Priest ‘shocked’ by hostile reaction to his paedophile sermon

Priest ‘shocked’ by hostile reaction to his paedophile sermon July 8, 2019
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Ulrich Zurkuhlen, above, a retired Roman Catholic priest in Germany, faced a ‘screaming mob’ after he urged parishioners to forgive paedophile priests.

The incident, according to this report, happened at the Holy Spirit Church of Münster in northwest Germany on Sunday.

About 70 parishioners stormed out out of the church after realising what exactly the 79-year priest was encouraging them to do.

He reportedly used examples from the Bible to insist that paedophile priests deserve forgiveness too.

Members of the congregation – some of whom were apparently victims of clerical abuse themselves – began arguing with Zurkuhlen while he was holding forth. The situation escalated quickly, which led to a crowd of angry parishioners walking out.

During an interview with Kirche-und-Leben (Church and Life), a news site for the Diocese of Münster, Zurkuhlen described the parishioners as a “screaming mob.”

He bemoaned the fact that he wasn’t able to finish the sermon and get across his point.

He complained about bishops referring to predator priests as “criminals”, even if the men were otherwise good at their jobs.

Nobody is just profoundly evil. Goodness and guilt are often combined with each other or stand side by side without touching.

He added that the congregation’s reaction was a “real shock.”

The Rev Stefan Rau, the congregation’s lead pastor, told Kirche-und-Leben that he regrets Zurkuhlen’s comments – and the Bishop of Münster, Felix Genn, has reportedly told Zurkuhlen to shut the hell up.

Rau said he believes forgiveness isn’t the duty of abuse victims.

I always try to give my colleagues in the pastoral team encouragement. But this was not possible this time.

Last September, a report commissioned by the German Bishops Conference concluded that at least 3,677 minors were abused by 1,670 Catholic clerics between 1946 and 2014. More than half of the victims were age 13 or younger.

Then, at the beginning of 2019, a German cardinal claimed the Catholic Church was not responsible for sexual abuse by its clerics, and instead sought to pin the blame on homosexuality.

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Cardinal Walter Brandmüller, above, said:

What has happened in the church is no different from what is happening in society as a whole. The real scandal is that the Catholic Church hasn’t distinguished itself from the rest of society.

Brandmüller, 90, claimed that only a “vanishingly small number” of clergy had committed abuses. He said the real problem was homosexuality and claimed it is “statistically proven” that there is a link between homosexuality and abuse.

Society forgets or covers up the fact that 80 percent of cases of sexual assault in the Church involved male youths not children.

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  • Bubblecar

    On the other hand, the anger of these parishioners is hard to square with the fact that they still dutifully turn up to be preached at by these creatures.

    It’s astounding that despite all the Catholic abuse revelations, even some of the victims still remain loyal to this religion.

  • WallofSleep

    “What has happened in the church is no different from what is happening in society as a whole.”

    Um no, [censored]. “Society as a whole” has not been running an international ring of [censored], covering up their crimes and protecting said criminals for centuries.

  • WallofSleep
  • Matt G

    Is there some rule in Catholicism that says priests have to be insufferable narcissists?

  • Matt G

    Sounds a lot like Stockholm Syndrome. Catholicism has waaaay too many features in common with cults….

  • Michael Neville

    He complained about bishops referring to predator priests as “criminals”, even if the men were otherwise good at their jobs.

    The common term for people who commit crimes is “criminals”. Despite what Zurkuhlen might believe, child rape is a crime and the priests who rape children are criminals. Being good at a job does not excuse child rape. There are those who would claim that priests raping children means they are not good at their jobs.

  • Simple solution for that one — maybe, I dunno, stop doing crimes, then? Right?

  • Nah, narcs are attracted to positions that offer a certain level of power and prestige. Just look at what’s currently occupying the White House.

  • Totally OT, but I love your avvie.

  • Seconded.

  • Matt G

    The appeal of unearned authority. I have had my share of dealings with self-important clergymen (and yes, all have been men).

  • Jim Jones

    Lying is the Christian’s first goto.

  • Jim Jones

    So, Jeffrey Dahmer was a misunderstood chef?

  • Jim Jones

    And gangs.

  • Jeroen Metselaar

    He has some reason to be surprised. Nothing that person said was outside Catholic doctrine after all. Forgive and forget, turn the other cheek, don’t criticise priests as God’s representatives …

    The real surprise is not what was said, nor how the mob felt about it but more what these people in that mob were still doing being a member of a church holding these ideas if these ideas offended them that much.

  • Broga

    You make an important point. These priests, with their hypocritical and destructive opinions, can only continue if people give them an audience. Leave the churches empty – apart from the bats – and let them preach to them.

  • Broga

    Johnny Cash and could be when he sang to the prisoners at San Quentin? Or was it Folsom Prison? I enjoy the responses of the prisoners as much as Cash’s singing as he puts the boot in to the warders and governor. If you like a bit of anti-authority fun, try this.

  • Graham Martin-Royle

    There is another phrase I intensely dislike, “otherwise law abiding”. When he wasn’t killing people Dr Shipman was otherwise law abiding. What a nonsense phrase.

  • Graham Martin-Royle

    I suppose, in a way, if you’re going to follow the teachings of christianity, then he’s correct. After all, it does teach forgiveness for everything. That’s another reason why I cannot be a xtian, for me some crimes are unforgivable.

