the sex abuse the Catholic church unleashed on the world and covered up for centuries, I would be willing to listen…

  • Can’t blame Muslims either!

  • Like how all the tornadoes that supposedly come bc America is supposedly like Sodom and Gomorrah end up striking conservative areas. (To be fair, the rabbis claim the Sodomites flooded the approaches to their city to restrict immigration: perhaps it’s judgment for the wall!)

  • Mike Curnutt

    I started seeing them about 5 minutes after the fire hit the news.

  • Jennifer A. Nolan

    From ancient Palestine, the land of Jesus, where the dominant language was Aramaic, not anything Western.

  • Jennifer A. Nolan

    This fire was in Paris, France, where the people need not worry as much as us U.S. types about what the Donald is doing; they have their own government — and their own worries. I wonder why none of these right-wing blowhards thought to blame the fire on the left-wing, working-poor Gilets jaunes.

  • epeeist

    It went down hill very quickly after he made his first anti-Semitic comment didn’t it?

    Having said that, though he was a significantly nasty piece of work I get the feeling that one could categorise him as “useful idiot” rather than out-and-out storm-trooper.

  • barriejohn

    I think you’re spot on there. Whilst we may all be saddened at the damage to a building which, whilst originally of religious significance, was of cultural and historical importance, the ostentatious demonstrations of piety really worried me. The Daily Mail features a sentimental, lachrymose article by Robert Hardman (a supposedly serious journalist) today, claiming “divine intervention” for the cathedral’s salvation – especially the big yellow cross on the altar (impressive photo displayed). Nothing to do with the firefighters, then!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6929643/Bloodied-unbowed-Lady-Paris-saved-divine-intervention-writes-ROBERT-HARDMAN.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ito=1490&ns_campaign=1490

    PS Those people praying in public don’t exactly look like poor, ignorant peasants, who know no better, to me.

  • barriejohn

    Hemant’s first comment on this (which most will have already seen, I feel sure) pretty well sums up my feelings about the disaster. Religious art, architecture and music are inspiring, though not necessarily in the way that those who commissioned them intended. They are more a celebration of the human spirit, and may well have been viewed that way by those who actually produced them; after all, Mozart was hardly what one might call “devout”!

    https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/04/15/the-notre-dame-cathedral-fire-is-tragic-no-matter-what-you-think-about-religion/

  • CoastalMaineBird

    Cavuto then had to step in and ask Donohue not to spread rumours

    Weird how they ask this shit-sprayer on to TV and then have to ask him to not spray, and then ask him again to not spray, and then cut him off because he’s spraying.

    It’s what he does, and Cavuto had to know that.

  • 24CaratHooligan

    Yes, the Archbishop who “didn’t believe in god” … it would have seemed a pre-requisite for the job, but hey I’m just a silly witch, what do I know

  • democommiescrazierbrother

    Bildo:

    If Neil Cavuto says you’re an asshole–stock up on toilet tissue.

  • Androw Bennett

    The “crown of thorns” – not long ago, the then bishop of St David’s in Cymru/Wales decided that the “bones of St David” kept in a reliquary at St David’s Cathedral should be carbon dated. Wonder of wonders: they found that the bones were of a person who had been born some 600 years after “St David” had died…

  • blogcom

    Certainly not a celebration of the human spirit. Atheists don’t understand, while they admire the precision and beauty of a stain glass window for example, or great religious murals the motivation behind it all is inspiration that transcends humanity in search of the Divine.

  • HematitePersuasion

    It is remarkably odd that despite all the disasters — all certainly interpreted as God’s annoyance at one thing or another — nobody ever seems to receive a counterbalancing divine attaboy.

  • Garvey’s Ghost

    You mean Jebus wasnt white with blonde hair and blue eyes? Next yyou’re going to say he didnt speak English.

  • San_Ban

    Gobbledegook.

  • barriejohn

    Now someone’s seen Jesus in the fire!

    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/world-news/eagle-eyed-mum-spots-jesus-16140833

    “Imagine this was how god showed us he wasn’t happy with us, by using acts of god to take away ancient, beautiful monuments/ and cathedrals.”

    Yeah – imagine!!!

  • BONITAMOLLY

    ACTUALLY, ENGLISH WASN’T SPOKEN DURING THAT PERIOD…

  • Garvey’s Ghost

    English didnt even exsit.

  • Ronnie Smith

    Jesus was in a bar the other night and said screw ND

  • Ronnie Smith

    Maybe god/jesus remembered all the rapes, tortures stories of the catholic churches, and said lets play fire

  • stevie68a

    I didn’t see a figure of Jebus in the fire, but I did see a figure of a grilled cheese sandwich.
    I wish people would realize that all religions are man-made to control people.

  • Jim X

    Maybe it’s just a metaphor for the beginning of the collapse of big religion–the thin walls remained standing while the roof consumed itself. And Jebus, Allah and Yahweh were nowhere to be found.

  • Bob Bergeron

    “About bloody time god made an appearance.” I love it!

  • Judy Thompson

    well, i must say, Im shocked. Of course, to be fair, English hadn’t been invented yet, so I’d say give him a pass on that one.

  • MindWarrior

    How about actually waiting to find the results of an investigation into the cause of the blaze before launching into tirades by ALL sides?

  • Prager: It is as if God Himself wanted to warn us in the most unmistakable way that Western Christianity is burning – and with it, Western civilization.

    GW: Did God burn down Notre Dame as a warning?

    Prager: No God, Bible or Ten Commandments is necessary for morality or meaning: reason (and science) will replace them.

    GW: That would be a good replacement.

    Prager: God, the Bible and religion were regarded at best as innocuous nonsense and at worst as noxious nonsense.

    GW: And rightly so.

  • Ralph Meyer

    Ahhh…the right wing religious stupids are out in force, and as usual, with anything ‘right’ they’re just the opposite—WRONG…and, of course, NUTS!!!

  • Mike Panic

    It stand as another symbol of the power of xtianity to incite hatred, ignorance and superstition. Its 300 years of European witch hunts, plus inquisitions, star courts and crusades prove that. Just recently American Gays were forced to fight all the way to SCOTUS against xtians who claimed Gays deserved NO civil or human rights. TRY to tell me this is not a hate group. I have just p;roved it is a hate group.

  • Mike Panic

    READ the bible. God only PUNISHES.

  • It’s not the right wingnut godbotherer’s way.

  • MindWarrior

    I did say ALL sides…one is as bad as another.