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Trudeau and Corapi

Trudeau and Corapi July 5, 2011

Times like these remind me of Kevin Trudeau.  I’m not shocked that a guy was convicted of huckstering.  I’ve been the victim of a couple of scams myself, for-profit-education and work from home.  The former cost me a doozy.  The latter cost me about $200.  Anyhow, the shocking thing about Trudeau is that people still defend him and buy his products after it has been well established that he is a huckster.  He of course doesn’t deny his interactions with the legal system and FCC.  What would be to the normal person evidence of a red flag is instead evidence of Trudeau’s persecution and attempted suppression by powerful interests who want to harm not just him, but you.

Of course “Natural Cures They Don’t Want You To Know About” and religion aren’t all that different.  They are products.  Obviously I think the Catholic Church is greater than a product, but religion is a product.  It has its brand.  It has slogans.  There has been a healthy (or unhealthy depending on your perspective) give and take between Madison Avenue marketing and American religion.  Sometimes they’ve even been married.  (Amway)  I believe that falls under an illicit union, but perhaps the god of free enterprise would understand the development of doctrine, like the need for temple prostitution.

As most of you know, this blog made a conscious choice not to be commercial.  (Yes, our service provider does do Google Ads, but we have no other relationship with WordPress and are not remunerated for those ads.)  There were several reasons for this.  Primarily, none of us were looking to make a living through blogging.  A number of us looked askance at bloggers that thought they had an entitlement to have their readership provide them a living, and a solidly middle class one at that.  One of those bloggers in particular took down his blog several years ago.  In regards to the same blog, it was observed that the blogger would deliberately pander to his audience.  In specific, he took relish in scandals involving gay clergy.  Later of course, he left blogging and the Catholic Church due to his support of gay marriage in California.  He of course wasn’t alone in pandering to his audience.  Michael Voris most recently pandered to his own audience over the “harsh” treatment of Father Corapi.  Perhaps folks will argue I’m not being fair to Voris.  Too bad.  Consider my defense TRVTH.  A man that consistently uses the bishops and the USCCB as a foil in his defense of TRVTH and the almighty dollar should understand the perception of the gnats and logs embedded in eyes.

Like Trudeau, what will continue to amaze me is the number of people who feel bad for Corapi after all of this.  No one is requiring anyone to be a pure romantic.  No one is required to believe that Corapi never did a good thing in his life.  But he hasn’t suffered like us.  He simply hasn’t.  He is a mulitmillionaire who has enjoyed a jet setting lifestyle.  Please save your sympathy and grief for someone who deserves it and, for that matter, for someone who will appreciate it.  Below are the allegations SOLT has been able to substantiate against Father Corapi.

He did have sexual relations and years of cohabitation (in California and Montana) with a woman known to him, when the relationship began, as a prostitute; He repeatedly abused alcohol and drugs; He has recently engaged in sexting activity with one or more women in Montana; He holds legal title to over $1 million in real estate, numerous luxury vehicles, motorcycles, an ATV, a boat dock, and several motor boats, which is a serious violation of his promise of poverty as a perpetually professed member of the Society.


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27 responses to “Trudeau and Corapi”

  1. Corapi was so weird and off-putting to anyone with the smallest sense of decency and good judgment that I simply want to dismiss anyone taken in by him as a nut. The only important part of the story is that he was given vast amounts of airtime on a network that receives in turn vast amounts of approbation from the official Catholic church in America. Their pseudo-news show in fact is given the ultimate approbation in being allowed to broadcast directly from the big JP II cultural center in DC. Thus, in basically every way the official Catholic church is in bed with all these corrupt people. There is corruption everywhere in human affairs. What is unique in the Catholic realm continues to be the need to believe, on left and right, that they are somehow above it, or, even more funnily, critics of it — all while they are in bed with it.

  2. Ah, but don’t you realize how persecuted the poor man was?!!

    Driving Harleys, owning private yachts, and eating delicacies at $100/plate at the Bellagio in Vegas IS real persecution, don’t you know? Obviously you have never experienced such persecution or you would appreciate the pain of owning compounds in Montana and living such luxuries.

