‘Anti-family, anti-Christian’ Wales slammed over relationship lessons

‘Anti-family, anti-Christian’ Wales slammed over relationship lessons January 26, 2020
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LAST year, Christian Concern’s Dr Carys Moseley, above – an ardent supporter of quack gay conversion therapiesblasted the the Welsh government after learning that it intended introducing ‘changes to sex education which would see three-year-olds learning about masturbation.’

In calling for the authorities to abandon it plans to introduce a new relationships and sexuality curriculum (RSE), Moseley, policy researcher, for  Christian Concern, wrote:

The Welsh government has been run by the Labour Party for twenty years now. It has deeply immersed itself in all the anti-family, anti-Christian and chaotic sexual immorality that is involved here.

Despite opposition by the likes of Moseley to the new RSE plan, Wales is pushing ahead with the curriculum, which will come into force in 2022. According to Christian Concern:

Parents will no longer have the right to opt their children out of lessons about relationships, sexuality or religion.

Much like the new sex education guidelines that have been introduced in England, which are set to come into force from September this year, the Welsh programme also introduces LGBT themes, says CC.

The draft guidance outlines themes that are to be taught to five-year-olds, including ‘values, rights, culture and sexuality’, ‘understanding gender’ and ‘sexuality and sexual behaviour’

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This is all good, of course, but another CC talking head, Tim Dieppe, above, says no:

Governments and Education Authorities need to start listening to the concerns of parents who are worried about what their children will be taught. There is a simple answer to this whole dispute: stop teaching about same-sex relationships in primary schools.

LBGT activists are so determined to indoctrinate our children that they cannot even consider compromise on this issue of faith and religious freedom.

The No Outsiders programme has not changed at all to consider parents’ concerns because it is still teaching the same themes with the same message. Christians must take an active interest in what is being taught to their children and be prepared to take their children out of certain lessons. The hearts and minds of the next generation depend on it.

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CC points put that The Welsh Government previously consulted on the changes early in 2019 but parents’ concerns appear to have been largely ignored.

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  • Broga

    Anti-family? Wales like Scotland and Ireland is Celt and the families are at the core of communities. Also, like Scotland and Ireland and Wales has an ancient language which is still used in schools and that language is growing. People went to prison to defend it. Wales is the most anti religious country in the UK.

  • kerryberger

    Seriously, the United States Government should take the lead and promote this education of sexual tolerance into all 50 State Departments of Education and in all US School textbooks, whether it is public, private, chartered or home schooling. When it comes to Public Health and Science we must insist on removing any religiously tainted anti-Sex Education groups from being able to imposes their minority religious positions onto our System of Education in this country. We need to regain the lead in Education and stop cherry picking flawed educational policies like Abstinence, no teaching of methods to prevent unwanted pregnancies and STI’s. The numbers of teen pregnancies and the lack of assurance of being able to get abortions makes us the laughing stock of the World, and that is unconscionable.

  • Name

    Anti-Christian, anti-family? I love that. I’m anti them too. But sex can rot in hell along with the families and religions in my book.

  • kerryberger

    And thank goodness for pro-secular and science-based education in the United Kingdom. Even when State (public) schools are Government Funded and supportive of prayer, at least, when it comes to Public Health and Science the Separation of Church and State is complete.

  • Beverly Seymour

    I am Druid and this sounds nutty to me…such topics are FOR PARENTS TO DETERMINE for children. Thank the Gods my ancestors were wise enough to leave Wales.

  • Beverly Seymour

    Parental rights are infringed with such curriculums…you can teach your OWN kids…it is not your business to demand it for others’ kids.

  • Martin Penwald

    What topic? That homosexuality exists ? No, it’s not for the parents to determine. It’s a fact that should not be hidden on a superstitious basis.

