Dark trends in American society call for greater ‘spiritual warfare’

Dark trends in American society call for greater ‘spiritual warfare’ October 1, 2019

AN Oregon exorcist, who claims he has had the ability to conquer satanic forces since he was four, warned last week that modern American society, with its interest in things such as drugs and ouija boards, needs to take demonic possession more seriously.

Image via KOIN 6

“Archbishop” James Cloud, above, insisted that, “as the years go by, the cases are getting darker”, and lamented the fact that many churches give a “very sanitised” approach to spiritual life that ignored the Devil and his crew’s malevolent influence on the world.

Throughout the scriptures, we see examples of angels interacting on Earth — devils and Satan himself interacting on Earth.

Cloud, who belongs to a splinter Catholic group, is a former Anglican. He claims he was kicked out of the Anglican Church for his focus on “spiritual warfare”.

Now he’s an Archbishop in the Advent Catholic Church.

In an interview with Emily Burris of Portland-based KOIN 6 Cloud said:

If I hadn’t seen half the stuff I’ve seen in life, I wouldn’t believe it, either — until it actually happens.

Cloud also told KOIN that, as a mental health professional, he first looks for rational explanations for the problems that his patients are experiencing, such as mental health problems.

I have to differentiate: is this substance use, is it mental health, or is it a legitimate issue that’s going on? … So, if I can rule out the first two then what I’m left with is something that’s potentially legitimate.

Image via KOIN 6

Cloud then worked his woo on a “genuinely” possessed man – Brent Goodrich, above – who  drove several hours with his mother to meet Cloud, hoping to be freed of several demonic spirits the “archbishop” believed were attached to him.

Goodrich said:

A lot of people just don’t believe you. I didn’t think any of this stuff existed prior.

Goodrich reached out to Cloud for help after what he described as two years of torment.

They’re constantly, constantly making noise. The ones — the ones around me just hiss and hiss at me.

According to a 2018 gathering of exorcists at the Pontifical University of Regina Apostolorum in Rome, the number of requests for exorcisms has tripled over the past decade to about 500,000.

While exorcisms are considered the preserve of the Roman Catholic Church, in recent times there has been a growing interest in Protestant circles over the practice.

In May, the Roman Catholic Church announced that they were opening up their annual exorcism course at the Pontifical University to major Christian denominations, in response to a reported rise in demonic possessions.

Father Pedro Barrajon said:

Expelling the Devil goes back to the earliest origins of the Christian Church. The Catholic rite is very structured, whereas some of the other churches are more creative, they don’t use a precise format.

Adam Blai, above, peritus (advisor) of religious demonology and exorcism for the diocese of Pittsburgh who trains priests in exorcism said last year at the Q conference that demonic possession is something he believed Protestant churches needed to better address.

There’s an inherent interest in these matters. I’m not sure why that is except that perhaps it’s one of the places where the spiritual world really becomes physical. I think on a basic human level, that is inherently interesting to us. It’s the reason they make movies about it.

They also make  movies about zombies and unicorns and vampires and aliens that tickle your insiders with their tentacles.

That aside, Blai went on to explain:

Demons are bound by the rules of God. They have to operate within those rules. Their normal activity is temptation. They’re allowed to do that to us our entire lives. God has them all on a leash and He lets the leash go enough to let them tempt us because that’s what makes us spiritually stronger.

Demon possession only happens if we invite the demon in.

There are nine ranks of demons, according to Blai. The more serious ones are more difficult to deal with. The exorcist revealed that he and his team run into the “main” ones that are named in the Bible (or “upper management” as Blai likes to describe them) quite often.


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  • Raymond Metcalfe

    another nutter who lives in cloud cuckoo land. The sad thing is that many .people who have genuine mental health problems will seek exorcism from one of these nut cases

  • Tawreos

    Brent Goodrich, above – who drove several hours with his mother to meet Cloud, hoping to be freed of several demonic spirits the “archbishop” believed were attached to him.

    So these demons that are so in charge of his life allowed him to drive several hours in order to get rid of them. That seems to be awfully accommodating on the part of the demons, maybe they get a kickback from the Archbishop.

  • CoastalMaineBird

    Well, see – they don’t have the power to actually STOP him from driving, because they use all their power to “malevolently influence” the world and make people gay and stuff.

  • Michael Neville

    That Goodrich fellow was getting boring. The demons were looking for new souls to occupy, maybe someone who did more than just drive around looking for exorcists.

  • Vanity Unfair

    The main problem with exorcism is that there is never a sounder of pigs (I had to look that up) around when you really need them.

    Mark 5:9, Luke 8:30

  • Adam Blai looks like he could be the brother of awful Republican politician Louis Gohmert.

  • Ann Kah

    I’m going to assume he has a better command of the English language and its pronounciation. That doesn’t make him any less loony, of course. Craziness is a prerequisite for the job title of “exorcist”.

  • Raging Bee

    Where is their proof that demons exist, or that certain people were/are victims of demonic possession, as opposed to…anything else?

  • Raging Bee

    Demons are bound by the rules of God. They have to operate within those rules.

    So if God Himself is letting them do all this, what makes you think some jumped-up hick from Nowheresville, CO, is gonna stop them?

    Demon possession only happens if we invite the demon in.

    So it’s always the victim’s fault. Got it.

  • WallofSleep

    “… modern American society, with its interest in things such as drugs…”

    I’d say it’s more than an interest. Many people depend on modern drugs in order to survive.

  • What makes you think that atoms exist? Most chemists and physicists will tell you that atomism is merely a theoretical construct, used to explain certain phenomena. And, as such, there’s no more proof of the existence of atoms than there is of demons or proof that you, Raging Bee, actually exist.

  • Broga

    “If I hadn’t seen half the stuff I’ve seen in life, I wouldn’t believe it, either.”

    So why have I never seen it? Why have I not seen an angel on my front lawn? Why do atheists not see these satanic activities?

  • Darlando Eanon

    Sorry. Not buying into the Spooky Sky Daddy and the assorted and sundry fairy tales and fables commonly referred to as “the Bible”.

  • Raging Bee

    Sorry, but that’s just plain obscurantist 69horsemuffins. There’s PLENTY of proof that atoms exist, and NONE that demons exist. Just for starters, atoms are necessary to explain a huge variety of observed phenomena, and demons aren’t necessary to explain any.

  • Götterdämmerung

    No atoms, so no valency, chemicals bonds no life. Einstein mathematically proved the existence of atoms and as an old physicist, I can assure atoms do exist.

  • There are hundreds of insightful books on this subject that can assist you in understanding the notion of a theoretical construct. Here are two that I’d recommend:
    1. “Identity and Reality,” by Emile Meyerson.
    2. “The Metaphysical Foundations of Modern Science,” by E.M. Burtt.

