Francis: The Pope We Need

Francis: The Pope We Need November 9, 2019

The Radical Traditionalists and Francis Derangement Syndrome

The RadTrad Heresy grows exponentially with its Jansenistic emphasis on the pernicious nature of the human spirit, its legalism, its deep suspicion of human sexuality, and its hatred of the Pope.  It has chosen as its spokespersons the three musketeers of clericalism:  Cardinal Raymond Burke, Archbishop Vigano, and Bishop Athanasius Schneider–all three of whom criticize the Pope non-stop to the point of opposing him openly.  The RadTrad’s Francis Derangement Syndrome is worth exploring and the insights we glean will tell us why Francis is the Pope we need for our times.

The growth of the RadTrad Heresy runs parallel to the focus of Francis’ pontificate.  Remember the dour man from Argentina elected to the papacy?  He was not known as a smiling ecclesiastic and, in fact, often appeared as a typical frowning cleric.  That all changed once he took the name of Francis.  Suddenly as Pope, he seemed to drop years of age and become a laughing, smiling pontiff with a focus on mercy not judgment.  Francis Derangement Syndrome began the day he said, “Who am I to judge?” in answer to a question on homosexuality.  The opposition took shape in the Year of Mercy 2016, when the pontiff declared that the Church would emphasize mercy over judgment.

Papal Emphasis on Mercy is The Root of Criticism of Pope

Of all the things Pope Francis has done, this emphasis on mercy had most enraged his opposition.  To it, they have attached any hint of a liberal movement in the Church.  To it they have attributed the supposed laxness of Francis to Eucharist for the divorced and remarried. To it, they have pinned a perceived weakness for idolatry in the Pope’s outreach to Amazonian indigenous peoples. In fact, mercy is seen as simply a code word for laxity.

Though the above named prelates are often quoted as expert critics of Pope Francis, the RadTrad Heresy is primarily an effort of alt-right laypeople to bring down a pontiff.  These laypeople, mostly American, many of them converts with a degree or two in theology are amazingly uneducated in their analysis of Francis.  This proves once again that a simply theological degree cannot substitute for a long term immersion in Catholic culture, history, and ecclesiology.  Their obtuseness in the area of Scripture is appalling, for if there is one thing Pope Francis emulates perfectly it is Christ’s attitude to the outcast and the sinner.

Francis Opts for the Sinner and the Marginalized

What most sets Francis’ pontificate uniquely apart from others is (in Latin American terms) a preferential option for the sinner and the marginalized, not just in society but within the Church itself.  Francis actually believes that Jesus associated with outcasts and sinners because he loved them, wanted to be around them, and saw them as the future strength for the movement that would eventually become the Church.

The Pope:  More Like Christ than his Critics

Christ’s condemnation of scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees was based on their hypocrisy in living only the legal requirements of the Law, flouting its spirit, yet demanding that lesser mortals live that Law perfectly.  Jesus didn’t love the marginalized because they sinned, but because they were authentic, knew they were flawed, but responded to his description of the Father and the mercy offered to a humanity desperately in need of salvific love. In one of the recent critiques of Francis, someone pointed  out that the difference with Jesus was that he associated with sinners but left them as converted saints.  Yeah, right.  Jesus never demanded repentance before he associated with sinners, nor did he demand instant sainthood or perfection in following him.  He simply gave mercy which in itself was a gentle challenge to repent and walk in the light.  But mercy was never used as a club or even a velvet hammer to coerce repentance.

Mercy as Orthodoxy

Francis is similar to Christ in this respect.  Whenever someone criticizes him as a lax liberal, it is good to remember that the Pope is neither a conservative or a liberal–he is a Jesuit.  That is not meant as a humorous remark.  He possesses the peculiar but admirable Jesuit trait of understanding human weakness while still holding to orthodox belief.  Sure there are some Jesuits who go off the rails.  That religious order is known for walking on the edge of things for the greater honor and glory of God.  But true Jesuit piety and action keep the balance between mercy and orthodoxy.  In fact, mercy, properly understood, is Christian orthodoxy since at its base it preaches a loving Trinity immersed in the world dedicated to redeeming a fallen but still inherently good humanity.

The Pope We Need:  Embracing Joy Over Fear

The RadTrads, in their hatred for Francis, offer a joyless experience of a Christianity frightened at the direction the world is taking.  One only has to pay attention to their apocalyptic warnings to recognize the fear present within their presentation of the Christian faith.  Pope Francis, on the other hand, hasn’t stopped smiling and laughing since he became pontiff.  The smiling face he offers the world, a face full of the offer of mercy to anyone who wishes to receive it, is the true face of Christianity.  Francis is the Pope the world needs.  Thank God we have him.

About Monsignor Eric R. Barr, STL
Monsignor Barr is a Roman Catholic priest of the Diocese of Rockford, Illinois. In his 35 years of priesthood, he has been pastor, principal, teacher, university professor, Vicar for Clergy and Vicar General. He is a former associate editor of a newspaper and a novelist. He speaks on Celtic Theology and Current Catholic Issues. You can read more about the author here.
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  • Maggie Sullivan

    Stunning article………the man has filled the vatican with perverts and pro-aborts………. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/49f076204f1a8795c08238940edec909fe2273ba3068f187709c1576c7a3e9a0.jpg
    and no……the RadTrads will not worship this demaonic false god.

  • sancho

    You nailed it monsignor. Christ hung out with the dregs of society and showed them mercy and love. The Pharisees, scandalized by His company, demanded judgement. His words only infuriated them all the more, since He focused His judgement on them and not the riffraff. Pride has always been the enemy. The indigenous in the Amazon can teach all of us a lesson in humility. Also, I’m glad to see that even some of Pope Francis’ most vocal critics have come around to defend him on the supposed idolatry leveled by the Jack Chick Catholics. Dave Armstrong has a good story on it here at Patheos:
    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2019/11/pachamama-fiasco-hysterical-reactionaryism-as-usual.html.
    I like Dave even though we don’t always agree.

  • MrsBridge

    Wow! A little bit angry, are we? Now the thing has a name: RadTrad Heresy. RadTrads are Trumpists. Why don’t you just say that there are Woke Catholics and Deplorable Catholics. The Deplorables are mostly in flyover country clinging to guns and fake religion. Let me guess who you voted for. Please don’t drive while you’re this upset.

  • Marie

    Thank you so much for this article. Right on the mark! We are truly, truly blessed to have him as our pontiff.

  • I don’t normally comment on Patheos articles, but this is so exceptionally bad, so willfully ignorant of facts, so purposefully misleading and calumnious, I don’t know whether to be outraged or just embarrassed that a priest who held positions of influence and has a Licentiate in Theology could pen something that is somehow both vapid and vicious at the same time.

    If you’ve no interest in serving Christ, you should be ashamed to call yourself a priest.

  • Kevin Davis

    Monsignor Eric Barr is a boomer, so this is par for the course. Pathetic in every way. To accuse Francis’ critics of not liking Francis’ (highly selective) emphasis on mercy is willfully ignorant of what Francis’ critics are actually saying.

  • Kevin Hir

    Yes what a blessing. He swept the crisis under the rug. After all what would you expect when your buddies are Cupich and McCarrick. He sings a document with an Imam thatsaid God wills all religions. That’s wrong period. He attacks countries who protect their borders while hiding behind massive walls himself. He has pro aborts around him giving him counsel. He practised mercy without repentance. Jesus said to the woman at the well, “go and sin no more”. That’s mercy with a direct order. That’s the real deal. Not this fluff that risks people’s souls. Sorry but I cant trust a man who protects evil men. I cant trust a man that gives Father James Martin the time of day. The church is sick and needs a leader who is more interested in saving souls and less interested in pushing Marxism.

  • Little Rose

    Danger lingers at both extremes. It’s just as easy to fall out of the left side of the Church as it is to fall out of the right. Christ hung on the CENTER of the cross. It’s LOVE and LAW, not either or. Love the sinner. Hate the sin.

  • Anne Hendershott

    I am saddened by the disrespect you have shown to Cardinal Burke, and Bishops Schneider and Vigano. You may not agree with them but to resort to vicious name-calling pretending to be clever is beyond the pale. They need our prayers–not your mockery. They are trying to save the Church. For some of us, they are the true heroes.

  • steve5656546346

    Well, this author talks like Pope Francis: http://popefrancisbookofinsults.blogspot.com

  • Russell Potee

    This article is hateful and deceitful towards faithful Catholics.

  • Martin

    Judging from most of the comments, Fr. Barr must have hit the nail on the head.

  • Robert Basil Nugent

    very one sided article.

  • Toni Vercillo

    Yup!

  • I wonder if most of the younger priests in Rockford agree with the Msgr. I doubt it.

    Boomers still kinda like this pope. No one else does, unless they aren’t really Catholic. His biggest supporters seem to be aging homosexuals.

  • Gavin

    Indeed. The wrong side.

  • Richard Malcolm

    Rockford, actually. (I confuse them all the time myself.)

  • Corrected. Thanks.

  • I wonder if the good Msgr might tell us how his diocese of Rockford has done since Vatican II in the following areas:

    1. Number of priests
    2. Number of non-senior priests
    3. Number of religious women
    4. Number of religious men
    5. Number of parishes
    6. Number of masses offered every Sunday
    7. Total number of Catholics attending Mass in the October census
    8. Number of parish schools
    9. Number of parish school students.

    I’m gonna guess this diocese is a festering sore of homosexual clericalism and is rotten to the core.

  • Eric Barr

    Actually, Mrs. Bridge I voted enthusiastically for Trump the first time and will do so again. I’m a 100 per cent Deplorable and proud of it. Sorry I don’t fit in the tiny box of preconceived stereotypes you’d like to put me in.

  • J Nelson

    Learn the difference between “flaunt” and “flout” before making any more public displays of your ignorance.

  • Sanctus 3

    Virtue-signaling is a temptation of the “right,” the “left” and every one in between.
    If it is bad (and it is) to insult the pope, it is just as bad to insult bishops by way of contumelious language.
    Not all those pained by what is going on in the Vatican and the Church deserve (?) the RadTrad label. Not all those concerned by the confused and confusing messages issuing from encyclicals, synods, and interviews oppose the merciful approach of kindness and dialogue. Not all those seeking to live an authentic and faithful Catholic life by following the “faith once for all already delivered to the saints” deserve the label of “Pharisee.” Am I wrong, Monsignor?

  • Eric Barr

    Wow, drink the calumny koolaid much? You picked the wrong diocese to critique. We’ve had excellent vocation directors for decades with ordinands from a usual 4-12 in a class. I’m a retired Vicar general and Vicar for Clergy and I don’t have ready access to stats so I’m doing this from memory since I am on my way to my third mass of the weekend. We have a lot of masses for the 107 parishes in our diocese of 350,000 Catholics made up of mostly Anglo and Hispanic Catholics.Good thing we have a lot of younger priests to help. We have 45 elementary schools and 7 highschools, good parishes with active parishioners. I’m sorry your experience of Catholicism is so bad. If you are close we would welcome you to this diocese of faithful traditional Catholics. Here’s the thing, I’ll accept your posted apology, but if you utter another slanderous statement about our priests and laity, I’ll wipe you off the comment section. This is my turf and only civil conversation is permitted here.

  • FEMattimoe

    “The RadTrads, in their hatred for Francis, offer a joyless experience of a Christianity frightened at the direction the world is taking.”

    Personally I just love the path Francis is taking. With the world in tow.

    Or is it the other way round?

    Hardly matters, does it?

    And the fine fellows/ esses who accompany him as fellow travellers:

    Bono,
    Bishop Paglia,
    Cardinal McCarrick,
    Emma Bonino
    The Ford Foundation,
    Cardinal Maradiaga
    Evo Morales,
    Bishop Zanchetta,
    Father Inzole,
    Cardinal Becciu
    Wim Wenders,
    Bishop Borras,
    Egenio Scalfari etc

    As fine and upstanding group of Christian apologists as you could hope to introduce your children to.

    Teenagers? Even more so !

    Oh and singularly uniformly joyful (sic) group at that.

    Ps: Did I forget to include Our Lady of the Amazon? How silly of me.

  • LB236

    I am on my way to my third mass of the weekend

    Well, Msgr., you sort of just answered point number 1 on Mr. Ellis’s questionnaire with that statement.

  • If I am wrong, Msgr, please explain this. In my experience, actions such as these are not consistent with “a diocese of faithful, traditional Catholics.” They are consistent with dioceses that are cratering.

    https://liturgyguy.com/2017/01/19/rockford-bishop-doubles-down-against-tradition/

  • Eric Barr

    You should read my Patheos article on the RadTrad heresy. Take your blood pressure medicine first.

  • Eric Barr

    I am saddened they are not respecting the Vicar of Christ.

  • Eric Barr

    Perhaps I am pathetic. But all boomers? Really? There are still a lot of us. You must be really disappointed in humanity.

  • Eric Barr

    Thank you Grammerly! Already corrected the mistake. Now there’s a critique I can get behind! Please check the rest of the article for any more mistakes. I wrote it late yesterday after three masses, so I might need a few more corrections. Mea culpa!

  • Eric Barr

    These are the only ‘bad’ followers of Francis you can find in a church of 1.5 billion? Pretty good average I’d say. Now take your judgmental narrow minded manners and get off my lawn.

    “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” Socrates

  • Eric Barr

    Why? We have about 150 active priests and 54 retired ones. That’s a lot. We also have a lot of masses. Good thing don’t you think?

  • Eric Barr

    Just to continue the conversation: What say you critics about the fact there would be no Irish Catholic if not for the ancient missionaries using Pope St. Gregory the Great’s Letter on Converting Pagans as the benchmark for evangelizing? That’s the same method the Vatican is using now. Don’t like the fact that I support it? Don’t blame me. Go stick pins in the greatest of all Popes.

  • Eric Barr

    Good thing we are not cratering. Come visit!

  • Eric Barr

    Gosh, I’m going to take that as a compliment.

  • Timothy S. LeRoyer

    Wow…so this propaganda fluff piece is overflowing with ad hominems, libel, and unsubstantiated claims. My question to the good Monsignor is, ‘ How did you obtain your degree without being able to logical defend your position, and back up your conclusions with primary source material?’
    Rambling on with baseless claims and name calling does not befit a man of your vocation, nor standing. If RadTrad is a heresy, and conservatives are evil, be a man and prove it!

    Btw…I didn’t vote for Trump. He’s a bully and a womanizer. https://media0.giphy.com/media/3oEjI789af0AVurF60/giphy.gif

  • Eric Barr

    Check out my Patheos Article on RadTrad Heresy. I’m not doing a research paper. This is an opinion piece based on research. It is meant to be controversial and provocative. If you think I’m wrong, tell me where and how. That’s how conversation goes.

  • I’m unfamiliar with this blog and author and was so hopeful to find a balanced and refreshing article to read that departs from all the name calling, accusatory and uncharitable commentary out there. I just want to read something humble, hopeful and thankful about our holy father. I don’t need him propped up as some superhuman savior who can do no wrong or attacked as the “false-prophet”. I’m lured in by the title “Francis: The Pope We Need” and expect to read about all the unique and special qualities and experience he brings with him for the task at hand but instead, the article goes directly into attack mode against others. GRRR!!! YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN ALL THOSE TRADS!!! Is there someone out there not infected with the spirit of pride?

  • Alexandre Bruno Raul Freitas

    About “Trad Heresy” – part 1:

    “Accuse your opponent of what you are doing, to create confusion and to inculcate voters against evidence of your own guilt”

    Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals

  • anna lisa

    Thank you for this.

    I don’t think the Rad Trads realize that they show up like on cue to prove to everyone just how filled with acrimony they are. Perfect timing. They can’t see themselves. It would be a comedy if it wasn’t a tragedy.

    Internet/Catholic sites can really demoralize me at times but I am infinitely grateful that people show up with their mass-masks off! Ha! they have outed themselves on a grand scale without anyone coaxing it out of them. For those of us that existed before the internet, we were often left with conflicted emotion when our traditional friends left us with a gnawing pain in the heart. On the other hand– I have had the refreshing honor of speaking with people that once upon a time I considered my culture war enemies, sharing the sincere goodness and generosity of their hearts with me when we disagreed.

    God bless you for supporting our good Papa. He deserves the love of his children. My mother is the same age and she really struggles with her energy level and managing the pain that comes with being an octogenarian. Papa Francis has helped bolster the faith of my children in their 20’s and early 30’s. (Five of them). They love that he has opened his heart to all human beings. It’s hard to put *anything* over on them. None of them live in a bubble anymore!

  • anna lisa

    May I ask why?

  • Elias

    “Yeah, right. Jesus never demandedrepentance before he associated with sinners, nor did he demand instant sainthood or perfection in following him.”

    Monsignor, Can you please directly point out where Cardinal Burke, Archbishop Vigano and Bishop Schneider have ever demanded “instant sainthood ” or “perfection ” to follow Christ?.

    Thank you

  • Fr. J.

    Your article on the RadTrad “heresy” was even more ridiculous and unsubstantiated than this little … essay. If you want an example of heresy or proximate to heresy, then try “[the death penalty] is immoral.” One guess who said that recently to the LCWR.

  • Alexandre Bruno Raul Freitas

    About “Trad Heresy” – part 2:

    “Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty.”
    [BONUS QUOTE: “A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth.”]

    Paul Joseph Goebbels

  • Fr. J.

    Just for the record, you (and other writers like you) rely on the fallacy of the “undistributed middle term” in your arguments, but it isn’t fooling anyone. “Adapting to native customs” as a middle term in your argument does not or should not include “worshipping false gods” or “engaging in superstition.” No one–let alone St. Gregory the Great!–has ever understood that of Catholic missionary efforts. It’s only this relatively small group of “apologists” who even pretend that was ever the case. For instance: the ancient church in Rome used the imperial purple to cover the bones of St. Peter; they did not use the imperial purple to worship the “divine Caesars.” Adaptation, but never superstition.

  • HRpuffinstuff

    I do not agree at all with the article, and am no fan of the putative holder of Peter’s chair, but it isn’t helpful to the dialog here to call the author an ignorant fool. I appreciate that he was busy offering mass at least.

  • Supernex

    Quite possibly the worst article I’ve read, ever. A priest wrote this? Gross.

  • Eric Barr

    I actually just refer to those three as popular among the Rad Trads. My comment about scripture was referring to the group itself.

  • Eric Barr

    I think that is an impossible article to write now when so many people wish ill on our Holy Father.

  • Eric Barr

    I’ve never said that adapting to native customs should include worshipping of false gods. Don’t Adam Schif me and put words in my mouth that I never said.

  • Eric Barr

    If you can’t give Fidelity to the Pope then perhaps you should go find a church that you’re more comfortable with, because your attitude and your words do not reflect a faithful Catholic.

  • Eric Barr

    Certainly not for his personality but I do like the policies particularly in the area of pro life and religious liberty.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    I have heard Msgr Barr preach, he may be the best preacher I have every heard in person. Always uplifting, interesting, thoughtful and totally orthodox.

    I am getting the feeling he is challenging us with this article to try and find some hope in Francis.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    No matter what anyone thinks of this article I know from experience Msgr. Barr is a wonderful Priest and person. We all need to think clearly about what he wrote and respond with respect.

    I am a very old school Catholic and am troubled by all I am seeing in the Church but if we had a few more Priest like Msgr. Barr we would be in better shape.

    Keep challenging us Msgr. Barr, we will all be the better for it. You have taught me with this article that a person like yourself who I totally respect, a man who has given his life to Christ and the Church, a man of faith, hope, and love can see things differently than i do. It will do me some good to reflect then follow my conscience.

    Challenge us again…..I think we can take it.

  • louiseyvette

    “heresy”

    LOL!

  • louiseyvette

    I recently heard a man call the Latin Mass a cult. But he’s an adulterer, so there’s that. LOL

  • You shouldn’t. When Pope Francis speaks about his critics he is very uncharitable. Like you he name calls and confuses criticism for hate and opposition. I can’t decide if it is stupidity, ignorance or malice. Either way it is unchristian and unedifying. Hypocritical too.

  • Indeed as you show by slandering Cardinal Burke, Bishop Schneider and Archbishop Vigano.

  • “Look, you are well; do not sin any more, so that nothing worse may happen to you.”

  • anna lisa

    “Lord, I am not like that one over there.”

  • Kevin Davis

    Did I say “all boomers”? It’s called a generalization.

  • anna lisa

    Delusions of grandeur. “Lord, thank you that I’m not like them.”

    Do you honestly think they would bow to an idol?

  • Elias

    With respect, you do a little more than that there:

    “It has chosen as its spokespersons the three musketeers of clericalism: Cardinal Raymond Burke, Archbishop Vigano, and Bishop Athanasius Schneider”

    Especially when you label them “musketeers of clericalism”…..

    If you linking them to “clericalism “, you’re also linking them to the previous comments I highlighted. So my original question remains unanswered….

  • Brian Walsh

    It is on video.

  • anna lisa

    You have to actually have the intention of bowing to an idol(false god) in order to be guilty of idolatry. Catholics have had to deal with endless Protestant hysteria on this subject.

    Me? I often find a crime in aesthetics. That’s it.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    Yes, McCarrick sure like this pope…..no investigation of his actions, just a cushy monastery to live in at Church expense.

  • anna lisa

    I don’t believe he is pro-life.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    I don’t recall Jesus inviting people who support the genocide of children like Jeffry Sachs and Paul Ehrlich to hold important positions in planning church teaching on the environment…..but oh well, what are a few hundred million slaughtered children by abortion.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    Would you have given fidelity to the bad Popes?

  • Eric Barr

    He is the Pope he can discipline his critics within the church.

  • Eric Barr

    At least.

  • Logizomai

    They clearly do have the intention because they’re doing it. You’d be defending people prostrating in front of Thor by claiming that it’s ok because they might think it’s Jesus. There’s giving people the benefit of the doubt, and then there’s being naive.

  • ArthurMcGowan

    I haven’t seen such dishonest, superficial claptrap since the last article by a Bergoglio brown-noser I read–two or three days ago.

    “They hate him because he’s merciful.” Is that REALLY the best straw man you could come up with?

    If, as your article indicates, you can’t deal with any of the real, substantive questions about Bergoglio–then we RadTrads (i.e., Catholics) are definitely winning.

    For the same reason, because Bergoglio refuses to respond to the dubia, the whole world knows he holds to the heretical answer to each and every dubium.

  • ArthurMcGowan

    You have a way of changing the subject on a dime. Since when is petty, vicious name-calling (“pickle-pepper-faced Christians,” etc.) a species of “discipline,” or a proper exercise of papal authority?

  • ArthurMcGowan
  • Alexandre Bruno Raul Freitas

    Heresy is denying a article (or various articles) of Faith. Which article(s) of Faith do the Tradicionalists deny ?

  • ArthurMcGowan

    There are other mistakes, but since the article is meretricious garbage, it’s not worth pointing them out.

  • Andy

    Pope Francis asks us to live our faith, not merely say I am Catholic, but be Catholic. We are required to give religious assent to the teaching of the church, which should lead to a pastoral of the works. The problem I think for many is that Pope Francis rejects that we can judge another as being deficient or on the other hand the role model we need. And for many there had to Be a “rock star” to follow. He calls upon us to look inside our lives to see if we can be the person to throw “the first stone”. For myself I can’t even stand by the stones. He does not say do not criticize, instead he says be pastoral. He, Pope Francis, asks us to accompany all on their journey to God; not to change them but to support them. Maybe rather than accuse him if heresy, let’s look in our hearts and see if we are following what the Gospels teach.

  • St JD George

    I am more saddened that he does not respect the office of the Vicar of Christ. Christ’s mercy converted sinners, his mercy is full of false empathy and affirms rather than corrects. Satan uses divisive terms like rad trading ad homonym attacks and doesn’t answer his honest critics. Satan hates Latin too. Why is it impossible for him to genuflect before the host yet contort into a pretzel to kiss the feet of those who would crucify Christ again? Why does he offend with statements like God wills all religions? Why does he tell young couples full of enthusiasm for their faith upon leaving a TLM that there must be something psychologically wrong with them sending them away discouraged. Why does he celebrate a priest who went on national television and mocked Christ by flashing the sign of the devil? And what about this mystery man outside the church who suggested Uncle Ted campaign to get this man elected, isn’t that worthy of dialog? I could go on all day but what’s the use, the silence from across the Tiber is not golden, it is poison. I consider St Gallen a portal to the netherworld.

