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Hey women, check out where you can get stoned! Book your holidays now… October 18, 2013

Check out this map. In this day and age, this is nothing short of a shocker. I simply cannot believe the UN hasn’t got any binding laws against it’s usage such that it would contravene human rights regulations. Here are some interesting points from the article which accompanies this map:

 

3. Who is stoned to death, and why?

Stoning is used as a punishment for adultery, or zina. It is a method used to control the sexuality and bodies of both men and women, but women are more often the victims. The issue of stoning takes place within the much broader conversation about gender discrimination, women’s basic freedoms and culturally-justified violence against women. Simply put, women are more likely to be found guilty of adultery than men – because the hegemonic interpretations of Islamic law, personal status laws, poverty, and illiteracy among women all increase the likelihood of their conviction, either in a court of law or by the community.

4. Can you give me an example?

Take Aisha’s story, for example. In 2008, Aisha Ibrahim Duhulow, a 13-year-old Somali girl, was buried up to her neck and stoned by 50 men in front of 1,000 people at a stadium in Southern Somalia. Amnesty International reports that her father said she had been raped by three men, but was accused of adultery when she tried to report the rape to the Al-Shabaab militia who controlled the city.

5. So, stoning is religiously justified?

Although Islam and Muslim codes of law are often used to justify the use of stoning as a punishment for adultery, there is actually no reference to stoning in the Koran. Furthermore, there are many prominent clerics and religious scholars who openly oppose the practice of stoning and have called it “Islamically unjustifiable.” For example, Grand Ayatollah Yousef Sanei, a very prominent Shi’a cleric in Iran, issued a fatwa (a religious edict) against the practice of stoning.

6. How has the international community responded to the practice of stoning?

Although there is consensus within the international community that stoning violates a host of UN treaties and international human rights laws — including the fundamental right to freedom from torture — there are no legally binding commitments at the international level with regards to stoning.

So whilst other Islamic diktats are used to justify stoning, it seems as though there are no direct Koranic claims involving stoning. You’ve got to wonder about the moral dimensions of those involved in such a travesty.

UPDATE: H/T to Sergio Paolo Sider who pointed out the quite obvious references to stoning in the Good Book. Here are the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible’s comments:

What the Bible says about stoning

Everybody must get stoned

For touching Mount Sinai

Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. 

Exodus 19:13

For taking “accursed things”

Achan … took of the accursed thing. … And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. … So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger.Joshua 7:1-26

For cursing or blaspheming

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16

For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough)

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

For animals (like an ox that gores a human)

If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned. Exodus 21:28

For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her … and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel’s virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel’s father shall say … these are the tokens of my daughter’s virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. … But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

For worshipping other gods

If there be found among you … that … hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them … Then shalt thou … tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers … thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10

For disobeying parents

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother … Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city … And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

For witches and wizards

A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27

For giving your children to Molech

Whosoever … giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. Leviticus 20:2

For breaking the Sabbath

They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. … And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones…. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56

For cursing the king

Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die. 1 Kings 21:10


Note: There is an interesting story in John 8 about a woman caught in adultery. It is often used to show that Jesus was opposed to stoning. Unfortunately, Jesus doesn’t clearly say that he is, and the story may not belong in the Bible anyway, since it is not found in the oldest and best manuscripts.

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  • Sergio Paulo Sider

    The real shocker for Christians: while the Koran doesn’t mention stoning as punishment, the “Good Book” has plenty for several “crimes”: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/stoning.html

  • Gandolf

    Very interesting stuff thanks Jonathan.

    I wonder if maybe the UN quite often feels like it is treading on eggs shells. I admit i often harp-on about the laws we have surrounding freedom of religion back within our own home countries .Such as the US the UK and Australia and even here in NZ. And my apologies about that, if it sounds extra annoying to anyone here.

    Its just that personally i feel that maybe one good way to also try and help some of these other countries to move forward faster. Could be helped by each of our own countries also being publicly seen making some “far braver” advances .Because for now even within countries we live in . I feel far too often it still looks like our own authorities. Can look-like they seem to still feel need to always be timidly tip-toeing around. Just in case they feel need to re-start dancing a jig again to theists tunes.

    I really feel that each of these abusive groups offshore, really don’t need their own followers to start really feeling “extremely envious” of others.

    And that’s also why some-groups will often like to try keep their followers locked up and carefully tucked-away somewhere within the dark. Like some closed Christian groups still even like to do,within our own countries. Also going so-far as feeding them with propaganda, about outsider’s lives too. Just like how North Korea also even does as well.

    At the moment, a ruthless fundamental Islamic Muslim can always point toward a “few” ongoing fundamental faith abuses that still exist even where we live. To help quieten any dissent. For instance the westboro baptist ,Spindale WOFF , exclusive brethren just to very quickly name a few.

