Michele Bachmann: proof that end-times theology will poison your worldview

Michele Bachmann: proof that end-times theology will poison your worldview October 8, 2013

One of my faithful readers has pointed me to a great piece in the Huffington Post that was published yesterday (complete article can be found here), where Michele Bachmann helps to demonstrate the utter dangerousness of believing in the end-times theology so many of us grew up with.

One of the key problems with dispensational eschatology as popularized by John Nelson Darby, is that it breaks with the historically optimistic view of the future which was largely held by Christians prior to his teachings. As I’ve noted before, prior to Darby evangelicalism was actually a beautiful movement which focused on personal conversion followed by social usefulness (as preached revivalist by Charles Grandison Finney). Evangelicalism was something which held both orthodoxy and orthopraxy in the same hand, causing an entire movement of Christians who were actually socially useful. Instead of simply speaking the good news of Jesus in word, a movement spread across the globe which aimed to address cultural injustices, such as slavery, poverty, and other issues of the time, which hindered the forward progress of good.

However, all that changed after Darby, and Michele Bachmann is a great example of the impact this theology can have on your worldview.

In a lecture Darby gave in Geneva in 1840, he publicly stated:

“What we are about to consider will tend to show that, instead of permitting ourselves to hope for a continued progress of good, we must expect a progress of evil; and that the hope of the earth being filled with the knowledge of the Lord before the exercise of His judgment, and the consummation of his judgment on the earth, is delusive. We are to expect evil, until it becomes so flagrant that it will be necessary for the Lord to judge it…”

Unfortunately, the adoption of a worldview through the eyes of Darby, instead of the eyes of Jesus, causes us to rejoice over all the wrong stuff.

When we embrace fundamentalist end-times theology, we’re forced to celebrate bloodshed and violence, instead of celebrating the events which remind us that we serve the “Prince of Peace”. Every bomb that gets dropped in the middle east, every earthquake which kills thousands in Pakistan, every tsunami that wipes out countless lives in Asia, becomes a beautiful sign of the end– something Bachmann says we should “rejoice” over.

In reference to conflict in Syria, and an accusation that the President is now arming terrorists, Bachmann states in her interview with the program Understanding the Times:

“Rather than seeing this as a negative, we need to rejoice, Maranatha, come Lord Jesus, His day is at hand…”

War and terrorism, according to Bachmann, ought to be something we celebrate.

Call me a heretic, but as a follower of Jesus– the nonviolent lover of enemies– I’d think that war and terrorism should be something our hearts lament over. I’d like to think that as people commanded to be peacemakers, we’d say, “this is horrible, we must find a path to peace.”

However, when we embrace end-times theology, the evil aspects of humanity and the devastation caused by natural disasters, become something that is a good sign– something we welcome, and celebrate. While Bachmann has often been painted as being a crazy lady who is out of touch with reality (which is true), the most tragic aspect of her worldview is that she’s actually not alone.

In recent research conducted by Lifeway, we see that one in three Americans view the conflict in Syria as part of the biblical plan for the end times, showing that Bachmann is not alone in her worldview.

“Rather than seeing this as a negative, we need to rejoice…” becomes a view that far too many people in our tribe have and hold.

While I do believe that it takes serious, advanced degrees to actually understand what the Bible teaches on many matters, this one should be a no-brainer. If Jesus said that we can tell if a tree is good by looking at the fruit it produces, we can hands down declare as settled fact, that dispensational end-times theology produces bad, bad fruit.

The Bible teaches that Jesus came to save humanity, not to judge humanity and that he came to reconcile the world, not to destroy it. Yet, because of some new theology which has taken deep root in the last 150 years, we reject the optimistic view of the future taught by scripture and instead, we view war and violence as something we should rejoice over.

I have a hard time imagining Jesus jumping up off his throne and handing out high-fives every time a child gets her limbs blown off, or every time thousands are crushed by falling buildings during an earthquake. I’m quite sure that he doesn’t sit back and watch tsunamis wipe out entire communities, and yell out: “hey guys– don’t see this as negative, you should rejoice!”

 And, well… if he’s not viewing the world that way, I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that we shouldn’t either.