  • Atoms are used to explain a variety of phenomena, but that means that atomism is a theoretical construct. If you precede beyond high school science to advanced theory and to the very foundations of chemistry, you will find that not only atomism but all scientific notions are but theoretical constructs and can’t be proved empirically. I’m gathering that you haven’t read any science for about fifty years.

  • Eddieward Aethel

    I took this news item as: White Americans are so totally sick and tired of being blamed and attacked that they are starting to form bizarre religious ideas to counter it
    Keep attacking us, MSM. You will ALL be hunted down and accounted for. 😀

  • Joshua Case

    You may need to get a better library. If reading those books proved to you that there are no atoms, and this, no atom to split releasing atomic energy, there is a serious problem. Theoretical basis for open questions in quantum mechanics not withstanding, there is no doubt they there exists a packet of matter and energy that most humans have agreed to call atoms. You don’t have to like it, but it is there.

  • Raging Bee

    Atoms are used to explain a variety of phenomena, but that means that atomism is a theoretical construct.

    No, it doesn’t mean any such thing. That’s a non-sequitur.

    And you still haven’t offered even one scrap of evidence that demons exist.

  • You state, “…most human have agreed to call atoms.” You are guilty of falling for the logical fallacy known as, “The Bandwagon Effect.” The fact that most humans believe something doesn’t mean diddly. The truth is not arrived at by majority rule.

    Let me ask you a question, and I don’t mean this in any bad way, but have you ever taken a philosophy course? Do they have a community college where you live that offers Philosophy 101, or perhaps “Philosophy of Science”? Sometimes they will let someone like you audit a course for non-credit. I think that you would find it very interesting and eye-opening. Any of the notions that you dogmatically cling to you would then begin to question, and you would then possess that rare thing known as an open mind.

  • I never said that demons exist! I merely said that the existence of atoms is no more a matter or empirical observation than the notion of atoms. To conclude that I believe in demons is an example of you engaging in a non-sequitur.

    Look, I’ve been teaching courses on the philosophy of science for over 30 years. It appears to me that your comments are naive and sophomoric, and display a very shallow understanding of the nature of scientific theory. As I stated to another fellow on this thread, there are many excellent books on the subject. And so, I wish you luck, but I must go, for I’m beginning to suspect that discussing this with you is an exercise in futility.

  • Raging Bee

    Look, I’ve been teaching courses on the philosophy of science for over 30 years.

    If your comments here are any indication, then you’re teaching 69bullshit, and you should be fired and replaced by a more honest teacher. But I’m betting you know that already, which is why you keep your comment history hidden.

    I never said that demons exist!

    Okay, so you accept that atoms exist and demons don’t? That means we’re in agreement. So what are you arguing, exactly?

  • Foster Mitchell

    Living in liberal Oregon, it is not surprising that he has seen a lot of demonic activity.

  • John J Sferrazza

    You don’t have to be sorry. You can either recognize God as Lord and Savior now, or be judged by Him later. I am sorry you have no belief in something “bigger” than the fallen, hopeless beings you see down here everyday.

  • Raymond Metcalfe

    he is just trying to prove he is a clever robin and we are not as well educated as he is all I can he is a wazack to use a northern expression

  • goodOlEd

    I don’t know the remedy, but I do know that Americans have kept and carried guns for 2+ centuries without significant problems. Imagine a rifle range used by the rifle club in the basement of the high school, not too uncommon in the 1950’s. Something is poisoning our society, breaking apart our families, and raising up very twisted individuals into our communities that we don’t seem to have the stomach to deal with.

  • CoastalMaineBird

    You can either recognize God as Lord and Savior now, or be judged by Him later.
    And is that really the only two possibilities that you see ?

    Don’t you think that everything about this story is BETTER explained by something else?

    What makes you think that there is a god who is going to judge me (and you, BTW) ?

  • CoastalMaineBird

    Because we just want to sin, dontcha know…

  • CoastalMaineBird

    What exactly is your point?
    If you want to argue that I cannot prove the existence of atoms, then you are correct.
    If you want to argue that I cannot prove the existence of demons, then you are correct.

    Our concept of atoms is wholly inferred. The model explains a whole lot about the universe and is getting refined as we go along, because we can make predictions based on the model and test those predictions.

    The concept of demons is wholly inferred. The model explains anything the user wants it to (which means it explains nothing). The model is not refined as we go along, and there are no predictions that have more than a chance basis of being correct.

    Offer some evidence for the existence of demons, and I will listen.

  • Raging Bee

    Right…you’re not actually saying demons exist, you’re just insulting and talking down to people who say there’s no evidence of demons. And then you’re trotting out the same old “it’s just a ‘theory'” rhetoric the creationists have been using since Darwin first published his book.

    If you’re teaching that sort of 69rubbish in a “philosophy of science” class, that’s a pretty damning commentary on philosophy. Or at least on one school’s philosophy department.

  • CoastalMaineBird

    I am sorry you have no belief in something “bigger”
    Why does that make you “sorry” ?

  • John J Sferrazza

    No, it is not better explained by something else. There is a darkness over this world that you would have to be blind not to recognize. I am sorry that you haven’t found faith, truly. You can’t learn it in a philosophy class. Get a copy of Mere Christianity, by CS Lewis. He can explain it far more eloquently than I can. You can argue with me all day, but when the creator of all that is seen and unseen, all arguments will be rendered useless. He is Perfection, and only through his Son are we made worthy. My faith tells me this is the truth. Pilate asked Jesus, “What is truth?” We will all find out one day. I have no animus towards you, and sincerely hope you pick up that text and read it with an open mind. Lewis was an educated atheist, converted by JRR Tolkein, and he ended up devoting his life as a Christian apologist. Best wishes.

  • Raging Bee

    Just TWO books?! You do know, do you not, that there’s far more than two books that say atoms do exist?

  • Ranger-Ric

    The lack of a basic knowledge concerning the capabilities and tools of science that I see here are astounding.

    We observed -visually- single atoms for the first time in the late 60s or early 70s. Since then, electron scanning microscopes have evolved technilogically to the point where we can measure their size, density and rotational speed.

    Good Lord people. If you don’t know something, look it up before you spout nonsense.

  • Raging Bee

    You are guilty of falling for the logical fallacy known as, “The Bandwagon Effect.”

    No, that’s not a “bandwagon effect,” that’s a consensus of credible sources whose explanations are consistent with observable reality, and whose evolving understanding is not contradicted by ANY more credible sources, ANYWHERE.