    And these groups don’t even need to look anywhere near as bad as some Islamic practices do. For all they need to try and help relay is how it should always be-seen that “Gods” word “continually” overrules. For that’s often more than enough to help end conversation’s questioning power that governs over them.

    Besides if the UN was thought to be seen to be interfering, overseas too-much . Our Fundy’s back at home would also suddenly get all up in arms . In fearing that maybe their own turn could come next.

    Sorry about the extra-long rant. Its just that the subjects such as this one specially interest me

    • Hey Gandolf

      Check out the Reasonable Doubts podcast, RD77 Every Thought Captive, http://feeds.feedburner.com/reasonabledoubts/Msxh.

      They deal often with the movements within country like ours which try to breed policy makers in a Christian environment. This is also what the Quiverfull movement looks to do by simply out-babying secular groups! It’s scary.

      Luckily, in the internet age, it is progressively more difficult to shelter individuals. It is, though, one of the reasons I am fundamentally opposed to homeschooling – because that is a tool used to close of children from outside (secular) influences.

      • Gandolf

        “I am fundamentally opposed to homeschooling”

        Me too . Over here the present government ,which is pretty much right-wing has allowed charter schools.

        I agree with you with regards to the internet. However one problem with that can be that some charter schools may tend to make sure that children’s use of computers is regulated, by teachers being present at all times when computers are in use. To double up security the children also need to sign-in with a user-name too .

        But it may be much harder to regulate their use of cell-phones. And our public library’s do now have computers that are available for the general public’s free use.

        The thing is right-wing governments tend to love religion. For starters religions help to breed a type of human who are being taught to not dwell on spending too much time questioning the status quo . I’d say early roman governments were the first to realize the benefit in having “company” of these religious type groups along side. It was really a win-win situation. For the governments get to continue to govern, and the religious groups also get to siphon-off their share of the booty too.

        Off course these governments wont admit to being pro-religion. And the religions wont admit to their part in it either. But that still doesn’t help disprove that this sort of agenda exists.

        One problem we have over here in NZ is atheists remain still kind of oblivious to the situation that may develop. In general many/most atheists in this country are not so politically driven. These sorts of kiwi’s in general don’t feel so effected-personally. At least not as-yet. They maybe are too-much of a happy-go-lucky bunch. So in turn their personal-interest in these matters has not yet been awoken.

        Sadly in elections many kiwi’s still don/t even bother to vote. Specially those on the left-wing side. Some may feel like their vote wont help change anything anyway. Some may feel they just cant be bothered. Others may even still be continually effected by residue of the religion induced “non-question” coma-type ideals . Even if both themselves and their siblings and relations are no longer religiously minded.

        When countries have already been “colonized” by governments, that have also had the “company” of religiously interested parties in tow. Sadly a kind of comatose insensible mindset has already been introduced.

        Thus it is also not an easy-feat to re waken our people who are living under these kinds of spells either. For too often they remain mentally-lifeless, like a spider who has been comatose by a wasp.

  • Gandolf

    “I am fundamentally opposed to homeschooling”

    Me too . Over here the present government ,which is pretty much right-wing has allowed charter schools.

    I agree with you with regards to the internet. However one problem with that can be that some charter schools may tend to make sure that children’s use of computers is regulated, by teachers being present at all times when computers are in use. To double up security the children also need to sign-in with a user-name too .

    But it may be much harder to regulate their use of cell-phones. And our public library’s do now have computers that are available for the general public’s free use.

    The thing is right-wing governments tend to love religion. For starters religions help to breed a type of human who are being taught to not to dwell on spending too much time questioning the status quo . I’d say early roman governments were the first to realize the benefit in having “company” of these religious type groups along side. It was really a win-win situation. For the governments get to continue to govern, and the religious groups also get to siphon-off their share of the booty too.

    Off course these governments wont admit to being pro-religion. And the religions wont admit to their part in it either. But that still doesn’t help disprove that this sort of agenda exists.

    One problem we have over here in NZ is atheists remain still kind of oblivious to the situation that may develop. In general many/most atheists in this country are not so politically driven. These sorts of kiwi’s in general don’t feel so effected-personally. At least not as-yet. They maybe are too-much of a happy-go-lucky bunch. So in turn their personal-interest in these matters has not yet been awoken.

    Sadly in elections many kiwi’s still don/t even bother to vote. Specially those on the left-wing side. Some may feel like their vote wont help change anything anyway. Some may feel they just cant be bothered. Others may even still be continually effected by residue of the religion induced “non-question” coma-type ideals . Even if both themselves and their siblings and relations are no longer religiously minded.

    When countries have already been “colonized” by governments, that have also had the “company” of religiously interested parties in tow. Sadly a kind of comatose insensible mindset has already been introduced.

    Thus it is also not an easy-feat to re waken our people who are living under these kinds of spells either. For too often they remain mentally-lifeless, like a spider who has been comatose by a wasp.