  • St JD George

    It is what emotes do. An honest person would look at the facts and make corrections like the collapse of vocations, lack of belief in His real presence, embrace of secular norms by the shepherds driving us to the brink of more ex Catholics in the world than practicing, etc, etc, etc. People instinctively can detect lack of authenticity.

  • Brian Walsh

    In the video, people are surrounding these statues and move from a kneeling position to a prostrate position. I have no idea how else to interpret that other than as bowing.

  • Alice Pavey

    If he is such a nice person, how can he publish such horrible things about good, kind people who are concerned about the direction of the current papacy?
    The Pope should engage with his critics instead of ignoring them.

  • Mary Stuart

    Absolutely! I really appreciate your authentic teaching on the Church. Thank you God Bless.

  • Mary Stuart

    Putting back Child predators is not mercy. Protecting pedophiles is not mercy. Cardinal Mueller was s blocked by Francis from investigating a degenerate. Pope Francis having pagan worship at the Vatican is a disgrace to most Catholics I know. This article is filled with lies.

  • Mary Stuart

    Absolutely

  • Mary Stuart

    I’m saddened that The Vicar of Christ protects pedophiles.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    Mary, I can’t deny anything you wrote about the Pope.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    Alice, I agree that Cardinal Raymond Burke, Archbishop Vigano, and Bishop Athanasius Schneider are true men of God and the Saints we need for this dark hour in the Church.

  • Buz Snyder

    Smearing those who love tradition, and have serious concerns about the pontiff’s lack of clarity is not “challenging.” It’s uncharitable.

  • Buz Snyder

    it does not matter what you believe, only his actions as president matter. he is filling federal courts at all levels with judges who are pro life and common sense.

  • Buz Snyder

    ok, i don’t like your article very much…but i love your pith!

  • Buz Snyder

    don’t you think most faithful catholics are somewhere between unquestioned fidelity and wishing ill on our holy father? btw, i belong to, and love, a NO parish. however, i’m drawn to the beauty, reverence and tradition of the extraordinary form. when i do attend the local fssp parish, the people are warm, welcoming, diverse in culture, and the community is vibrant and kind. it’s nothing like what so many here paint the “radtrads” to be.

  • Lurker 59

    Let us approach this article from the presupposition of The critics of Pope Francis are critics because they dislike his position of mercy.

    This, though extremely truncated and not actually the dominant position among critics, is true with one caveat: Pope Francis’ theological understanding of mercy isn’t actually mercy at all. Pope Francis’ preaching of The Mercy^tm is very clearly divergent from a Catholic understanding of soteriology. The closest one gets to it is in Luther’s theology, but it is actually something new.

    One of the difficulties in approaching the theology that is coming out of this Pontificate, again limiting ourself to just the concept of The Mercy^tm, is that it is an amalgamation of three different theological schools, German Marxist/Lutheran influenced modernism, South American Jesuit Liberation Theology, and Pope Francis’ own, for lack of a better words, imprecise non-systematic thought. This makes a proper critique difficult as the concept of The Mercy^tm will vary between which school is the primary author of the document in question as well as Pope Francis’ own direct non-prewritten words. However, there is a common thread so that we can speak of The Mercy^tm as apposed to actual mercy.

    The core is that The Mercy^tm makes conversion, to be understood as the rejection of sin and the subsequent positive acquiring of virtues, unnecessary and in fact sinful. The Mercy^tm is the accompaniment/mutual encounter between persons independent of (depends on school of thought of document but). That is Luther to an extent.

    It is very clear that The Mercy^tm is to be understood practically as the accompaniment of a sinful individual as an individual independently of their state of sin and independently of that individual moving on from sin. It is a different understanding of soteriology, justification, and Christology than what is in Neo-Thomism (Traditionalists), scholastics, or the Church Fathers (pre-scholastics).

    It is on this point that I want to push the conversation forward. Yes The Mercy^tm of Pope Francis and the mercy of his critics are at odds. It is ok to say that because the underlying soteriology and Christology is divergent.

    It is time to have that discussion because thinking that Traditionalists don’t like mercy is truly a straw-man argument. The author of this article needs to have the courage to say that there is a difference in soteriology/Christology. That is a discussion worth having and I truly hope that you pen that article.

  • Maggie Sullivan
  • Angela T Sullivan

    How sad that Pope Francis has divided the Church. This article is a disgrace. Pope Francis has aligned himself with the NWO agenda which is in opposition to Catholic Teaching. He accuses others of what he is guilty of. Bergoglio’s reputation, dating back to his days in Buenos Aires , many many testimonies of nasty Jorge defending degenerates, and screaming and raging at anyone who disagrees with him. Typical communist! Bergoglio will never discuss anything screeches I’m the Pope I can do what I want. I personally do not believe he’s the Pope neither do many many people. The Fake Francis routine is for the birds. Bergoglio is a Soros Puppet pushing their Communist NWO agenda. Pope Benedict XVI has the keys Bergoglio has his voodoo dolls.

  • Chris Griffin

    Hi Andy, I disagree with almost everything you said if it is meant as an endorsement of PF. He doesn’t care about the unborn about to be aborted. He has been completely silent on abortion legalization in Ireland and Brasil. I think he is a very cruel man pretending to be merciful.
    And o yes.. he is a heretic on abortion by saying “it is not a religious question”. I think St JPII and God would both give him the boot.

  • Andy

    Hi Chris -please share with me credible evidence that Pope Francis:
    1. Doesn’t care about the unborn
    2. That he is cruel
    3. That he is a heretic
    Without evidence you are commiting the crime ofvcalu

  • St JD George

    Fr, surely you can acknowledge that there are serious concerns raised by good and faithful Catholics without resorting to name calling like rad-trad. For one example, did you watch his interview with the journalist in Mexico City? The deflection from answering the very straightforward question pivoting to the sin of bearing false witness was beyond despicable. If only it were one isolated case but far from it. How can it be that all previous popes condemned Marxist Liberation and communism and now it is embraced? How can it be that what is licit in Germany is illicit in the archdiocese across the border in Poland? The father of lies relishes ambiguity which seems to be all the fad in Rome. God does not abrogate Himself and those that believe He does are false prophets.

  • St JD George

    Fr, I am deeply in love with the Lord and our Blessed Mother and I find the pontiff more often than not uninspiring and disingenuous. I study the writings of his predecessors and I find a break in continuity that disturbs me. I’m only at peace when I mostly ignore what he says and pray for him as he asks. When he speaks ex cathedra I’ll take note, but on prudential matters not so much.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    what do you mean? They are bowing to it right before your eyes.

  • anna lisa

    No, they accept Jesus, beaten to a pulp and not beautiful. Mary *always* walked the ignominious path of her son. They accept “Mary, mother of all nations and tribes”–perhaps to a fault, but at the end of the day, it’s not a fault–

  • matthewchoffman

    You had 371 active priests in 1966, and you had 208 in 1992. Now you have 150. That’s a lot? That’s progress?

    Is that why you have to say three masses on Sunday, because there are so many priests?

  • festeris

    Dear Msgr. Barr,
    Before I even read your post I saw that there were already 102 comments; and I suspected that most of them would be negative. And that is why I’m writing, to say I appreciate your defense of our dear Pope Francis. You have nailed, I believe, the position of his detractors. Their hatred of him comes from a place deep in their hearts that is tainted, as you say, by a pernicious legalism, the view of human nature as intrinsically wretched, and an unfortunate suspicion of human sexuality. Pope Francis’ heart, I believe, is free of such weighty faults, and for that I love him as I have loved no other pope. Please stay and fight for the church of Pope Francis’ vision–a church that welcomes me, a sinner.

  • St JD George

    If you can not engage in a serious conversation and address the serious issues of abrogation raised then I will have to accuse you of popalatry too and question your objectivity. I will instead look for a man with courage like St Paul to rise up and rebuke St Peter to his face for his lack of conviction in preaching the fullness (i.e. not selective, or twisted) of faith Our Lord Jesus Christ left us. It does not appear that you are a man of such courage. Too bad, He needs masculine saints today to defend His honor. Instead we find his temple filled with a brood of sodomite vipers who prey on Him.

  • Buz Snyder

    yeah, msgr pope is great. i listen to him often. however, his open letter is for the Pontiff. I’m referring to msgr barr’s lack of charity in his comments regarding the good bishops.

    our church is severely lacking in holy, courageous priests and bishops. i just read a book recently called “The Priests We Need to Save the Church”. My hope is that many, many priests will find a copy, read it, and have a conversion to heroic virtue.

  • Buz Snyder

    yes! stay and fight for the church of Pope Francis’ vision, not the Catholic Church.

  • festeris

    The Church, like us, is a living organism. If it doesn’t grow and change it will die. Francis is the pope we need.

  • anna lisa

    I have no illusions of being able to change your minds. At least ask yourselves why, and to what end would anyone prostrate/bow to a wooden idol? Look at the Franciscan, do you think he’s a secret Andean goddess worshipper with a good prop? It’s just so ludicrous I can’t believe you people go in for this stuff. I think you guys are addicted to spit and ire. Frankly, we (North) Americans *do* have our own brand of mania that played in to this debacle: We are uncomfortable with prostration even before the mother of God. We are. When was the last time you saw someone prostrate themselves before *anything*? I can think of a few photos I’ve seen of ordinations, and that’s it. Latins are really into those outward forms of piety–it can get really over the top. Have you seen those little old ladies that crawl up the stairs to the shrine of O.L. of Guadalupe in Mexico City? It’s appalling. God doesn’t need their bloody knees. Our Catholicism here forbids such things for both rational and puritanical reasons, even if the intention is sincere.

    You guys need to just chill out and stop looking for the devil everywhere–because you’re finding him, and the good Msgr. here is asking you all to get a hold of yourselves because it’s making you a bunch of disrespectful brats.

  • anna lisa

    Please see response to Brian Walsh.

    Thanks.

  • Brian Walsh

    Okay, what were they doing? A morning group stretch? You have just given a reply that is nothing, nothing but innuendo and insult. “The way old ladies crawl up the stairs to the Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe”? Why not? It is a miracle and Our Lady is…you know…Catholic.

    Why would anybody prostrate themselves before a wooden statue? Well….they did. The level of delusion or dishonesty it takes to watch that video and then tell others that they’re crazy is breathtaking.

    WHAT WERE THEY DOING? ANSWER THAT.

  • Timothy J. Williams

    Steve, the contempt and anger of this Monsignor are clearly aroused by his awareness that he is one of a dying breed, well on their way to extinction. They have only other non-believers, apostates, idolaters, and perverts as admirers and readers. Their vocations have been wasted. They have born no fruits. Their parishes have no vocations, and their parishioners do not raise Catholic families. As their dioceses close parishes and schools, one after another, and their influence wanes, they can only revel in the fact that the resistance to all this filth, corruption and apostasy is found mostly in the margins of the Church, often in a state of opposition or even apparent disobedience to the local ordinary, and now, even to the Pope himself. So they rediscover “infalliblity” and fidelity to the pope, these same reprobates who would never grant such status to Humanae Vitae or such loyalty to John-Paul II. Little wonder that they proclaim “Francis is the Pope We Need.” He tells them what they want to hear, that their vices are not sins, that Christianity is really just their leftist politics, that there is no need to reform, repent or evangelize. Under Francis, it has never been so easy to be a Catholic with a clear “conscience,” and now Monsignor Barr can laugh and smile his way into retirement, while the Faith disappears around him.

  • Timothy J. Williams

    You should read Dante’s Inferno. I don’t think blood pressure medicine would help, and I doubt you own a rosary, so…

  • St JD George

    A man who won’t answer his honest critics with an honest answer is not worth following.

  • Love God :)

    Dear Mr. Skojec, St. Catherine of Siena called the pope ‘il dolce nostro Cristo in terra.” I call him the same, and I do pray you will too. You might want to look at WherePeteris.com, a very good website. God Bless you

  • Love God :)

    Dear Msgr Barr, I have been studying my Faith deeply and thoroughly for the past 30 years, and I agree with you 100%. Are you familiar with WherePeterIs.com? You have kindred brothers there who will love to meet you, if you have not already.

    I just wrote a 10-page essay in defense of Our Holy Father. I am trying to figure out a way to send it to you. Or post it here. . .

    God Bless you!!
    Long live Pope Francis, ‘il dolce nostro Cristo in terra,’ as St. Catherine of Siena said back in the 1300’s!!!!

  • Love God :)

    Here is a wonderful article written by a homeschooling mother of 8 who cites heavily St. Thomas Aquinas in order to answer the question, “Is it virtuous to criticize the Pope?” The short answer is NO, the longer answer is that it goes against the virtues of reverence, respect, and mostly, piety. The very long answer is the actual article. I hope/think you will enjoy it: https://www.hprweb.com/2019/04/is-it-virtuous-to-criticize-the-pope/
    God Bless you!

  • Love God :)

    YES!!! AMEN!!! I agree wholeheartedly, festeris. Jesus Christ Our Savior is aware of His Church more than anyone on this earth and he is keeping Pope Francis as His Vicegerunt. With St. Catherine of Siena, and I am sure, you, I proclaim from the mountaintops that he indeed is our “dolce nostro Cristo in terra!”

  • Love God :)

    yes, and Pope St. Pius X wrote this:
    “The Pope is the guardian of dogma and of
    morals; he is the custodian of the principles that make families sound,
    nations great, souls holy; he is the counsellor of princes and of
    peoples; he is the head under whom no one feels tyrannized because he
    represents God Himself; he is the supreme father who unites in himself
    all that may exist that is loving, tender, divine.
    It seems incredible, and is even painful,
    that there be priests to whom this recommendation must be made, but we
    are regrettably in our age in this hard, unhappy, situation of having to
    tell priests: love the Pope!
    And how must the Pope be loved? Non verbo neque lingua, sed opere et veritate. [Not
    in word, nor in tongue, but in deed, and in truth – 1 Jn iii, 18] When
    one loves a person, one tries to adhere in everything to his thoughts,
    to fulfill his will, to perform his wishes. And if Our Lord Jesus Christ
    said of Himself, “si quis diligit me, sermonem meum servabit,”
    [if any one love me, he will keep my word – Jn xiv, 23] therefore, in
    order to demonstrate our love for the Pope, it is necessary to obey him.

    Therefore, when we love the Pope, there
    are no discussions regarding what he orders or demands, or up to what
    point obedience must go, and in what things he is to be obeyed; when we
    love the Pope, we do not say that he has not spoken clearly enough,
    almost as if he were forced to repeat to the ear of each one the will
    clearly expressed so many times not only in person, but with letters and
    other public documents; we do not place his orders in doubt, adding the
    facile pretext of those unwilling to obey – that it is not the Pope who
    commands, but those who surround him; we do not limit the field in
    which he might and must exercise his authority; we do not set above the
    authority of the Pope that of other persons, however learned, who
    dissent from the Pope, who, even though learned, are not holy, because
    whoever is holy cannot dissent from the Pope.
    This is the cry of a heart filled with
    pain, that with deep sadness I express, not for your sake, dear
    brothers, but to deplore, with you, the conduct of so many priests, who
    not only allow themselves to debate and criticize the wishes of the
    Pope, but are not embarrassed to reach shameless and blatant
    disobedience, with so much scandal for the good and with so great damage
    to souls.
    Saint Pius X
    Allocution Vi ringrazio to priests on the 50th anniversary of the Apostolic Union
    November 18, 1912

  • Love God :)

    thank you Andy, very true. God Bless you

  • Love God :)

    Here is part of Pope Francis’ latest homily. He doesn’t sound like a pagan-pushing, heretic, anti-Catholic Pope to me:

    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope-francis/mass-casa-santa-marta/2019-11/pope-francis-mass-devil-destroys-because-envious.html

  • Andy

    God bless you as well.

  • Love God :)

    On October 7, 2019, Cardinal Sarah said in an interview published in Corriere della Sera, an
    Italian daily: “The truth is that the church is represented on earth by the Vicar of Christ, that
    is, by the pope. And whoever is against the pope is, ipso facto, outside the church.” And later
    in the interview, he said, “The truth is that many people write not to give witness to the truth,
    but to place people against one another, to damage human relationships,” he said. “The truth
    doesn’t matter to them.” And “I would add that every pope is right for his time. Providence
    looks after us very well, you know.”

  • matthewchoffman

    But that you implied. The pope included a pagan idol in an official ceremony and people prostrated themselves before it. Do you really think your readers don’t know this, or perhaps do you not know this?

  • Tom G

    You’re a clown. Who is Steve Skojec that we should keep his opinions in mind? You’re a baby, kiddo. Just shut up and go grift somewhere else.

  • Tom G

    Now here’s someone who definitely doesn’t exude contempt and anger. Yeah, Timmy J. Williams. This isn’t a hypocritical comment by you at all 😐

  • Tom G

    Then why do you comment on his blog so incessantly?

  • Tom G

    Puhlease, accuser. You bear the burden of proof here.

    By the logic of your position, when I kneel in front of a statue of the Blessed Mother in my home parish, I’m worshiping the statue of Mary.

    Get over yourself, kiddo.

  • Tom G

    Snoooooore. You anti-Francis folks all sound the same.

  • Tom G

    Aww you poor baby.

  • Tom G

    So you admit that you’re guessing? Calumny is a thing. And you’ve committed it here.

  • Tom G

    Many dioceses in America and throughout the world are having this problem. You’ve done nothing to show causation or even correlation.

    Jeepers, you combox warriors against Francis are pretty lazy.

  • St JD George

    To try and straighten a crooked path. Also because I take Our Blessed Mother’s cries to aid her in leading all souls to heaven and away from perdition seriously. A straight question deserves a straight answer don’t you think? Or are you a man without a mission or purpose too?

  • Tom G

    You need to make up your mind. Either (A) his blog is worth following, or (B) his blog is not worth following. If you think (B), then don’t be a hypocrite. Just go away and live up to your own opinions.

  • Tom G

    Fidelity to which bad Popes? “Fidelity” in what form?

  • Tom G

    Here’s comes Fr. J. to save everyone from their heresy!

    No one is worshiping an idol, dude. Go away.

  • St JD George

    I fight hypocrisy, it’s what I do. I back up my opinions with facts which means they aren’t baseless and not just personal whims. Rather than engage in triteness, try using your cerebral cortex to answer the questions I’ve raised. It’s what serious people who are interested in the Truth do you know.

  • Tom G

    It’s not trite to point out the hypocrisy contained within your own commentary. If his blog is not worth following, then you should not be commenting here. Just go away.

  • St JD George

    Since you are unwilling to properly engage too I will leave “you” alone.
    Make Catholic Great Again Tom.

  • Tom G

    Lol sure thing @stjdgeorge:disqus I’m the one who is “unwilling to properly engage”. You Rad-Trads can literally never answer for your own bad conduct. You literally can never do it. SAD!

  • St JD George

    What is a rad-trad Tom? I identify as Catholic only, how about you? I’m concerned about human beings entrusted to path on the faith only doing so selectively or twisting the faith of Our Fathers, how about you? Don’t matters of abrogation concern you at all Tom, or are you not a very deep thinker. You know God can not abrogate Himself, right? That’s the mark of a false prophet teaching a false religion.

  • Tom G

    Look at this clown! Hahaha silence = guilt – sure thing, guy.

    You realize that you have absolutely no authority over really anyone, right? I like how you call the article “dishonest” before self-identifying as “RadTrad”. Amazing self-certainty, these people.

  • Tom G

    Mmm hmm. Yeah, I’m going to go ahead and refer you back to your prior comment that you still just cannot bring yourself to acknowledge as hypocritical. You say the author’s not worth following, but simply can’t stop commenting.

    If you think he’s not worth following, then stop commenting here. Why can’t you bring yourself to do so, @stjdgeorge:disqus? Afraid to follow your own advice?

  • Andy

    Check history – Pope Francis actually dealt with McCarrick. He returned him to the lay state. He, McCarrick, appears to be laying his own way at the Capuchin Friary.
    https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2019/02/17/mccarrick-will-continue-to-live-at-kansas-friary/

  • St JD George

    That was my final comment to him. Then you appeared as an afterthought.

  • St JD George

    Pray for him though, he’s in a tough spot vocationally trying to defend the indefensible.

  • Tom G

    Lol keep it up, kiddo! I’m sure at this pace you’ll never have to acknowledge your own wrongdoing!

  • Michael

    I’m glad that the good pastor knows what Christ was like and that the pope is more like Him than those who take exception to what appear to be his deliberately confusing statements. Anybody who doesn’t want to see the damage that Pope Francis has done to the Church will not see it….

  • Timothy J. Williams

    I’m glad we agree on something.

  • Tom G

    LOL more self-righteous trash seeping out of FUS. I’m shocked. Shocked! LOLOLOLOLOLOL

  • St JD George

    Kiddo really, who talks like that? Thanks for the intellectually and spiritually stimulating exchange Tom, I need to go rest and take all that you’ve added to the conversation and go reflect. There done, that didn’t take long.
    You strike me as a have to have the last word chap so the floor is all yours. Just remember to pray for stressed out priests trying to navigate and keep their necks under this regime.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    So Andy, the lay state is a punishment? I did not know that. I always thought that being a lay-person is a wonderful thing but you are saying it is a punishment.

    Francis knew McCarrick was a pervert but used him as an adviser anyway until his crimes became public.

    And the only punishment McCarrick received was being allowed to become a lay-catholic with a nice rent free stay at a monastery.

  • Russell Potee

    I am a faithful Catholic that loves the Pope and prays for him in my daily rosary and at Mass and I also respect magisterial teachings of the Church and its holy traditional liturgy. In its opening statements, this article falsely accuses faithful people who love and respect the Pope, the Church and its traditions as heretical anti-papists.

  • Eric Barr

    Thanks for your kind words. I just finished reading the wherepeteris response to Ross Douthat’s opinion piece and interview of Cardinal Burke. It was very good. You can send your essay to Loughderg@aol.com. I’ll be privileged to read it!

  • Eric Barr

    Thanks so much. I was at first taken aback by the vehemence of the responses.

  • Andy

    Maggie – McCarrick list her priestly capabilities; he lost entree to the highest social structures; he is no longer able to acquire money as he once did and live to my mind a lavish life – so I would say yes it us a punishment. Please provide credible evidence that Pope Francis knew he was a pervert; not +Vigano’s claims which are suspect, but actual evidence, that he knew that. As far as rent free neither you nor I know if it us rent free, so unless you have credible evidence that it rent-free, then st best you are spreading a rumor.

  • Eric Barr

    You know of course Angela, that you cannot be Catholic while holding this position.

  • Eric Barr

    Excellent comment!

  • Eric Barr

    You are welcome Anna.

  • Supernex

    “If a Future Pope Teaches Anything Contrary to the Catholic Faith, Do Not Follow Him!” (Bl. Pope Pius IX)

  • Tom G

    No it doesn’t. You’ve misunderstood.

  • Tom G

    Mmm hmm. Still waiting for you to own your visible-from-space hypocrisy. Tell yourself whatever you need to in order to sleep at night. You’re a clown whose appointed himself heresy-hunter with no authority. The sooner you get over yourself, the better.

  • Timothy J. Williams

    Plus, nobody is “slandering” these miscreants whom Bergoglio supports. Eric Barr is lying. He seems to be quite proficient at it.

  • anna lisa

    🙂 thanks

  • David Cooke

    Where Peter Is basically just prides itself on ignoring reality…

  • 1Christopher_Lake9

    Cindy,

    Given that you respect and support Pope Francis (as I do too), I think that you would appreciate the site, “Where Peter Is.” I definitely appreciate it very much. Please check it out and join us there. God bless you! http://www.wherepeteris.com

  • PGMGN

    “Papal Emphasis on Mercy is The Root of Criticism of Pope.”

    Please, back up this statement with facts rather than sentiments, Monsignor.

    Sadly, the facts are evident, that you’re intent on promulgating a mental ghetto. There is no Rad Trad Heresy. There is, however, open heresy within the Church ushered in under a false flag of mercy. But it’s no mercy to misdiagnose and pretend that real problems–with mortal consequences–don’t exist.

    “Christ’s condemnation of scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees was based on
    their hypocrisy in living only the legal requirements of the Law,
    flouting its spirit, yet demanding that lesser mortals live that Law
    perfectly.”

    THIS is so very true, but the Pharisees and Sadducees are they who fail to uphold the spirit of the law–which is founded in the truth–when they put Christ’s light under a bushel basket so they can misdirect the Body of Christ away from her Head which is Our Lord Jesus Christ.

  • PGMGN

    The shallow effort to explain away what should legitimately be questioned/clarified on WherePeterIs.com makes it a detriment to this papacy and believing Catholics.