    And if you make any use of any of the technology arising from these “theories” you pretend to question — like, oh, I dunno, THE INTERNET? — then you are, de-facto, accepting the consensus just as much as we are, however pompously you pretend to have any superior meta-knowledge the rest of us don’t have.

  • Raging Bee

    Is “wazack” “northern” for “69wanker?”

  • Raging Bee

    So all have to offer us is vague threats of judgment in some alleged afterlife? That alone proves you have nothing.

  • Raging Bee

    “There is a darkness over this world that you would have to be blind not to recognize,” says the fool who is blind to everything BUT darkness.

  • Raging Bee

    He’s a PHILOSOPHER! He doesn’t HAVE to look anything up! That’s just shallow empiricism!

  • John J Sferrazza

    Interesting quote, but there is a light in the world, that is not of this world, that I also see. Are you blind to the light of the world? If so, please read my reply to CoastalMaineBird. It would be very applicable to you,too. I hope you are able to find the faith and love that I know, truly. Be well.

  • Raging Bee

    There’s PLENTY of light in this world, from many different sources and in many different colors, and very little of it comes from religious airheads like you. That, we can plainly see. Be smart.

  • John J Sferrazza

    It makes me sorry because as a believer, I know that faith in Christ is what gives you Heavenly access. It is sad to think someone is that jaded that not only do they not believe in our creator, they want to actively chip away at the faith of the believers. The Good News is they still have time to repent and believe. I truly hope they do. I read this article as spritual warfare interests me. Having warfare on the internet does not. Have a great day.

  • Dewreck

    The worst sort of con artist.

  • Raging Bee

    Again, nothing to offer but threats of God’s judgment. Do you really think that’s a “light” for the world?

  • Raging Bee

    So THAT’S why no one can ever exorcise demons from rich and powerful people — they never get close enough to any pigs to make it possible! I wonder if that’s one of God’s rules the demons are allowed to play by…

  • Raging Bee

    Or that one of those nut cases will find a mentally-ill or injured person, and use him/her to pretend he’s casting out demons. That happened to a friend of mine in high school: he fell off his bike, hit his head, was in a coma, woke up visibly less functional than before, and then got beaten to death by an “exorcist.”

  • JSpicoli

    10 years ago i would have thought him a heretic. Now I think otherwise.

  • JSpicoli

    None for those who choose to look the other way

  • JSpicoli

    Is that what it is lady?

  • Raging Bee

    Okay, what is there for those who DON’T “choose to look the other way?”

  • Raging Bee

    Do you have a point lady?

  • Götterdämmerung

    Only two books! My personal library of over a thousand books contains several hundred on Physics and Mathematics, quite a few on Chemistry as well as copies of various scientific papers. It seems you need to read a book on basic Physics.

  • David Coker

    Who living today worships Lucifer. They admit it. Just ask a Shriner. Once they get to the 33rd degree they all know the real deal. All 33 degrees of Freemasonry come from the Kabbalah. The Kabbalah is also practiced by the Ultra Orthodox Jews. The fundamentals of Kabbalah are simple. There is power in the blood and the more innocent the blood the more power. I am talking ritual human sacrifice. Ritual human sacrifice of a male child is said to be the most powerful. War creates chaos and litters the landscape with orphans. Their hirelings swoop in a scoop up as many children as possible before order is restored. Secret societies are the hidden masters of this wicked domain. John Kerry and George Bush, BROTHERS in Skull and Bones running for POTUS at the same time didn’t even raise an eyebrow. That is evidence of their INCREDIBLE power. At the pinnacle is the Rothschild Dynasty. The RICHEST family on the planet but all we ever hear about is Carlos Slim, Gates, Bezos, Buffet and Zuckerberg. Their billions are small change when compared to the Rothschild trillions. CENSORSHIP IS COMING According to them it will be for our own good.

  • John J Sferrazza

    There is much hostility in you. Again, I feel sorry and I hope you find something or someone to ease your suffering. I have cast no dispersions on you and you openly attack me for my belief? That’s sad. Read Lewis. Maybe he can show you the way, where I have failed.

  • javeon99

    Come to KNOW what is before your face, and that which is hidden from you, will be revealed to you. -Jesus

  • hogprint

    We see examples of it every week…they run around w black masks on and call themselves “Antifa” or “Pantifa” or some such craziness…

  • hogprint

    The poison is Radicalized democrats. Plain and simple.

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    A transmission electron microscope can be used to see nanoparticles and atoms. No, you can’t see an atom, but you can see trillions of them. Incidentally, you’re seeing some right now.
    You might want to update your reading list. Emile Meyerson died in 1933. Some stuff has happened since then. (Like that microscope I mentioned)
    “The Metaphysical Foundations of Modern Science” was written by Edwin Arthur Burtt, not E. M. Burtt.

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”
    ― Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt: Hitchhiking the Galaxy One Last Time

  • Why not actually read these books?

  • persephone

    The payout is in the repossession, not the original possession.

  • Ryushin Malone
  • When you say that something exists, do you mean objectively real? Over 200 years ago, people began to realize that even the notion of “out there” is “in here.”

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    I sincerely hope that your eternal, never-ending for infinity, everlasting life in the Heavenly hereafter, prostate at the feet of your Lord and Savior is every bit as inspiring, curiosity-laden, scintillating, serendipitous, innovative and imaginative as you appear to be. I think you’ve certainly got it coming.

  • persephone

    One of the big claims I remember from when I was being Christianized was that Christianity helped people leave behind superstition and fantasy and move into a real world without fear.

    Obviously, that was a complete lie. Christians are so scared of the dark and shadows and odd noises and anything that isn’t bright and shiny and in church.

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    Enough already.

    If you want to talk philosophy, perhaps you should give it a try at The Tippling Philosopher. I’m sure the folks there would love to hear your perspective.

  • It sees to me that you need to take a physic, so as to purge yourself of a lot of antiquated notions. If, after reading all those books, you still believe that the notion of atom in not a theoretical construct, but that atoms possess an objective reality, then bless your heart.

  • Is this establishment in London?

  • An atom, by definition, is something that is indivisible. And yet, quantum physicists keep discovering smaller and smaller particles. The very notion of a atom is a contradiction of terms, because whatever exists is divisible.

    When I was in high school, I was looking at my chemistry book and my teacher said to me “what color are the electrons?” I said blue. “And what color are the protons?” I said red. And then he explained to me that color exists in the subject. The parts of atoms don’t have a color.

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    The blog author is from the UK but if you click on the link42 I provided above, all your entertainment dreams will be realized.