If you’re still struggling with letting go of the end-times nonsense you grew up with, let me encourage you to let go of it– if for no other reason– than it will poison your worldview and lead you to celebrate war, death, and destruction. Instead of rejoicing over these things, our hearts should lament, spurring us onto the call to be peacemakers and agents of reconciliation.

Rejoicing over conflict in the world? That’s not what peacemakers do. As followers of the Prince of Peace, it’s not what we should do either.

I’m thinking that when Jesus said “blessed are the peacemakers”, Michele must have heard him incorrectly:

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  • Minor pushback… I’m not in the camp of “Helena and her Handbasket are gathering folks up…”… but I’m also not in the camp of “Hey, look! Everything is getting better!” I’m more in the camp of “everything changes, fluxuates, there are good times, there are bad times, there are parts of history that look good, and there are parts of history that make me weep.”

    I’m no dispensationalist. I’m no optimistic liberal. I’m a realist who recognizes that Jesus admonition of “wars and rumors of wars” was basically, “Hey, look… this stuff will continue to be happening for a while until I come back [and I do believe he is coming back]. In the meantime, here’s what I want you to be doing.” And I don’t think that what he wants us to be doing is rejoicing over those wars and rumors of wars but doing our darndest to bring God’s Kingdom to bear there so that, at the VERY least, we can reduce the human suffering.

    Anywho, good article, Ben!

  • I agree– I think there will be good times and bad. The one theological argument I am comfortable making, however, is that things will never be as bad as AD 70 since I believe that to be the context of Matthew 24.

  • I guess that “as bad as” AD 70 maybe understood contextually for the listeners of Matthew 24… I’m thinking that folks under the Kamir Rouge (sp?) in Cambodia, Jews in Nazi Germany, Blacks in the segregated US south, Native Americans in the 1800’s US West may have some commentary to whether or not things were “as bad as” but I think I get what you’re saying. :-)

  • That’s a good point– I suppose “bad” is quite relative and could potentially make light of the atrocities others have/will face. Good point. I guess this is just another area of theology that invites us “into tension” instead of relieving tension.

  • Shane O’Ruighrah

    Bachmann’s mentor, Alan Quist, was one of my college professors in my political discourse class. We spent most of it learning why the gays need to be imprisoned for their crimes against nature. I’m not sure if you’re aware, Ben, but Bachmann (and Quist) both closely identify with the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, a branch that denies the Rapture, premillenialism, and interpretation of Revelation in general. Well, unless it’s to claim that the pope is the anti-Christ.
    There’s something about Midwestern conservative Lutheranism (WELS, LCMS, ELS) that’s just as scary as fundamentalism, but in a totally different way. They’re much quieter than their more well-known evangelical counterparts, but they’re a huge voter base.

  • Norman Walford

    ‘But anonymously posted accusations ought to have no place in any prosecution. For this is both a dangerous kind of precedent and out of keeping with the spirit of our age’
    Trajan’s famous letter to Pliny about how to deal with local churches, written 2000 years ago, illustrates the natural tendency of human nature to see the present time as enlightened and the past as primitive. Are we really getting better? I’m not so sure. Granted we no longer crucify people, but I’m not convinced that our optimism for societal development is any more firmly based than waz that of Trajan.
    Not a reason not to keep working for the common good of course.

  • gimpi1

    Sorry, a bit clueless here, what does the bolded word in this quote mean:

    “Rather than seeing this as a negative, we need to rejoice, Maranatha, come Lord Jesus, His day is at hand…”

  • Hilary

    I don’t think the fact that MB’s home state of Minnesota’s recent track record regarding legally allowing and celebrating same sex marriage is helping her mental stability any.
    Just a little.

  • alfuso

    Maranatha seems to be a Christian version of Alu Akbar.

  • Levi

    From Vine ‘s:

    Maran-atha:  an expression used in 1Co 16:22, is the Greek spelling for two Aramaic words, formerly supposed by some to be an imprecatory utterance or a curse reinforced by a prayer,” an idea contrary to the intimations coveyed by its use in early Christian documents, e.g., “The Teaching of the Apostles,” a document of the beginning of the 2nd cent., and in the “Apostolic Constitutions” (vii. 26), where it is used as follows: “Gather us all together into Thy Kingdom which Thou hast prepared. Maranatha, Hosanna to the Son of David; blessed is He that cometh, etc.”