  • Zetopan

    No surprise there since it has basically evolved into an offshoot of the Italian mafia.

  • al kimeea

    Sure, specializing in long pork

  • al kimeea

    religion is a milder form of cult that enjoys wider acceptance & privilege

  • Milo C

    They are told as children that their eternal soul depends on the Church and them being good little supporters. Fear keeps them in line.

  • Brian Curtis

    Forgiveness is indeed a noble and generous impulse… that should have zero effect on whether criminals go to jail, and can never be demanded of their victims.

  • Rau said he believes forgiveness isn’t the duty of abuse victims.

    Agreed. Let’s have the RCC clean house, be transparent, and give us some confidence that when it happens next time, anywhere in the world, the Church will proactively engage with the police. Then we can worry about forgiveness.

  • Mark in Ohio

    I think that’s backwards. The mob, being a much younger organization, copied the church.

    I heard someone say that the difference between the mob and the church is that when the mob finds one of their members diddling kiddies, they put a bullet in his skull.

  • Tim Howley

    Peter Sutcliffe aka ‘The Yorkshire Ripper’, was a pretty good truck driver apparently, so calling this serial killer a criminal is obviously unfair.

  • Mike Panic

    The church makes the diddler a saint.

  • Mike Panic

    Still an evil, vile abomination.

  • Mike Panic

    That is dissipating. More and more, the voices of the people are being heard against the evil cabal of religious superstition. The tide is turning against the church and its evils.

  • Freethinker

    Pedophile apologist künt says what?

  • Jim Jones

    Religion is spread by 4 basic methods:
    1. Deceit
    2. Fear.
    3. Torture
    4. Murder
    It is always thus.

  • Robert Baden

    I bet if the church had altar girls as well as alter boys there would be plenty of girls victimized.
    I remember reading Mark Twain writing about priests abusing women parishoners in Letters to the Earth.
    So much for abuse being tied to homosexuality.

  • rubaxter

    On the bright side, at least he was too young to tell the congregation “Befele sind Befele!!”

  • al kimeea

    yeah, it is a nasty, pernicious thing inflicted on youngsters that is far from benign to this day, in a long tradition

  • Mike Panic

    Thirded. Now they remove entire posts for one naughty word.

  • It’s a bad sign when criminals have a more ethical COC than a church…

  • Tusk

    “Naughty” word…? lol.
    Naughty words should include Church. Priest. Predator.
    The church has always been more of a do as I say, bend over, not as I do, kinda gig.
    They’re burning down their own missions. Give it time, churches will become Asylums, for the criminally insane. xo

  • Tusk

    Why do u think they’re so smug in their own snake skin. They “serve” (themselves) because they can still “sin” but ask for forgiveness, again and again.
    “Dear lord, We hung a NIG**R from a tree last night, just to watch him struggle and die, but my family was here bright and early. Next week, we’re hunting Homosexuals.
    Thank you for your love and forgiveness.

    There’s the rub.

  • Tusk

    Lying is all part of the “American Dream.” (Miss Saigon.)
    One of the many foibles of White privilege ….

  • Judgeforyourself37

    I am glad that his idiot has retired, but what did he leave behind? Perhaps he was one of those predatory priests? Who knows? Probably we may never know.
    The RCC brings all of this disaster on themselves. They can only blame themselves. Asking men and women to take a vow of celibacy, for life, is demanding that they lead an abnormal life. If anyone can ascribe to never having someone to love, for parishioners to never use artificial contraception, and no matter what, do not terminate a pregnancy is insane. How any educated, intelligent human being can agree to that nonsense is beyond belief.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Makes sense to me as one would have to be batsh$t crazy to ascribe to their dogma and tenets.

  • John Norris

    It’s their first and greatest sacrament.

  • John Norris

    Victims can only forgive those who admit their crimes and beg for forgiveness.

  • sTv0

    The problem? Not the criminal priests. Not the complacent bishops. Not the ignorant pope. Nope.

    It’s the parishioners who are *still* parishioners! Why would you stay in a church that conducts itself as a criminal enterprise? Yeah, sure, some of them shouted at the priest and argued with him and eventually walked out, but why now? Why not walk out years ago and never look back?

    They cornholed kids! Any decent person would have turned their backs on this church long ago!

  • homosexuality?

    After Years Of Abuse By Priests, #NunsToo Are Speaking Out

    QUOTE: “An article in the February issue by editor Lucetta Scaraffia — a history professor, mother and feminist — blamed abuse of women and minors on the clerical culture of the all-powerful priesthood. The piece was based on hundreds of stories she heard from nuns.” UN-QUOTE

  • Maureen S

    I concur with your first paragraph. Pedophilia, Pederasty, sexual exploitation, etc. within the Church (and outside) are deviant behaviors and the CRIMINALS who perpetrate these unconscionable crimes should pay dearly + have very, very harsh punishments; NOT have the heinous crimes covered up by their Superiors and/or have the deviant priests relocated to other parishes! SMDH

    Just wondering if you are Catholic, or if you have left the Church. I believe the practices that you enumerated in your second paragraph are achievable, though not easy, and they require a high-level of self-discipline.
    I have Catholic friends who share your positions, I have Catholic friends who share my positions, as well as friends who have left the Church for various reasons.
    My best friend from college is a Religious Sister, as is my husband’s sister. Several friends from college are priests, but at least two of them have left the priesthood.