    Hey, don’t knock it—it worked for Corapi starting way back in the 80s. And it was a pretty good ride (no pun intended–given his sex life with hookers and all) until one of those women had the nerve to start persecuting him for his desire to teach goodness and truth while cavorting with prostitutes and snorting coke. Surely the gays and liberals are behind the persecution someplace.

    Mr. Fuchs is right about the airtime issue.

  3. So more than half this post was “look at us! We don’t have advertisements! Corapi did, as did the cafeteria catholic! Obviously that shows we’re the good guys!” Kinda sad to see what amounts to a boasting post over a priest’s scandal.

    • That is quite an accusation you have leveled about my motives. I guess if you really believe that there is no argument I’m going to be able to put forth to convince you otherwise. I suppose I should be disappointed, but regrettably this is the norm for blog argumentation.

      • Well, if you can explain to me how on earth your decisions about blog advertising are relevant to Fr. Corapi, I’ll gladly change my mind. But it’s not relevant, and so your motives for inserting it are questionable

      • Michael, MZ is pointing out that it is very dangerous to begin blogging and making money as a voice of “truth.” It makes the messenger vulnerable to serious ego issues and it makes the consumer vulnerable to being duped. If the Gospel really matters to you, why do you need to charge for it? Red flag.

  4. Father Corapi has previously denied the allegations on his website, stating:

    On Ash Wednesday I learned that a former employee sent a three-page letter to several bishops accusing me of everything from drug addiction to multiple sexual exploits with her and several other adult women. There seems to no longer be the need for a complaint to be deemed “credible” in order for Church authorities to pull the trigger on the Church’s procedure, which was in recent years crafted to respond to cases of the sexual abuse of minors. I am not accused of that, but it seems, once again, that they now don’t have to deem the complaint to be credible or not, and it is being applied broadly to respond to all complaints. I have been placed on “administrative leave” as the result of this.

    I’ll certainly cooperate with the process, but personally believe that it is seriously flawed, and is tantamount to treating the priest as guilty “just in case”, then through the process determining if he is innocent. The resultant damage to the accused is immediate, irreparable, and serious, especially for someone like myself, since I am so well known. I am not alone in this assessment, as multiple canon lawyers and civil and criminal attorneys have stated publicly that the procedure does grave damage to the accused from the outset, regardless of rhetoric denying this, and has little regard for any form of meaningful due process.

    All of the allegations in the complaint are false, and I ask you to pray for all concerned.

    But in defense of Michael Voris, he did post his video before the allegations were fully substantiated.

    First Fr. Euteneur, and now Fr. Corapi? Why do prominent Catholic men keep pulling crap like this? Seriously, why?

    • Or, perhaps, why do men like Corapi and Euteneur become prominent Catholic men? What kind of community lionizes these yahoos?

      • Well, if they weren’t involved in any scandals before becoming popular, I don’t see how any particular community is at fault. I don’t think that anyone can be blamed for what happened with Fr. Euteneur other than Fr. Euteneur.

        But I don’t know if the same can be said of Corapi. Fr. Corapi was supposed to have taken a vow of poverty when he entered his religious order, and he won the lawsuit after entering the order but did not get rid of all of the excess money it brought him. The question is, did anyone in the Catholic community which promoted him have knowledge of the lawsuit/vow of poverty issue before they celebrated him? That is the question.

        • I also think that Corapi should have raised more red flags than Euteneur. But I wasn’t completely comfortable with Euteneur before this broke either.

  5. I’m afraid I was a bit too insiderish in the 3rd paragraph. I didn’t feel the need to directly criticize a guy long after he has left the blogosphere. Anyhow, the blog mentioned wasn’t an obscure blog. At one point, it was the most popular in the Catholic blogosphere.

    • Would you elaborate? Has Rohr been accused of impropriety also, or are you just saying that the website layout is similar? I see nothing spiritually in common among the two.

      • I think it primarily in response to selling goods on one’s website. But there is also the problem of Rohr’s defense of homosexuality.

    • Philip:

      Thank you for your 1:34pm reply.

      Corapi gets support from EWTN, sells his stuff on his website, and advertizes his speaking tours so his followers can follow him and get the benefit of his profound spiritual guidance. He has lots of money, personal bodyguards, and expensive vehicles to take him places. He apparently preaches one thing (strict adherence to traditional ways of being Catholic) yet doesn’t adhere to those standards in his personal life.