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    Will reading them completely change my world view, make me a better person, eliminate poverty and hunger, cure my diabetes, save my immortal soul from eternal damnation42, eliminate demons, shadow people and poltergeists, enlighten me with here-to-for unknown knowledge of perpetual motion machines and cold fusion, stop global warming, and/or give me some pointers on how to get tea stains off my teeth? I hope reading them doesn’t turn me into a philosophical entertainer.

  • CrackleDMan

    Any thoughts on how to categorize Bergoglio?

  • Barry Duke

    “I know that faith in Christ is what gives you Heavenly access ….”

    John, my old darling, I have faith that in another dimension a giant, blue, six-legged bovine will, through my devout worship, grant me life in a paradise where I will be younger, stronger, taller, more handsome and more virile than I am now, and will have unlimited access to sumptuous male flesh.

    Is my faith more ridiculous than yours, or millions of Muslims who believe that martyrdom will give them 72 virgins in Islam’s heaven?

    You whitter on ad nauseum about “faith”, blind to the fact that you what you really mean is wishful thinking.

    The fact is that you did not exist before you were born so there’s nothing to suggest that you will continue to exist after you turn up your toes.

    You can’t come here in a bid to pit faith against reason and expect to win. Now I suggest you go play nice with your invisible friends. Don’t keep them waiting. You never know what a terrible revenge they may bring down on your head if you turn up late to the party.

  • anthony williams

    he is right. The devil is a trouble maker.

  • James

    Who gave a green light to this clowns release?

  • Thank you. It looks like an interesting and thought-provoking philosophical blog, my cup of tea. I’m going read some of the essays this evening.

  • rmc9

    Only Jesus stops satan. “…for apart from me, you can do nothing.” Jesus talk

  • rmc9

    …and You should be at the front of the line too…

  • Head Honcho

    Start with any democrat.Most are either serving evil, or are actually possessed by a demon.

  • Mack

    I know the devil exists; I dated her.

  • discusblocksgod

    My people suffer for lack of knowledge – Hosea 4:6

    Those who follow human teachers who are in error will be destroyed – Isaiah 9:16

    Seek The LORD to teach you – Matthew 23:8-10

    As long as you violate the Will of The Father and depend on some religion or some exorcist without His Leading, you are vulnerable to fall into error which can be very serious.

    to go to roman catholicism is to go to the devil sun worship rooted religion to shake out the devil – the highest deception

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    You’re welcome

  • Gil
  • Götterdämmerung

    In your first comment you claimed atoms do not exist and now that you’ve been called out you switch to “objective realty”, so typical of a philosopher. We’re not certain what your point is, if you actually have one, apart from – in your reply to me – being a patronising dickhead.

  • CoastalMaineBird

    I know that faith in Christ is what gives you Heavenly access.
    No, you don’t. You know no such thing. To say that you do is a lie.
    Maybe you believe that.
    Maybe you really, really, really want it to be true.

    But if you can’t show it, then you don’t know it.

  • CoastalMaineBird

    prostate at the feet of your Lord
    What are his feet doing up there ? 😉

  • Sporttster

    How do you know a atom exists? By observing it under a microscope. How do you know a demon exists? By observing its influence in the subjects possessed. We know (” “) that distant planets exist by seeing a change in the star they orbit when they pass in front, yet we cannot see the influence of a demon clearly in a individual?? Get out of here with that nonsense!

  • James Frederick Hyland

    God’s prolonged spiritual judgment has already begun on the entire world, this is why things are in such a downturn. To learn more, check E Bible Fellowship.

  • There is undoubtedly spiritual warfare going on. It’s been happening for thousands of years. Part of that warfare is the belittling of people who believe in it’s existence. People who don’t believe in God are generally the ones causing chaos in our society, whether it is trying to remove a duly elected president, putting men in the women’s rooms or leaving the country open for unfettered access to illegal aliens. If we don’t fight back spiritually, and use God, who is all around us, Satan wins. It wouldn’t be the first time and I suspect it won’t be the last. Wake up people!

  • Mike Jones

    God is not all powerful.

  • Michael Newsham

    I used to be a Buddhist back in the 1970s and when people heard that they would get all excited and want to tell me all about their past lives. They would be shocked when I told them I wasn’t interested in reincarnation. The Buddha had told us what the problem was (in the Four Noble Truths) and what to do about it (the Eight-Fold Path), so who cared? I would think believing Christians should have even less problem- God is their Creator, Jesus is their Saviour, so who cares about demons?

  • Raging Bee

    Okay, so show us the documented “influence” on people that can’t be explained by any means other than demons.

  • Raging Bee

    More 69dumbass incoherent threats from yet another person who clearly has no idea what he’s talking about. You are dismissed, along with your anti-Catholic bigotry.

    If you can’t come up with a REAL reason to oppose the Catholic Church (there’s plenty to choose from!), then you’re just too 69stupid to be here.

  • Raging Bee

    Who the heck do you think you are anyway?

    Someone who sees through your obvious 69bullshit, that’s who.

  • Raging Bee

    So you have nothing. Got it. Buh-bye.

  • Raging Bee

    “Hostility?” Excuse me, but YOU’RE the one coming here with childish vindictive fantasies of terrifying judgment and eternal punishment of people who don’t believe your 69BS. You’re the one being hostile, not me. Grow up and put away such childish things, as your Bible commands.

  • John Charles

    All warfare is SPIRITUAL warfare. Get right with God. Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

  • His power comes from the faithfulness of believers. So if you don’t believe he is powerful, than he isn’t. But be warned other forces will fill that void.

  • Raging Bee

    Oh look, here’s a recent example of demonic possession and exorcism:

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2019/10/arizona-father-kills-6-year-old-son-while-performing-exorcism-to-cast-out-demons/

    Since this particular “exorcism” actually KILLED an innocent child, the very least you apologists can do is show some evidence to justify thinking he’d been possessed in the first place. Go ahead, we’re waiting…

  • Raging Bee

    Got any evidence to back that up?

  • fredbailey

    Wrong, partner- satan has no power to force anyone do anything. Your Bible tells you that if you’ll just open it and read what it says.

    God gave Adam and Eve dominion over this planet and every living creature and thing on it in Genesis 1:28. Adam and Eve gave up the authority/dominion that God gave them when they ate the forbidden fruit. Nowhere does tthe Bible say that God took back the authority that He gave to Adam and Eve. They merely relinquished that authority to the devil. Jesus came and took back all of that authority from the devil in Col 2:15, and in Mat 10:1, Luke 9:1, Luke 10:19 along with other scriptures, Jesus gave all that authority back to MAN where God intended for it to be all along.

    The devil is already a defeated foe. Jesus did that at the Cross. The devil not this all-powerful being that cannot be defeated, as hollyweird has been presenting for years.