    The first part, ending in ‘n,’ signifies “Lord;” as to the second part, the Fathers regarded it as a past tense, “has come.” Modern expositors take it as equivalent to a present, “cometh,” or future, “will come.” Certain Aramaic scholars regard the last part as consisting of ‘tha,’ and regard the phrase as an ejaculation, “Our Lord, come,” or “O Lord, come.” The character of the context, however, indicates that the Apostle is making a statement rather than expressing a desire or uttering a prayer.

    As to the reason why it was used, most probably it was a current ejaculation among early Christians, as embodying the consummation of their desires.

    “At first the title Marana or Maran, used in speaking to and of Christ was no more than the respectful designation of the Teacher on the part of the disciples.” After His resurrection they used the title of or to Him as applied to God, “but it must here be remembered that the Aramaic-speaking Jews did not, save exceptionally, designate God as ‘Lord’; so that in the ‘Hebraist’ section of the Jewish Christians the expression ‘our Lord’ (Marana) was used in reference to Christ only” (Dalman, The Words of Jesus).

    From ISBE:

    MARANATHA mar-a-nath’-a, mar-an-a’-tha (from Aramaic words, marana’ ‘athah, “Our Lord cometh, or will come”; according to some, “has come”; to others, “Come!” an invitation for his speedy reappearance (compare Re 22:20); maranatha, or maran atha): Used in connection with anathema, “accursed” (1Co 16:22), but has no necessary connection therewith. It was used by early Christians to add solemn emphasis to previous statement, injunction or adjuration, and seems to have become a sort of watchword; possibly forming part of an early liturgy.

  • gimpi1

    Thank you very much, Levi. Good information.

  • Gary Calderone

    Christians have been waiting for the end of the world since the time of Saint Paul and if the 20th century with two world wars, a Great Depression, the Holocaust, and nuclear bombs weren’t ‘signs’ of the ‘end of times’, nothing is! And definitely nothing that’s going on today.

  • R Vogel

    And this is why, as I have gotten older I have come to believe that the dispensationalist viewpoint with which I was raised is not only dangerous, it should disqualify someone from public office. Not legally, but morally. If you believe Jesus is coming back to put everything right, you not only rejoice when things go wrong, you are incentivized to do so. Also if you believe the time is going to abruptly end and everything is going to be gum drops and rainbows for eternity, then why do you care about the long-term problems we are facing as a species. Resource Depletion: So what. Energy Crisis: Not important. Global Warming/Climate Change: Uninterested. You are only interested in preparing the world for Jesus’ return and in the dispensationalist view that means making it worse. The dispensationalist argument also becomes a self-fulfilling philosophy. The world only gets better by us making it better. Didn’t Jesus say you are my hands and feet. By not working to make it better, it gets worse. And the fundies poiont and say See, See it’s getting worse, yabba dabba doo or whatever….

  • President Reagan really frightened me when he talked seriously about the coming war of Armageddon.

  • President Reagan really frightened me when he talked seriously about the coming war of Armageddon.

  • I abandoned dispensationalism in the mid-1980s and became an amillennialist. But I continued for decades in the company of dispensationalists. I believe dispensationalism is one of the seven most problematic baggage issues for believers today.

  • I abandoned dispensationalism in the mid-1980s and became an amillennialist. But I continued for decades in the company of dispensationalists. I believe dispensationalism is one of the seven most problematic baggage issues for believers today.

  • The world and ourselves are not progressing…but are being brought to an end.

    Even scientists say that one day the Sun will expand and explode. And take a drive down to your local cemetery and ask yourself whether or not you’ll be able to escape that end.

    We have a real problem on our hands. We don’t need a tune-up. We need someone who can raise us from the dead.

  • The world and ourselves are not progressing…but are being brought to an end.

    Even scientists say that one day the Sun will expand and explode. And take a drive down to your local cemetery and ask yourself whether or not you’ll be able to escape that end.

    We have a real problem on our hands. We don’t need a tune-up. We need someone who can raise us from the dead.

  • Right. In other words, throwing Jesus under the bus in our public square, abortion, sex trafficking and Islamic terrorism, among plenty of other evils of the day due to the rejection of Jesus, are insignificant issues, huh? The end will come and you will swallow……..your pride, as your kneecaps shatter when you fall fearfully to the ground, confessing “Jesus Christ is Lord.”