    We should love God, yes. More than we love the status quo that would have us follow anyone off a cliff.

  • PGMGN

    Maggie–the same could be said for Francis who makes disparaging comments about believing Catholics and then refuses to clarify himself.

    We do need to think clearly, but that applies to Msgr. Barr. His continued calumniation of faithful Catholics is something “he” needs to reconsider. And with all due respect, despite your personal sentiments, we all should analyze what we’re writing/saying.

    This addled, off-the-hip disparagement is the hallmark of this papacy.

    You may have a well-formed conscience and “be able to take it” but others do not and cannot, especially if they are deprived of the fullness of the truth and misled into marginalizing others. And from a priest no less.

  • PGMGN

    This does seem to be Msgr Barr’s view about himself… and those he would pacify in the face of utter confusion.

  • PGMGN

    Your invention of a scapegoat called “RadTrad” heresy, more like. You give yourself away with talk of blood pressure meds and the perpetual need to base your “arguments” on name calling. (That and your own circular reasoning ;^)

    Maybe extract the beam from your eye before recommending others do anything at all.

  • PGMGN

    You know, of course, Eric that your rigorist slip is showing. Where is your mercy for Angela?

  • PGMGN

    Were you really taken aback? Honestly?

    Our Holy Father has said himself that when one insults someone’s mother that the natural inclination is to punch that detractor in the nose. So when you go out of your way to misrepresent those with whom you disagree–for whatever reason–you’re asking for it.

    But feigning shock and ignorance of one’s own misdeeds is par for the course these days.

  • PGMGN

    Excellent in what way? The lack of clarity?

    One cannot give religious assent to that which is intentionally ambiguous and/or opposite of Catholic teaching. And applauding a Pope who refuses to clarify himself is to step far beyond the scriptural admonishment to let one’s yes be yes and one’s no be no.

  • PGMGN

    Aiding and abetting someone’s downfall is not a show of respect, it’s driving the getaway car.

    The Vicar of Christ needs our support–that is he needs to be called to not deny Our Lord three times. And we, despite what you may feel about it, are not proved faithful to the Lord by abandoning Him.

    That said, perhaps YOU should turn the other cheek and exercise meekness to tease out what others actually do think/feel/fear instead of behaving like a school yard enforcer.

  • PGMGN

    “If you think I’m wrong, tell me where and how. That’s how conversation goes.”

    And yet you refuse to engage by the above method. Cite facts, actual facts, and leave off name calling. Look into your own heart for this mercy you demand of others and show us what you’d like to see.

  • Love God :)

    Yes, I agree, and that is why we have a pope. Habemus Papam!! Praise God that He has given the Authority to ONE MAN upon this earth that we all may NOT fall into confusion. God Bless you

  • Love God :)

    Dear Mr. Skojec, You sure aint making it easy to see things your way when you speak to the Good Father in that tone of voice

  • PGMGN

    You and I do agree. One man has been given the authority. But that does not preclude a misuse of that authority or an abnegation of the duties required by he who has said authority.

    So, sadly, if the one tasked with teaching and CLARIFYING refuses to do so, we WILL fall into confusion.

    God bless us all!

  • anna lisa

    So, my answer that is stuck in moderation went to your inbox. I’m fine with that. I have nothing to prove here, and certainly not with ALL CAPS. Please don’t think it’s the Holy Spirit keeping my heretical views hidden. I’ve been hanging out with Trads for decades and I know how they think, and what they talk about. They are always hoping that God will zap their enemies.

  • Timothy J. Williams

    That site should be renamed “Where Papolotry Is.” It is an embarrassing Protestant caricature of Catholic dogma.

  • Brian Walsh

    I’m not a trad. Been to one diocesan TLM. I just like the truth. I tend to believe my lyin’ eyes. So unless you want to offer something even within the realm of possibility as to what was going on in that video–and recourse to insulting a monolithic group isn’t a reply–then I’m going to continue believing that they were doing what they were doing. Cause…you know….they were.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    Worshiping an occult, demonic, pagan, goddess is not accepting Jesus or Mary……..it is paganism plain and simple.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/40656ca2d8ae50094e3d21b4bcc5ce988c28e422619664f98c667c21155613c4.jpg

  • anna lisa

    You are right. But it’s a straw man argument.

    Trust me, that I know what a witch, a shaman or a Wiccan is. That’s not what those people in the video are intent on doing. If the optics of “Our Lady of the Amazon” are less than to your liking, look away. They are not devil worshippers. Hysteria only attracts the hysterical.

    My friend who is a Wiccan? You could make a convincing argument to me that she is worshipping something profoundly evil. But if I straight up told her that –she wouldn’t believe me. I am employing a different approach with her. She has lived a very difficult life and her Catholic parents failed her.

  • Love God :)

    Please let us all know which things that Holy Father is teaching us that is contrary to the Catholic Faith. I haven’t heard of anything yet.

  • Love God :)

    Dear David, Did you ask WherePeterIs if they ignore reality and how they ignore reality?

  • Love God :)

    All this disagreement proves to me again and again that Christ Our Savior in His Wisdom and Goodness gave the Authority to one man alone upon this earth. Long live Pope Francis. I thank Thee dear God for looking after us so well

  • Love God :)

    Did you call and ask Pope Francis if he is misusing his authority or abnegating his duties? I think it might be a good idea to do that. Then you will be giving him a chance to explain himself to you

  • Love God :)

    Did Pope Francis announce that he was having pagan worship at the Vatican? Perhaps he was respecting the culture of the folks he was meeting with?

  • Love God :)

    Pope Francis just despises pharisaical behavior. Christ Our Savior did too

  • Love God :)

    Just the fact that there is so much disagreement and such convinces me more and more deeply of the goodness and Wisdom of Almighty God in giving us one man and one man alone to settle the issues. Ask the POPE! ! ! 🙂

  • Supernex

    The examples are too numerous to list, just gotta get your head outta the sand for a bit, it would seem.

  • Supernex

    Ask the pope? You mean, like the Dubia? Yeah, I think we all know how he (didn’t) answer that one…lol.

  • Supernex

    Has there ever been a pope at the helm that has caused more confusion than this one? Heck, even the condemned Honorius would’ve seemed crystal clear compared to Francis…

  • Love God :)

    EXACTLY!! Don’t forget that silence is indeed an answer. Herod, Christ. . . .

  • Supernex

    So then how does that square with what this particular priest wrote in this article?

  • Buz Snyder

    i see what you did there! using papolatry to accuse someone of being a pharisee…very clever. in reality, our wonderful pope seems more like a sadducee.

  • Love God :)

    One definition of the word ‘confusion’ is ‘not understanding.’ I think that’s the confusion in the Church. The solution would be to read Pope Francis’ documents and his own words instead of all the railings and commentary

  • Supernex

    The answer assumed, then, would seem to be the heretical one, judging by the mess he continues to cause on the subject.

  • Supernex

    That assumes one ISN’T reading his words & documents. I can assure you, I have, as well have others who share my concerns.

  • Love God :)

    Dear mr Snyder, If you would like to win me to your way of thinking, it would help if you were more respectful of Our Holy Father, the Vicar of Christ on earth, il dolce nostro Cristo in terra, (as St. Catherine of Siena said)

  • PGMGN

    Ask the POPE and get no answer. Hence confusion, a “mess” (which he openly said he encouraged the flock to make), and accusations of schism/heresy (something he joked openly that he’d be accused of.)

    A father has a duty to lead, defend, teach, and protect. Not foment confusion and then blame his children for asking him questions and questioning his commitment to his duty ;^)

  • Love God :)

    If you read his works, he has at least four documents, you will receive all the answers you need. I did and I feel no confusion, no sadness, nothing but gratitude to God for caring for us so deeply to give us Pope Francis 🙂 God Bless you

  • PGMGN

    Did you read scripture wherein Our Lord said that the fruits are that by which the faithful should judge? I doubt it. I also doubt that you’re familiar with 2 Timothy 4:3

    “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
    Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
    number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”

    The Holy Father, despite your valiant defense, has an obligation to uphold the dignity of his office and to execute the duties thereof. That precludes making intentional messes, failure to answer the due process of Dubia put to him by 4 Cardinals for the purpose of clarifying ambiguous statements, and defending the Deposit of the Faith, not obscuring it.

    What you “think” might be a good idea is nothing but another excuse not to think…. not even about the good of Our Holy Father’s soul. That’s sad.

  • PGMGN

    A caricature to be sure–but such a sorry display of the fallout of spiritual abuse. Those poor souls at “WherePeterIs” are starving. Kind of a Stockholm Syndrome.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    Of course they are worshiping a false goddess…….it was a mark of this synod and pontificate that the earth on a level with God.
    Here is the Encyclopedia definition of Pachamama
    https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/pachamama
    It’s clear this is a demonic, occult, false-goddess.

    We do have one other explanation.
    It is the attitude that WE ARE CATHOLICS and you have had your goddess Pachamama for centuries but because WE ARE CATHOLICS we are telling you we own your false goddess and we say it is not what you have said and believed it is for centuries.
    It doesn’t matter what the worshipers of Pachamama say WE ARE CATHOLIC and we now tell you what Pachmama is.

    Personally I don’t like either choice. Worshiping false gods or telling those who do worship it that WE ARE CATHOLICS and now we tell you what Pachamama is.

  • Love God :)

    On October 7, 2019, Cardinal Sarah said in an interview published in Corriere della Sera, an
    Italian daily: “The truth is that the church is represented on earth by the Vicar of Christ, that
    is, by the pope. And whoever is against the pope is, ipso facto, outside the church.” And later
    in the interview, he said, “The truth is that many people write not to give witness to the truth,
    but to place people against one another, to damage human relationships,” he said. “The truth
    doesn’t matter to them.” And “I would add that every pope is right for his time. Providence
    looks after us very well, you know.”

  • PGMGN

    Francis’s “documents” are the source of confusion. So, yes, God cares for us deeply and seems to be using Francis to wake up sleepy/tepid Catholics.

  • Love God :)

    If you want to win me to your side Supernex, it might help if you are charitable with me. I have read the Holy Father’s words and have seen his actions and find nothing heretical. Perhaps we ought to call him and ask him if he is acting and speaking in a heretical way. He was not elected Pope because he is unable to understand the Church

  • PGMGN

    Silence is an answer–Francis seems to agree with the confusion he is causing otherwise he’d clarify his statements.

  • So basically, your argument is that the human race needs more sin, and thus, Pope Francis’s mercy fits what you think the human race needs.

    Given your type of priest and what they’ve been up to for the past 70 years, do children also need to be abused? After all, Jesuits are first and foremost spiritual abusers.

  • Love God :)

    Dear Cindy, if you read the Holy Father’s documents instead of all the commentary about him all over the internet, you will, like me, be filled with great joy and love for Almighty God Who gave us this pope. Msgr Barr is, I am sure, very upset by all the railing and reviling of Our Holy Father that is happening all over the internet. I heartily recommend WherePeterIs.com as well. God Bless you

  • PGMGN

    His own words are contradictory and unclear–hence the request for clarification.

    Look beyond the “railings” and ask yourself why so many would take issue with the Holy Father’s statements. There has to be a reason. And it goes beyond Msgr. Barr’s “railing” that is no reflection of Christ.

    If it were, he’d turn the other cheek and ask those who take issue with Francis’ “teachings” why they take issue instead of killing others with his words.

  • Love God :)

    Dear matthewchoffmann, Pope Francis was merely respecting the other persons’ culture. God Bless you

  • Love God :)

    Our Savior Jesus Christ called the Pharisees a ‘brood of vipers.’

  • PGMGN

    Those who are “for” the Pope would like him to save his soul. The truth is that Francis is deviating from the truth, or at the very least intentionally obscuring it. His refusal to engage with those who would support him in truth is damaging human relationships–and causing grave scandal.

  • Love God :)

    I am also saddened that the things being said against the Vicar of Christ on earth, and the dissent is rending the Church. To those who are not as learned in the faith, it looks so much like disunity. I am able to take every article of the Dubia, the working document ‘errors’ et al, and show how Pope Francis is faithfully teaching us the Holy Faith and is not in any way heretical

  • Love God :)

    Reading Pope Francis’ documents, exhortations, letters, etc has filled me with the greatest joy and hope and peace. Stay away from websites and newssources that rail against him and you will be filled with hope. God Bless you!!

  • Love God :)

    Did you read them? They are in line with the Faith and a continuation of the previous popes’ words. Also, one definition of the word ‘confusion’ is to ‘not understand’ Just because we don’t understand everything doesn’t mean it’s wrong

  • CCH

    I am saddened when the 1st Commandment is not being respected.

  • Supernex

    The fact that I am having this discussion with you at all would point to the fact that I am being charitable, to at least some degree. The word I think you are looking for is “nice”.

    Just because YOU don’t take issue with this disaster of a pontificate, doesn’t invalidate the millions of us who do (laity and clergy alike).

  • Timothy J. Williams

    Do you know anything about the history of the papacy? For your own bubbly comfort, I would advise you against studying Church history!

  • Andy

    For McCarrick having his priesthood removed, listing his ability to raise money and live a life with the famous -probably he sees it as a punishment. Not that being a Kay-person is a punishment, but having a status removed is. Please provide credible evidence that
    Pope Francis gad any knowledge of McCarrik’s behavior, other than Vigano, who actually endorsed him. And unless you can provide evidence that McCarrick us living rent-free in the monastery you are gossiping, and please stop that.

  • PGMGN

    Yes, actually. And they are in line with the Faith in some ways, but venture out of bounds in others — out of bounds in ways the Holy Father refuses to clarify when asked with due respect by his cardinals. It is this speaking out both sides of his mouth that is the problem. (Francis seems inclined to let others do the dirty work of taking his words to heretical extreme only to feign ignorance as to his having given them license.)

    He foments confusion and then refuses to clarify.

    Your summation with regard to “understanding” is not appropriate in this instance. Reason being, the Holy Father has been unclear and thus has an obligation to clarify himself. Otherwise those who do not understand what he is trying to say cannot be declared as enemies for Francis is the source of the confusion.

    One cannot follow a directive that is unclear. Msgr. Barr’s inflammatory portrayal of those who justifiably seek clarity from the Holy Father about what “he” proposes is tantamount for upbraiding a child for asking clear directions from a father who refuses to speak.

  • Love God :)

    Good evening Mr. Williams, If you intend for me to agree with you and see things your way, it would be necessary for you to be a little more charitable with me 😉
    On October 7, 2019, Cardinal Sarah said in an interview published in
    Corriere della Sera, an Italian daily:
    “The truth is that the church is represented on earth by the Vicar
    of Christ, that is, by the pope. And whoever is against the pope is, ipso
    facto, outside the church.” And
    later in the interview, he said, “The truth is that many
    people write not to give witness to the truth, but to place people against one
    another, to damage human relationships,” he said. “The
    truth doesn’t matter to them.” And “I would add that every pope
    is right for his time. Providence looks
    after us very well, you know.”

  • Love God :)

    On October 7, 2019, Cardinal Sarah said in an interview published in
    Corriere della Sera, an Italian daily:
    “The truth is that the church is represented on earth by the Vicar
    of Christ, that is, by the pope. And whoever is against the pope is, ipso
    facto, outside the church.” And
    later in the interview, he said, “The truth is that many
    people write not to give witness to the truth, but to place people against one
    another, to damage human relationships,” he said. “The
    truth doesn’t matter to them.” And “I would add that every pope
    is right for his time. Providence looks
    after us very well, you know.”

  • Supernex

    What about all the bad popes throughout history – including the condemned ones? Should we listen to them when they spout heresy? Should we follow them into corruption? Did St. Paul not admonish St. Peter?

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Pope Francis is clear and concise, he is following Jesus, not just dogma that has been around for centuries. Did you see how many R. C. Churches are closing? In my small city., six have closed. The only folks you see trekking to church on a Saturday Mass are old folks and the same is true for the Mass on Sunday. Our local church had a daily Mass, and that had so few people that the priest no longer holds a daily Mass. Of the churches that are remaining, they have part time priests. Fewer young men are entering the priesthood.
    Perhaps by bringing the Roman Catholic Church into 2019, they may have to allow priests to marry, albeit, the priest’s wife of children will not be able to inherit church property, which was why the R. C. Church decided that all priests must be celibate many centuries ago.
    The times they are ‘a changin’. Pope Francis is the change that is needed lest the R. C. Church soon be a church that “is no more.”

  • sancho

    Wow monsignor I’m going to start calling you Gandalf. You shine the light which attracts the horde of angry orcs. Adelante monsignor! Que Dios te bendiga! Viva el Papa Francisco! Viva Cristo Rey!

  • PGMGN

    You are not listening to Francis if you believe him to be “clear” and “concise.”

    Your moniker says “JudgeforYourself37.” If you truly believe that, then perhaps you may want to allow for others to judge by the fruits of what is clearly visible under this pontificate: Confusion. Purposeful confusion. A heap of pandering, too, which is nauseating in the extreme.

    As to the times ‘a changin,’ they are. Blindly following error is becoming passe. And fewer young men are entering the priesthood because it’s highly unattractive thanks to a delusion of potency. The salt has been intentionally sapped of its savor.

    But go ahead and join the new NGO. Leave faith behind and go for new and improved and “catchy.”

  • anna lisa

    “It’s clear this is a demonic, occult, false-goddess.”

    “Of course they are worshiping a false goddess”

    Hmmmm . You are so, s sure. What authority you have been given! Even if you are right, (and I’d bet my bottom that you are not) . WWJD?

    Maybe he’d draw in the sand for a while and then look up at the angry crowd with a penetrating glance, slowly saying: “Let he(she) who has never placed false idols before me, throw the first stone.”

  • PGMGN

    Our Lord absolutely despised Pharisaical behavior. But one can be a hypocrite in myriad ways–one of them being to say, “Look at how liberal I am. How deferential to the Pope. And how rigid those others are for upholding the spirit of the law that Jesus taught.” Our Lord was the One who taught clearly about the nature of marriage.

  • PGMGN

    One doesn’t need to announce something. Much like the devil doesn’t tempt by way of announcing the evil ends he has in mind. LoL.

    Did the Apostles disrespect the culture when they preached the gospel and forbade idol worship?

    Perhaps some are being obtuse and seeking excuses to deny reality.

  • PGMGN

    Nobody is throwing stones, but rather calling idolatry idolatry.

    If Jesus had said adultery isn’t sinful or adultery isn’t adultery, you may have a point. But He didn’t say that.

  • Timothy J. Williams

    And what if a pope disregards one (or several) of God’s commandments? You place the pope above God. That is not Catholic.

  • Buz Snyder

    i don’t recall asking you to see it my way…you know, free will and all. he’s a man and a sinner like any other. no less, no more. if he speaks ex cathedra i’ll listen. if he ignores the dubia, teaches confusion, and supports and promotes bishops who continue to wreak havoc on Christ’s church, i’ll call it like i see it.

  • Chris Meehan

    This is the explanation of Pope Francis I’ve been waiting for! I knew there was a good way to explain what he has been trying to do, but I couldn’t articulate it. Thank you, Msgr. Barr! I hope those well-intentioned but mistaken conservatives give the pope the benefit of the doubt before they rush to condemn. Humility is a virtue even when you’re positive you’re right!

  • spk4244

    This still doesn’t address what Catholics are most concerned about: The rejection of Tradition in light of new practices that are opposed to Church Teaching. It’s great that he is addressing some of the things you mentioned (ie preferential treatment of poor).

    Nobody is trying to “bring down the Pope”. They just want a Catholic Pope – it’s not that much to ask for…

  • Judgeforyourself37

    OK, PGMGN, we get your drift. You dislike the Pope, so do not attend Mass anymore, and join a Far-Right Evangelical Church, they might be more “up your alley.” They are even more right-wing than most Catholics.
    The Pope wants to try to regain members, especially much needed young people with educations, and bring the R. C. Church into the 21st century and not stay in the 17th century.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Now, we can agree if you finally realize that Pope Francis is trying to “wake up” tepid Catholics. They should wake up and start living the century in which we now live!

  • Love God :)

    we read in Lumen Gentium from Vatican II, 25: ” . . . religious
    submission of mind and will must be shown in a special way to the authentic
    magisterium of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra;
    that is, it must be shown in such a way that his supreme magisterium is
    acknowledged with reverence, the judgments made by him are sincerely adhered
    to, according to his manifest mind and will. His mind and will in the matter
    may be known either from the character of the documents, from his frequent
    repetition of the same doctrine, or from his manner of speaking.”

  • Love God :)

    We do not get angry when Christ Our Savior dispensed with a little tradition in order to win souls ( speaking with the woman at the well, washing of cups and jugs, woman caught in adultery. . . ), why must we get angry when Our Holy Father, His Vicar dispenses with a little bit of tradition in order to win souls. I know there is little t tradition and big T Tradition. Those are the Mass, Sacraments, etc. Which big T Traditions have Our Holy Father discarded? None

  • Love God :)

    YES!!! And obedience feels so good when you can obey in freedom and intelligence. Long live Pope Francis!! Long live Christ Our King!!

  • Love God :)

    Amen!!! “You SHALL NOT PASS! ! ! “

  • Love God :)

    That’s not what Pope Francis is teaching

  • Bob Kosch

    The author attempts to intimidate laypeople through credentialism (i.e. clericalism), but is obviously not a canon lawyer. He cavalierly accuses traditional Catholics of heresy. Heresy is the obstinate denial of a divinely-revealed truth. It’s not a pejorative to be casually tossed around to denigrate people whose opinions he disapproves of.

  • Prove it. Prove that encouraging divorce and remarriage isn’t encouraging sinful, abusive divorce (divorce is ALWAYS abusive, even when the cause is other forms of abuse). Prove that this new emphasis on draconian population control by forced conversion to homosexuality through clerical abuse in the service of “ecology” and a love of the new goddess “Mother Earth” is not spreading sin. Prove that abusive homosexual lust from cardinals, bishops, and priests is somehow “loving”.

    Because right now, I’m convinced that all the Jesuits want is more abuse and sin. After all, that’s why they only ever quote the first 5 verses of Matthew chapter 7- and NEVER bother to read the rest of the chapter. All forgiveness, all denial that sin exists, never repentance, never justice.

  • 2nd reply- partially true. It isn’t what Pope Francis is teaching directly, but it IS what Monsignor Barr is teaching in the article above.

  • I’m saddened that you have come out for sin and vice against Christ. Just like the entire Jesuit order.

  • Please try. But since I have yet to see any actual argument that doesn’t end up supporting the sins of divorce, homosexuality, and abortion, I somehow doubt you can.

  • PGMGN

    LoL. Who is “we?” Are you the Queen of England?

    Maybe you should address specifics instead of engaging in bullying tactics better suited to adetention hall. The Catholic Church is tasked with the salvation of souls–not political climates and one-up-man-ship.

    But if you want to belong to the biggest club–go for it. But Christ didn’t evangelize anyone by not telling them the truth.

  • Guthrum

    What is needed is a pope who reforms the Catholic church by returning it to Biblical authority.

  • Micha_Elyi

    TL, DR; The hired man opens the gate and scatters the sheep again.

  • Micha_Elyi

    I am saddened that the hired man dodged the dubia.

  • Micha_Elyi

    I’d like to see the hired man himself answer the dubia. He has the smell of an open gate, not of the sheep. The hired man has left the sheep to scatter.

  • Micha_Elyi

    That’s the hired man’s motto, yes. He’s a clumsy sheep-scattering scold. Despite his exhortations the hired man smells of the open gate, not of the sheep.

  • Eric Barr

    Bob, Jansenism is the favorite heresy of the RadTrads. And you are right. I am not a canon lawyer and abhor legalism, another Jansenistic attribute loved by RadTrads. Rather than being cavalier, I’m seriously concerned.

  • Alan Sexton

    The author is either willfully ignorant, or deviously assumes the sheep are so ignorant as to accept his hateful, false narrative.

  • I wish my name was Fred

    Pathos’ ‘Freelance Christianity’ definitely isn’t free speech Christianity, the Lefties hate free speech and will ban you there.

  • I wish my name was Fred

    Vance Morgan the moderator replies to me and then bans me, he’s a coward.

  • anna lisa

    “Cause…you know…they were”

    Well then case closed! Because…you know!

    So many experts on the subject.
    –Quick question: Even though I have never prostrated myself to an image of our Lady (that I can remember), I don’t think it is wrong. If I prostrated myself in front of a plaster statue, representing Mary, dressed like a Spanish queen, replete with jewels and sumptuous robes, would you consider that completely “kosher”?

  • Brian Walsh

    Once again: what were they doing? On knees, facing statues and then bow down to prostrate position.