    The thing that MOST Christians aren’t aware of is the simple fact that satan has NO power other than to get a person to believe his lies.

    That’s even what he had to resort to with Adam and Eve- he convinced them of a lie and coerced them into eating the forbidden fruit. He did not “force” them to do anything. He knew he had to use lies and deception (and he still is)- else, he would have had a wooly mammoth or some other huge creature to put his foot on their heads and tell them he was going to crush them to death if they did not do what he wanted them to do.

    So- learn of your freedom. The devil cannot do anything to anyone without their consent and their cooperation.

  • Dick Grace

    Sounds like most folks don’t bother to read the Bible.

  • Raging Bee

    First you say Satan has no power; then you say Satan “coerced” Adam and Eve. If you knew what that word means, then you’d know how blatantly you just contradicted yourself.

    Grow up two decades and try again, “partner.”

  • Raging Bee

    So…being friendly to the world God created for us, and being friendly to other people who were also created and loved by God, is being hostile to God? You really don’t seem to understand what “friendship” really is. Which is both laughable and sad at the same time. Get help.

  • TruckFumpf

    Oh lord.

    No Dem gives a fug about Antifa idiots, theyre not ours.

    You are one brainwashed sucka.

    Sad.

  • Raging Bee

    As long as we don’t have to see what he does with a crucifix…

  • Dick Grace

    It is stupidity such as yours that is the problem.

  • Raging Bee

    An atom, by definition, is something that is indivisible.

    Yes, that was the OLD definition, and since then we’ve learned more about atoms. That doesn’t mean we don’t really know whether atoms exist.

    PS: Your high-school anecdote doesn’t prove anything either; it’s just silly.

  • Raging Bee

    Apparently, down South, where you live, you never give any good reason for discounting other people’s ideas. That says a lot about what kind of “philosopher of science” you’re likely to be.

  • Raging Bee

    Because the only person recommending them is demonstrably wrong and has no credibility.

  • Raging Bee

    Which people are you talking about? Flat-Earthers?

  • Raging Bee

    Yeah, Torley buggered off, so they need another chew-toy over there.

  • Raging Bee

    Why not? We might appreciate some philosophical 69fart jokes.

  • Raging Bee

    Show where I’m wrong and I’ll take your childish insult seriously.

  • Randy

    The poison is radicalized republicans. Plain and simple.

  • Raging Bee

    Sounds like you’re making ignorant assumptions about people of whom you know nothing and care even less. It’s a verified fact that both pagans and atheists tend to read and understand the Bible better than many (if not most) Christians.

  • Barry Duke

    I was genuinely puzzled as to why this post was attracting so many comments and was by far the most popular on Patheos yesterday, attracting around 40,000 hits (and counting). The reason is that it was featured on The Drudge Report (https://www.drudgereport.com/). It’s certainly brought lunatic faith-heads out in their droves. Some comments by Christians have been so deranged I’ve simply trashed them.

    I have also received an abusive email from someone called Justin Wright complaining about my post (https://tinyurl.com/y3ylshal) about two homophobic kids: “Calling 10yr old children homophobic. What a despicable thing to say. Judging a 10yr old by YOUR standards, a “grown adult”. How very mature of you, you must have immense intellect you piece of sh*t. Throwing derogatory names at children, you pathetic weasel. I know you don’t have children yourself, thank God for that I suppose. A real low life you are, slandering children in “news” articles. You bottom of the barrel vile scumbag. Please please please NEVER have children, you horrible scumbag bully.”

    I replied: Mr Wright, I labeled these kids homophobic because that’s PRECISELY what they are. Have you blasted abusive emails off to the the numerous Christians who called Swedish environmentalist Greta Thunberg “mentally ill”? Here’s one of the first: https://tinyurl.com/yy8lwrzq

    If not, why not?

  • Raging Bee

    The Drudge Report? That rag is still in “business?”

  • Raging Bee

    Maybe he told the demons they were skipping work for a long driving excursion and picnic?

  • chris black

    This is the first site that actually shows the down votes! What good are they if no one sees them? I wish other sites would follow suit. I bet I have had quite a few over the years.

  • You seem very obsessed with this tribe. Which one is it, exactly?

  • Raging Bee

    So you’re a supporter of a child-rapist who is in Putin’s pocket and knowingly incites and panders to violent racism? That puts you squarely on the WRONG side of all that “spiritual warfare.”

  • Raging Bee

    This graphic smells of cat food. And sadness.

  • Raging Bee

    And why doesn’t this guy specify what “stuff” he’s seen?

  • strawnman

    C.S. Lewis wrote “There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them. They themselves are equally pleased by both errors, and hail a materialist or magician with the same delight” (C.S. Lewis. The Screwtape Letter. 1941, p. 3).

  • Raging Bee

    Yeah, but disbelief yields more rational action, and more enlightened conclusions, than either the other extreme, or any of that muddy space in between.

  • Raging Bee

    Right…your God can be weakened simply by disbelief…but those “other forces” you speak of aren’t? Which “other forces” are you talking about? REALITY certainly doesn’t get weaker if you don’t believe it.

  • Raging Bee

    I thought unclean spirits DISrespected God’s authority. Now you’re saying they’re all reliably loyal and obedient to him?

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    That Irish pub offer sounds lovely. I’m told by some acquaintances that I do indeed have a lively wit (too lively and biting, oftentimes) and I like to think I have a positive outlook with no regrets.

    I spent a good time during my formative years (23-30) reading Camus, Sartre, Dostoevsky, Hesse, Nietzsche, Pynchon, Vonnegut, Malamud, Pirsig and a host of others. Some (Camus) were severely depressing and others have probably shaped my world view. I would call myself a Sartre Existentialist (He wouldn’t like that) with severe pragmatism issues. This is probably why those who spout metaphysics always triggers me.

    I find wonder in new scientific discoveries be they in microbiology, astrophysics, particle theory, or gastronomy. I suppose one could broadly define that as an interest in that thing called life.

  • Raging Bee

    I don’t believe in either Buddhism or Christianity, but I gotta say the former seems to attract a better class of mentally-unstable sods than the latter. I’d trust someone blithering about past lives FAR more than someone blithering about demons making them do “bad” things.

  • Raging Bee

    Are they cousins of the Bilderbergers?

  • Raging Bee

    You created that account just to post those two comments? That’s even sadder.

  • Raging Bee

    I wonder if there’s Muslim weirdos?

  • Raging Bee

    So…you have no clue what we’re talking about, so you change the subject to guns. Duly noted.