  • Right. In other words, throwing Jesus under the bus in our public square, abortion, sex trafficking and Islamic terrorism, among plenty of other evils of the day due to the rejection of Jesus, are insignificant issues, huh? The end will come and you will swallow……..your pride, as your kneecaps shatter when you fall fearfully to the ground, confessing “Jesus Christ is Lord.”

  • You are one sick puppy!

  • Sven2547

    I can’t tell if you’re joking or not. Either way, you are utterly failing to address Mr. Calderone’s comment. He never said that today’s issues are “insignificant”, he’s just pointing out that much larger, paradigm-shifting events have happened in world history and those clearly weren’t signs of the end times.

    The prideful person here is the one who is pretending that the Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth has given them some special insight into the future.

  • You are one sick puppy!

  • Sven2547

    I can’t tell if you’re joking or not. Either way, you are utterly failing to address Mr. Calderone’s comment. He never said that today’s issues are “insignificant”, he’s just pointing out that much larger, paradigm-shifting events have happened in world history and those clearly weren’t signs of the end times.

    The prideful person here is the one who is pretending that the Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth has given them some special insight into the future.

  • Actually, the prideful one is the one who has rejected Jesus Christ, King of kings and Lord of lords! The prideful one is the one who thinks of him/herself as god.

  • Actually, the prideful one is the one who has rejected Jesus Christ, King of kings and Lord of lords! The prideful one is the one who thinks of him/herself as god.

  • Sven2547

    Nobody here thinks they’re a god.

  • “Truth is so obscured nowadays and lies [are] so well established that unless we love the truth we shall never recognize it.” ~Blaise Pascal
    And what is the truth? The Truth is a person named Jesus Christ.

  • “Truth is so obscured nowadays and lies [are] so well established that unless we love the truth we shall never recognize it.” ~Blaise Pascal
    And what is the truth? The Truth is a person named Jesus Christ.

  • I’m a fool for Christ. Whose fool are you?

  • I’m a fool for Christ. Whose fool are you?

  • Sven2547

    I don’t really consider myself a “fool for” anybody, though I am confused by your usage of the term.

  • Sven2547

    I don’t really consider myself a “fool for” anybody, though I am confused by your usage of the term.

  • alfuso

    Look it up. It comes out to the same thing: Praise The Lord.

  • alfuso

    Look it up. It comes out to the same thing: Praise The Lord.

  • Ahh… Ginny Bain Allen. I was afraid that you had fallen ill or something since I hadn’t seen you harassing my readers lately.

  • Ahh… Ginny Bain Allen. I was afraid that you had fallen ill or something since I hadn’t seen you harassing my readers lately.

  • What a blessing to know I was missed, Benjamin. ;) One of my twin sons got married, and I am now blessed with a beautiful daughter-in-love who is zealous for Jesus! :)

  • What a blessing to know I was missed, Benjamin. ;) One of my twin sons got married, and I am now blessed with a beautiful daughter-in-love who is zealous for Jesus! :)

  • For whom or what do you live, Sven? I have surrendered my allegiance to precious Jesus! The Bible talks about being fools for Christ’s sake.

  • For whom or what do you live, Sven? I have surrendered my allegiance to precious Jesus! The Bible talks about being fools for Christ’s sake.

  • You three are afflicted with mental WILLness that has turned into mental ILLness. In other words, you are not afforded right thinking and wisdom that only comes from Jesus.

  • You three are afflicted with mental WILLness that has turned into mental ILLness. In other words, you are not afforded right thinking and wisdom that only comes from Jesus.

  • alfuso

    And you afflicted with hubris.

    I am not Christian. It makes Arrogant gits like you.

  • alfuso

    And you afflicted with hubris.

    I am not Christian. It makes Arrogant gits like you.

  • Congratulations to your family. Peace and blessings be upon them.

  • Congratulations to your family. Peace and blessings be upon them.

  • Sven2547

    What’s the benefit of being a fool, though? I’m content to be a thinker for the things I support.
    Mankind is my business, the common welfare is my business, charity, mercy, forbearance, benevolence are all my business.

  • Sven2547

    What’s the benefit of being a fool, though? I’m content to be a thinker for the things I support.
    Mankind is my business, the common welfare is my business, charity, mercy, forbearance, benevolence are all my business.