  • Jennny

    And I thank the gods that I still live here in god’s own country and we speak ‘the language of heaven’ (that’s an oft repeated local joke BTW) and I find the vast majority of my compatriots to be inclusive folk who trust schools to teach facts about human s*xuality in a sensible, age appropriate way. What does ‘I am Druid’ mean? Never heard anyone use that term before. Look up Iolo Morgannwg, 19th C forger extraordinaire of ancient welsh literature, druidism included. It surprises many who think they know about ancient celtic traditions, Iolo made many of them up!

  • firebubbles310

    What about the children’s’ rights? If their parents don’t give them factually based information it puts them at a distinct disadvantage. It makes them more likely to take risks in sex and in relationships. If all they are taught is because G-d then how do they know what is abusive? What if they fee attracted to the same gender? What if they are being abused sexually? How would they have the vocabulary, how would they know it is wrong but not their fault?

    Children are their own people. They deserve education that will help prepare them for the world and not just a religious university.

  • Beverly Seymour

    Murder and mayhem also exist, allah exists for some people, theft by deception…FAMILY VALUES AND OUTLOOK are and have been since time immemorial the RIGHT OF THE FAMILY to teach to their children, not the state. When the state takes over the rights of parents, we are in communism, Hitlerism, brainwashing all into one set mold, and that mold designed “by the state.” Also, there is a time to teach children about life and alternatives…that is up to the FAMILY, not the state. If you want YOUR kids to learn of these things at a tender age…go right ahead…leave other people’s kids to THEIR FAMILY to teach. Again, thank the Gods for my ancestors to get their offspring out of Wales! Next you will want to teach kids what the muslims teach…SEX ALLOWED WITH CHILDREN!

  • Beverly Seymour

    My ancestors left there to get freedom of religion here.

  • Jan

    Know what my biological father taught me? He taught me about rape and torture, because that’s exactly what he did to me from the ages of 5 to 7.

    Some parents have no business being parents..they are incapable of teaching children anything. I’m all for getting others to teach children what their own parents fail to teach.

  • zenlike

    “I am Druid”
    Sounds nutty to me.

  • zenlike

    Applauding the deaths of gay people. You must be christian.

  • Karen the rock whisperer

    Oh, honestly, think up all the horrible things you can stuff in one paragraph and throw them out as potential things schools might be teaching but shouldn’t. The facts are that people who are romantically attracted to others of the same sex exist. People whose gender identity doesn’t match their plumbing exist. Some of these people are aunts, uncles, and even parents to some of the students. The fact that classmate Sally has two moms or classmate Jim has two uncles married to each other is uncommon but normal. This is life in the 21st century in the West. Oh, and since this is normal, classmates have no justification to bully Sally or Jim about it.

    Yes, some religions believe that being gay or transgender is wrong. That’s the purview of parents to teach. Parents who cry “but I don’t want my child exposed to reality because I don’t like it!” ought to be ignored. Their job is to teach their children why they don’t like some particular reality. Deal with it, parents.

  • Götterdämmerung

    But I expect you are OK indoctrinating children with religious nonsense. It seems that you need some lessons in grammar, punctuation and syntax.

  • Götterdämmerung

    A statistic you made up to support your bigotry.

  • Karen the rock whisperer

    Parental rights vs. a democratically-elected state’s obligation to educate its citizens is often in tension. In order to push toward having a government that serves most citizen’s interests, the state needs future voters to be reasonably well-educated about the basics of human behavior, the scientific understanding of the world we live in, and the operation of government. I don’t know the details of what’s going on across the pond, but here in the US we are proudly playing out in real time what happens when a state either does not strive to teach those things or does it really badly, in an environment where most religions deny some important aspects of those topics.

    I can’t summon much sympathy for those religious parents in Wales objecting to the new reality-curriculum.

  • You don’t have the right to keep your child ignorant of reality.

  • Robert Baden

    You have no right to determine what my children are taught. Including your religious beliefs.

  • Meurig ap Gweirydd

    My nym was King of the Silures and High King of the Britons in the 1st Century CE, when Druidism still existed in the homeland, but even I realize that it was utter nonsense.

