Ken Ham’s UK Creation Mega Conference was a ‘shit fest’

Ken Ham’s UK Creation Mega Conference was a ‘shit fest’ November 4, 2019
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FOR three days in the West Midlands – ‘once a place that was once the engine-room of progress and enlightenment for the whole planet’ – a bunch of deranged creationists, including Ken Ham,  above, CEO of Answers in Genesis, gathered at the end of October to discuss increasing attacks on the Bible and faith, and warn young members of the audience that hellfire awaits non-believers. The irony, oh how it hurts!

The blurb for the the UK Creation Mega Conference said:

The Bible is under attack. Skeptical questions and arguments are frequently used to dismiss Scripture’s teachings regarding history, morality, and, most importantly, the gospel message. Are you prepared to ‘contend for the faith’ in a culture increasingly hostile to the message of Scripture?

Join Answers in Genesis–US founder and CEO Ken Ham for three days of apologetics teaching that will equip you to boldly contend for the faith in our increasingly skeptical age. You’ll discover answers that will strengthen your faith and embolden you to share the good news of Christ with others.

After it ended I went on a futile search for reports on the event which attracted 1,200 people who paid £58 to get into the Bethel Convention Centre in West Bromwich. There were none. Not even on the Answers in Genesis website.

But today I hit paydirt in the form of a post on Reddit by u/simulacrumofthought who coughed up the dosh to attend:

Three days of creationism, science denial, Noah, Jesus, Adam and Eve and associated fuckwittery.

Here’s what he wrote:

At the End of October I visited the Answers in Genesis Mega Conference in West Bromwich, UK. As an atheist and biologist, I went out of curiosity to see how much of a draw Ken Ham’s brand of science-denying stupidity is in the UK and to see what the speakers had to say. I was expecting a tsunami of moronic claims and I was not disappointed and, now that I have stopped laughing, I can say a little about it.

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Stand-out talks included AiG’s science denier in-chief, Georgia Purdom, above, telling us all about the “Genetics of Adam and Eve”, the thrust of the piece being that all human-chimpanzee genetic comparisons made by people who know what they are doing are garbage.

[Editor’s note: Purdom has an entry in The Encyclopedia of American Loons].

Conclusion: we are not related to chimps, or any other animals for that matter. In fact we are not animals!

Stuart Burgess, an engineering professor from Bristol University, went on to tell us that the human body could not have evolved but, instead, had to be designed in his “Wonders of Creation” talk. All those crappy features of the human body (the back, eye, laryngeal nerve) that “evolutionists” use as evidence for evolution are, contrary to what we all though, examples of good design. I thought he was being a bit economical with the truth but the credulous audience loved it.

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Then there was Prof. Steve Taylor, above, from the Mass Spectrometry Group at Liverpool University talking about “Dinosaurs, Dragons and DNA”. This one told the audience that the Earth is young – 6000 years young – and all the data points to it. He even claimed to have extracted C14 from ancient fossils to prove it so there should be some earth shattering publications coming up soon.

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A UK geologist called Paul Garner, above, who seems to work for a creationist organisation, talked about “Dinosaurs: New Insights from Creationist Research”. The new insight being that, wherever you find a fossil dinosaur there is one certainty – the Noarchian flood put it there. He clearly gets confused with regards to the meaning of the word “insight”.

There was lots of other guff on show, piles of books and DVDs to be bought and it is three days I will never get back. The concerning part of it all was the fact that 1200 people turned up for this exercise in stupidity. Hundreds of children were present and they were left in no doubt that unless they believe the literal word of the Bible they are hell-bound.

Maybe it is just me, but I found it less than classy for Professors from UK universities to be telling children this. Similarly concerning is the fact that these blokes trade off their university credentials to lend gravitas to their claims, something that I am sure their institutions are really chuffed about.

The author, using the name “Magolomaniac” on YouTube, then directed Reddit readers to a great video report he made of the event:


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  • I especially note the attending cost, which I very seriously doubt would have been just to cover the fees. Greed is sin, Ham.