    Also, how about what happened in the the Transpontina church in which they turned the pews around to face these statues which surrounded by pictures of ecological martyrs (who died for a faith but not the Catholic faith)?

  • CCH

    Modernism is the reason why Bergoglio was elected pope and the reason why people support him. If you don’t support these modernist views, then you’re a tepid Catholic according to the proponents of Modernism who believe that morality evolves and so should Church teaching, and we should all adopt the mores of the century in which we live.

    And those who disagree must be vilified with name calling, whether it’s calling them “tepid Catholics” etc.

  • anna lisa

    “On knees, facing statues and then bow down to prostrate position.”

    Completely consistent with Catholic culture and history. (You didn’t answer the question.)

    “these statues which surrounded by pictures of ecological martyrs (who died for a faith but not the Catholic faith)?”

    a. How do you know they were not Catholic?

    b. Is to die for a noble cause outside of the body of faith? Please explain.

  • CCH

    A dogma of the Catholic Church is defined as “a truth revealed by God, which the magisterium of the Church declared as binding.” Not even popes have the authority to change dogma.

    Dogma is following Jesus. It does not change, unless you are a follower of the Modernist heresy.

  • Third time is maybe the charm. It is what his alter ego, also known as Pope Francis, is teaching in the popular press. And I hold, that he is responsible for any writing that could even be vaguely twisted that way- or at least, is guilt of failing to present clearly worded explanations that are in keeping with anything resembling Church Teaching.

  • It’s worse than that, the hired man has himself hired men to scatter the sheep.

  • I suggest Benedict IX did.

  • It is precisely because I have read his documents, that I accuse him of encouraging sin.

  • Do you have the phone #?

  • Michael Eberl

    One could posit this is exactly what the author did by writing this judgmental article.

  • Michael Eberl

    “He possesses the peculiar but admirable Jesuit trait of understanding human weakness while still holding to orthodox belief.” Can that also be said of Fr Arturo Sosa, the current head of the Jesuits, who claims Satan is a mythical creature, made up to explain evil in this world? Most Jesuits have lost any belief in the supernatural.

  • Love God :)

    If the examples are too numerous, can you start with one? Just tell me one thing and we can start there.

    In the meantime, the entire fiasco of the Pacamama debacle can be solved as soon as we read the first few pages of ‘Laudatio Si,’ in which Pope Francis quotes St. Francis of Assisi who sings of “Mother Earth,” as a sister, etc.

    It’s unfortunate that the words St. Francis of Assisi are so similar to those of Pope Francis, yet his is not railed against but Pope Francis is.
    I really feel that certain folks are judging harshly Pope Francis while never having read his documents, encyclicals and letters. God Bless you

  • Love God :)

    He does not encourage sin in his documents, but rather discourages sin. His homilies are wonderful too.

  • Love God :)

    yes

    His Holiness Pope Francis
    Vatican City State, 00120

    phone: +390669881022
    fax: +390669885373

  • Then why did he encourage abusive divorce and remarriage in Chapter 8 of Amoris Laetitia?

    Why did he encourage idolatry in “A Document on Human Fraternity for World Peace and Living Together”?

    Why did he promote abortion and draconian population reduction in Laudato Si?

    Three specific documents, three specific cases of encouraging sin.

  • Thank you. Now to just find the time to call so I can ask him why he hates heterosexual families with lots of children so much.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Love, love, love, The Pope, he is bringing the Church into the 21st Century, now maybe some of our young people will return to the church. BTW, he did not exonerate the pedophiles, he wants them brought to justice, in a criminal court as well as the court at the Vatican.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Pope Francis “Hates” no one. However, unlike other popes he has a sense of humor, enjoys life and wants to see others come to church because they WANT to, not merely because they feel that they must. God Bless Pope Francis may he have a long, and healthy papacy.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Whoa there, CCH. I agreed with you! This is the 21st century, we are nearly 25% into the 21st century, and that is where Pope Francis lives, and where he believes the church is, also. He wants to see full pews, with both young and old folks eager to attend Mass. Who have we seen in the past? Old folks with gray hair, no young families. Someone posted that he “hated” large families. Not at all but he does not want couple to have to have more children than they can afford to raise!
    Pope Francis is a Modernist and so am I.

  • Love God :)

    If folks would only read the first few pages of ‘Laudato Si’ there would be no Pacamama fiasco/scandal going on right now, there would be no unnamed exorcist priests striving to undo the damage and the demonic “influences ” at the Vatican right now. For St. Francis of Assisi himself has referred to creation as ‘Mother’ and ‘sister’

    Or perhaps those 4 exorcists should stand around St. Francis’ tomb and pray the same prayers? It’s so ridiculous

  • Love God :)

    Yes, please find the time to call him. He will calm all your fears. He will tell you that he does indeed not hate heterosexual families with lots of children. He will direct you to read ‘Amoris Laetitia’ where he describes in great detail how to love your spouse. Then read ‘Laudato Si’ and see how pro-life, pro-person he is

    Pope Francis just cannot stand hypocracy. He cannot stand the attitude that some big families have of “I’m better than you are because I have more children than you.” I witnessed that attitude. It’s not the attitude of ‘Humanae Vitae.’ ‘Humanae Vitae’ is not a document about having as many children as possible. It is a document about doing God’s Will at all times regarding every child we conceive.
    God Bless you

  • Love God :)

    no, not heretical. Just read and re-read his documents, homilies and encyclicals and you will see there is no mess, just the big one we are creating by not striving to understand what he is saying.

  • Love God :)

    Christ our Savior refused to comment sometimes. He caused ‘great confusion’ when he began to teach about his Body and Blood. In fact many left Him on account of it and He did not say, “Wait, come back, let Me explain.” He let them go. Then He had much less following Him, but He sure rewarded their trust at the Last Supper. God Bless you

  • Love God :)

    Jesus Christ our Savior refused to comment sometimes. He caused ‘great
    confusion’ when he began to teach about his Body and Blood. In fact
    many left Him on account of it and He did not say, “Wait, come back, let
    Me explain.” He let them go. Then He had much less following Him, but
    He sure rewarded their trust at the Last Supper. God Bless you

  • PGMGN

    The Truth sets us free–and truthfully this papacy has some serious explaining to do because the fruits of confusion are clearly visible.

    And, yes, Our Lord was clear about the teaching surround His Body and Blood and allowed those who questioned His CLEAR statements walk away. Christ didn’t troll people by laying snares and being obtuse and then grinning and remaining silent when asked for clarification.

    So when faced with a Pope who seemingly departs from what Christ taught clearly about marriage–and the mission to baptize all nations–believing Catholics must make a choice. But go ahead and persecute those who are telling the truth or seeking it. Follow the high priest Ciaphas.

  • PGMGN

    Our Lord was CLEAR in saying we must eat His Body and drink His blood. There was no need to explain and no explanation because those who rejected His statements understood the meaning. That’s why they walked away.

    Francis is being very unclear and skirting further and further from the clarity of Christ. That’s on him. And on you, too.

    But others are absolutely trusting in Christ Jesus–the Word. He will protect/defend His Church despite those like yourself who would feign to throw out those cleaving to Him.

    God bless you.

  • PGMGN

    Francis of Assisi didn’t bow down and offer reparatory sacrifices of plants/etc for wounding the earth as if it were a god. Big difference. One doesn’t worship the creature.

    If folks would only read the whole of Laudato Si and all of Francis’s writings and put them in context with the teachings of Holy Mother Church, history, and the whole of the catechism, they would understand that the exorcists’ attempts to dispel the diabolical disorientation–evident in your comments as well–is the least we can do outside praying to Our Lord God for forgiveness.

  • PGMGN

    The mess is evident right here. Francis is fomenting confusion and departing from established teachings to go his own way.

    That said, it’s rather cruel of a loving Father to allow his children to fall into confusion because he chooses not to teach as his duty demands.

  • Michael Eberl

    Are you stating the statue represents Our Blessed Mother?

  • Michael Eberl

    That is delusional thinking. Your friend is engaging in very dangerous activities, especially being a Baptized Catholic. You are doing her no favors. Her salvation is the only important issue.

  • Michael Eberl

    WWJD if you decided to practice Satanism?

  • Michael Eberl

    The Franciscan is committing a sacrilege. He should absolutely know better. Diabolical disorientation possibly?

  • PGMGN

    Providence does look after us. Perfectly. And this papacy is perfect for this time as Francis’s blatant departures from Catholic teaching–and often scripture–is waking up a good many sleeping in the pews to the reality that wilful blindness is no proof of faith.

  • CCH

    Pope Francis lives in the 21st century where the heresy of Modernism prevails.

    Filling pews by watering down Catholic doctrines and dogma to conform with current decadent trends is the heresy of Modernism. This heresy was condemned INFALLIBLY by Pope Pius X in the encyclical Pascendi Dominici Gregis.

    Christ called on us to enter by the “narrow gate.” By Protestantizing ourselves and changing previously infallibly declared doctrines and dogma we bring people instead to a FALSE Christ.

    I do agree that both the pope and you embrace Modernism.

  • An interesting point of theological consideration that could clear up my problem with Pope Francis- just as God does not force his mercy upon us, should we force our mercy on those who do not seek forgiveness from us? All this Jubilee Year I keep getting pushed to forgive those who refuse to even admit that a sin is a sin. But what if that is a wrong interpretation of God’s mercy? What if that is enabling rather than accompanying?

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Pope Francis does not protect pedophiles, the previous popes did. Furthermore, Pope Francis smiles, has a sense of humor and whereas Pope John the XXIII opened the windows, Pope Francis is opening the doors. He IS following Christ as he is accepting, loving, compassionate and kind, and thankfully, bringing the R. C. Church into the 21st Century. He thinks that pedophiles need to be prosecuted by local or state judiciaries.
    Long live Pope Francis. If you wish to be judgmental, you have that right. However, Pope Francis does not judge, as he knows, as all good Christians should know, that only God can “judge,” Judgment is mine said the Lord.
    If you want to have younger people in church a pope such as Pope Francis is the right pope for 2019, if you want only the old folks, who will soon be gone on to another life, then Pope Pius, or Pope Benedict (The enforcer) are the popes for you. As someone who is elderly, I want to see the younger generations feel welcome in the R. C. Church, and not attend because they are forced to attend by the parents and then when they are of age to decide for themselves, to be a part of the Christian Alumnae, and not attend any church.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    No, her parents can believe as they so choose, as does she. Parents cannot control their adult children.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Who would want to smell like sheep. If you ever smelled adult sheep you would know that the smell is awful! The open gate of the church may bring our young people back into the fold, if they are not made welcome, they will go elsewhere, and the RC Church will die. In fact, in my small city six Roman Catholic Churches closed, due to lack of attendance, the lack of priests and the knowledge that fewer and fewer young men are entering the priesthood. Perhaps if priests could marry, albeit , not own church property, and lead a normal life, and marry if they so chose, you might see more young men entering the priesthood. BTW, perhaps the church should allow women to be priests, as other denominations, such as do Eastern Orthodox Churches.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Some Catholics want to live in the 14th Century, others want to live in reality and in the 21st Century! God Bless Pope Francis, he living in the real world, not the world that some traditionalists try to live but as their children depart and their grandchildren depart and become anti church, and the pews are becoming more empty by the day and those who do attend Mass are only the elderly, perhaps the traditionalists will wake up and realize that Jesus said nothing about either abortion, or sexuality, other than he condemned adultery, he said nothing about the LBGT community, that was in the Hebrew Scriptures when Hebrew Tribes were being enslaved and killed and need to expand or become extinct. Thus the admonition against homosexuality. They did not know, at that time that someone who is LBGT was born LBGT, just as they did not know that the Earth was not flat, or that the Sun did not revolve around the Earth, or that seizures were certainly not caused by “demons.” We must realize that “The Times, They Are A’Changing.”

  • PGMGN

    Some Catholics want the Catholic Church to remain Catholic. Much like some prefer milk to be advertised as milk–not bourbon.

    But go ahead with the exclamation marks and extolling he who can change nothing.

    Times change but people–that is human nature–remains the same. And if you’re intent on “judgingforyourself” you may want to begin by getting rid of the log, fuzz, and darkness preventing you from clear thinking with regards to facts instead of feelings.

  • PGMGN

    The Open GATE lets the sheep out along with the Deposit of the Faith. The shepherd is supposed to guard the flock, not open the gates to all manner of threats with a crazy, face splitting grin as if Jesus was mistaken in not jumping off the cliff at the behest of Satan.

    One doesn’t put God to the test.

    Feel free to “judgeforyourself” if you’d like, but you may want to give yourself some basis for true judgment by leaving off ignorant rhetoric.

  • PGMGN

    If you’re “seriously” concerned then why do you behave in the manner of a bully? Name calling? Shouting down? There is no such thing as RadTrad–thus your presumption that others prefer Janesenism is a complete fabrication.

  • anna lisa

    Sure, why not? I’ve seen much worse. We must have hit an all time low in making spray-paint-Barbie-looking-Mary in the late 50s (shiver). Those tempt my faith.

  • PGMGN

    Who are you to judge? Of course, you know, you have zero credentials in this department. Reason being, you demonstrably do not hold a Catholic position.

  • PGMGN

    Feigned shock is effeminate in the extreme, and beneath the dignity of one in your position. But so too is name calling and smearing. Shame on you.

  • PGMGN

    Disciplining critics? IS THAT WHAT YOU’RE DOING? The insistence on schoolyard name calling and gossip-girl reputation smearing is beneath your duty of state.

  • PGMGN

    If you have to run interference for a demonstrably questionable pope–to the degree of calumniating those who have legitimate reservations–then it is you who seeks a different Church. Not the Catholic Church. Your words here demonstrate a frustrated, childish, slavish spirit–not a faith-filled one based on the rock of truth.

  • PGMGN

    Primary sources are the basis for a genuine conversation of this caliber–not a reference to your own questionable baseless theories. That said, if this column is meant to be “provocative” why would you feign shock over the tenor of responses to it?

  • PGMGN

    What about the group you represent? Would you accuse Christ of not trusting in God because He refused to put Him to the test? Would you willfully and with eyes-wide-open jump off the cliff at the behest of Satan to prove something? Jesus didn’t.

  • PGMGN

    Says the man who Adam Schiff’s an entire group he cannot debate with actual fact.

  • PGMGN

    “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” Socrates

    That must be why you’re desperate to create the fallacy of a “RadTradHeresy” and engage circular logic to preclude accountability for your rash and shallow suppositions.

  • PGMGN

    You’re sticking pins in the greatest of all popes–converting the pagans was the watchword. Not converting Catholicism so those who like their idols can keep their idols. Good grief.

  • Juan

    If one is to consider that Jesus Christ himself created the Church, saying that we need to change that which has been divinely inspired is an act of incredible hubris. Traditionalist Catholics for all their own failings base their beliefs on this truth. The Church cannot change if it is truly inspired.

    As a young person myself, I reject your premise that young people are leaving the Church because it is outdated(ie. not allowing married priests). I have considered the priesthood, and am drawn not by some altruistic cause to serve others, but by the divine call to sanctity. Free from worldly desires, and separate from secular draws, the sacrifice inherent in the priesthood is a truly beautiful thing. This is but part of why young people such as myself desire the truth and unshakable teaching of the Church. If we were to become protestantized we would be rejecting Jesus’ own call. In closing, to believe that the church can die is in direct opposition to christ’s own words.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Oh, my, but you are very judgmental, Juan. Only God can judge.
    I know many wonderful Protestants why do you denigrate them?
    Please try to remember that God comes to different people in different ways and some of us are more liberal than others, but we are compassionate, kind and caring and from what is happening in my city, Catholic Churches are closing, six have closed in my city and two more may, also, close due to poor attendance.
    Why do you think that is happening? When my husband and I moved to this city 52 years ago all the R. C. Churches were full, as were the Protestant Churches full. Now, both Catholic and Protestant Churches have had to close.
    My Protestant friends see that their church needs to change and come into the 21st Century, especially the United Methodist Church, which is about to split between the Traditional and Progressive Churches.
    If you are happy as a Traditionalist, I support your choice and that is the type of church that is best suited for you, however, Juan, do not, I repeat, do not presume to tell me what is the correct path for me.
    I love the quote by the Dalai Lama, who when asked what was the “best” religion, answered that the “Best religion for you is the religion that makes you more kind, more compassionate, and less judgmental. That is the best religion for you.”
    There are Conservative Protestant Churches and there are both Conservative and Progressive Catholic Churches, I found a progressive church that does community outreach to the poor, which Jesus would have that church do, and it is following the dictates of the Holy Father, who urges us to be kinder, more compassionate and gentler in our dealings with people. NO, he does not think that the pedophiles should go Scott Free but he thinks that local, state and federal law enforcement are ones to prosecute the pedophiles, as they are breaking the law and need to be held accountable, arrested, tried in a court of law, and if found guilty serve prison time. Merely having the Vatican convict them of their crimes, still allows them to be on the streets, albeit, not as priests, bishops or cardinals! However. if they are guilty they must not only be defrocked, but pay for their crimes, if found guilty and go to prison.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Very well said. Long live Pope Francis, and man for the 21st century, perhaps now the Catholic Churches will once again find that the pews are not as empty.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    If I could give you 10,000 “up votes,” I would.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    No one is ‘persecuting’ you or anyone else. To disagree with you is not “persecution,” it is just that we live in the 21st century, not in the second century, where they thought that the Earth was flat, that seizures were caused by demons, that women were chattel and not whole, complete, thinking, intelligent human beings. Perhaps if Priests could marry, and not “inherit church property” as they did centuries ago, thus making priests remain celibate, as that was the real reason. Centuries ago priests could marry and should again, if they so choose.
    The Pope is tired, as are many who no longer attend church, of the constant labeling everyone and anyone who differs with the “old school” R. C. Church as “sinners,” as a woman who had an abortion because it was have the abortion or DIE, or berate and call LBGT people sinners when they were born to be LBGT!

  • Juan

    I think my comment just got censored by the right Hon. Eric Barr himself

  • Juan

    was it because I said let the church die if it can?

  • Juan

    Anyway, basically what I said was that you were judging both me and pedophiles, labels are meaningless for a unified church, and there can be no two truths, no two churches, no two religions. If you believe in Protestantism, maybe that’s were you belong.

  • PGMGN

    You’re not merely disagreeing but ascribing motives to others. False ones.

    Yeah, we live in the 21st century, not in the second. But human nature is still the same whether you agree or not. The Pope’s being tired is immaterial.

    But go ahead and fill you head with all manner of nonsense. That last line is a real hoot. As if people didn’t struggle with these same issues back in the day. Times change. People don’t.

    And neither does Our Lord.

  • PGMGN

    Then you obviously aren’t getting the gist of my post.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    10,00 “Up Votes,” Love God.”

  • Judgeforyourself37

    No, I am not the “Queen of England,” but how is she related to your non-argument?

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Oh, yes, the old “Enforcer” who was not kind, compassionate, but only judgmental. I am glad that we have Pope Francis, a man of courage and for this century.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Perhaps you should realize that there are “man roads to the top of the mountain.” Conservative Catholicism is for you, and a more Liberal Catholicism is for others.
    The same is true for Protestantism which, also, has their Conservatives and Liberals. People chose what is right for them, if you will read. If disagree with Pope Francis, perhaps a Far Right Wing Protestant Church is where you might find that you are happier.

  • Michael Eberl

    Apparently you have not been following this issue very clearly. It has been acknowledged by Vatican officials that the statute does not represent Our Blessed Mother, but Mother Earth. It makes a huge difference, and thus many of these comments condemning the prostration in front of the pagan statue on Vatican grounds as well as being placed in a Catholic Church in Rome.

  • PGMGN

    God bless you, whoever you are, but you’re not up to this discussion. But in future, you may not want to use the “royal” we when you address another in a personal debate. You don’t represent a country or a particular people much as you may want.

  • anna lisa

    That the Vatican had to come out and say anything had to do with hysteria. Does every depiction of *anything* Catholic need an official Vatican stamp of approval? –I’ve heard that the Cathedral in L.A. has a statue of Mary that looks androgynous. I recall seeing it years ago and felt put off–not my cup of tea–but do I think they are introducing some strange idol into the Church? Did I lose sleep over an inaccurate depiction? No. None whatsoever–that’s for people who have no imagination, prone to persecution complexes.

    Now, the symbol of Mary as Mother of the Amazon–I think that depicting her in a kind of Mother of all–including everything beautiful, made by the hand of God is fine. If that statue had European features–it would offend me as having racist overtones. The swollen belly, and body depicting a great fertility, is appropriate in a rough-hewn way. If it was for instance a wax figure, anatomically correct, and extremely life-like, it would make me uncomfortable due to the lack of modesty.

    As I stated before, I could pray to our Lady and particularly for her children in the rainforest, at an altar with that rough-hewn, “Our Lady of the Amazon”. It would move me far more than plaster-Barbie-Mary sporting a reference on a plaque that refers to her as “Our Lady of the Amazon.”

    Anyway, at the end of the day–the Pieta would still be my favorite.

    This subject is now very tiring, like a thoroughly beaten dead horse. The Trad chapter will be a funny footnote in the Catholic history book! I can see it now–“the so-called Pachamama hysteria” photo, next to a depiction of art and books being burned by that hysterical priest in Venice (Florence?) Fundamentalists are so boring. Zzzzzzzz

  • Juan

    Happiness has nothing to do with it. Christ never said, “There are many narrow roads that people make for themselves, and the wide road isn’t too bad either.” I do what I do for the love of Christ, or in the very least, that is where my ideals lie, not with petty “right or Left wings”. I disagree with many things the Pope has done, I disagree with what many Popes have done. This does not mean I disrespect or dishonor them, but seek, as I believe all people should, to follow the “way, the truth, and the life.”

    However, this is not my main issue in your statement. Liberal Catholicism does not exist, neither does Conservative Catholicism. A church based on the fullness of truth does not need “new” ideas posited by some half-brained crackpot.

  • Michael Eberl

    Apparently you missed the part where Pope Francis called it a pachamama statue? This statue is not a representation of Our Blessed Mother. Everyone seems to understand this except you. It represents fertility and mother earth.

  • anna lisa

    does that make you the winner?

  • Eric Barr

    Bullying?–what a snowflake! Strong writing is not bullying. Pull up your big boy pants and argue like an adult. So there!

  • Eric Barr

    But here’s the thing: mercy is unconditional. It is given whether it is accepted or not. It does not depend on repentance. What a person does with mercy given to him or her is another thing and another question.

  • Eric Barr

    O my gosh, Ted, what reality are you living in. The things you say have little relationship to Pope Francis and his ministry. Your imagination is running wild, and stop lumping all Jesuits into one big basket of your idiosyncrasies.

  • Eric Barr

    It has nothing to do with judging. Just a fact. You have to be in communion with the Pope to be Catholic.

  • Eric Barr

    Lots of mercy for her, but I cannot change the fact that Being Catholic and supporting the Pope go together.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    On that we agree, I did not get your “gist,” but to argue with you is akin to arguing to the kitchen table, thus, I shall say, “Good Bye and let us agree to disagree.”

  • Judgeforyourself37

    No, I do not represent a country, but I am allowed to have an opinion, even if you disagree with me. There are many who are relieved and happy that Pope Francis is leading some and dragging others into the 21st century.

  • It is that very novelty I question. Mercy is unconditionally offered, but is not forced on anybody- we still retain the free will to reject it, and many do. To an atheist, heaven is torture.

  • Every time I hear a novel defense of sin or a new heresy, it is a Jesuit behind it. That order is corrupt and full of abusers.

  • I just realized you are trying to gaslight me like any other clerical abuser. It is GRACE that is freely given. MERCY must be asked for in the Sacrament of Confession in a spirit of repentance.

  • Michael Eberl

    Winner of what exactly? I am simply clarifying the truth. Were you aware that a prayer to pachamama was included in a Catholic brochure handed out prior to the Synod? How does one explain that?

  • PGMGN

    Yes, and you’re expressing your “opinion” all over the place. But at the same time you’re asserting that your “opinion” is the truth about how others feel and are. That’s the iffy part.

    FYI: Francis seems to be dragging people back to the dark ages and/or prehistory. But if that floats your boat, go for it.

  • PGMGN

    You have to bring an argument, not a baseless opinion otherwise you’re not prepared, Judge. Bye.

  • PGMGN

    Lots of mercy for you as supporting the Pope doesn’t equate to enabling poor performance. You would have supported the pope and the papacy by acknowledging the public scandal Francis is creating.