      Granted, Rohr’s CAC also sells stuff and advertizes his retreats on his web page. So do millions of other spiritual missions. He has a mission and he’s made it self-supporting. I know a few people who’ve participated in his retreats, and there was no hint that Rohr is anything other than how he advertizes himself. No fancy vehicles, no bodyguards, no thundering condemnation. As far as whether he’s gay or engages in sex or goes out of his way to defend homosexual behavior, I haven’t heard a thing. Unreliable sources talk about mens’ retreats and dancing naked in the desert, but nobody who’s actually been there reports anything inappropriate. I’ve heard Rohr broadly defend gay people from calumny, and that is completely appropriate to Christian behavior.

      I still see nothing spiritually in common among the two. One, a wealthy independent bible-thumper, the other an unconventional but gentle soul very much part of the Franciscan community. And what’s the thing about homosexuality? Can you be more explicit?

      • Frank,

        Again was merely referencing the comment about using blogs and websites as a means to earn money (for advancing oneself or one’s mission was not distinguished.)

        […stuff I don’t care about-mz…]

  6. A conversion experience does not necessarily change the personality structure of the convert. It does give the convert a glimpse of God’s Love. If the convert is narcissistic the narcissism will affect how the convert’s faith will be expressed. A narcissistic personality disorder will need therapy for several years to weaken the defense mechanisms that protect him/her from the underlying truth/basic fault that he/she is nothing. The narcissist must be in a continual state of practicing humility in order for the real work of the conversion experience to proceed, otherwise, what is created is spiritual narcissism

    • Wow! That was profound. I would just add that the narcissistic type affects right wingers and left wingers differently. Left wingers go in for increasingly more complex arguments and rationalizations. But right wingers go in for paranoia: everyone hates me (us) because we are so smart (holy) or close to God’s plan.

      • Peter, What narcissists share in common regardless of the wing they inhabit is fear of being discovered as an empty vessel whose only purpose is to be special. However, what is very interesting to me is that the true narcissist has no insight nor awareness of this underlying fear. Their immediate response is to defend against the unwanted and ignorant intruder who has no right to confront such a special person.

      • Again, Ronald, really profound. Wouldn’t you all agree that there is a continuum for narcissism, or the potential for it, in almost everyone. I think we all have an almost biological tendency to overestimate ourselves. Part of the drive to mediocrity, then, is perhaps the desire to not interact with those who might show us that we are not as excellent as we think. One of the things I like about getting older is not feeling I have to pretend I am better than I am. It is a relief.

        On the other hand, as you have indicated, I think there is a true narcissistic type. You seem to have a special gift in describing it. And I don’t imagine that is because you are one yourself, but I’m guessing that you have had to deal with one. It is that very strange feeling of “specialness” that goes beyond even the need to overestimate. It takes on, it seems to me, an ontological reality for people. Well, that is probably way too philosophical. It is their only reality.

        As you have indicated, one of the very interesting aspects is the interface with religion. One of the good things I can say about people I encountered in the seminary is that most were NOT narcissists. They may have been odd in other ways, and I don’t exclude myself from that either. But culturally speaking I do not think that as a religious system that Catholicism is very encouraging of narcissism. I see evangelical Christianity as very encouraging of it. This is a real point in Catholicism’s favor in my book.

  7. Peter, I had been doing counseling and psychotherapy for 30 years until last year. Coming from a coal-mining family was a blessing and I had to learn how to face my fears of not being good enough when I pursued my education and career. In my practice I could not attempt to hide what I was ashamed of if I were to be genuine with those who sought help from me. I had to be open about my failures and fears in order to set an example of how to risk being vulnerable with self and others by risking the annihilation of one’s identity which is built on a false premise of being abandoned and protected from awareness through narcissistic defenses. If I were to be helpful I had to be genuine and create an environment of safety and trust for mutual exploration into the pain of being human and to learn that it is safe to experience that pain and begin to develop an identity based on compassion for self and others.

    • Sounds like those who came into your practice were fortunate. It is not easy, or even likely to find a good therapist. Lucky clients.