  • Meurig ap Gweirydd

    Your ancestors came to America in the 1st Century CE? The Romans suppressed Druidism to the point that it disappeared from written records by the 2nd Century CE!

  • Thanks4AllTheFish

    Let’s all just do what we want and see how that works out. Who needs society anyway?

    Please don’t procreate.

  • Cozmo the Magician

    Ayup, teaching kids that some kids are gay will turn kids into gays. And teaching kids that other religions have rights will turn kids into jews. And talking about black lives matters will make slaves out of everybody. etc etc etc

    So by this ‘logic’ I am a ‮naibsel‬, muslim, black, jew.

  • Cozmo the Magician

    Well, at least in history kids will learn just what happens when you allow NAZI bigotry to run rampant. You got no problem with HISTORY do you?

  • Cozmo the Magician

    I have TWO druids… One is a Worgen, the other is a Tauren. Both are spec’d as tanks.

    I also have EVERY other class on both Horde and Alliance. Yeah, I play tons of WoW. (:

  • Cozmo the Magician

    troll spouting lies and hate. Blocked and flagged.

  • Michael Neville

    You do know that Hitlerism and Communism are at opposite ends of the economic-political spectrum, don’t you? Hitlerism and Communism do not mean “some people are doing things that I don’t like”.

  • Michael Neville

    27.44% of all statistics are made up by people with an agenda.

  • Barry Duke

    So many words, so little sense.

  • Beverly Seymour

    I stated no opinion advocating for SCHOOL indoctrination of religion.

  • Beverly Seymour

    Both extremes are wrong to many people. I would not want to live under either.

  • Beverly Seymour

    Don’t understand that comment…I do not know any school curriculum including that. Maybe where you are?

  • Michael Neville

    I wouldn’t either but despite you conflating them they are not the same thing.

  • Jennny

    When daughter was considering Aberystwyth Uni, she read of a professor who had dedicated his academic career to discovering which ancient documents were authentic and which were 18-19thC forgeries by Iolo Morganwg. The university said after 25yrs of this, he sadly died still not sure which was which…it seems a sad obit on his life’s researches.

  • Jennny

    Dear Johan, I thought of you just now, I was parked in a shopping centre waiting for my passenger. As usual, seagulls were drumming on the grass verges. Have you seen them do that? They do a fancy dance with their feet which mimics the sound of rain, so worms and bugs come to the surface and make an easy meal for the gulls. However, it’s a year now since the grass was replaced by plastic turf….and still the dumbest gulls in coastal Wales drum and drum on it…you remind me of that, what a thoroughly useless, fruitless way to spend your time, telling folk you know exactly how they should live…and how we must hate those whom you think your god wants us to hate.. no thanks.

  • zenlike

    Night elf druid, healer. But it has been a looong time since I played.

  • Michael Neville

    why Henry VIII was able to decapitate two of his wives with permission from the church

    Being head of the church made it easy for Henry to get its permission.

  • 24CaratHooligan

    I love a bit of Jesus and Mo!

  • 24CaratHooligan

    I was taught about the life cycle of the frog as well when I was tiny. I’m currently a gay Jewish tadpole.

  • 24CaratHooligan

    Really? Most religious nutters left Europe not to have religious freedom for themselves but to be able to deny religious freedom to others. Read up on the history of Catholics and Quakers in the early colonies. It’s not very edifying. Druids would have been thrown overboard long before they reached the other side of the pond.

  • 24CaratHooligan

    I add to what I wrote earlier, I’m clearly a Communist Nazi gay Jewish tadpole.
    Look love you’re not doing Pagans any favours here and this is a Welsh witch saying it. This is the NON-RELGIOUS section of Patheos, the Pagan section is over there. Diolch yn fawr a nos da.

  • 24CaratHooligan

    I suspect you refer to the slaughter on Ynys Mon

  • Cozmo the Magician

    the newest patch is awesome.. We now have Mechagnomes… I named my Robognome DK ‘SevinOfGnome’ (somebody got seven b4 I could…) O_o
    ill try to remember to take a pic of her and post here

  • Old Harry

    Wow, it must REALLY be nutty, then.

