A Journey Through the Bible: Part 2

Yesterday, I featured some excerpts of my “Christopher Closeup” interview with Scripture scholar Dr. Tim Gray who co-authored a book with Jeff Cavins called “Walking with God: A Journey Through the Bible.” It uses the latest Biblical scholarship to analyze both the Old and New Testaments. Dr. Gray addressed some commonly asked questions, some of which are excerpted below including 1) Does Eve being created from Adam’s rib mean that the Bible is saying women are inferior to men? and 2) Why does God ask Abraham to sacrifice Isaac?

TR: Another common misconception people have from the Old Testament is that Genesis sets up a template in which women are somehow inferior to men because of the way Eve was created. You contradict that notion in the book so talk a little about that.

Tim Gray: It’s a beautiful story in Genesis 2 where God creates Eve. God puts Adam to sleep and takes a rib out of his side. There’s a beautiful old rabbinic quote that says, “God didn’t take Eve from Adam’s foot that she should be under him, or from his head that she should be above him, but from a rib so that she should be beside him, close to his heart.” The Biblical story gives such a dignity to women that you don’t find in most ancient cultures.

TR: One of the many eye-openers for me in the book is your evaluation of the story of God telling Abraham to kill Isaac, his only son, as a sacrifice. It’s a story that never fully made sense to me until I read how you related it to the story that comes before it about Abraham sending his illegitimate son, Ishmael, away to die. Would you talk about the connection between those two stories?

Tim Gray: Absolutely! I love that story because, like many stories in the Old Testament, there’s some stories that are hard for us to digest and follow. What we like to do is break those stories down into parts and show what really is going on. This is a classic example. This idea of God saying “Take your son, your beloved son, your only son Isaac on this mountain and sacrifice him to me,” that seems to depict God as a tyrant. When we get into the narrative, we realize that in the story before that, which Genesis 22 connects by saying “After these things, God said to Abraham…” – well what are “these things” that sparked this command for Abraham to take his son Isaac to Mount Moriah. And what happened before that is Abraham takes Hagar (his wife’s maidservant) and Ishmael, his son, and sends them out of the camp into the wilderness with only one water-skin and no provisions. Basically he’s giving Ishmael a death sentence. Ishmael was going to die but the angel of the Lord intervened and saved Ishmael. What God is teaching Abraham is ‘You just sent Hagar and her only beloved son on this doomed expedition into the wilderness. Now you’re going to experience what that’s like by having a son on a journey that seems to be doomed.’ So it’s basically about Abraham learning what he did with Ishmael was wrong by having him have a similar fate apparently for Isaac. But just as Ishmael was saved by the angel of the Lord, so will Isaac be.

TR: One of the other things you point out in the book is that originally those stories were more connected because the chapters which were later imposed on the Bible weren’t there in the beginning. Were the stories more easily connected in the earlier days?

Tim Gray: Absolutely. It’s going to be around the 9th century A.D. when chapters are added to the Bible. They weren’t there originally at all. One of the things we try to train our readers to see is these connections between stories, that we don’t just move from one story to a different story but that there’s an integration and a connection between these episodes. It changes the whole way you read the Bible.

TR: It seems like a lot of the misconceptions that arise about the Bible come when people take stories in isolation and don’t look at the big picture. What would you say is the big picture of the Bible?

Tim Gray: There’s 73 books in the Bible. Ultimately, all 73 books and all the different characters and subplots are actually serving one larger story, one big plot. As Paul would say in Ephesians, that story is unveiled to be about Jesus. What we’re trying to do is show people what that bigger story is – and that the fall is the problem to which Jesus is the solution. We like to simplify it. 73 books, one story, but at the heart of a story is the plot. And at the heart of a plot is the conflict or problem. Every plot is about a problem that has to be resolved.

TR: In “Walking with God’s” introduction, you write about Jesus revealing the big picture of Scripture to the disciples on the road to Emmaus and how it set their hearts on fire. Do you remember when you first understood the big picture of the Bible and how you reacted?

Tim Gray: It changed my life. I was a freshman in college and decided from that moment on I wanted to study Scripture. It gave me a whole sense of my own identity that I didn’t have. Personally and professionally in teaching Scripture, the most exciting thing about Scripture’s story – it’s 73 books, one story but then we like to tell people, ‘It’s your story.’ When you learn the plot of Scripture, you’re not just learning the plot of a great story; you’re learning your own plot…What a plot is to a story, an identity is to a person. We all need an identity, and our identity is our own personal plot. God gives us an incredible plot in His Scripture and we’ve got to hear that.

To hear the full interview with Tim Gray, visit The Christophers’ podcast page and scroll down to the near-bottom of the page.