    But sadly you passed on an opportunity of outreach to a justifiably scandalized soul and opted for a blame-the-victim approach. That last bit is SO stale.

  • PGMGN

    Would that you were consist in your embracing of facts.

    Your article here does nothing but foment further scandal as it attempts to blame the victims of Francis’s failed pontificate. The man needs help, prayers, and a serious sit-down if only for the good of his own soul.

    I’d sure like your view on CCC 675. What you seem to propose is that to be a faithful Catholic one must apostasize from the truth in order to stay with the pope. (Again, that’ s not helping him, but joining a gang.) Do you advise women in difficult marriages to back up their husband’s child abuse for the sake of their marriages?

  • PGMGN

    Yes, you are behaving like a snowflake.

    You “say” that you’re taken aback by the strong reaction you’ve received from this article you’ve written and then feint to classify yourself as capable of ‘strong” writing.

    Be the change you want to see. If you’d like to see others engage like adults, set an example. Behaving like a child lobbing insults instead of sound arguments–not empty jargon–would be a great starting point.

  • PGMGN

    My gosh, Eric, you’re once again doing the feint and parry instead of acknowledging your own lack when it comes to facts. The things you’ve said about others have little to do with actual Catholics, but the strawman you’re desperate to create.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    If the the R. C. Church, as well as ALL churches, Greek or Russian Orthodox, Protestant, Jewish Synagogues, and Temples do not come kicking and screaming into this century they will surely perish.

  • If you are so blind that you haven’t seen couples using Amoris Laetitia as an excuse to get divorced, well, then I have to think you are being willfully unmerciful to children.

  • Unconditional mercy is always abusive.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Perhaps I did not “get your drift,” but if Pope Francis awakens tepid Catholics so that the love what he says and start believing, and attending Mass, can that be wrong.

  • Kevin Hunter

    It appears that this vicar doesn’t merely protect pedophiles, he parties with them.

  • Kevin Hunter

    We need this pope in much the same way as we need heretics to keep us on our toes and heresy to keep our minds “open”.
    This is a pitiful false apologia for a tyrannical patriarch who clearly wants to take the Church from Christ (who he doesn’t believe in) and hand it over to satan and pagan idols.
    As a Catholic seeing this screed is good becaause it is important to “keep your enemies closer” but I don’t have to listen to them.

  • Kevin Hunter

    It appears that this vicar doesn’t protect pedophiles… he parties with them.

  • anna lisa

    Ah look, another self appointed armchair theologian that knows better than the Vicar of Christ.

  • Kevin Hunter

    Respecting the office and not the man.
    Different things.
    Supporting the man in sin is respecting neither.

  • Kevin Hunter

    Ah look, another misguided soul preferring heresy to Christ.
    And another “anonymous” troll who is too embarassed by her (or his) previous postings to let anyone see them.

  • PGMGN

    Tepid Catholics are waking up because they don’t like what he ways. And a great many are falling away and becoming increasingly disenchanted because of his pandering.

  • Eric Barr

    You must be joking. Unconditional mercy is what the cross is all about. Your statement is ridiculous and offensive.

  • Doctor Phogg

    Nobody needs an old relic still joined at the hip to the pedophiles which brought down the status of the church.

    How about remove Francis and bring in a Face that was never part and parcel of that instead.

    No, Roman Catholicism doesn’t need to hang onto that.

  • Aeffesstoo

    This pope has convinced me look into the Orthodox church.

  • Doug Sterling

    This leftist Pope may lead the Catholic church to destruction.

  • imokyrok

    This Pope is popular everywhere except amongst American conservatives. American conservatives are renowned worldwide for cruelty and anti intellectualism. That is the reason they struggle with a kind Pope.

  • imokyrok

    You have the wrong cause and effect there. People fell away from Catholicism because of it’s cruelty and abuse of children. And because a highly educated society is a kinder society that moves beyond mindless authoritarian edicts.

  • imokyrok

    The previous Pope emptied the pews by his callous indifference to child abuse. This one has at least soffened some of the rage experienced by communities who felt betrayed.

  • bc3b

    If being petty, political, ruthless, devious and ambiguous makes one Christlike, Francis is definutely Christlike.

  • bc3b

    The recent Vicars of Christ haven’t tried to transform the Church into a left-wing NGO. When Francis delves into politics, the white cassock and beanie come off.

  • bc3b

    Who removed the sanctions on McCarrick and made him his trusted adviser and the power broker in the US Church?

  • imokyrok

    Well there’s a disappointment. And there was I rooting for you thinking that you were championing decent virtues like mercy and equality and all the time you support a psychopathic supremacist. One just cant find real kindness in religion anymore.

  • imokyrok

    No he is filling your courts with primitive judges who are anti women, anti lgbt and pro billionaire.

  • bc3b

    Francis is exactly what St. Pius X warned us about 100 years ago.

  • Patches O’Houlihan

    Reverend Barr, this Pope and his Amen corner of clerics like you are why I am now Orthodox after nearly two decades of the Catholic faith.

  • bc3b

    When the monsignor was a young priest, leftist pastors were tearing alters out of centuries old churches to replace them with nothingness.

  • PGMGN

    Our Lord’s sacrifice on the cross is about “unwarranted” mercy–not unconditional.

    Your statements here have been nothing but offensive and ridiculous. Eric. But I’m wondering where your “big boy pants” are. You obviously have trouble with robust, adult dialogue which is another reason why you may want to leave off penning pieces that result in your becoming so upset.

    Discern the spirits. The beginning, middle, and end of a thing should be good.

  • PGMGN

    The individual known as Eric Barr seems to playing the priest. I greatly doubt whether he is actually who he purports to be. His columns are bad enough, but the bloviating combox bluster is really telling.

  • PGMGN

    It seems many are suffering from co-dependency. Like the family members of alcoholics/abusers.

  • PGMGN

    I thought you were taking your kiddos to the zoo. Too bad you didn’t.

    The truth always outs, though. And Francis is being called out by the way he openly contradicts the Deposit of the Faith. The ones you’re railing at are merely observing the reality–like the sun rising.

  • PGMGN

    Some are also highly medicated and aided in their slumber by a co-dependent clergy who are too afraid to look at reality. Like an emotionally abused wife without any backbone left to call out error. It’s so sad.

  • PGMGN

    Absolutely. We get the leadership we deserve. And Catholics–for far too long–have been sleeping in the Garden while Our Lord sweats blood.

  • anna lisa

    Oh. My Gosh.

    Paranoid!
    We just got back. It was glorious, but your attitude is not. 🙁 Wow!

  • Eric Barr

    Actually, I’m not upset, just bemused. And I thank you for that mood, otherwise I could not use such a great word. Sorry I’ve been tweaking you, but you are difficult to take seriously. I’m sure the pope could use a better defender than me, but I’m absolutely convinced he could use a better critic than you. I’ve strung you along in these comments because I wanted to see if there was any depth in this criticism. There is not. Go to confession for calumny against the Holy Father. You can’t stay Catholic with this attitude. Feel free to waste another broadside against me, but it will be a waste of your time. I won’t be responding. Hope you find some peace, and receive more mercy than you are willing to grant the Holy Father.

  • Eric Barr

    God bless you in your new journey.

  • Eric Barr

    Calumny.

  • James Brady

    Wow! A spittle flecked nutty! In your screed about mercy who are you to judge the hearts of these men? Especially after the blasphemous idolatry the pope actively participated in. Are you going after Fr. Mitch Pacwa too? Francis is the pinnacle of the Vatican II destruction of the Catholic Church. You’re defending the indefensible.

  • Not at all: for instance, unconditional mercy given to now-Mr. Theodore McCarrick directly caused several rapes of seminarians.
    Repentance is necessary else mercy just becomes the license to destroy justice. Are you claiming the passion of Christ destroyed justice rather than fulfilling it?

  • teigitur

    Respect has to be earned,it is not automatic. Even for the Holy Father.

  • PGMGN

    Eric, I am Catholic.

    Your article and comments here do not bespeak bemusement. They reveal agitation, intentional stonewalling, the judgemental attitude you summarily decry as unjust, actual calumny, and clericalism. Far from being “adult,” your choice of terms is far beneath the dignity of your station. Much like the shallow jabs you take at others you falsely perceive as a threat. (The idea is to defend the Faith, not just the person of the pope.)

    This pope needs defenders who care about his soul, not merely supporters and spin masters for whatever nonsense flows from his mouth. He’s scandalizing the faithful and non-Catholics. He’s advertising a new church that Christ did not establish, and sadly, much like you, seems to be misusing his position to harangue and silence anyone who would call him to speak truthfully.

    As for confession, it is no calumny to discuss what has been made manifestly public by the Holy Father himself. His actions are public as is his refusal to clarify his position. There is no calumny in noticing that an individual is in a drunken stupor and should not be allowed behind the wheel of a car. That, Eric, is charity. True charity, not a cover-up that puts others at risk.

  • PGMGN

    I’m so glad your trip was “glorious.”

    Maybe you could soak up some more of that stellar Bay Area weather today and avoid the clouds and rain that upset your mood ;^)

  • PGMGN

    …and if you’re truly of the belief that what some are posting here constitutes “calumny” then you should look at your part in the sin.

    You are provoking the supposed calumny, Eric. (Much like you are provoking division and the false notion that being Catholic requires blindness while we all march toward the pit.)

    One does not bait another and then claim innocence. That too is beneath a priest who, despite personal issues, should know better.

  • PGMGN

    Hypocrite. Your entire article is nothing but calumny–baseless. Would that the justifiable concern over the Holy Father’s actions/inaction were baseless.

  • PGMGN

    And I thank God for His providence in revealing Judas priests who are gleeful at scattering the flock.

  • Buz Snyder

    your response is based solely on the hysteria of left wing propaganda.

  • PGMGN

    It can also be lost. That’s why the sin of scandal is very real.

  • Timothy J. Williams

    Exactly. His attitude is quite revealing.

  • anna lisa

    No, you are committing the grave offense of calumny. It’s a serious sin.

  • anna lisa
  • PGMGN

    Well it’s a good thing we’re neither of us schismatics. And, yes, sanity is a good thing. That’s why I try avoiding cognitive dissonance.

    That said, it’s critical to know the Faith if you’re going to attempt evangelizing others.

    How’s the weather in SF today??

  • anna lisa

    The weather is simply divine, but they are threatening to turn electricity off. It seems like Southern CA is now northern Mexico and Northern CA is Southern Ca. –can’t beat the weather–unless there is a fire, and now fall is fire season until it finally rains.

    My daughter in NY says her hair froze on the way to the bus stop. Terrifying for a girl that grew up here…

  • Michael Eberl

    This coming from a person who thinks violations of the 1st Commandment are apparently not serious. That Franciscan caused outright scandal. Am I also guilty of calumny for stating the Superior General of the Jesuits, Fr Sosa has caused great scandal by denying the existence of Satan? One cannot be guilty of such when actually stating a truth.

  • Kyllein MacKellerann “

    The problem is that Francis is a practicing Christian, not a Saulist. That tends to make the majority Saulist-Catholic management unhappy, since they see their own power diminishing as the Pope lives a Christian, non-condemning life.
    The Cardinals who expected things to go on as usual, keeping their areas of control protected and secure are of course frightened, and frightened people act out in hostile and ill-mannered ways. Eventually they must either conform or split the church… And note, Francis is not retaliating or pushing back against them. Whatever the final outcome is, the Catholic Church will grow from it and become less medieval and more current with the needs of today.
    And this is the good thing, really, it’s the only thing that matters.

  • Juan

    No true Church, inspired by the divine and given the assurance of heaven, will ever die. All others will perish in the fires of time, and this century will pass along with the others. If the Catholic Church can die, it was never true, and therefore I say, if the Catholic Church can die, let it

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Thanks to Pope Francis the Catholic Church will stay around for at least as many years as he is pope. Long live the pontiff. Pope Jon the XXIII started the ball rolling, but it was stopped by popes after John XXIII, and now the ball is rolling again. This pope, Pope Francis is the long awaited answer for a church that was dying on the vine. He is breathing new life into the R. C. Church. He has purchased new wine skins for the wine, as the old wine skins had sprung too many leaks.

  • Juan

    I’m assuming you haven’t read any of my posts as you have answered effectively 0 of my questions. If you believe the Pope is the one who is the source of life in the church, you have submitted to idolatry, even Pope St Gregory the Great only served as a channel of God’s mercy, love, and life for the Church.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    I wish more people were able to see that Pope Francis has been needed for so many, many years. Now the church has a man who really cares about his flock, loves people, is humble and will not live in opulence, but in a small apartment, and drives a fuel efficient. small car. He is a man of the people, and one to whom most caring, compassionate people have been awaiting. Long live Pope Francis.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    He did not speak of candidates, but he spoke of issues, which is his duty.

  • anna lisa

    Who said anything about Fr. Sosa? Now you accused me of grave violations against the first commandment. These statements are serious. I’m reminded of a dear friend who makes such pronouncements with regular frequency. Thirty years ago, his statements simply frightened me. My older children laughed at me because it hadn’t occurred to me that he is on the Autism spectrum. It was a huge relief to me when I realized that his sins of calumny had to do with a kind of legalism that literally tortures him, and so those sins were just venial.

  • Brock R. Henderson

    Msgr. Barr, can you give your readers concrete evidence to support your argument that “Rad Trads” believe in Jansenism?

  • Michael Eberl

    I mentioned Fr Sosa in another comment on this article. His denial of Satan is no less scandalous than the Franciscan prostrating himself in front of an idol representing mother earth. To state so is not calumny, but literal truth. You appear to suggest what he did was not a serious issue at all. This statue represents pachamama, not Mary, Our Blessed Mother. His act is no different than your Wiccan friend worshiping Mother Earth as well. Both are baptized Catholics who have be taught the faith. May I suggest you should spend more effort leading your Wiccan friend back to her Catholic faith before it is too late, instead of worrying about me.
    “Have you seen those little old ladies that crawl up the stairs to the shrine of O.L. of Guadalupe in Mexico City? It’s appalling. God
    doesn’t need their bloody knees. Our Catholicism here forbids such things for both rational and puritanical reasons.” By your own standards, one could suggest you are committing the grave sin of calumny against those little old ladies as well.

  • Kevin Hunter

    Scandal.
    Heresy.

  • Kevin Hunter

    Homosectuality.

  • Poterion

    The current is pope is a menace to the faith, the faithful and to the Church. He is the Vicar of Christ in the model of St. Peter; confused, incorrect, muddled, sinking and denying. He sure is the successor of Peter.

  • Brock R. Henderson

    I just asked him if he can provide his readers with concrete evidence that Rad Trads believe in the heresy of Jansenism. Think he will answer?

  • PGMGN

    He may answer with some nonsense that you must go to confession for calumny–a sin he seems oblivious to when it comes to his own demonstrable smearing of others. Or perhaps some mention of “big boy” pants.

    It’s sad.

    Meanwhile, the attempt to build the wicker man “Rad Trad”–that is only a figment–will continue. Whatever it takes to avoid acknowledging the infiltration of a neurotic ultramonotonism.

  • PGMGN

    He cannot supply any concrete support of the slander “Rad Trad.”

  • Brock R. Henderson

    Oh, I don’t mind that one. I absolutely am a Traditionalist and I am also radical. But I am betting dollars to dust that he can’t prove that his opponents are Jansenists.

  • PGMGN

    It’s not a matter of minding the name–it’s a matter of giving the man license to smear others unjustly. And for all the glamor of the term, it’s being used incorrectly. That’s a problem.

  • Paul Vinci

    And I am saddened by the constant disrespect that Burke et al have shown towards the Holy father

    This article wasn’t mockery …it was an observation ..

    I saw none of the vicious name calling you stated … may be we were reading different articles

    I don’t see see these cardinals as hero’s at all .. I think they they have shown a great disrespect for the office of the papacy and their criticisms of PF have helped fuel a great lay polemic against him

    Its very sad that many lay catholic’s feel emboldened to lay criticism of PF on the back of the very public criticisms by these cardinals

  • Paul Vinci

    The McCarrick Fiasco is far more conclusive

    there are serious holes in his story ..

    You should be more prudent in where you source you information

  • Paul Vinci

    Respecting both .. The office is not anything without the person in it

    You are sinner too … so does that mean you don’t deserve respect

    What on earth are you even thinking .????? …or maybe you aren’t

  • Paul Vinci

    Hi Anna .. This is a great article by Dave Armstrong .. he has a few other too

    He refutes the idol worshipping scenario too .. I think you will find his essays very deifying

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2019/11/pachamama-statues-marian-veneration-or-blasphemous-idolatry.html

  • Paul Vinci
  • Paul Vinci

    In order for something to be idol worship , there must be intent to do so

    Without intent to worship a false god there is no idol worship . Its as simple as that

  • Paul Vinci

    Its called “intent”

    Catholics do not worship Mary anyway so Its not idol worship if there is no intent .. Its very basic theology

    protestants do the very same thing when they see pictures of catholic’s kneeling in images front of Mary praying a Rosary .. They call it idol worship

    You are simply repeating a protestant error my friend

    Without intent there cannot be idol worship , Even if those people are mistaken about the origins of the statue , it still wouldn’t constitute idol worship

    Intent , intent, intent , intent …that is the key word

  • Kevin Hunter

    The man is a heretic and scandal monger.
    The office is the office and you have pointed out that the office is nothing if the person in it is a charlatan.
    All of us are sinners and all of us are loved by God but do you actually believe that this man is above criticism and worthy of the office he holds?

  • Kevin Hunter

    Ever since V2 and the transformation of the liturgy to the NO the Church has been in decline. The only area that it is growing is in those Parishes that are using the Latin Mass. V2 and the NO were designed to destroy the universality, beauty and experience of the Love of God that the Church provided. It hasdone that as the largest Christian denomination in the USA is ex-Catholics.
    Today we are two generations into the undermining of the Chrch and yet we are seeing a new resurgence wherever the Latin Mass in held.

  • anna lisa

    Thank you Paul!

  • PGMGN

    This resurgence is aided by the stark picture painted by this pontificate. Scary often wakes people up.

  • PGMGN

    This article is an attempt to create a straw man.

    “Rad Trad Heresy” is a fabrication as is the supposed disrespect from Burke et al. Asking legitimate questions is not disrespectful. It’s asking for needed clarity.

    Sadly, it’s the one who speaks loosely without clarifying himself that shows disrespect for the office–and a disregard for the flock.

  • PGMGN

    If the idol Pachamama wasn’t worshiped, you may have a point.

    But it was worshiped.

    If not, what was the intent, intent, intent in bowing to this icon of the Mother Earth? And making offerings to it?

  • PGMGN

    You’re simply closing your eyes to the reality that worship was rendered.

  • PGMGN

    Maybe you could move past “Patheos” to quote an unbiased source that doesn’t use itself to verify statements.

  • PGMGN

    “Deifying” means to make a god of.

    That’s what occurred when individuals prostrated and prayed before the Pachamama idol–not asking for intercession with God, but to the object and what it represented. Mother Earth.

  • PGMGN

    We deserve to be corrected by our loving brothers when we sin–Francis deserves the same. Not to be told that sin isn’t sin because he is who he is.

  • anna lisa

    I just finished the article, and was very grateful to find it very sane, with common sense reasoning.

    I was surprised to see that Jimmy Akin lives in Ecuador! I wish I knew why he lives there. It might help me to understand why he is so worried. My husband spent many formative years there, and I learned Spanish there at the Universidad Catolica. The months I spent there were some of the most incredible, and educational months of my life.

    My husband’s journey from a hybrid Catholic-Agnostic-atheist South American household (who was providentially cared for spiritually by the Protestants at the Alliance Academy) has been very helpful in our understanding of this debate.

  • Money Laundering Mass Goer

    I didn’t know Francis was the Pope I needed. The way he behaves, I wouldn’t even think he was the Pope.

  • lynnelmiller

    Shame on you! There has been more action to find and remove pedophiles during Francis’s papacy than in either of the previous two.

  • lynnelmiller

    I’m afraid you are misinformed. More pedophiles have been sought out and removed during this papacy than in either of the two previous.

  • lynnelmiller

    So, you’re a traditionalist?

  • lynnelmiller

    Thank you! After reading the earlier posts I was afraid I would have to unsubscribe from this site.

  • lynnelmiller

    Thank you!

  • lynnelmiller

    No one is above criticism, but we are called to support the Pope, and not try to tear him down. This Pope has done many good things for the church, setting it in a direction that is more Christ-like and open to the humanity of his flock.

  • lynnelmiller

    It’s enlightening that the “pro Francis” people don’t engage in slander and defamation as the “anti-Francis” contingent seems to love to do.

  • lynnelmiller

    Brava!

  • lynnelmiller

    Why bother explaining it. The questioner is not interested in an answer.

  • lynnelmiller

    Another question which doesn’t really want an answer.

  • St JD George

    I’m confused by the rupture of continuity and where the hatred for those who love the Church’s centuries of traditions comes from.

  • Mary Stuart
  • Mary Stuart

    Francis record is horrendous he has surrounded himself with pedophiles degenerates, it’s a fact. Anyone who disputes this is a blatant liar. The court documents in Argentina confirm this.
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/source-pope-blocked-investigation-of-abuse-allegations-against-cardinal-who

  • Mary Stuart

    Francis has defended too many degenerates, using mercy as an excuse. He openly attacked victims, called them liars
    https://www.scmp.com/news/world/americas/article/2129606/pope-francis-defends-chilean-bishop-accused-covering-sexual

  • Michael Eberl

    Do you think Jesus would address a practicing Satanist as “Maybe he’d draw in the sand for a while and then look up at the angry
    crowd with a penetrating glance, slowly saying: “Let he(she) who has
    never practiced Satanism, throw the first stone.”?

  • Kevin Hunter

    You are either not a Catholic, not a Christian, and are uneducated in Cathoilc teachings.

  • Kevin Hunter

    Frankie has been needed by those whose goal it is to tear down the Church.

  • Kevin Hunter

    Yep.
    A world without God.
    Very scary picture.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    You are welcome. I doubt that we are alone in the praise of Pope Francis, others may just not be brave enough to support his papacy. I know of very few Catholics who follow, to the letter, the dictates of the R. C. Church.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    I agree, Lynnelmiller!

  • Judgeforyourself37

    No, son, I am not Lynne, but I disagree with you, also. Pope Francis is living and basing his papacy on the 21st century, not the 16th century. May he have a long and healthy papacy.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Divorce is not a sin if the marriage is abusive. Do you want women to die?
    Homosexuality is inborn, as proven by psychiatrists, psychologists and sociologists back in 1976.
    Abortion is usually to save the life of the mother. Do you want her to die, leaving her child without its mother?

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Yes, the gate is open so that more people will walk or maybe even run in, as now it is a church that people can accept and believe without “crossing their fingers.”

  • Paul Vinci

    Who are you to correct the Pope on anything .

    Pride comes before the fall brother

  • Paul Vinci

    Until the pope is declared a heretic formally by the church you have absolutely no right to call him a heretic

    He certainly should be held in much higher esteem by you and others until such things are determined

    People like you are doing a great disservice to the catholic faith .. You are tearing the church apart with your quasi magisterial professions of heresy

    Pull your head in brother , and get off your little insignificant perch

  • Kevin Hunter

    “No, son”??
    Where does that uncalled for condescension come from other than a sense of inferiority?
    Teh Pope should be a man of Christ and not a heretical rebel who makes scandalous statements and commits heretical acts and responds to criticism of them with ambiguity and silence.
    If by “21st century” you mean soulless, mercenary and utterly secular then I agree with your assessment, ignorant as it is.

  • anna lisa

    🙂

  • PGMGN

    You certainly fall short of your namesake who rebuked St. Peter to his face.

    But while you’re keying on the laws of man, you may want to review scripture.

    We are our brother’s keeper, Paul.

  • PGMGN

    You’ve set up a lovely Catch-22, Paul.

    But pride does go before the fall. That’s why this prideful push to make Francis’s pontificate more Catholic than what has come before is pure disaster.

    Sadly, you miss the reality that respect can be lost. Our Holy Father seems to be doing the greatest disservice to himself.

    Pull your head in brother and review the life/times of your namesake and the stern stuff of which he was made.

  • PGMGN

    Don’t kid yourself. That’s a real question considering some people are confused to the degree of believing the Pope can usher in idolatry without a blink.

  • PGMGN

    True enough.

  • PGMGN

    That’s thanks to governments exposing the rot despite ongoing Vatican coverup–including Our Holy Father ignoring the problem and foisting predators on the faithful.