  • I appreciate your thoughtfulness, Benjamin. :) I shall pass on your kind sentiments to Joseph and Kala.

  • I appreciate your thoughtfulness, Benjamin. :) I shall pass on your kind sentiments to Joseph and Kala.

  • alfuso

    Quetzalcoatl.

  • alfuso

    Quetzalcoatl.

  • Skip Patterson

    When it comes to end times stuff I have to look at the fact that, “Man has been predicting the end of time since the beginning of time. To date he has been 100% incorrect.”

  • Skip Patterson

    When it comes to end times stuff I have to look at the fact that, “Man has been predicting the end of time since the beginning of time. To date he has been 100% incorrect.”

  • CJ99

    Ginny bin laden you do not know Jesus or the truth if he came up to you in person & swatted your head with it. What you espouse is that we should praise disaster & war as things that bring about the end of the world. Such is sickening & revolting beyond words. The mere fact that you can even think of defending that is shocking.

  • CJ99

    That will happen in 5 to 10 billion years. Do you think you’ll be around by then? if you think you can predict what will even be going on by then theres a word for that, its not faith but delusion.

  • CJ99

    Well put R vogel. no doubt some fanatic will try to argue the point (and utterly fail in doing so) but I’ve realized the same. I don’t doubt there some who would want to bring about the end of the world like some 3rd rate B movie.

  • CJ99

    Ginny you’re raging delusions do far more damage & pose more risk than anything Gary said. Spreading fear as you do is no better than Christian terrorism.

  • CJ99

    Ginny do you even realized that you’ve killed your own fallacious arguments right there? You’ve not only rejected what Jesus really said (which isn’t what you said) but put yourself in his place. the arrogance you display is apalling.

  • CJ99

    Good one. Definately one for the “wish I’d thought of it” pile ;)

  • CJ99

    Don’t worry Ginny we miss you every chance we get!

  • CJ99

    Ginny doesn’t get it Sven. She’s proud of being foolish.

  • I don’t worry for the Bible says, “Be anxious for nothing.” And Almighty God is in control, CJ!

  • No one knows for sure. We could be hit by an asteroid tomorrow.

    But I do know this much, you and I won’t be around in 75 years.

  • Wow, Benjamin, you remain silent when three of your illustrious readers down-vote my thankfulness to you? Precisely what are they down-voting – not liking – about my comment? Why is their heartlessness – soul-less-ness, not significant to you? It reminds me of when our only granddarling was born still at full-term and one of the men in my husband’s group at Verizon refused to sign his name to the thoughtful card they sent, as well as contribute money towards purchasing the lovely flower arrangement accompanying it to our grieving daughter. And people do not believe in evil???

  • Ginny–

    I don’t get to see all the up and down voting that takes place, especially on old articles, so I hadn’t seen that. It’s unfortunate.

    However, I’d encourage you to consider that how you say things is more of a message than what you say. I think the approach you typically take is an approach that puts people off– which leads them to down-vote a positive interaction when it occurs. I think if you simply tried to interact with the ideas and material in a way that shows you’re willing to listen, try to understand, and then contribute your own opinion for consideration, you’ll see people receive you differently. I’m not saying that to be unnecessarily critical, but I think it’s something you should consider if you’d like to be able to have meaningful discussions with some of the readers on here.

  • Timothy Swanson

    I am not a big fan of dispensationalism. However, I would like to point out that a major competing end times view also has had disastrous consequences.

    The postmillenialist belief is a key component of Christian Reconstructionism – a belief that is popular within a significant portion of fundamentalism these days.

    At the risk of grave oversimplification, postmillenialists of this ilk believe that it is their duty to establish a worldwide theocracy (with full implementation of Old Testament laws). This theocracy will rule for a thousand years, after which Christ will return.

    In many ways, it is the opposite idea, but it has very similar results. Because the point is to enforce Old Testament law, neither conversion nor social justice factor in at all. It’s much more important to stone the homosexuals and apostates. (Reason.com has an article entitled “Invitation to a Stoning” which is worth reading for background on this idea.) The counterpart to Bachman on that side would be Ron Paul, who has a decades long collaboration with prominent Reconstructionist Gary North.

    So, my working theory? Maybe thinking about the end times isn’t healthy for one…

  • Dan J.