    Everything else more of the same: loons, people with no background as that engineer talking about something has no formation about, and people who works at the University but are also more than likely to be pastors.

  • Tawreos

    Join Answers in Genesis–US founder and CEO Ken Ham for three days of apologetics teaching that will equip you to boldly contend for the faith in our increasingly skeptical age.

    I will say that I am happy they had other speakers, I know we make fun of the christians on atheist sites sometimes, but I was hoping it wasn’t going to take them three days to learn “Were you there” and “Nuh-uh, cuz bible” as a response to every conceivable question. Still they did manage to get 1,200 people to come out and pay a stupid amount of money to hear claims and arguments that they could have heard for free on Youtube.

  • Broga

    I have a seven year old grandson who knows more about dinosaurs than these university academics.

  • davidt

    In regards to the Bible 3 places that are the worst places to go in culture to understand it.
    3. University
    2. Church
    1. Everywhere else.

    Ken ham isn’t even bad church and atheism isn’t science.

  • Jennny

    Yup, so does my grandson fortunately, in spite of one of those academics pictured being his grandad, my daughter’s FIL…Aaaargh!

  • Tawreos

    What has this got to do with anything?

  • davidt

    What does Ken ham have to do with anything at all? I mean pointing to a little boy playing make believe has no relevancy. Sorry if ones atheism is dependent on such infantile individuals to prop up their views.

  • Jezebel’sOlderSister

    It’s not that we’re dependent on Ham to prop up atheism, he’s low hanging fruit. The problem is that his “arguments” are being used to push creationism in schools, and reliance on a completely literal interpretation of the bible (except for the bits that certain preachers say were meant as metaphors).

  • Jezebel’sOlderSister

    Well, you’re right on those two points: Ham is a bad Xtian and Atheism isn’t science, nor are atheism and science religions.

  • Jim Jones

    > … the event which attracted 1,200 people who paid £58 to get into the Bethel Convention Centre

    They’d have to pay me and that isn’t nearly enough.

    > … these blokes trade off their university credentials to lend gravitas to their claims

    Anyone filing a complaint? Why not?

  • Jezebel’sOlderSister

    One of the sad things is that Purdom’s doctorate in human genetics is very real, and from a reputable University. She admits that she went for that degree in order to debunk genetics to support her belief in a young earth created as described in the bible.

  • larry parker

    So, there’s nowhere to go to understand the bible? Do you claim to understand the bible?

  • KenderJ

    Ugh. It sounds like the holidays must be fun for your family.

  • Jim Jones

    Crazy granddad!

  • Tawreos

    On what planet would anyone need Ken Ham to prop up their atheism? Nothing here is about propping up atheism. Atheism just is, it doesn’t really need reinforcement. We don’t come here for sermons to reinforce our atheism, we come here to see posts from like minded individuals and discuss them. Nothing more.

  • Carstonio

    Just how many creationists are there in the UK? Ham represents a movement connected to US evangelicalism, one that uses creationism largely as a proxy for white American exceptionalism. He might not know that West Bromwich was the birthplace of Judas Priest – maybe he took Blake’s “dark Satanic mills” reference literally.

  • Polytropos

    Unfortunately Ken Ham is relevant, because he has followers who believe his nonsense, and he preaches from a very public platform. But there’s also the fact that cataloguing Ken and AiG’s id&#8203io&#8203cy is funny. Atheists like a laugh as much as anyone else.

  • Broga

    I don’t what what it is about dinosaurs but young kids love them. I think it all kicked off for us after they visited the Natural History Museum a couple of years ago. Following the pattern of their dad and his sister whom we took there. They can recognise more dinosaurs than I can and they tell me that the Museum provides a dinosaur roar: my grandson does a credible imitation of the imagined roar.

    How can these fundamentalist Christians, with their narrow views and and bible based fictions, compete with the magic of the intellectual excitement and freedom of discovering the real world?

  • Broga

    Very few. They can’t cope with the ridicule.

  • Broga

    If he does, he is the first. For a start he would have to explain away the contradictions and there are many.