    One can hardly make a claim to holiness when he was strong-armed and cornered to do something if only to save face.

    You seem to be lacking context.

  • PGMGN

    Because governments have acted to expose the rot that Francis continued to cover up and/or unleash like McCarrick.

  • PGMGN

    Praise for what? What positions do you praise?

  • PGMGN

    For what?

  • PGMGN

    What good things? Please, name them. Be clear and precise.

    As to support, we support the pope when we steer clear of ambiguity and heresy. His speaking out both sides of his mouth–on purpose–is causing undue upheaval as evidence right here on this thread.

    Please, I’d really like to hear exactly how you believe Francis is more Christ-like and open to humanity. Our Lord was clear about adultery. He spoke of damnation, too. And he submitted to the death penalty.

    So I have no clue where you’re getting your comparison to Christ unless it is some figment. Our Lord is merciful, but TRUTHFUL. Always.

  • PGMGN

    You also seem to believe that there’s some need to usher in a new Church that is not that which was handed down. By your own words–Francis is basing his papacy on the 21st century–you call him out as a problem.

    For it’s not the 16th century teachings he’s dismissing–but those of Christ’s time. Those of Christ.

  • Paul Vinci

    No my friend .. neither you nor anyone else has been able to prove a solitary heresy against him ,, therefore by extension you have absolutely no recourse to say the things you do about him

    Yes he is a sinner but is not some common Joe next door .. He hold the highest office in the church and he must be respected because of that

    Take the great log out of your own eye before you remove the splinter from his

  • lynnelmiller

    Our Lord spoke to and ate with criminal, prostitutes, tax collectors (who were like criminals in that time) and did not condemn them. He spoke kindly to them and offered them a path – they were free to accept or not, and many (but we must suppose not all, though those who didn’t aren’t mentioned) chose to follow. He was a warm, inviting person, and spoke against those who put tradition and trappings over love for the people. Pope Francis displays this quality, always.

  • lynnelmiller

    Agreed, JFY! My parish, as many others, has more grey heads than tow heads, but we are blessed in our priests, and in the Jesuit faculty who fill in when needed. We have an active youth group, and our children’s programs are thriving. If the priest is a person among the people, is approachable and caring, all ages will flock to the church.

  • lynnelmiller

    Wrong X 3.

  • lynnelmiller

    Thank you! Not all Popes historically have been admirable people, but we are to believe that they are elected according to the influence of the Holy Spirit. Pope Francis is doing just fine. There are those who are jealous that they are not doing as well.

  • lynnelmiller

    Excellent response!

  • lynnelmiller

    Perhaps if you read them slowly, and without prejudice, they might be less confusing to you.

  • lynnelmiller

    People did struggle with these issues. People were killed for being homosexual, which wasn’t their choice, but how they were made by God. Therefore, people didn’t talk about it, which leads some to think there was no struggle about it. Start killing people and they’ll shut up about all kinds of things. I’m sure you don’t object to democracy and the freedoms granted us by the Constitution – the founders were bringing the culture up to date, as are followers of Pope Francis, which, as Catholics, we are all called to be. Human nature may not change, but humans can choose to be more charitable and compassionate to the needs of others.

  • lynnelmiller

    Do you not think that abuse is a reason to consider divorce?

  • lynnelmiller

    Consider why so many do not take issue with the Holy Father, but are grateful for him.

  • lynnelmiller

    Judgeforyourself does, however, speak in agreement with other posters here.

  • lynnelmiller

    My parish is doing well, thank God. We are blessed with a (very old) priest and a brand new deacon, and support from the Jesuit faculty when needed. We are very fortunate!

  • lynnelmiller

    Benedict IX? In 1032 AD?

  • lynnelmiller

    How on earth did you get that idea?

  • lynnelmiller

    Are you at all aware of how pompous you sound?

  • PGMGN

    You have no basis for argument, so I’ll accept your words in the spirit they’re given.

  • PGMGN

    The poster known as “judgeforyourself” is a promoter of a modernized church that does away with the truth in lieu of what’s popularly accepted today. He/she is, if one follows the tenor of the posts and the lack of facts, unconcerned with the teachings of the Church or Christ.

    Times change, but human nature doesn’t, Lynne.

    If you’re willing to fall for empty positions of JFY, then you may just fall for anything.

  • PGMGN

    Consider that I am grateful for him as his blatant departure from Catholic teaching is waking people up. So that they will learn the faith and oppose him.

    Our Lord gives us the leadership we deserve. Catholics have been less than faithful, Lynne, and have reaped the fruits of their tepidity. Pompous as that may sound.

  • I think divorce ALWAYS makes an abusive situation objectively worse. I am, however, for the involuntary committal of a violent spouse on the testimony of an abused spouse or children, when accompanied by a medical exam for physical wounds created by the violence. What I am not for is throwing people with mental illnesses away. The vow is to join together for better or worse, for richer or poorer, till death do you part. Not until you get fed up with each other and want to use the court system to harm your spouse and children.

  • PGMGN

    Francis is no arbiter of true charity when he withholds the truth and pretends that he can deliver something he cannot. Sins are still sins. We all must carry our cross and beg God’s grace to get up when we fall. Not pretend that falling doesn’t exist.

    Should we be charitable toward one another? You bet. No need to bring the constitution into it. (Although that may be a giveaway here as you seem to relate God’s laws to the level of the constitution.)

    False advertisement is not compassion, Lynne, it’s an attempt to gain allies who will back a person up until–oops–sorry. Can’t deliver. If Francis were truly this man of miracles–changing reality wherein sin is no longer sinful–maybe he’d meet with the imams in the Middle East and tell them to stop solving their LGTBQ issue by tossing people off roofs. (Catholics aren’t doing that, but pretending that we’re the problem while ignoring the real problem makes for a great show. Ala Evita Perone.)

  • PGMGN

    Perhaps if you’d stop ascribing prejudice to others, you’d be able to see that your argumentation here amounts to backing Francis in a shift away from the teachings of Our Lord.

    That’s the confusion, Lynne. The divisions being fomented between individuals not in the individual themselves.

    Again, follow your own advice.

  • I swear that a lot of Catholics seem to have amnesia when it comes to this papacy, sometimes voluntary amnesia.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/20/catholics-dont-have-to-breed-like-rabbits-says-pope-Francis

    was the first hint, but more recently, Laudato Si came out, giving credence to the overpopulation myth and the proponents of eugenically based population control. I’ve even had Atheists bring up the rabbit comment with me, in support of abortion and in opposition to church teaching on contraception.

  • PGMGN

    I’m not attempting to prove a solitary heresy against Francis. I’m taking his words and actions seriously and weighing them in context.

    He holds the highest office and as such has the greatest burden. That is true. But I have a burden, too, and a treasure to protect. My soul and the souls of my children, spouse, and all those who fall under my purview.

    Our Lord warns us of blind guides. The Church herself speaks of apostasy from the truth in CCC 675. We are bid in scripture to read the signs of the times and be careful lest we and those blind guides fall into the pit.

    As for respect, I do respect Francis in that I acknowledge that he is not a fool. He is educated, practiced, and well aware of his actions. I’m concerned for the man and concerned that his actions are causing grave scandal. No doubt Peter’s denial of Christ caused great scandal, too. But that doesn’t mean that St. John was wrong in standing at the foot of the cross instead of hiding out for fear of the Jews.

    But take whatever position you please.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Not condescension, Son, unless you are in your mid-80s. If you are over 88, then I do apologize.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    I love the song, sung to the tune of Onward Christian Soldiers. It is as follows: “Like a mighty tortoise moves the Church of God. Brothers we are treading where we’ve always trod. Some lack love, some lack hope, and all lack charity.” This song has several stanzas, but ends up with “With the Cross of Jesus Hiden Behind the Door.”

  • Judgeforyourself37

    OK, OK, Kev, we get your drift. You hate the Pope. So, stop attending church, you shall not be missed.
    Most of us, who live in this century, this nation, in some Northern European Nations, love him, respect him and pray that he will have a long and healthy Papacy.
    Are you a member of the “Flat Earth Society?” It certainly appears that perhaps you do.
    Please, we know your feeling, so now you can just keep those feelings to yourself, and rant and rave to your heart’s content, but most of us are sick of listening to you.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    His caring attitude.
    His ability to be accepting, as Jesus would.
    His sense of humor.
    The fact that he drives, and drives a gas efficient auto, not being driven by others in that gas guzzling Pope-Mobile.
    He dwells in a small apartment, not the opulent Vatican.
    He walks about and talks to people. He knows them personally and cares about what they think and he is respected by most people. If you do not respect him, that is your choice but the church that you seem to want was fading into oblivion, as only gray haired old folks are in the pews.
    Every church from Catholic to Protestant are facing oblivion unless they come kicking and screaming into the 21st Century!
    He truly is a man of the people and he is loved, not castigated. Those who castigate him, are those who wish to have things as they always were. That is not happening.
    He has awakened our younger people and they are listening to him.
    If you want the church to die off in 15 or 20 years, then Pope Francis is not the Pope for you.
    If you want the church to continue on and be relevant, then support this wonderful Pope.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    I could not agree any more, lynnelmiller. finally we have a pope who truly cares about people than the “office.” It is people who make up the church, without people there is no church.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    OK, so explain to me why we no longer think that the Earth is Flat? in Christ’s time that was the theory, in fact Galileo was excommunicated for his knowledge that the Earth was indeed a globe and the Earth revolved around the Sun, rather than what the “Church” taught. The Church just fairly recently removed that excommunication.
    In Christ’s time, seizures were thought to have been caused by “Demons.” Now we know that they are caused by a misfiring of synapses in the brain.
    In Christ’s time women were chattel and owned first by their fathers and then, if married they were owned by their husbands.
    Now, although not permitted to be priests, women are equal to men.
    These, PGMGN, are just a few of the changes that have occurred since Christ’s time or even the 16th Century.
    Please, son, (OK I gather that you are younger than I) try to keep up and accept that Pope Francis is a Pope whose time has come to be the leader of the Church, a church that will now survive into the next century and the century after and the one after that.

  • Name one good thing for the Church Pope Francis has done.

    ACTUAL good thing, not destroying morality for the sake of some identity politics group.

  • “and did not condemn them.”

    Incorrect. Our Lord asked them to convert.

  • And how many had that problem prior to Vatican II?

  • Judgeforyourself37

    “Franke?” OK, Kev, we all can see that you have no respect for the Pope, but please get over yourself and show, at least a smidgen of respect.

  • PGMGN

    You gather much that isn’t there, “son.” Like the Church “needing” Francis to keep her in existence.

    The Lord God keeps “His” Church in existence during all manner of trials–and this pontificate is one of those.

    As for the earth being flat, that’s not the same as disordered sexuality being disordered. Goodness knows certain parts aren’t intended to go certain places. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that–especially when the rank disease and deterioration of the body bears evidence to the disconnect.

    Galileo wasn’t excommunicated for his assertions either, but rather his unwillingness to vet and bide his time until certain proofs could be had. But rush ahead and judge incorrectly that which you’ve been led to misunderstand. It suits the narrative of change agents who would remove all logic and reasoning and prudence from your scope of reference.

    Your confusion about equality is similarly misguided. Women aren’t men. Men aren’t women. The Catholic Church is she who raised the dignity of women from the position of “chattel.” I can’t say for certain, but your understanding of Medieval life is likely skewed to a shallow exercise in fear mongering.

    Get a history book and attempt to read for understanding, “son,” if you can. (Owned by their husbands? Good grief. What we have now is people being “owned” by the government as the fear of patriarchy has women lobotomizing themselves to neurotically embrace a bigger demon than the one manufactured by folks such as yourself.)

    It would seem your ability to logically assess material has become overly clouded by your perception of age automatically equaling wisdom. It surely does not in your case. That’s assuming that you are of an advance age.

    But the Church is not an NGO or a government. That’s your mistake.

  • PGMGN

    So you like his PR campaign. Check.

    The hires and fires Francis makes bespeak a lack of charity and clarity as he marginalizes one group for the sake of the cameras.

    Forget Pachamama, you seem intent on worshiping Francis as if the Church were his do with as he’d like. The truth is always relevant for those with ears to hear. But that’s not what you want. The lie, apparently, serves you better, “son.”

    And if you are of an older generation, then fie and for shame. You “should” know better.

  • Love God :)

    Where did you receive that information? I think we should call Pope Francis and ask him if he actually did that which you claim he did. I think he would be horrified with that

  • Love God :)

    an alternative is wherepeteris.com. Very great website for interpreting the Holy Father’s words and actions for the very best

  • Love God :)

    I am 100% in support of Pope Francis 🙂

  • Love God :)

    You are not alone 🙂

  • Love God :)

    Dear Mr. Kevin Hunter, If you read only Pope Francis’ words for a month, you will understand that many news outlets are portraying him and his words in a very different way from who he truly is and what he is saying

  • Love God :)

    Unfortunately, there are a few news outlets in the US that are proclaiming themselves in a subtle way as the Pope. And very unfortunately, many people are believing them over the Holy Father himself. When I read the Holy Father’s words alone and see his actions, I can see the enormous difference. The word ‘diabolical’ means ‘rending’ and that is what is happening

  • Love God :)

    Dear Lynnelmiller, When I decided to go away from certain news outlets and read the Holy Father’s words alone, I realized how horrifically different the news outlets and their opinions of Pope Francis was. It’s actually a detoxification period that takes about a month, but I urge everyone I know to do that — read the Holy Father’s words alone. And that is why I enjoy and appreciate this article. God Bless you!!!

  • Love God :)

    A true traditionalist is one who takes our Sweet Savior’s Words to heart, right? ‘You are Peter and on this rock. . . “

  • Love God :)

    Dear Anne, Have you read any of Pope Francis’ documents, encyclicals or letters, or listened to his homilies? If you did, you would be shocked by how different they are from the railing and reviling that certain news sources are doing against the Vicar of Christ on earth.
    I join St. Catherine of Siena who calls the Holy Father, “Il Dolce nostro Cristo in terra!”
    God Bless you! And I hope you can replace those news outlets with the actual words of Our Holy Father

  • Kevin Hunter

    So yo8u are an old, condescending, ignoramus.

  • Fearless Feline

    Jesus has two parables that clearly address those who don’t like God’s prodigal mercy—the prodigal son (elder brother) and workers the vineyard (those hired earlier in the day).

  • Kevin Hunter

    Not merely an old fool and intellectually impaired, but emotionally impaired as well.
    For you the cross is hidden behind your prejudices.

  • Kevin Hunter

    Who os “most of us”?
    Your friends?
    Peoplewho can stand you?
    You are overly bold to think thast you can speak for anyone but yourself and clearly too egotistical to consider anything and anyone that you disagree with.

  • Kevin Hunter

    Like they have been running in for the past fifty years.
    You are doubling down on failure and ignoring reality.
    Francis-the-talking-pope is doubling down on failure and you are the bet he is raising.

  • mad2002mad

    If I could add…I’d rather see the Amazonian statue..than all these WASP depictions of the BVM….who was a 14 year old jewess. Time to tell the truth.

  • Paul Vinci

    There is no fabrication against Burke et al as you stated .. His criticism of the Pope have been very public

  • Paul Vinci

    Nothing there but a bunch claims .

    I happen to agree with article wholeheartedly

  • Paul Vinci

    Oh really , is it judgmental or merely a an observation..

    Also , how would you then summarize and all the calls of heresy against the Pope <<<

  • PGMGN

    +Burke’s criticisms are of Francis’s action/inaction in so much as the cause demonstrable confusion when compared to the Deposit of the Faith.

    The pretense that there is a “Rad Trad Heresy” is a fabrication. One that relies upon calumniating others and shutting down actual conversation so that issues may be clarified.

    Would that Francis would clarify himself and not leave cleaning up messes to others.

  • PGMGN

    Then you’re endorsing doing evil–calumniating others–and promulgating the false narrative of a rad-trad-heresy. Smoke and mirrors.

  • anna lisa

    They are afraid of “the other”.

  • Paul Vinci

    Well ‘m not confused because i don’t walk around with a childish attitude that everything the Pope says must be explained to me in minute detail ..
    Further more there is a stark difference between confusion and outright criticism and calling the Holy father a heretic , which sadly has been the course of many

    I would hazard a guess here and say that your confusion has led you to take a stance of criticism rather than giving him the benefit of the doubt or making a robust attempt to resolve your confusion instead of launching into hypercritical tirades that many others have done

    You have an obligation as catholic christian to give him the benefit of the doubt until it is otherwise proven beyond doubt as to his guilt .

    Thus far , the “nay sayers” have failed miserably and Cardinal Bourke should have , in my opinion , exercised a greater restraint than he has til now .. He continues to stoke the fires of dissent even still

    I am not calling Cardinal Burke a heretic , I am merely saying he hasn’t been as prudent as he should have been

  • Paul Vinci

    I thought it exceptionally apt .. I think it has hit a nerve TBH

    You use words like vapid and vicious to describe an overview of this article and yet I see a great deal of vicious criticism labelled against the Pope for which you yourself should be outraged ….. .if you are not already …but of course we know that’s not true

    I think it is a crying shame that the attacks against the Pope are hailed as heroic and yet those who defend him are criticized by those who imprudently do the very thing they hate having done to them

    Hypocrisy is a word that comes to mind .

    Nice touch at the end there by accusing the writer of not serving Christ whereas obscene criticism of the Pope is considered virtuous among the dissenters and radical reactionary catholics ..

    God Bless

  • Paul Vinci

    Whu was calumniated here exactly

  • Micha_Elyi

    “Who would want to smell like sheep.”

    The metaphorical phrase “the smell of the sheep” is attributed to Pope Francis. The phrase was in one of his exhortations said early in his papacy to bishops and priests to urge them to get out of the chanceries and rectories and go among the people of their flocks.

    “Perhaps if priests could marry…”

    …the Real Christian (RC) Church would shrink to the size of the Anglican congregations. Nope. Bad idea.

    “…perhaps the church should allow women to be priests… such as do Eastern Orthodox…”

    You’re full of bad ideas. You also appear to be ignorant of the Eastern Orthodox Churches.

  • Micha_Elyi

    You can just write “the Church” or “the Catholic Church”, JFY37.

    You do not need to write “the Real Christian Church” or to write that in abbreviated form as “the R. C. Church”; Pope Francis has spoken out against such triumphalism.

  • lynnelmiller

    I’m really horrified at the venom of some of these writers – how can Christian love survive in a soul so full of hatred?

  • lynnelmiller

    Amen, Love God!

  • lynnelmiller

    I’m also confused, and saddened, by the hateful venom coming from those who claim to want to protect the traditional values of the Church.

  • St JD George

    Don’t be sad or confused, Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. He said that there would those who come in His name that would be false prophets. Keep your eyes on He and His Mother and you will be ok. Be wary of those who obfuscate and twist His Truths to try and remake Him in the image of man instead of the other way around. And say your Rosary daily in prayer as She requested you to, and the St Michael prayer because satan is very active prowling the world today seeking the ruin of souls. Just ask any exorcist and they’ll tell you, but be not afraid.

  • PGMGN

    Msgr. Barr was/is calumniating those with whom he disagrees. He’s creating a straw man called “Rad Trad” so he, for whatever reason, can ignore discussion of the faithful’s genuine confusion and wariness of Francis’s ambiguous and often dangerous misleading statements. It reads more like propaganda than outreach, especially in light of his cavalier dismissal of others whom he seems clearly to disdain.

    The Holy Father is similarly fond of name calling and/or stubborn silences.
    Scripture tells us to be wary of one preaching a different gospel–even if he is an angel of light.

    But whatever you may think of the Holy Father, the smear of the “other” goes against what Francis himself is teaching. Right? One doesn’t exercise mercy by playing favorites. The shame game complete with virtue signaling is what progressive politicians do (You must be racist, sexist, homophobic, fill-in-the-blank if you don’t agree with my new project. There’s zero listening on their part.)

    Barr naming names–that is smearing those who have a duty to uphold Catholic teaching–smacks of clique building. If we were exchanging barbs I’d toss out Fangirling Francis Heresy. The latter isn’t supporting the papacy but a person who seems to believe that whatever he does is golden. But that’s not true.

  • PGMGN

    I haven’t called Francis a heretic. But I justifiably question his methods, motives, and performance. Why? Christ tells us to be wary of blind guides and promised times would come where there would be preachers promulgating something other than sound doctrine.

    That said, what would you have Burke do?

    He has a duty to perform. So does Francis. And the Holy Father’s stubborn silence in the face of chaos HE has created is telling. Is a wife prudent if she stands by and allows her husband to burn the house down with the children inside because he is her husband? Think about that.

    What if everyone adores her husband? What if he’s such a great guy?

    The only one stoking this conversation is Francis. For if Burke didn’t speak, the rocks themselves may cry out.

  • PGMGN

    You may indeed see vicious criticism leveled against the Pope.

    The Holy Father is on record saying if you insult a man’s mother expect a punch in the nose. Well, Francis, believe it or not, is insulting, calumniating, and derogating, an endless string of mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters only to sit back and smugly believe that he shouldn’t expect a counter argument.

    You may be too engrossed in what you perceive as an impassioned defense of the Holy Father, but in truth, defending the Holy Father is to help him draw down off this crazy path of intentional confusion. Obscene is “Msgr.” Barr resorting to name calling and calumny of others to support his wishful thinking.

    Francis is deviating from the fullness of the faith. His flirting with the undermining of the truth is what is chipping away at his own foundation of authority. (What is one to think of a father who openly pits his children against one another and then gleefully sets about destroying the role of fatherhood?)

    God bless you, indeed, for you seem utterly blind to how you’re being used.

  • Mary Stuart

    Absolutely, it’s documented. Pope Francis blocked Cardinal Müller from investigating a predator. He has over and over again reinstated Priest who are child predators.
    How can anyone lie and deny this fact.

  • Mary Stuart

    I think he’s an anti Pope, Surrounds himself with complete degenerates.

  • PGMGN

    It’s a fabrication to label asking legitimate questions heresy. Or “rad trad.” Burke has a duty to teach/preach/uphold the Catholic faith whole and entire. He’s sworn to God to do this.

    So when the captain of the basketball team begins collecting fouls on purpose and seemingly visibly throwing the game, it’s perfectly natural for those anchors on the team to ask him what his strategy is. And the captain has an obligation to speak in so far as, if he does not, the anchors have a duty to attempt to win the game.

  • Mary Stuart

    He is not only pumped up by NWO SOROS Media. Pope Benedict XVI had twice the audience. Bergoglio is a Soros. UN Puppet.

  • PGMGN

    Articles such as this one go a long way to lulling sleepy sheep back to dream land. With a promise of a virtue-lolly. I can’t help wondering if +Barr realizes that he’s undermining his own credibility–and that of the papacy itself–by writing as he does.

  • PGMGN

    Great website for twisted pretzel non-logic to encourage otherwise concerned Catholics to fall back to sleep.

  • PGMGN

    I’m horrified at the undermining of the faith that goes by without any fight at all. How can Christian love survive in souls that will so easily betray Our Lord to feel good about themselves? (A papal placebo doesn’t work.)

    Christ whipped the money changers out of the temple, Lynne. There is at time and place for zeal. And the despoiling of God’s house is surely one of them. So while you may smile sweetly at the entree of pagan idols, you may want to reread Macabees. Going along to get along isn’t what Our Lord asks of us.

  • PGMGN

    Our Sweet Savior did say those words.

    That is why we should defend the pope from the assaults of the devil and cry out, “Get behind me, Satan,” when Francis suggests we avoid Jerusalem and embrace syncretism. That’s what Jesus did.

    We are our brother’s keeper, LG. We should stand firm in the faith which may, God willing, help Francis to cease and desist his courtship with willful ambiguity. Evangelization is only solemn nonsense when one guts the Deposit of the Faith and speaks out both sides of one’s mouth.

  • PGMGN

    The sad confusion is being promulgated by Francis who seems keen on only one tradition–receiving absolute obedience. The latter is key if he’s going to use his position to change the church into some foreign thing.

    Imagine the confused sadness of those who are the objects of Francis’s hateful venom. His little book of insults is growing: http://popefrancisbookofinsults.blogspot.com/

    If a parent swears and curses, chances are they’ll have children who swear and curse. So if you don’t like the tone, look to the top.

  • PGMGN

    Thanks for revealing your devil’s tale. One doesn’t advise a Catholic to stop attending Church.

    If the Church were merely a club and Francis a reigning president what you suggest would be fine. But Christ is the head of His Church. Francis is vicar. That means the Holy Father has an obligation to uphold. (Catholics do pray for Francis that he would have a long and “healthy” papacy. But grace builds on nature. So some take it to heart and try to point out the error he’s courting for the good of his soul and ours.)