  • My favorite among those thinkers are Dostoevsky and Nietzsche. Although I have read Sartre and although I disagree with him on a great many issues, I regard him as one of the most powerful thinkers of the 20th Century. Dostoevsky’s “The Brother’s Karamozov” is rightfully regarded as the profoundest novel ever written, although his others novels are also great. I would add to the list Soren Kierkegaard, Franz Kafka, and several others. Although I Nietzsche’s “Beyond Good and Evil” and “Thus Spoke Zarathrustra” are my favorites of his. Ironically, although I’m rather religious, I feel a rather deep spiritual kinship with Nietzsche.

    Without a knowledge of philosophy, it is really impossible to truly understand science. This is all the more so when it comes to modern physics. As great as Einstein was as a scientist, I think that he had a certain shallowness as a philosopher. The quantum physicists are a good deal deeper and are a short distance from Zen Buddhism.

    Gastronomy? Food can be a road to self-knowledge and a doorway into the depths of life’s mysteries. Indeed, Sartre, in “Being and Nothingness,” has a section entitled “Existential Psychoanalysis.” In it he explore the ontology of food, as well as that of sports, smoking, and a great many other things. It was an insight, in a French cafe, in the 1930s, while drinking a peach brandy, that made him realize the philosophical depths of everyday life.

  • I’m guessing they’re either Romani or Jews. Or both.

  • Raymond Metcalfe

    And which line is that then?

  • Matt G

    What the hell is wrong with these people?

  • Matt G

    Pork, bacon and ham don’t count?

  • Raging Bee

    Without a knowledge of philosophy, it is really impossible to truly understand science. … As great as Einstein was as a scientist, I think that he had a certain shallowness as a philosopher.

    Your own mention of Einstein flatly refutes your opinion. If Einstein didn’t need philosophy, then who does?

  • Raging Bee

    It sees to me that you need to take a physic, so as to purge yourself of a lot of antiquated notions.

    It seems to me that you need to specify which “notions” you’re calling “antiquated,” otherwise your comment is no more than an empty insult.

  • Mike Panic

    B^)

  • Mike Panic

    Maybe I should start going by “Pope Mike?” Cardinal Mike? Colonel Panic?

  • Mike Panic

    mdillof roved his creationist background when he used the Scientific term “69douchebag.”

  • Mike Panic

    I see I ticked off the church lady when I used the term “69douchebag”

    Is 69douchebag a scientific or philosophical term?

  • Mike Panic

    Once again I ticked off the church ladies keeping naughty words from sensitive ears.

    The people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki will tell you the atom IS
    divisible. “69Fat Man” and “69Little Boy” were fission bombs splitting a
    half of a gram of nuclear atoms. The H Bomb i far stronger than the
    atom bomb because it uses fusion of hydrogen atoms as in the sun. An H
    Bomb actually uses an fission atom bomb to start the fusion of hydrogen.

  • Barry Duke

    Yeah. Just don’t talk about c*r*a*p weather!

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    I enjoyed Kafka’s “Metamorphosis” as I generally do most novels that teeter on the edge. I was never much of a Nietzsche fan even though he was a favorite among the love children in the area of my youth. I was more into getting high, getting laid and reading Hunter Thompson at that time. Now I’m currently immersed in reading all the Haruki Murakami novels.

    Right now I am, and others are trying to get as many people as we can to sign a petition to get the BBC to release on DVD the adaptation of John Paul Sartre’s novels that comprise “The Roads to Freedom”. I have never seen it but I’m told it was one of the finest series ever made for television. For some reason, the BBC refuses to release it again even among pressure from the director to do so. If you would be interested, here is the link42: Every little bit helps.

  • I shall sign the petition.

    Down where I live, Hunter Thompson is our favorite son.

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    Thank you.

    He was a pistol, alright.

  • Jim Jones

    > Now he’s an Archbishop

    Meh. I’m a cardinal! I win.

  • Jim Jones

    The Bible. The book that millions own . . . . and dozens read.

  • Jim Jones

    https://youtu.be/XVSRm80WzZk

    That played in my head.

  • John Charles

    Find God. God did create this world for mankind, before it embraced evil and banality. Banal, like your response. The statement holds. I am NO friend of this world.

  • None of these things are true. I suggest you turn off Rachel Maddow and educate yourself.

  • Dick Grace

    The ignorance is on your end. I note you don’t quote the word due to lack of understanding. You throw around unverified facts without support. Try Hosea 4:6 and James 1:5. Try learning instead of ranting it might work for you.

  • Raging Bee

    Thanks for proving my point.

  • Raging Bee

    It’s all true and documented — and not just by Maddow either. There are plenty of conservative publications who have been following all of this and admitting Trump is pond-scum. I suggest you turn off Drudge and educate yourself.

  • Raging Bee

    Just another Christian snowflake, too good for the world, and the people, his God (allegedly) created. I’d love to hear you tell God how sh1tty his creation is; and I’d love even more to hear Satan laughing at your childishness.

  • Dick Grace

    Oh great and omnificent fount of knowledge what percent of all that can be known do you oh enlightened one possess?

  • Raging Bee

    Not enough for my own satisfaction, but far more than you. Next question?

  • fredbailey

    OK- I’ll concede a wrong choice of words to fit your narrative.
    Whether you like it or not, there is no evidence of satan/lucifer being able to force Adam and Eve into doing anything. They had more power than he did…Genesis 1:28 clearly states that.
    I was using the word “coerced” as meaning “tricked into”..or convinced- because lucifer lied to Eve when he had his conversation with her- he tricked her into believing a lie.
    You are apparently one of many examples of it being true that the devil can easily trick some people into believing his lies.
    It appears that you may subscribe to this exorcism stuff- so maybe you could look into getting that “rage” exorcised out of you while you’re at it, “partner”
    I meant no sarcasm in my original post- I was merely attempting to debunk some BS

  • Raging Bee

    “Bully the young and innocent?” You want me to act like a Christian “leader?” I’ve already seen how little good that does anyone.

  • John Charles

    Just listen as he appears to speak to you, you’ll hear it. Anyone who overcomes the temptations of the world are, like myself, are in it but not OF it. Jesus died on the cross for ALL of us, you too.

  • Raging Bee

    Prove your imaginary enemy exists, and I’ll take your stale recycled 69drivel seriously. And while you’re at it, maybe you could FINALLY get the details straight — is Satan less powerful than Adam and Eve, or is he so powerful and devious that only God can stop him from destroying God’s own creation? You Christians have been talking out of both ends of your a$$es on that issue for as long as I can remember. It’s almost like y’all are just making stuff up on the fly to suit various immediate needs, then pretending it’s not the self-contradictory hot mess we all see it is.

  • Raging Bee

    I’ve heard lots of voices speaking to me at various times…none of them corroborate anything you Christians have said.