  • Broga

    And what does it mean? Stupidity hoping to be accepted as profundity. For that to succeed he has come to the wrong site.

  • Milo C

    I think the best understanding of it is as a collection of cultural stories, partial histories, and myths of a single middle-eastern tradition with wide influence from older sources.

  • larry parker

    My understanding as well, but we’ll have to wait for davidt to reply to know if that is a “True” understanding.

  • johnsoncatman

    So, does someone work to get the degree by learning the material, answering the questions correctly, writing a thesis that supports everything they learned, then going totally off the rails? I do not understand.

  • Jennny

    I agree with Broga, there aren’t very many. It’s not a big divisive issue here. I first heard of it in the 1990s when a woman joined our church and with an evangelistic zeal tried to get us to go to creationist conferences etc. She seemed to be saying being creationist was necessary for salvation. So when a guy came along who said we’d not get to heaven unless we were actively pro-Israel, we were already innoculated against such ideas, that these folk said were essential for our eternal salvation.

  • And I will pray Lurue, the Unicorn, for you.

  • Or that Bronze Age Universe described there with the far larger and richer real one. I often wonder what would think the authors of Genesis when they knew what science has revealed us… and that despite them being dead wrong some people still takes their ideas as the truth.

  • …what.

  • Ann Kah

    Great video!

  • Inquiring Yank

    Name-calling aside, where are the counter proofs (debate/logic/scientific methodology) of the non-creationist positions?

  • Sassafras

    By age 5 I knew The Flintstones was not a documentary.

  • Broga

    I agree. And with that curious and open approach there is so much to learn. Once the strait jacket of required belief is imposed, often via violence, the interest and excitement is killed.

  • TrickyDicky

    Where is the debate/logic/scientific methodology of the creationist position?

    Wheeling out a few academics that have sold there credibly for the creationist shilling doesn’t hack it.

  • Brian Shanahan

    No she went off the rails (or was never on them) first then did the degree.

  • Brian Shanahan

    Let me guess Ham is a no true Scotsman and we should listen to your whackadoodle pastor instead.

  • Brian Shanahan

    Although Tony Bliar was perfectly happy to allow cretinists to “sponsor” academy schools on public money back in the day.

  • Brian Shanahan

    The whole weight of scientific evidence is on the side of evolution. And unlike cretinism if evidence were to disprove evolution it would be abandoned.

  • Kit Hadley-Day

    there is nothing to counter, all they have is smoke and shadows.

  • Kit Hadley-Day

    i agree that there is nowhere you can go to really ‘understand’ the bible, but i suspect we do not agree on how we come to that conclusion.

    Atheism is a philosophical position, which is supported by all the available evidence, it is not science but it is supported by proper application of the scientific method.

  • Quite simply:

    Creationism: Just the Bible. Everything on it must be taken literally, with no room for allegories or to understand some parts are 3,000 years old.

    Others: mountains of evidences from the real world found and analyzed for centuries by people of all the globe, and as technology has advanced in more depth.

  • Pope Hilarius II

    we come from chimps?
    Give me a break!!
    What next? The earth ISN’T flat???

    Clearly, the only sensible answer is that the gods made man from dirt and woman from a rib. Sheesh

  • Pope Hilarius II

    huh??

    YOUR claim
    YOUR burden of proof

  • Jezebel’sOlderSister

    Better yet, wheeling out the academics who are not speaking from their area of expertise.

  • Jezebel’sOlderSister

    Who would someone complain to, the school that issued the degree?

  • Jim Jones

    The schools that employ them?

  • Jim Jones

    I fervently believe that Key Lime Pie is essential to eternal salvation.

  • Jim Jones

    > and woman from a rib.

    From a baculum. It’s an etiological myth.

  • Jim Jones
  • Jim Jones

    And pron. A lot of pron.

  • Matt G

    One hopes their colleagues give them the mocking they deserve.

  • Matt G

    Compartmentalization on steroids.