    But let your fear of the “flat earth” society run you. That’s what you seem to be doing. What you seem to be sick of listening to is your conscience.

  • Kevin Hunter

    In the newspapers, online.
    He has not promulgated heresy to me personally as I have never met him.
    I am horrified but, when given the opportunity to explain himself or correct the record, he has never done so.
    He hasn’t even responded to the Cardinal’s Dubia in over two years. He hasn’t even acknowledged it despite it being made public

  • Kevin Hunter

    Not so much a “vicar” but more of a victimizer.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    I do not believe that even Pope Benedict, “The Enforcer,” would approve of your name calling. If you wish to disagree with me or someone else, do so with dignity. Calling someone an “ignoramus” because they do not think as you do, is not Christian, dignified, kind or compassionate. Please, son, if you wish to disagree, do so without being very disagreeable and showing your ignorance regarding the viewpoint of others.

  • Mary Stuart

    No no no scientific evidence supports that. No one is born a Homosexual! Many people have received Eli through courage.

  • Love God :)

    St. Catherine of Siena lived in the years 1347-1380. She had this to say among other things in

    support of the Holy Father: “Foolish,

    then, is he who departs from the Vicar of Christ Crucified, who has the keys of

    the Blood, or who goes against him. . .Even though the Pope were Satan

    incarnate himself, I may not lift up my head against him, but I must always

    humble myself. . . Give not ear to what

    the devil whispers to you, that it is your duty to speak against the. . .

    shepherds of the Church. Do not believe the devil, do not seek to pass

    judgment, where it is not for you to judge.

    It pleases not Our Savior, He says: ‘They are my anointed. . .’ I know well, that many think they do God a

    service by persecuting the Church and its servants, and they say, to justify

    themselves: ‘The priests are so bad,’

    but I say to you that God wills and has commanded so, that even if the

    shepherds of the Church and Christ on earth were incarnate devils, while the

    Pope that we have is a good and gentle father — yet we must be submissive to

    him and obedient. . . out of obedience to God, because the Pope is the

    Vicegerunt of Christ.” (taken

    from St. Catherine of Siena, by Johannes Jorgensen pp 201 and 222).

    Lumen Gentium from Vatican II, 25: ”
    . . . religious submission of mind and
    will must be shown in a special way to the authentic magisterium of the Roman
    Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra; that is, it must be shown in
    such a way that his supreme magisterium is acknowledged with reverence, the
    judgments made by him are sincerely adhered to, according to his manifest mind
    and will. His mind and will in the matter may be known either from the
    character of the documents, from his frequent repetition of the same doctrine,
    or from his manner of speaking.”

  • Love God :)

    Lumen Gentium from Vatican II, 25: ”
    . . . religious submission of mind and
    will must be shown in a special way to the authentic magisterium of the Roman
    Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra; that is, it must be shown in
    such a way that his supreme magisterium is acknowledged with reverence, the
    judgments made by him are sincerely adhered to, according to his manifest mind
    and will. His mind and will in the matter may be known either from the
    character of the documents, from his frequent repetition of the same doctrine,
    or from his manner of speaking.”

  • Love God :)

    On October 7, 2019, Cardinal Sarah said in an interview published in
    Corriere della Sera, an Italian daily:
    “The truth is that the church is represented on earth by the Vicar
    of Christ, that is, by the pope. And whoever is against the pope is, ipso
    facto, outside the church.” And
    later in the interview, he said, “The truth is that many
    people write not to give witness to the truth, but to place people against one
    another, to damage human relationships,” he said. “The
    truth doesn’t matter to them.” And “I would add that every pope
    is right for his time. Providence looks
    after us very well, you know.”

    And finally we read in Lumen Gentium from Vatican II, 25: ” . . .
    religious submission of mind and will must be shown in a special way to
    the authentic magisterium of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex
    cathedra; that is, it must be shown in such a way that his supreme magisterium
    is acknowledged with reverence, the judgments made by him are sincerely adhered
    to, according to his manifest mind and will. His mind and will in the matter
    may be known either from the character of the documents, from his frequent
    repetition of the same doctrine, or from his manner of speaking.”

  • Love God :)

    On October 7, 2019, Cardinal Sarah said in an interview published in
    Corriere della Sera, an Italian daily:
    “The truth is that the church is represented on earth by the Vicar
    of Christ, that is, by the pope. And whoever is against the pope is, ipso
    facto, outside the church.” And
    later in the interview, he said, “The truth is that many
    people write not to give witness to the truth, but to place people against one
    another, to damage human relationships,” he said. “The
    truth doesn’t matter to them.” And “I would add that every pope
    is right for his time. Providence looks
    after us very well, you know.”

    And then finally we read in Lumen Gentium from Vatican II, 25: ” . . .
    religious submission of mind and will must be shown in a special way to
    the authentic magisterium of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex
    cathedra; that is, it must be shown in such a way that his supreme magisterium
    is acknowledged with reverence, the judgments made by him are sincerely adhered
    to, according to his manifest mind and will. His mind and will in the matter
    may be known either from the character of the documents, from his frequent
    repetition of the same doctrine, or from his manner of speaking.”

  • Love God :)

    On October 7, 2019, Cardinal Sarah said in an interview published in
    Corriere della Sera, an Italian daily:
    “The truth is that the church is represented on earth by the Vicar
    of Christ, that is, by the pope. And whoever is against the pope is, ipso
    facto, outside the church.” And
    later in the interview, he said, “The truth is that many
    people write not to give witness to the truth, but to place people against one
    another, to damage human relationships,” he said. “The
    truth doesn’t matter to them.” And “I would add that every pope
    is right for his time. Providence looks
    after us very well, you know.”

    And also finally we read in Lumen Gentium from Vatican II, 25: ” . . .
    religious submission of mind and will must be shown in a special way to
    the authentic magisterium of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex
    cathedra; that is, it must be shown in such a way that his supreme magisterium
    is acknowledged with reverence, the judgments made by him are sincerely adhered
    to, according to his manifest mind and will. His mind and will in the matter
    may be known either from the character of the documents, from his frequent
    repetition of the same doctrine, or from his manner of speaking

  • Love God :)

    Pope Francis said that there was no idolatrous actions. He is merely meeting the culture of the Amazonian peoples who he loves as Christ loves them, meeting them where they are at, that he may bring them to Our Lord Jesus

  • Love God :)

    Pope Francis has said so many times with his words and actions, over and
    over again that the Mission is at one and the same time a passion for Jesus and
    “a passion for his people (Pope Francis, 2015).” Holy Father Pope Francis, we love you too,
    our Sweet Christ on earth (from St.
    Catherine of Sienna, Il dolce nostro Cristo
    in terra)!! Providence is indeed looking after us very
    well, as always.

    Ubi Petrus, Ibi Ecclesia, Ibi Deus.
    Where Peter is, there is the Church, there is God!! (attributed
    to St. Ambrose)

  • Love God :)

    Lumen Gentium from Vatican II, 25: ”
    . . . religious submission of mind and
    will must be shown in a special way to the authentic magisterium of the Roman
    Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra; that is, it must be shown in
    such a way that his supreme magisterium is acknowledged with reverence, the
    judgments made by him are sincerely adhered to, according to his manifest mind
    and will. His mind and will in the matter may be known either from the
    character of the documents, from his frequent repetition of the same doctrine,
    or from his manner of speaking.”

  • Love God :)

    We read from Lumen Gentium from Vatican II, 25: ”
    . . . religious submission of mind and
    will must be shown in a special way to the authentic magisterium of the Roman
    Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra; that is, it must be shown in
    such a way that his supreme magisterium is acknowledged with reverence, the
    judgments made by him are sincerely adhered to, according to his manifest mind
    and will. His mind and will in the matter may be known either from the
    character of the documents, from his frequent repetition of the same doctrine,
    or from his manner of speaking.”

  • Love God :)

    I think many of us are striving to live the Church’s teaching as found in Lumen Gentium from Vatican II, 25: ”
    . . . religious submission of mind and
    will must be shown in a special way to the authentic magisterium of the Roman
    Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra; that is, it must be shown in
    such a way that his supreme magisterium is acknowledged with reverence, the
    judgments made by him are sincerely adhered to, according to his manifest mind
    and will. His mind and will in the matter may be known either from the
    character of the documents, from his frequent repetition of the same doctrine,
    or from his manner of speaking.”

  • Love God :)

    Why have you taken the heavy burden upon yourself of being the Holy Father’s judge? I have learned from Church teaching, St. Thomas Aquinas, etc that God Almighty alone is the Pope’s judge

  • Love God :)

    From Pope Francis’ words and actions, I myself have taken to heart and
    learned the following, which I believe Lynne you might agree with?:

    That it is important
    to pray for him, as he asked me to do for him from the very beginning of
    his pontificate.

    To love my husband according to ‘Amoris
    Laetitia.’

    To seek God’s holy
    will before conceiving another child, according to ‘Humanae Vitae’ and
    Pope Francis’ comment regarding breeding like rabbits, which I feel is the
    greatest synthesis of ‘Humanae Vitae’ to date.

    To cease being a
    hypocrite and a pharisee.

    To detach my heart
    from earthly things and have a heart for the poor.

    To pay no attention
    to the things which folks are saying about our Holy Father, but rather
    what he himself is saying and doing.

    To pray and do penance
    for the grave sins of impurity as he exhorted us to do at the end of the
    last synod.

    To have a heart for
    other people from other cultures, learn their cultures and respect them
    deeply, that they may know my love for them and desire their Savior Jesus
    Christ.

    To pray the Rosary
    as he himself has exhorted us to do.

    To change and grow
    up to become a little child.

    To speak well of
    everyone, not judge and not criticize.

    To abhor the Death
    Penalty and to love the person in prison unto his conversion, as St. John
    Paul II had also taught us previously during his pontificate.

    That this is the Age
    of MERCY, as demonstrated by the current Synod of the Amazon, as well as other
    numberless words and actions from our Holy Father

    That I must and want
    to embrace and deeply love the most grievous sinner (for I am one too),
    that he may, by my love for him, desire his Savior.,

  • PGMGN

    The question is what constitutes “authentic” magisterium. When the Holy Father refuses to clarify his own words, perhaps for fear of publicly proclaiming heresy, but allows free interpretation of his words to wreak havoc on the Church, there’s no submission to that. You can’t submit to that which is unclear.

    With “reverend” mile-high pressers that feign that Catholics breed like rabbits is an insult that undermines his authority. He’s attacking the teachings of the Church and making mockery of the faithful who have/are seeking to live God’s will in their life–not pretend that God now expects us to contemplate on whether or not we should have another child.

  • PGMGN

    Again–“authentic” magisterium doesn’t make for Pachamama idols.

  • PGMGN

    Our Lord will absolutely protect us against the destructive pontificate.

  • PGMGN

    Pope Francis can say that the sun doesn’t rise, but he’s incorrect.

  • PGMGN

    You confuse calling out bad papal policies and actions as being against Francis. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    And with all due respect to Cardinal Sarah, the Pope can sin and fall short of his duty. Sadly, Francis is contributing to the damage of human relationships when he mocks faithful Catholics–breeding like rabbits?–on the public stage.

    Confirmed Catholics have an obligation to seek and support the truth. Francis is causing scandal. That’s the truth. He’s refusing to clarify his statement. That’s the truth. He inviting pagan idols into the Church. That is the truth despite what he’d like to say other people’s intentions are. (He doesn’t read souls.)

  • PGMGN

    You quote St. Catherine in error.

    Those who are seeking clarification from Francis are, in fact, supporting him and acknowledging him as pope. And we are to be obedient in all things except sin.

    And when the Holy Father introduces questionable polices that contradict the authentic magisterium, good Catholics will refuse submission. For the good of their own souls, those of others, and Francis’.

  • Love God :)

    When the Holy Father spoke “breeding like rabbits” I thought of Humanae Vitae. While Pope Paul VI commended the sacrifice of having many children, Humanae Vitae was not about having many children. It was about doing the Holy Will of God. Rabbits do not pray for God’s Will before having more rabbits, they just have more rabbits, out of control sometimes. That’s all Pope Francis meant. In fact when he said that, I exclaimed, “Wow, that’s the greatest synthesis of Humanae Vitae I have heard ever!!”

    Since Pope Francis has been elected Pope, I would imagine, according to Lumen Gentium 25, that anything he says is important and i willingly seek to put his words into practice, for the good of my soul.
    Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was silent in front of Herod. He chose not to say anything. Pope Francis made a choice to not say anything. That speaks volumes to me. Good volumes. God Bless you, my friend

  • St JD George

    I know, trust me, and in reference to your other post I am a huge admirer of Cardinal Sarah and have read all three of his books. He seems to speak still with a duplicity though as he rightfully also negates what the pontiff advocates by correctly citing the Church’s traditions. I know he has reverence for the office as you cite, and we all should. Then there is the factual claims made by Abp Vigano and the dubia that go unanswered which is disheartening. When I watched him give that interview with the journalist in Mexico City I was embarrassed and disgusted even. He was so full of contempt and vitriol bearing false witness (the claims he made had already been proven false) I could not help but think how can this be. I could cite a thousand other moral offenses going back to his destructive days in South America but what would be the point. He’s not welcome there for a reason, he’s hated for his legacy of covering for homopervert priests, and oversaw one of the greatest collapses in the Church in the world. Why is that you think? Maybe people have a natural instinct for inauthenticity and are repelled. I don know and I don’t fully understand the contrasts, contradictions and discontinuity, but I will still keep praying for him. Personally I feel that St Gallen is a portal to the netherworld and I know why the former popes worked so hard to contain the cancer that grew from there. Once benign and maybe now malignant, only God knows and only God can heal this schism. Yes Love God, yes rebuke St Peter to his face like St Paul and even Jesus did when he failed to carry out the duties of the office.

  • Love God :)

    Here is what Our Holy Father said about idolatry:

    In hisMarch 7, 2019

    first Mass at Santa Marta since the start of Lent, Pope Francis invited
    the faithful to use the time of Lent to remember what the Lord has done
    in our lives. “At the beginning of Lent, it would do us good to ask for
    the grace to preserve the memory of all that the Lord has done in our
    lives, of how He has loved us”, he said on 7 March. In this way, we can
    avoid the risk of falling into the idolatry and the wellbeing that makes
    one forget about God. In the day’s first reading from Deuteronomy
    (30:15-20), Moses offered this same advice to the People of God, in
    order to prepare them to enter the promised land, a decision that was
    both “a challenge and a choice”, a choice between life and death.
    Indeed, Moses uses the following words in addressing the people: “‘if
    your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to
    worship other gods”. What this means, Pope Francis explained, is that
    when the heart turns away or takes the wrong path, it loses its compass
    and a “heart without a compass is a public danger”. “A heart takes this
    mistaken path when it does not listen, when it allows itself to be led
    astray, drawn away by the gods”. Thus, when our souls become deaf and we
    do not listen to the Lord, we run the risk of being led astray by the
    ‘fireworks’ of idolatry. The “danger along the path towards the land
    that was promised to us all: the land of the encounter with the Risen
    Christ” comes precisely from not listening to the Lord and his promises;
    from losing memory, the Holy Father explained.

    Furthermore, he warned against the danger of falling into a certain
    “amnesia of satisfaction” which leads to thinking “I am doing well as I
    am and I forget what the Lord has done in my life”. And this is when
    “the heart begins to go backwards because it does not listen to the
    voice of its own heart: memory”. Idolatry, the Holy Father explained, is
    also “an attitude of the heart, when you prefer this because it is more
    comfortable for me and not the Lord because you have forgotten the
    Lord”. However, “Lent helps us to journey on this path” when we forget
    about all the things that God has done for us and become accustomed to
    living according to our own strengths”. It will also do us good,
    Pope Francis said, “to continuously repeat Paul’s advice to Timothy, his
    beloved disciple: ‘Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead’” (2 Tim
    2:8). He is the one “who will accompany us until the moment when I shall
    have to appear before him”.

    News outlets are taking his words so very much out of context. Because I only listen to him, therefore I have no problem with him. God Bless you, my friend

  • St JD George

    Let us both agree for now to pray for him as we’ve ought.
    JMJ

  • PGMGN

    Only listening to Francis out of context–that is out of context of what the Church actually teaches and what Scripture reveals–is problematic. Reason being it leaves you vulnerable to the temptation to believe whatever he tells you.

    Francis, for whatever reason, may tell you that there was no idolatry involved in what occurred at the Amazonian Synod–but can he truly make that claim? Does he know what is in the hearts of the people? No. Can he, by mandate, remove what is in the heart of the people? No.

    News outlets may well be taking Francis out of context. But Francis is taking himself out of the context of the perennial teachings of the Church. That’s problematic. That is why his confreres-out of true love and charity–ask for him to clarify his blatantly confusing positions.

    The Truth sets us free. Christ Jesus. Our Lord tell us in scripture not to put the Lord Our God to the test.

    “Idolatry,” the Holy Father explained, is
    also “an attitude of the heart, when you prefer this because it is more
    comfortable for me and not the Lord because you have forgotten the
    Lord” (Cozying up to the United Nations and promoting a mother-earth ecology centric “religion” is convenient for getting along with a pagan world that doesn’t follow Christ. So too is welcoming idols into the sacred places.)

    The temple of Solomon was destroyed by God thanks to the influx of pagan worship and false Gods.

  • PGMGN

    It is not Kevin judging the Holy Father. The Holy Father’s words/actions/inaction are what call him out. You will know them by their fruits.

    God Almighty is the Pope’s judge–and also ours. If we know better, we need to resist and speak/follow the truth. Not novelty and a papacy that willfully incites confusion on the most basic level.

  • PGMGN

    The key here is “authentic” magisterium. Unclear babble that deviates from the Deposit of the Faith–that which cannot or will not be clarified with a yes or no–is confusion.

    Francis’s manifest mind and manifest will is to leave his teachings up for random interpretation. That’s not authentic magisterium.

  • St JD George

    You are wise to advise tuning out the secular news who report with bias. Sadly we see that bleed over into supposedly Catholic reporting too. That’s why I consume a great variety of sources and perspectives to inform, and I try to mostly pay attention to what is authentically his words and another’s interpretation. However I also have come to see much hypocrisy in saying one thing yet doing another so I listen but I now observe more so. Words mean little in the end, our actions speak more as to where our heart and therefore treasure are, and also with results from our planting His seeds. By any objective matter a disaster except as viewed by Masonic lodges around the world. St Maximilian Kolbe saw it coming which is why he formed the Militia Immaculata. Sadly we don’t know him.

  • PGMGN

    A true traditionalist is one who takes our Sweet Savior’s words to heart. “Get behind me Satan.” (The pope is still a human being who can and does sin.)

  • Kevin Hunter

    I do believe that satan holds you close to his black little heart as you profess your ignorance in your postings.
    You are an ignoramus in that you simply refuse to accept francis’ words for what they are, his actions for what they are and thereby prove yourself to be representing the close-minded “papist” that Catholics have been called over the centuries. You are no more than a atroll attempting to mislead the flock.
    Get behind us.

  • Kevin Hunter

    Opinion (which is what you are referencing) is opinion.
    Heresy is what francis has committed.

  • Kevin Hunter

    Ha ha. Very funny.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    You are absolutely correct, lynnelmiller, finally the Church is becoming what Christ would have His Church be doing and saying.

  • Kevin Hunter

    Without Christ there is no Church.
    Your people-centered church is a false one.

  • Kevin Hunter

    Very droll.
    You might consider opening your eyes and your mind rather than uncritically following a heretical human.

  • Kevin Hunter

    You keep saying “most of us” as if you even know “most” of us.
    I strongly doubt you are even one of “us” and are most likely an anti-Catholic, anti-Christian troll out to undermine Christ and his teachings.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Kevin if you are a product of the Old Roman Catholic Church, then Thank God, we have Pope Francis. To call anyone, with whom you disagree, an ignoramus, is proof, positive, that you, son, do not either follow or listen to Jesus. Name calling is juvenile and should have been abandoned once you graduated middle school.

  • Love God :)

    I agree. Just go to Vatican.va and type in ‘idolatry’ and you will see that Pope Francis teaches against idolatry.

  • Kevin Hunter

    Your theology and your biology are both out of whack.

  • Love God :)

    There is an article online at hprweb.com. If you go to that website, please search for the following title: ‘Is it virtuous to criticize the Pope?’ It was written in April of this year 2019 by a homeschooling mother of 8 who heavily quotes and cites St. Thomas Aquinas throughout. She explains in a very pracitcal, systematic way, that it is not virtuous to criticize the Pope and that God alone is his judge. She says it goes against reverence, respect and piety, also fraternal correction, just judgement and just correction. I highly recommend it

  • Love God :)

    Lumen Gentium is not opinion. It is Church teaching

  • Kevin Hunter

    You have finally said something nice about me.
    Said in massive ignorance… but nice none the less.
    I understand that in your judgement a pope who dines with his enemies, exhorts them and praises them.
    A pope who worships idols and doesn’t recognize the deity of Jesus on Earth.
    A man who denounces those that he disagrees with, or who disagree with him, and refuses to acknowledge those who validly question his actions….
    That you judge apope who fails to kneel before our lord as a man of our time… I agree with that and in fact a pope who embodies the failures of our age.
    Enjoy your time here.
    Think about converting before you leave.

  • Kevin Hunter

    Opinions and comments.
    Do you also think we shouldn’t criticize duly elected politicians?

  • Love God :)

    Pope Francis does not want us to be hypocrites and pharisees. Like Christ Who called them a ‘brood of vipers’ he also can see what hypocracy and pharisaical behavior does to ruin /destroy the faith of souls

    I can name many more. . . .

  • Kevin Hunter

    So you figure that denying Jesus’ Deity, worshipping idols and putting gaia before God are accepted Church teachings?

  • Love God :)

    yes, let us pray for, as St. Catherine of Siena called him,Il dolce nostro Cristo in terra, Our Sweet Christ on earth. He asked us to do so from the beginning of his Pontificate

  • Love God :)

    Christ chose to not answer Herod. Sometimes silence is an answer

  • Love God :)

    All the answers to the dubia are contained in ‘Amoris Laetitia’ itself. I think that is why Pope Francis was not answering

  • Love God :)

    Dear Mr. Hunter, If you would like those of us who love Our Holy Father to see things your way, it might be good for you to speak more charitably

  • Love God :)

    Perhaps it might be good to call Pope Francis himself and ask him instead of succumbing to all the gossip out there. You will be talking with someone who can answer the questions for you

  • Love God :)

    He answered the dubia, with silence. That told me many things

  • Love God :)

    Pope Francis is merely giving great respect to the culture of the people. He does not condone idolatry

  • Love God :)

    the Holy Father himself said that no idolatry was meant by this. He is deeply respecting their culture, just like Christ Our Savior Who ate with ‘sinners’

  • Love God :)

    Dear Anna Lisa, Our Holy Father is not succumbing to idolatry. He is merely respecting deeply the people’s culture. If you read ‘Laudato Si’ by him, about the first 10 pages, you will see exactly what he is doing. God Bless you, my friend

  • Love God :)

    Dear Anna Lisa, another really great website you will love, I am sure, is wherepeteris.com. I bet you will love their articles. Let me know what you think 🙂

  • Love God :)

    Pope Francis is not condoning idolatry

  • Love God :)

    go to vatican.va and type in idolatry, and you will see that Pope Francis does not stand for idolatry. So there must be something else going on here. Perhaps a deep desire for God without knowing Him fully. . . . hmmmmm, sounds like me actually although I was born Catholic!!

  • Love God :)

    Or deep respect for another culture with the hopes of bringing them to the one True God?

  • Love God :)

    If you read the first few pages of Pope Francis’ ‘Laudato Si,’ you may begin to have serious problems with St. Francis of Assisi. He calls the earth ‘mother’ and ‘sister.’

  • Love God :)

    And Pope Francis’ pectoral cross has a shepherd holding a really stinky smelly sheep on his shoulders. God Bless Pope Francis 🙂

  • Love God :)

    no, I do not place the Pope above God, but I have learned that God alone must be the judge of the Holy Father. And that from St. Thomas Aquinas

  • Love God :)

    Lumen Gentium from Vatican II, 25: ”
    . . . religious submission of mind and
    will must be shown in a special way to the authentic magisterium of the Roman
    Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra; that is, it must be shown in
    such a way that his supreme magisterium is acknowledged with reverence, the
    judgments made by him are sincerely adhered to, according to his manifest mind
    and will. His mind and will in the matter may be known either from the
    character of the documents, from his frequent repetition of the same doctrine,
    or from his manner of speaking.”