  • John Charles

    I will pray for you. Consider your fate carefully.

  • Raging Bee

    I will think for you. Consider your character carefully.

  • John Charles

    I think for myself, you had best learn to think far more carefully than you do, consider your soul carefully.

  • guerillasurgeon

    Okay, let’s hope that the “formal” Catholic way of dealing with Beelzebub and his minions is a little less dangerous than the more informal Protestant methods of suffocation or pouring hot water down a kid’s throat. Incidentally, that photograph at the top – are we sure that’s the real thing it looks like someone has photoshopped a tiny head on a giant body. I mean I’m all for satire but that’s something I can’t unsee.

  • Raging Bee

    My soul is prepared. How’s yours? Apparently no so good, considering that you have nothing to offer us but vague threats and “you better beware” of some unspecified horrible fate that awaits everyone who doesn’t agree with you. If you have nothing more decent and positive than that, then you’re the one in trouble, not me. Your empty robotic ravings are dismissed.

  • Raging Bee

    Funny how you avoid talking about character. That says a lot about yours.

  • Arthur F. Meincke

    Believe whatever nonsense you want, this is more fiction.

  • John Charles

    I will continue to pray for you, but this circular “conversation” is finished as well as pointless. You don’t agree with me? That is fine with me. Find Jesus, I have nothing to add other than that. Bye-bye.

  • Dick Grace

    I am a country boy and we tame raging bulls by making them steers.

  • Raging Bee

    Another one sticks the flounce…

  • Sassafras
  • I will also pray Eldath, Goddess of peace, waterfalls, druidic groves, springs, and pools, for you.

  • I will pray Lurue, the Unicorn, for you.

  • Astreja

    No one dies in my place, John. The Passover long weekend “sacrifice” of the almost certainly mythologized (or wholly mythical) Jesus is rejected unconditionally.

  • Astreja

    (raises mug of champagne mead to Allfather Oðinn) Skál!

  • Astreja

    *ahem* High-magnification microscopy has now advanced to the point where we have actually seen atoms. Look right in the middle of this photograph.

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    Why does this God thingy they keep talking about never speak for itself? You would think something this omnipotent and this shy would get better ambassadors.

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    Dr. Rachel Maddow, PhD. educated herself with a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford and holds degrees in public policy and political science. Sean Hannity dropped out of college. Hannity is who Trump listens to.

    Educate yourself.

  • Thanks4AllTheFish
  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    “The devil cannot do anything to anyone without their consent and their cooperation.”

    You could have stopped after the first five words because there is no evidence that this creature exists outside the minds of believers.

    You’re welcome.

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    You caught that sneaky word manipulation, didn’t you?

  • Raging Bee

    Yeah, BAD fiction. It makes me miss the realism and plausibility of a Jason Bourne movie.

  • Raging Bee

    Sometimes it’s nice to know who you’ve triggered…

  • Raging Bee

    …and no two people can agree on.

  • Raging Bee

    I am a city man and none of you crackers have tamed me yet.

  • Raging Bee

    If we can argue about Jon Snow’s political skills, why not argue about demons?

  • Raging Bee

    Damn, are you telling me I overestimated the intelligence of a Fox hack?

  • al kimeea

    believe or suffer – that’s some real love right there

  • Fred Rickson

    “They’re constantly, constantly making noise. The ones — the ones around me just hiss and hiss at me.”. Sounds like my tinnitus.

  • Marc Weeks

    “Interest in Ouija boards”? Who? Where? I wonder if there are online versions available, where the players put their hands on a mouse.

  • Marc Weeks

    Sorry, man, Einstein pretty much ended the discussion on the existence of atoms over a hundred years ago.

  • Shaun G. Lynch

    This guy is a weird outlier among weird outliers. Obsession with the demonic and interest in exorcism falls well outside the lived experience of the vast majority of mainstream Catholics.

  • “Philosophy buries its undertakers.” — Etiene Gilson

    In other words, philosophy, science, mathematics — indeed all creations of the human mind — involve an ever-ongoing discussion. And those old folks, like yourself, who declare that the end has finally been reached, eventually get proven wrong. Sorry man.

  • Izumi Shikibu

    Seems to me that someone like Blai who is so aware of which demons are coming and going, which are just visiting, which have brought a toothbrush and plan on staying awhile must’ve “invited” an awful lot of the little creeps in. The “archbishop” appears to be P. T. Barnum reincarnated. “A sucker born every minute”.

  • fredbailey

    I always wonder why you guys that comment only on the last sentence or two- why the hell did you read the whole post?
    I love you guys who think you’ve got it all figured out…and I do mean that. But, it’s those of you who think that- that when you die, you’re dead and there’s nothing else. That’s it…
    I love you- but I also feel so sorry for you- simply because regardless of how good you do, or don’t have it here on Earth- money, possessions, good times…whatever- you think this is all there is.
    And the saddest thing is that when you find out different- and that will be when you die- you’ll want to blame something, or someone, for not telling you that there is, indeed, more to “forever” than this wisp of smoke we call life.
    So- if you have the balls, then find a Bible and read Romans 10:9,10.
    If you aren’t interested, or think I’m a fool…
    Well, you’ve been told.
    So, now you have no one to blame but you.
    You’re welcome.

    P.S.- if I’m wrong, I got absolutely nothing to lose. But you? I don’t like your side of the bet.

    P.S.S. I LOVE the way you guys do that italics thingy- but, I can’t figure out how to do it

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    Oh, I read the whole post but am certainly no wiser from doing so.

    You make assumptions about our knowledge of the Bible as if 1) you are the only person who understands what it really says and 2) we are ignorant of what’s in it. We know all too well what is in your sacred tome and we find the authors were severely lacking in linguistic prose, continuity and fact checking. This alone disqualifies it as anything other than the ramblings of semi-literate scribes intent on imposing their brand of religious fervor onto others. When you take into account all the “information” that has been shown to be historically inaccurate (I’m being kind here), surgically removed or edited by clergy, beyond the realm of physics, and just downright ludicrous, with no imparted knowledge of practical use such as medical pathology or hygiene, etc., and the excessive use of lethal force rather than conflict resolution skills to solve societal problems, then it becomes obvious to any astute observer that your Bible is merely second-rate adult fiction with some magic stuff and should come with a “mature audiences only” disclaimer in the flyleaf.

    And you people believe and are willing to indoctrinate your children into this religion that promises wonderful things no one has ever seen and can’t even describe but only if you obey the rules set forth by this invisible god who threatens them with unbelievable torture for eternity if they don’t quite measure-up. YIKES! Apparently, pretending one believes-in and loves this god is a requirement, as it seems to be quite needy and has self-esteem and abandonment issues along with an unhealthy retribution complex.