  • (((islandbrewer)))

    Well, note that, in accordance with the Salem Hypothesis, the professors there were an engineer and someone from a mass spec group – decidedly not biologists. Never are, are they?

    I’m sure the engineering prof is probably perfectly competent at teaching whatever engineering classes he’s been assigned to. But yes, it’s pretty phuquing disturbing that he’s a professor.

  • Jim Jones

    I’ve observed often that engineers are all too often YEC or the like.

    And so are doctors, too often.

  • Rick

    One only has to look at female anatomy to know there was no engineering or “Intelligent Design” involved; who puts a playground between two waste outlets?

  • Rick

    “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”

  • (((islandbrewer)))

    … who puts a playground between two waste outlets?

    Shady City Planners on the take from developers?

  • WayneMan

    An astrology seminar would probably have been more productive, or at least more interesting.

  • Jennny

    Oh me too, I lived in London till I was 18, and those S.Kenn museums were magic to me too.

  • davidt

    Well I think Muir followed a more. Monastic approach except skipping the monetary. I usually recommend going straight the source what we call nature. Not science not religion just nature.

  • davidt

    I say Ken was created by god for morons. Believers non believers agnostics all the same when they want to carry on about Ken ham. Spec Ed folks need a place too!!!

    Note I am using God created slightly differently than Kenny.

  • Barry Duke
  • Freethinker

    What does Ken ham have to do with anything at all?

    Ken is a conman who spreads ignorance and superstitions with toxic lies….you know, like the type of brain diarrhea you believe in.

  • Freethinker
  • Magolomaniac

    As the originator of the video, I accept it was all a bit puerile. However, all the arguments have already been dealt with ad nauseum and I just wanted to put it out there in a light and accessible (if profane) way. The counter proof can be encapsulated in one term: The decay rate of Uranium 238 into lead 206.

  • davidt

    Conmen are fools fooling fools wanting to be fooled. He is incredibly uninteresting.

  • Freethinker

    So grifting is excusable because so many want to be ripped off.

    Glad that makes sense to you on your planet.

  • Geri Balistreri

    Ken Ham is the smartest man in the history of the world. I went to the Ark he built and wept at its beauty. All schools must teach what he says all the time. Praise Jesus!

  • Geri Balistreri

    Hillary Clinton killed the pet dinosaur Jesus had.

  • Kit Hadley-Day

    That response is effectively meaningless, nature tells us nothing, how we investigate natural phenomena is what is important, the scientific method is the best way we have for accurately understanding the basic truths of nature.

    How does ‘nature’ communicate meaning and knowledge to you?

  • Kanawah

    On the subject of the human body being the product of “intelligent design”:
    What type if intelligent “being” would put an amusement park next to a sewage treatment plant.

  • Kanawah

    ROFLMAO

  • Kanawah

    Or in the case of the man’s anatomy, who makes a waste outlet a toy.

  • Barry Duke
  • davidt

    Nature says you are a self centered dimwit that agrandizes the intellect which is exactly what Ken ham does in religious drag. Sorry the intellect has a huge blindspot itself Ken ham is proof.

    Ken is just a faction of modern “science” he actually has zero to do with the Bible at all. So your idiot Ken ham is really a science idiot not actually relevant to anything but science. He certainly is not relevant to the Bible at all. I would question your reliance of biblical experts such as Ken ham not use him as your proof that’s rather entertaining and not not very bright
    I suspect Asperger’s and poor reading comprehension here. Typical.

  • davidt

    Grifting and being grifted is “normal”. It’s always easy to see someone else’s it’s very hard to see ones own. Its rather inexcusable to not ask what the hell is going on rather than simply point it out. Is it poor logic? What not your logic? What the hell is logic exactly? Ken ham should raise questions not debate

  • davidt

    He is notmal.

  • barrydesborough

    Here is my fishing of an article by Purdom. https://barryhisblog.blogspot.com/p/a-critique-of-human-endogenous_17.html

    The top page of my FAQ on ERVs can be found @ https://barryhisblog.blogspot.com/p/endogenous-retroviruses-frequently.html All are free to use it as they wish.