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About Tony Rossi

After graduating from St. John's University in New York with degrees in Communications and English, Tony Rossi found a job at the Catholic media organization, The Christophers, that allowed him to indulge his interest in religion, media, and pop culture. He served as The Christophers' TV producer for 11 years, and is currently the host and producer of the organization's radio show/podcast Christopher Closeup, writer and editor of their syndicated Light One Candle column, and producer/scriptwriter of the annual Christopher Awards ceremony.

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  • cfj003

    Actually, it has NOTHING to do with him sending Ishmael off: it has to do with the practice of sacrificing one’s child to Mo-lech or some other FALSE deity. Abraham came out of the idolatry of the peoples of Babel(that is all the descendants of Noah who had lost their way a mere 102 years AFTER the flood and were all practicing idol/false god(s) worship). Oft times this included sacrificing their children. HENCE God
    1. Introduced Himself to Abraham NOT as Jehovah but as El Shaddai “God Almighty”– to differentiate from the other gods(fallen angels) (see Ex 6:3)
    2. said “now I know you fear God because you have not withheld your only son from me;”(nothing now you know how Hagar felt) see Gen 22:12.
    No, it was to test whether Abraham loved his God, El Shaddai-the true and living God, as much as the pagans loved their “god,” enough to give their own children as sacrifices and because faith without WORKS is dead, Abraham had to put his money where his mouth was(as the saying goes).

    Now for salvation, then and now, John 3:3-8 and Mark 16:16 says we must believe AND OBEY: baptism in the name of Jesus as per Acts 2:38 with 10:33 being the proof: God told Peter how men were to be saved and commanded Cornelius to send for Peter to “…tell thee what thou ought-est to do.” Acts 10:6. Paul (for those who somehow believe their is a contradiction in the word of God relating to Peter and Paul and salvation) concurring in Acts 16:31-33, 19:1-6 and 22:16. Additionally Acts 2:39 says its for TODAY and Acts 10:45-46(42-48) with Acts 11:15-18 confirms the sign, tongues, Jesus spoke of in Mark 16:17(also the sign that Paul referenced in 1 Cor 14:22 for non-believers). Finally, we know Jesus said we shall give account of EVERY IDLE WORD we speak so their is no way He didn’t mean EXACTLY what he said in Mark 16:16 “he who believes AND is baptized will be saved.”

    As for thief on the Cross: Hebrews tells us the new testament did NOT come into effect TILL Jesus DIED (Heb 9:17): the thief wasn’t under the new testament plan of salvation: like Abraham wasn’t under the law but he DID have a covenant obligation: circumcision (Gen 17:10-11): which baptism is to the new testament (Col 2:11-12)

    And remember: Acts’ FULL title is actually ACTIONS of the Apostles: the epistles from Romans on are letters TO the SAINTS: that means they WERE ALREADY SAVED: confessing with your mouth Jesus in Romans 10:9 isn’t the key to salvation: but the step, belief, that makes repentance, baptism in the name of Jesus(NOT titles of Father, Son and Holy Ghost), and receipt of the Holy Ghost possible–see Acts 8:36-37(omitted or footnoted in NIV bibles, hmmmm).

    • Tony Rossi

      I think God can have multiple purposes for his commands and both explanations are perfectly plausible, along with the idea of a father willing to sacrifice his son as foreshadowing God being willing to sacrifice His Son.

      • Sandra Lipari

        Tony, I like your answer. Dr. Gray has a great vision for understanding the story in explaining to a “general” audience a possibility for Abraham’s motives but as individuals we often see a story differently after living through various stages in our own lives. As you say, both are accurate and like the glorious beauty in the Sacred text the meanings or a particular directive changes in its intensity for each of us as the unique characters and quality God has given to each of us. The Catechism tells us #2572, “As a final stage in purification of his faith, Abraham, ‘who had received the promises,’ is asked to sacrifice the son God had given him. Abraham’s faith does not weaken (“God himself will provide the lamb for a burnt offering.”), for he “considered that God was able to raise men even from the dead.” (cf Gen 22: 8; Heb 11: 19) [A gentile who believes in the resurrection! ] And so the father of believers is conformed to the likeness of the Father who will not spare his own Son but will deliver him up for us all. (cf Romans 8:32) Prayer restores man to God’s likeness and enables him to share in the power of God’s love that saves the multitude. (cf Romans 8: 16-21) Everything God does in the Sacred text is done for our advantage and for our salvation.

  • Bill Daugherty

    I have to agree with cfj003 that the notion of showing Abraham how Hagar felt holds no water. Abraham sent Hagar away at Sarah’s insistence and God told him to do as his wife said.

  • Troy Baldwin

    Dr.Tim Gray gave no explanation of why Abraham was asked by God to kill his son.Thank you Cfj003 for your explanation.