  • Love God :)

    And Pope St. Pius X said this in 1912:

    “. . .love the Pope!
    And how must the Pope be loved? Non verbo neque lingua, sed opere et
    veritate. [Not in word, nor in tongue, but in deed, and in truth – 1 Jn iii,
    18] When one loves a person, one tries to adhere in everything to his thoughts,
    to fulfill his will, to perform his wishes. And if Our Lord Jesus Christ said
    of Himself, “si quis diligit me, sermonem meum servabit,” [if any one
    love me, he will keep my word – Jn xiv, 23] therefore, in order to demonstrate
    our love for the Pope, it is necessary to obey him.

    Therefore, when we love the Pope, there are no discussions regarding
    what he orders or demands, or up to what point obedience must go, and in what
    things he is to be obeyed; when we love the Pope, we do not say that he has not
    spoken clearly enough, almost as if he were forced to repeat to the ear of each
    one the will clearly expressed so many times not only in person, but with
    letters and other public documents; we do not place his orders in doubt, adding
    the facile pretext of those unwilling to obey – that it is not the Pope who
    commands, but those who surround him; we do not limit the field in which he
    might and must exercise his authority; we do not set above the authority of the
    Pope that of other persons, however learned, who dissent from the Pope, who,
    even though learned, are not holy, because whoever is holy cannot dissent from
    the Pope.”

  • Love God :)

    No, Chapter 8 is about folks finding themselves in difficult situations/marriages. He is doing the same thing, by seeking to find a way out, as Christ did for us when He died on the Cross

  • Love God :)

    we read in Lumen Gentium from Vatican II, 25: ” . . . religious
    submission of mind and will must be shown in a special way to the authentic
    magisterium of the Roman Pontiff, even when he is not speaking ex cathedra;
    that is, it must be shown in such a way that his supreme magisterium is
    acknowledged with reverence, the judgments made by him are sincerely adhered
    to, according to his manifest mind and will. His mind and will in the matter
    may be known either from the character of the documents, from his frequent
    repetition of the same doctrine, or from his manner of speaking.”

  • Apparently his version of not being hypocritical is divorced and homosexual.
    I disagree with his definition of hypocrisy and find his actions to be extremely hypocritical.

  • When you find hourself in a difficult marriage, love your spose more. Divorce is unneccessary and abusive.

  • Michael Eberl

    How about your opinion of Fr Sosa and his views on Satan? I hope you are not implying that St. Francis worshiped Mother Earth.

  • PGMGN

    With all due reverence, the key word here is “authentic.” That said, when Cardinals respectfully submit dubia for clarification–in proper order–and receive no response, that promotes error. And demonstrates a neglect of duty.

    Francis is not Christ. And faithful Catholic cardinals asking for clarification in order to more closely understand the mind of the supreme pontiff are not Herod.

    That’s a misuse of metaphor. Our Lord was/is very clear.

    Let your yes be yes and your no be no.

  • PGMGN

    Hires and fires–that is actions–demonstrate what someone is either for or against. Talk is cheap. That means that Francis can “say” all he’d like that he’s against idolatry, but when he openly allows for what he has to occur in Rome happen unchecked, then he is not doing as he “says.”

    As for the ‘hmmmmm’ sounds like me, that’s the issue here. You’re going on anecdotal sentiment–and not looking at what is being DONE. Yes, we should meet people where they are, but that doesn’t mean that altars should be desecrated and sacred spaces invaded by idols to accommodate conversion.

    Read Macabees. The entree of pagan entities in the temple is what led to its destruction and the dispersing of God’s people. God will not be mocked.

  • PGMGN

    And a father who gets his daughter a lock for her bedroom door so she can sleep with her lover in the house may not say he’s condoning her behavior, but he is in truth.

    Francis allowed idolatrous worship to occur in sacred spaces.

    That’s shameful. It’s also running hand-in-hand with the United Nation use of “Pachamama” to push for mother earth awareness. Idolatry. Call it what you will. Tie that in with the “breeding like rabbits” slam–an utter lack of charity–and this pontificate is problematic.

  • PGMGN

    What the man “says” means nothing when his actions make allowance for it.

    Actions do speak louder than words.

    Like the Pharisees who say one thing and do another.

  • Love God :)

    I think many of us can conclude that Pope Francis is a faithful Catholic. He would not have been elected pope if her weren’t

  • Love God :)

    The Holy Father answers. He just may not give you the answer you want to hear, but he certainly answers!

  • PGMGN

    We are to judge something by its fruits–not by supposition or what we’d like things to be, LG.

  • Love God :)

    Our Savior Jesus Christ said, “You are Peter and on this rock I will build My Church. . .” and that is enough for me

    Ubi Petrus, Ibi Ecclesia, Ibi Deus.
    Where Peter is, there is the Church, there is God!! (attributed
    to St. Ambrose)

  • PGMGN

    Christ’s words are good enough for me, too. Where Peter is, there is the Church. But that doesn’t mean Peter can’t sin. He can. He can fall short of the graces given, too.

    And, as history has shown, some who have risen to the See of Peter have been declared anti-popes.

    So I’ll choose to discern and cleave to tradition when faced with a papacy that seems intent on undermining the rock upon which the papacy is based.

  • PGMGN

    The Holy Father answers by allowing his acolytes to promote heresy. So, yes, “he” answers.

    Whether its what I “want” to hear or not is immaterial. Same goes for what yo may want to hear.

    The Deposit of the Faith is what calls the pontificate out as lacking and deviating.

  • Love God :)

    And I will choose to follow Our Holy Father and call him ‘il dolce nostro Cristo in terra’ with St. Catherine, and ‘love the pope’ with Pope St. Pius X, and follow and listen to Lumen Gentium 25, church teaching, and follow my Savior Jesus Christ, and listen to Pope Francis and enjoy all the things he is teaching me, out of love for Christ, my Savior

  • Judgeforyourself37

    OK, Kev, I understand. You and I disagree, that is patently understood X 1,000. Your opinion and mine differ, so let us agree to disagree.
    My theology disagrees with yours that does not mean that mine is wrong, nor does it mean that yours if wrong. God comes to different people in different ways and there are many roads to the top of the mountain.
    As for my biology being wrong, apparently you do not have a medical background, thus, are unaware of the differences in people’s genitalia. You might want to run your theories past a physician, psychiatrist, (a man or woman with a medical degree plus a specialty in psychiatry.) a gynecologist (a man or woman with an MD, plus a specialty in women, including, contraception, prenatal care, childbirth and yes, abortion.)
    Fortunately, today, for females, there are the “abortion pills” which if taken during the first ten weeks gestation can terminate a pregnancy without anyone knowing the that woman terminated her pregnancy, with the exception of her doctor. If you do not think that this and other forms of abortion occurs among R. C. women you are mistaken.
    Artificial contraception, too, is practiced by 99.9% of R. C. women, girls and men who choose to have vacectomies. So, to quote our wonderful Pope, “Who are we to judge?”

  • PGMGN

    I will choose to follow the Holy Father in all things but sin and ambiguity. The latter is not binding. I am listening to Pope Francis and learning many things from him–like the necessity of wariness, reading the signs of the times, and understanding the need for context when vetting statements. (Actions and inaction, too.)

    Yes, “love” the Pope.

    That means you want what’s best for him–not yourself. And aiding and abetting the downfall of another is no true love. It’s facilitating error. One should never confuse love with the abuse of neglect.

  • Isebiel

    So you’re sending messages directly to him, not just gossiping online, right?

  • PGMGN

    So I’m arguing the legitimate right to question and seek clarification on what he’s trying to do/say. (The column we’re commenting on is a smear against those who have proffered questions in the appropriate manner.)

    As for “gossip” it’s not gossip when the issue is manifestly public–by the Pope’s own actions, pronouncements, endorsements, etc. and in light of Msgr. Barr writing an inflammatory article that falsely labels those seeking clarity with some made up heresy.

    What’s your excuse?

  • Kevin Hunter

    I don’t really care how you perceive the Pope and I certainly don’t care if you perceive him in the same light I do.
    I merely would like you to see the Pope in the reality of what he is doing to the Church and not from some secular-humanist position as you seem to be doing.

  • Kevin Hunter

    That is the stupidest response I have ever seen.
    Good grief!
    Pardon my shock.

  • Kevin Hunter

    ha ha ha…..
    That is the funniest thing you could have typed.

  • Isebiel

    You might be interested in this explanation here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1197219641602514945.html

    It was a thread on Twitter, from a priest, explaining why defaming the Pope online is most likely a serious sin.

    I share this only in hopes for your personal growth in holiness.

  • PGMGN

    If I were defaming the Pope online then you may have a point. You seem to be sharing this in the hopes of ending opposition. For what purpose is anyone’s guess.

    Perhaps you should focus on your own sanctification.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    You are right.

  • Maggie Sullivan

    Francis hates faithful Catholics with a passion….I have never seen anyone in public life insult and ridicule people the way Francis does.

    If you have a few hours take a look at just a few of his hateful attacks on good people……
    http://popefrancisbookofinsults.blogspot.com/

  • Paul Vinci

    Oh ok i see , so Pope Francis is a blind guide .. The Vicor of Christ is a blind guide , but Burke is you hero

    I would call on Burke to be prudent his criticisms of the Pope and resolved his issue in a more dignified manner than he has til now

    His public attacks are imprudent and are fueling dissent .. That makes cardinal Burke actions very questionable even if they were well intended

    His very public criticism have given keyboard warriors like you licence to publicly ridicule the Pope calling him a blind guide

    I think you have your priorities all mixed up my friend

    YOU SAID :
    He has a duty to perform

    MY RESPONSE :
    and so do you .. Calling him a blind guide is scurrilous attack on the Pope from a mere lay person such as yourself

    Get off your little pedestal brother and have some respect for Pope

    I

  • PGMGN

    You see very little. +Burke is not my hero. You’d never say that if you knew me and/or could grasp the issue at hand. And, FYI, St. Peter was told by Christ, “Get behind me, Satan.” So you may want to pull back in thinking the way you do. Francis, like Peter, is more than capable of merely human thinking, sin, and cowardice.

    Burke isn’t fueling dissent.

    Francis is fueling dissent by HIS dissent and unwillingness to stand up for the Church and defend her. So pray, Paul. You called Francis a blind guide. I merely mentioned scripture, and the legitimate admonitions of Our Lord about being wary of leadership when they seek to please the masses.

    Respect can and is lost when people behave in a manner unworthy of their office. That’s not being on a pedestal, but looking at the fruits individuals are willfully sowing. And I’m not speaking about +Burke.

  • anna lisa

    Thank you! I learned of this web site through Mark Shea and am so grateful for their sound reasoning and solidarity with our good Papa Francis.

  • Dave J

    Yeah, calling them heretics isn’t name calling. And, of course, it can’t be slander, whether it’s true or not. Wake up!

  • Paul Vinci

    OH right , we are outraged at a monsignor being calumniated but you publicly call the Holy Father a blind guide

    This is just another example of shear hypocrisy

    You champion yourself and call the Holy father dangerous and a blind guide and yet your are outraged at his strawman attacks on Monsignor Barr

    Your credibility is absolutely shot to pieces

    The Holy father hasn’t smeared anyone unlike the dire insults you are your fellow radical reactionary catholic’s hurl at him on a regular basis

    You are a pack of wolves

  • Paul Vinci

    I think Burke is your hero

    You champion him as though he where the one sitting on the Chair of Peter and you ridicule the man who does

    Don’t use Jesus words to Peter as blanket authority for you to ridicule the Pope .. Your are abusing the scriptures for your own sinister ends

    Again you make subjective claims like “Francis isn’t defending the church” ..

    And you did call Francis a blind guide

    You don’t get to make the call the Francis is not worthy of his office .. Listen to yourself .. It is rather pompous and arrogant to think that you can make those calls

  • PGMGN

    I make observations based on what Francis reveals of himself. And I trust God that’s why I’m wary of the man. Think what you’d like. +Burke is no hero in my book.

  • PGMGN

    It would seem you’re hero worshiping Msgr. Barr. And you’re ill informed if you believe the Holy Father hasn’t smeared anyone. But that’s okay. If you’re limiting yourself to the information offered here, its understandable that you’d think a certain way.

    But was Our Lord a “Radical Reactionary” when he whipped the buyers and sellers from the temple? He also spoke the truth when he addressed the High Priest.

    Francis “has” confused Catholics–and non Catholics as well. That is a fact. He’s attempting to change Catholic teaching–not develop it. And he’s refusing to clarify himself. Msgr. Barr blaming concerned Catholics for the fallout is completely out of line. If you can’t see that, I’m truly sorry for you.

  • Statistics Palin

    John Paul II and Benedict XVI protected the boy-sex-slaver who founded the Legionaries of Christ. When it comes to Popes, there really are no good choices.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    He is a Pope that people can follow and believe without crossing their fingers.
    He knows full well that most younger Catholics no longer attend daily mass, that they use artificial birth control and even have abortions if the fetus is deformed or they, quite frankly, just cannot afford a child.
    Pope Francis is forgiving, Dave, and if you remember Jesus was forgiving and said absolutely nothing about either abortion or contraception.
    If you are so against the Pope, perhaps Catholicism is no longer for you. That is a decision that only you can make for yourself.
    Many Catholics welcome Pope Francis with open arms and rejoice that he is a man of the people, a Pope to whom so very many Catholics can relate.
    Long live Pope Francis.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    Pope Francis did not cause any “confusion,” if you comprehend what he said and how he acts. If you are confused, I am sorry, but try researching who the Pope was, where he lived and how he behaved before he was chosen as our Pope. He was and is a humble man and much loved by so many.
    Those who vilify him are in the minority and primarily older Catholics who have difficulty with change.
    We should all, both young and not so young, remember that the only Constant in our World, is Change, and change we must lest we be left behind in the dust of a distant past.

  • PGMGN

    He “acts” in a confusing manner–contradicting himself quite often. He’s also not well loved in Argentina.

  • Love God :)

    Our Lord knows His Church so much more intimately than any CEO ever knew his company. And He chooses to keep Pope Francis as our Pope. I think we oughta acknowledge that and listen to him, seek to understand him and obey what he asks us to do, for he is the Face of Christ on earth

  • Love God :)

    I am a very concerned Catholic too, but concerned at what you are doing to your soul by having such rancor against Christ Our Savior’s Vicar

  • Love God :)

    I think we oughta let Christ Our Savior be the judge of His Vicar and not us 🙂

  • Love God :)

    The Holy Father has never asked me to sin

  • PGMGN

    If you’re are truly concerned then you wouldn’t attempt to draw out this already protracted discussion and pretend I’m doing anything untoward. That is not the case as the nature of my comments are the logical outcropping of Francis’s modus operandi.

    You may do better to concern yourself over your own wilful lack of information.

    Respect can be lost and often is by those in positions of authority when said persons misuse that authority and/or fail to forestall confusion. Or when these same individuals intentionally goad what might otherwise be considered an uncharitable response.

    Msgr. Barr’s suppositions in this column as with many others intentionally sets about miscasting others so as to distract from the reality of questionable proposals from Our Holy Father. You contribute to that process of baiting despite what you may believe of yourself.

  • Love God :)

    Hello Isabiel!! Im right with you on that about defaming the Pope. I have an article you may be interested in also, by a lady named Joanne M M Baker. You can find it at hprweb.com and look for the article entitled, “Is it Virtuous to Criticize the Pope?” She heavily cites St. Thomas Aquinas throughout and the entire article is excellent. The short answer to her question is “NO” and the longer answer is that it goes against the virtues of reverence,respect and piety. It also goes against fraternal correction, just judgment and just correction. I highly recommend it!!

  • PGMGN

    Our Lord didn’t “choose” Francis. That is pure foolishness and not Catholic. We have free will, LG. This applies to Francis as well.

    God allows a great many things. Some things are a needed punishment, like failed pontificates. I think you should listen to Francis in context, not in a vacuum.

    Francis may well be the face of Christ on earth, but is still able to deny that reality himself when he intentionally deviates from that which Christ proposed–like the binding nature of marriage for one.

  • PGMGN

    What the Holy Father proposes as doctrinal developments are doctrinal deviations. As such I cannot follow where he implies we should be led. Like the dissolution/devaluation of sacramental marriage.

  • Love God :)

    Perhaps the news outlets are misunderstanding his actions and rashly judging them to mean one thing when he means another

  • PGMGN

    There is also the virtue of truth, LG. The Pope is not infallible to the degree that he can undermine the rock of Truth and make it nothing.

  • PGMGN

    Christ Our Savior is judging His Vicar when Christ’s words deviate from those of Francis. The sanctity of marriage being one instance.

  • PGMGN

    Rash judgment is giving Francis a pass because you choose to believe the best instead of what is clearly written in his statements. You should read what he is actually writing, not what you hope it means.

    Rash judgement is pretending that those opposed to what Francis is saying, or desire him to clarify his words for the sake of souls, are anything less than faithful sons and daughters of the Church.

    Rash judgement is presuming that others do not support the pope and the papacy when they seek to support the deposit of the faith and eschew a dilution thereof.

  • Love God :)

    If you go to the website hprweb.com, look for an article entitled “Is it Virtuous to Criticize the Pope?” It was written in April of 2019. The article’s author heavily cited St. Thomas Aquinas throughout. It is excellently written and very rational. The short answer to the above question is, “NO, it is not virtuous to criticize the Pope.” And the longer answer is that it goes against the virtues of reverence, respect and piety. And it also goes against just judgment, just correction and fraternal correction. I highly recommend you read it and then see where I am coming from, along with several other folks who are talking with you on this good Msgr’s article. God Bless you

  • Love God :)

    Dear PGMGN, I suppose we all have a choice. I will follow Our Holy Father and listen to him, seek to understand him and obey him. God bless you

  • Judgeforyourself37

    The “mess” as you call it, was made by previous popes, Pope Francis is cleaning up their messes. I, and many others, can finally be proud of a human whom God has called to guide us.

  • Judgeforyourself37

    OK, OK, PGMGN, we get it. You can now stop maligning the Pope. If you do not like the Pope, or disagree with him, that is your right. However, you are repeating yourself so often that you are becoming tedious.
    There may be churches near to you that have priests who do not follow or care for the Pope. Attend one of those churches.

  • Love God :)

    Lumen Gentium 25 🙂

  • Love God :)

    Christ our Savior was not well-loved by some people either

  • PGMGN

    That’s no defense of Francis.

  • PGMGN

    Lumen Gentium 25 is no guarantee that those tasked with speaking on behalf of Christ aren’t speaking on behalf of themselves. Sin exits.

  • PGMGN

    No, “you” don’t get it. (Again, you’re not a queen, so the royal “we” is inappropriate.)

    Mine is not a matter of “liking” Francis or not liking him. That may be where you’re at because you do like him. I won’t venture to guess. It’s immaterial.

    Francis invites objections because he deviates from the deposit of the faith. Christ’s words call Francis out when he skirts away from the true teachings to imply, assert, and casually undermine.

    And if you don’t care for repetitious arguments then break off with that habit yourself. Be the change you wish to see. Listen for a change and cease from putting words in the mouths of others. That’s you constructing a straw man and not engaging with your neighbor at all.

  • PGMGN

    You’re hilarious.

  • PGMGN

    I seek to obey as well, but am precluded from doing so when Francis deviates from the traditional doctrine. One cannot cleave to ambiguity.

  • PGMGN

    The short answer to you is accept the reality that Francis is the one courting confusion, chaos, and dissension.

    You should review your own sins against just judgment — particularly when you put words into the mouths of others for fear of not being able to discuss realities on a public forum.

    As for the “good” Msgr’s article, it isn’t good as it has openly incited dissension by way of calumny and utter falsehoods. This is what you have been doing consistently throughout our exchange.

    In light of your presentation of self, there’s no way I would feel able to accept a recommendation of yours– high or otherwise. You have shown yourself to be blind, unduly condemnatory of your neighbor, and preoccupied with your own ideas. Not those the Church.

  • Paul Vinci

    I think you just simply don’t get it

    Give me an example of the Holy Father smearing anyone and I will show you a plethora of unwarranted ridicule from a thousand places labelled against the Pope

    Again stop misquoting scripture .. You are not Jesus .. and the money changers are not analogous to Pope Francis in any way shape or form . That situation has nothing in common with how Christians ought to treat the Pope . You are clutching at straws

    If some of what the pope said is confusing then its ones duty to ( A ) make a concerted effort to understand the meaning of the Popes words if possible . ( B ) understand that personal confusion is not necessarily the fault of the pope and may be in fact due to one own poor understanding ( C ) remain silent until one has resolved the conflict ( D ) not launch into a full scale public rebuke ( E )

    Don’t feel sorry for me ..

  • PGMGN

    You’re not thinking, Paul.

    A) Francis undermines his own authority by contravening established, scriptural based Catholic teaching B) It’s not “my” personal confusion but the deviation of Francis from the deposit of the faith with a blatant disregard for the scandal he’s causing those he’s supposed to be affirming in the faith C) Francis is the one remaining silent in the aftermath of the conflict he creates E.) I’m not rebuking Francis, although you seem bent on perceiving things that way.

    Rage at the wind if you’d like. Respect can be lost. Scandal will happen. Our Lord has said as much. That’s why I put my trust in Him and trust that He will support the Church despite the faithlessness of many of her leaders.

  • Isebiel

    Excellent! Thank you. Saved for future reference.

  • Love God :)

    You’re welcome! God Bless you

  • Love God :)

    I’m not about to make myself his judge. I find my joy in trusting my Savior and obeying His Vicar

  • Love God :)

    I see no ambiguity whatsoever

  • PGMGN

    Good for you.

  • Love God :)

    The Holy Father does not condone either of those

  • PGMGN

    You seem to find your “joy” in much more than that. Like haranguing others with false narratives.

  • PGMGN

    You have no idea what the Holy Father condones.

  • Love God :)

    One definition of the word ‘confusion’ is ‘inability to understand.’ Just because we don’t understand something doesn’t make the person who said it or the thing they said, wrong.

  • Love God :)

    Opinions and comments mostly from St. Thomas Aquinas. I think we probably should listen to him

  • PGMGN

    Then you may want to refrain from the hypocritical judgments you’re casting upon others, especially by endorsing the calumny in this column by Msgr. Barr.

    Similarly, you are no judge of what Francis can see.

  • PGMGN

    That’s “one” definition, not “the” definition in this case.

  • PGMGN

    No, the opinion is that of the homeschooling mother of 8 and “you” in misapplying St. Thomas Aquinas.

  • Love God :)

    Well then Happy Thanksgiving to you

  • PGMGN

    The same to you!

  • Dave J

    A very kind response. Thank you. I’m not sure what it has to do with my criticism of Msgr. Barr and his fellow liberals’ attack on conservative Catholics, disagreeing with @lynnelmiller, above, but it’s at least an effort at discussing the subject.
    I’m also a bit confused by your paragraph starting, “If you are so against the Pope…” What makes you think I am against the Pope? I am confused and concerned about some of his statements, and have pointed out in the past that a lot of his understanding of the world seems to come more from his leftist, Argentinian roots than the Churches’ teaching, but I have never suggested that he is other than the Vicar of the one true Church. One can be deeply concerned about a brother’s actions without limiting or withdrawing the love due the brother. In such cases we are called upon to bring our problems to that brother’s attention, i.e. Cardinals Burke and his compatriots. Such disagreement is exactly the proper way to address possible error by a Pope. I don’t know of another way for his fellow bishops to properly call such to his attention. For the left to declare such concern a heresy, and to tell the other side to shut up, seems somewhat less appropriate. Even your suggestion that I leave the Church could be viewed as an invitation to limit disagreement. I don’t think I’ll accept it. God bless our Pope and all of the successors to the Apostles! May they lead us to true unity in the Truth, Jesus.

  • Paul Vinci

    Again .. You are making unsubstantiated claims about the Pope

    Until these accusations are settled with formal charges of Heresy , then you really ought to exercise more restraint

  • PGMGN

    I am showing restraint, Paul, but you’re too blind to recognize that.

    FYI: Some don’t require an official decree to understand that fire is hot and can burn. We don’t need to autopsy the charred remains to grasp the truth. God, in His wisdom, has given us eyes with which to see, ears with which to hear, and intellects with which to discern dangers. (… even if an angel of light should come and preach another gospel, that’s anathema.)

    But exercise the free will God gave you as you see fit. Others will do the same and engage to protect themselves, their children, and those with ears to hear.