    Sounds totally plausible. I can see the attraction.

    “P.S.- if I’m wrong, I got absolutely nothing to lose. But you? I don’t like your side of the bet.”

    You think Pascal’s Wager is going to save you? What if you’re worshiping the wrong god? I’m not sure that is going to sit well with Allah/Zeus/Cthulhu or any of the other literally thousands of gods dreamed up my mankind. I’m thinking a true god™ would appreciate a skeptical person who was true to his/her own knowledge rather than someone who pretends to believe merely for the sake of blissful eternity or not offending some supernatural entity with ego problems. But you’re half-right. All you have to lose is the knowledge that you weren’t an empty vessel that needed filling with a holy spirit and that your whole life was spent worshiping wishful thinking. I can think of worse ways to go.

    “P.S.S. I LOVE the way you guys do that italics thingy- but, I can’t figure out how to do it”

    You use with an i in-between to start italics and use with a /i to close the italics. Same with bold using b or underline using u.

    Thanks for your comment.

  • Mythblaster

    People really believe this stuff??? Wow… just wow.

  • Silverwolf13

    Can he exorcise Donald Trump and Mike Pence from us?

  • Nick Kavanagh

    Upvote for Murakami.

  • What about Jack Sparrow?

  • Jim Jones

    Keith Richards isn’t dead yet.

  • “…people who believe in it’s existence.”

    “its”, not “it’s”. I dont put any credence in people who dont know the proper use’s of apostrophe’s.

  • You dated my sister?

  • That “Lord” sounds an awful lot like Trump.

  • I’ve read Lewis. He’s pure bullsh!t.

  • DingoJack

    “The exorcist revealed that he and his team run into the “main” ones that are named in the Bible (or “upper management” as Blai likes to describe them) quite often.”
    So Demons are micro-managers who are poor at delegating? Hmm guess that explains “Demons are bound by the rules of God. They have to operate within those rules.”
    Remember folks, god made us in his image!

  • DingoJack
  • DingoJack

    Quick everyone – clap, clap hard!

  • DingoJack
  • DingoJack

    <i>this is in italics</i&gt.
    This is in italics
    Replace ‘i’ with ‘b’ for bold; replace with ‘u’ for underline; replace with ‘s’ for strikeout

  • Raging Bee

    If you’re miserable and desperately want to pretend your god makes you happy clap your hands!
    If you’re mis —

    Hmmm, gotta work on that I guess…

  • David Cromie

    Judging by his appearance, the self-styled ‘archbishop’ appears to have consumed more than his fair share of demons.

    As for ‘Pedro the exorcist’, yes, it is necessary to use the right incantation woo, and in the correct order, to make magic spells work efficiently. Since, otherwise, transubstantiation would never materialise either.

  • DingoJack

    Apologies for the obscure reference: The end of chapter 13 of Peter Pan by J M Barrie

    “Do you believe?” he cried.
    Tink sat up in bed almost briskly to listen to her fate.
    She fancied she heard answers in the affirmative, and then again she wasn’t sure.
    “What do you think?” she asked Peter.
    “If you believe,” he shouted to them, “clap your hands; don’t let Tink die.”
    Many clapped.
    Some didn’t.
    A few beasts hissed.
    The clapping stopped suddenly; as if countless mothers had rushed to their nurseries to see what on earth was happening; but already Tink was saved. First her voice grew strong, then she popped out of bed, then she was flashing through the room more merry and impudent than ever. She never thought of thanking those who believed, but she would have liked to get at the ones who had hissed.

  • Doesn’t really matter. I’ve listened to Maddow many times in an effort to understand liberals. I do the same thing with Arianna Huffington. None of the things these people say make sense unless you think the fruits of your private labor efforts should be shared with others and women’s restrooms should be used by men.

  • “Its or it’s” is the most common word involved in usage errors and is thus an easy way to protect your false viewpoints. Typical liberal looking for the easy way out. Pathetic.

  • Astreja

    John, I am firmly of the opinion that there is no heaven, and that you’re just wasting this life waiting for another one. At least scrape together a modicum of dignity and stop threatening people with the wrath of your imaginary friend. If it really exists and wants to make our acquaintance, it should probably do so in person because you and other believers simply aren’t convincing.

  • Astreja

    John, you were uttering threats by proxy. Of course people are hostile to you! How would you like it if I told you that Allfather Oðinn had decided that you weren’t hero material and wouldn’t be invited to Valhalla?

  • smrnda

    It’s a theoretical construct, but so is everything. The question is whether there is a better one.

  • smrnda

    “People who don’t believe in God are generally the ones causing chaos in our society”

    Entire nations disbelieve in the Christian god, and many are much more orderly than the US.

  • smrnda

    I earn more than other people not because I work harder than them, but because of a number of privileges which are really just chance. In addition, people like me (I’m in the tech industry) have a massive influence on the job market. It is our ‘innovation’ that benefits us, but puts other people out of work. The system is rigged in our favor, so a little tiny bit of tax money getting thrown towards others is hardly unjust.

    What I find utterly comical is that those who oppose the redistribution of wealth usually have much less than people who are for it, because so much of their self-worth is based on sneering at the people beneath them.

  • DingoJack

    What are you doing gabbing on the intertoobs John?
    You’ve got roads, dams, pipelines, sewers, hospitals, police & military forces, emergency, social & waste-disposal services, libraries, sports stadia & other recreational structures & services, power and communication grids to build, staff & maintain —
    wouldn’t wanna share all those with the riff-raff, that’d be socialism!!!

  • Raging Bee

    HUMANS are real, and the evil we too often do is real. Demons, not so much.

  • Raging Bee

    That’s been my question for many years — one would think demons are clever enough to possess POWERFUL people, in order to do the most harm in this world; so why is NO ONE EVER talking seriously about exorcising anyone other than troubled teenagers?

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    Well if those are the primary two things that are what molds your world view, then it isn’t difficult [for me] to understand why you discount intellectual discourse in favor of confirmation bias.

    Thanks for the insight.

  • David Cromie

    If your ‘god’ exists, then so do all the other ‘gods’ that have been invented over the millennia, and have been believed in and ‘served’.

  • David Cromie

    Religion, when examined closely, is weird (and dangerous) wherever it shows up, and in whatever format.

  • Raging Bee

    Now if they could start showing WHO dis the downvoting, that would be even better!

  • chris black

    I would also like it if commenters would JUST down vote and not engage with the outright Trolls. They crave attention and a nasty reply gives them that!

  • Raging Bee

    OTOH, sometimes it’s good for others to see expressions of stupidity and hate being consistently challenged. A lot of trolls hate that kind of attention.