    I just wanted to express my appreciation for your posts. Thanks!

  • Don

    Thanks for writing this. It was about 10 years ago when I first heard a teaching on the four major interpretations of Revelation and Daniel prophecies – Preterism, Historicism, Idealism (or Spiritualism) and Futurism. After learning the truth about how the Futurist view came into existence, how it is by far the youngest of the interpretations, and how it sprang up in the US amidst a flurry of “end of the world” religious predictions from Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, etc., I was shocked that the futurist view had been blatantly portrayed as the only was to interpret these scriptures. When I asked the pastor teaching on this how it was that I had been a Christ Follower for over 20 years and had never heard any of that, he said to me, “You tell me how I graduated from a major seminary, took classes on eschatology, and never learned any of this.” Futurist views have for too long brought unnecessary fear into the church. Time to let light and truth shine through.

  • micki Willard

    Of course we could just take the words of Jesus he said in Matt 24:21,Matthew 24:21 KJV

    For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

  • Kate Flynn

    I see what you did there :)

  • KentonS

    On the other hand, if’n you know the history of the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70, the commentary from the victims of Nazi Germany, the segregated South, etc. doesn’t exactly trump the atrocities of Titus either. (We’re comparing extreme evil and extreme evil here.) The proximity time-wise may underscore the awareness of these more recent events, but the evil was just as bad in AD 70 as it has been any time since.

  • Ann

    This is a psychologically abusive viewpoint. Hearing it proclaimed by revival preachers and others when I was young led to my first panic attacks, to name just one terrible consequence. I have spent many years overcoming the bad effects of this type of thinking.

  • dapowellii

    Excellent point of view as always! But whenever I post stuff like this, my Bible-thumping family and friends accuse me of being a Democrat or atheist, because those are the worst epithets they know.
    And, not to put too fine a point on it, but every Doomsday prophet in history has been wrong.

  • Jeremy Fretts

    I recently had a conversation with a well read, Catholic physician who had no idea of the impact this theology has on American foreign policy… That conversation just a few days after hearing a senior State Department facilities manager lament that his projects might be used by the antichrist.

  • kimc

    No, you’re wrong. the End Times happened in the 20th century, you all missed it, and are all Left Behind.

  • Gigi Gunn Merrill

    Probs talking about the destruction of Jerusalem and the events which led up to that. How about, more importantly: Matthew 24:44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
    How about we live our lives as He would want us to, and not rejoice in evil but do what we can to destroy it. With love.

  • americanwoman343

    No it doesn’t

  • Eric Bolden

    The thing that really made the negative view (called “futurism”) look real was that (as one futurist leader put it) “for the first time, we have the capability of wiping life off of the planet earth”. I.e. nuclear technology. So cince this was a possibility in any large scale war, it was figured that THIS would finally be “it”, and only the return of Jesus could save all of life. Matthew 24:22 would even be cited as the ultimate proof of this.
    Still, the “end times” were said to occur “shortly” by Jesus and the rest of the NEw Testament weiters, and referred to the final judgment of biblical Israel, not the whole world. So while there may well be dark days ahead, the “good news” was spiritual redemption of the world, not the physical destruction of the “bad guys” in favor of the “good guys”, which is what many futurists are waiting for.

  • paganheart

    Ditto. :-(

  • Jesse Ochoa

    Bachman never said she celebrates over the bloodshed, instead the celebration is about knowing JESUS is soon to return.

  • Jesse Ochoa

    Yea we are the hands and feet of JESUS. To work in the field of salvation. Telling others about him and his salvation. To also tell others we ARE living in the last days

  • Scott Gross

    When you SEE these things happening, look up! You’re redemption draweth nigh. I guess My hermeneutics are all wrong. Nobody is celebrating war. When he comes, there will be no more war……After The Prince of PEACE cleans house. The word is very clear in every language.

  • Matthew

    I´m curious Ben … is there a biblical basis for thinking that only people with advanced degrees can accurately identify what the Bible teaches on many matters? Where I live, there are highly educated clergy in every state church, but most of these theologians also deny the message of the cross. Also … didn´t Jesus entrust the beginnings of his church to simple men who casted fishing nets rather than those who inhabit ivory towers? I admit … I may be missing something. I´d appreciate your explanation/clarification when you have time. Thanks in advance Ben.