  • Old Harry

    Waiting for the certified raving lunies to show up in the official clown bus …

  • Brian Curtis

    These cries of outrage are useful flags to society. Every time you hear “Anti-family! Anti-Christian!” you know something good and forward-thinking for the country is being implemented.

  • Old Harry

    Yes, they also need to teach the need to crucify or burn alive such dangerous pagans as Druids, with their blood sacrifices. They can be lumped in with the Jews and their Blood Libel.

  • Brian Curtis

    Of course it is. We all have vested stake in producing well educated citizens, which is why we all contribute to public education and elect officials who help determine the curriculum. Including awareness of basic social realities like same-sex and opposite-sex relationships.

  • Old Harry

    The sad fact is, you know something Not-Stupid, Not-Bigoted is replacing the Common Sense of the ignorant, who haven’t learned to draw the water upstream of the latrines, yet.

  • Brian Curtis

    You’re mistaking health and society topics for religious ones. Religious instruction is indeed up to the parents. Health and basic civics? Schools teach that.

  • Lauren Greene

    Do the world a favor and slither back into your cesspool of ignorance and hate.

  • Raging Bee

    But you got better, right?

  • Raging Bee

    “Teaching” three-year-olds about wanking? I find that hard to believe — even the most liberal sex-ed advocates I’ve heard from don’t go that far. I suspect the school curriculum mentioned answering children’s questions about…whatever they asked…and that was enough to freak the CC types out.

  • Raging Bee

    Well, that thin veneer of sanity didn’t last long…

  • Raging Bee

    And children’s basic rights (and NEEDS) to be educated are infringed by intolerance like yours. Parents don’t have rights, they have OBLIGATIONS, including the obligation to see that their kids learn whatever they need to know to function as responsible adults.

  • Raymond Metcalfe

    I have read this twice and got an headache

  • 24CaratHooligan

    Not really. I’m now a duck.

  • Raging Bee

    THAT’S weird! Why a duck?

  • Raging Bee

    LBGT activists are so determined to indoctrinate our children that they cannot even consider compromise on this issue of faith and religious freedom.

    Compromises such as…?

  • Raging Bee

    I used to know a lot of Druids, and was part of a Druid group in my area; and NONE of those Druids had a problem with honest, comprehensive sex-ed for children.

  • Meurig ap Gweirydd

    You’re not at all aware if you think it happened on the Isle of Man. It actually happened on the island of Anglesey – a completely different location.

  • 24CaratHooligan

    Because I’m a witch?

  • Lauren Greene

    Derp.

  • Raging Bee

    Doesn’t that mean you’re HEAVIER than a duck?

  • Raging Bee

    By actual Druid standards, yeah, she’s nutty.

  • Raging Bee

    Dr. Bronner, is that you?

  • 24CaratHooligan

    It’s a fair cop.

  • QLD Bloke

    Beverley,

    others have corrected the actual location but, famously, the Romans never made it to the Isle of Man.

    We do still have roads but they’re a little bendy and often full of Motorbikes!

    Ross

  • Nope, it’s me! Who is Dr. Bronner?

  • Englishman have always been ruthless, cruel, savages, brain washed, close minded who enjoy and relish Henry VIII shenanigans! will not admit or apologize! the entire European Asian Middle East northern Africa mindsets are all warmongers and don’t seem to give a hoot about human suffering!

  • peoples of the entire continent from East to W. Arctic Cir. to the north Africa have always betrayed their citizens, slavery, taxing, religious displays of disemboweling, beheadings, hangings, gruesome mindsets is a way of life for y’all. Now Americana and unfortunately the rest of the world.

  • You all Englishman and your neighbors, white folks never learned to be compassionate towards darker people, newborn babies, mothers, Dads, women and children, sick, diseased, handicapped, weak, the elderly, disenfranchised, underprivileged!! when will y’all grow hearts!!??

  • Raymond Metcalfe

    your comment does not make sense