The Mark Of The Beast: Revealed!

The Mark Of The Beast: Revealed! June 21, 2018


When it comes to the book of Revelation there are ultimately two camps: Futurists (who believe the book tells us something about future events that have not happened yet) and Preterists (who believe the book told First Century Christians about events that would “soon come to pass” in their lifetime).

I am not a Futurist. As such, I read the book of Revelation as a prophecy about events that have already taken place (from our perspective) and were fulfilled soon after John wrote them during the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.

Because of my perspective, I do not believe that the “Mark of the Beast” has anything to do with current or future events. So, when friends of mine post links to Facebook about a new computer chip that allows people to store their medical records, or purchase products by placing the chip under a scanner, I do not equate this with the end of the world, the rise of the Anti-Christ, or the Mark of the Beast.

Since people seem to be very interested in this topic, I wanted to at least provide a different perspective to help balance things out a bit.

The Mark of the Beast

When John wrote the epistle of Revelation to the seven churches, he made it very clear – on numerous occasions – that the prophecies contained in his letter were to take place “soon”.

For example: In verse 1, John says: “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place….”

In verse 3 he says: “…. and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.”

John uses specific words in the Greek throughout his epistle which mean: “Shortly”, “Without delay”, “Soon”, “In a short time”, “Near”, “About to”, etc.

There can be little doubt, therefore, that the First Century Christians who received and read John’s letter understood at least one thing: They were reading about events that were about to happen very, very soon.

Keeping this in mind, let’s see if we can identify “The Beast” from Revelation. First, since John is writing to First Century Christians about events that were about to happen quickly, then we can be sure that “The Beast” was a contemporary of John.

Secondly, John describes this as either a person (Rev. 13:18), or as several people (Rev. 17:10), or as a government or kingdom (Rev. 17:9).

First Century Christians would have been very familiar with Old Testament references in Daniel to the Four Beasts (Dan. 7:17) which corresponded to Four Kingdoms or Empires. Therefore those readers would have known that John’s references to “The Beast” in his letters pointed to the Empire of their own day – The Roman Empire.

But what about the person who is referred to as “The Beast”?

Since the Apostle John was writing this letter from captivity on the Island of Patmos, he reverted to code which his readers (Jewish Christians) would understand easily but his captors (The Romans) would not. Note also that, as a prisoner of Rome, he wouldn’t want to come right out and write anything negative about the Emperor or the Government that held him captive – for obvious reasons. This is why, when he wants to let Christians know that “The Beast” is the Emperor Nero, he would say:

“Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.” (Rev. 13:18)

The Hebrew spelling of “Nero Caesar” was NRWN QSR. Since Hebrew letters doubled as numbers it was a simple thing to take that name and add them together which adds up exactly to 666. [Example: N = 50 R = 200 W = 6 N =50 Q = 100 S = 60 R = 200]

One fascinating variant of this same passage notes that “Some manuscripts read: 616” rather than 666. Why? Because when Revelation was later copied into Latin the name Nero Caesar didn’t add up to 666, it added up to 616. So, to make it easier for those later Latin-speaking (non Hebrew reading) Christians to arrive at the same conclusion the number was changed to 616 in certain translations.

Want more proof? Ok. In Revelation 17:9-10 John tells us:

“Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while.”

You’ve probably heard that the “seven mountains” correspond to the seven hills of Rome. However, did you know that the seven kings also point to Nero as “The Beast”? They do. Because John tells us that: “Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come and when he comes, he must remain a little while.”

According to Josephus, the Roman historian, Julius Caesar was the first king, followed by August, Tiberius, Caligula and Claudius. The sixth king? That was Nero. So, he is the “one (who) is”.

The seventh king – the one who followed Nero – was Galba, and as John prophesied, he reigned for a short time (about seven months).

Nero, as the sixth king of Rome, was the first to persecute Christians in the First Century. He started persecuting them in November of 64 AD and ended on June 8, 68 AD when he killed himself. That was 42 months of persecution. Notice what John says about “The Beast”:

“And there was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies; and authority to act for forty-two months was given him.” (Rev. 13:5)

Coincidence? I think not. Clearly John is going out of his way to let his readers know that “The Beast” had a name that, in the Hebrew, added up to a number (666) and that he was the sixth, and current king of Rome, and that his persecution would last exactly 42 months. What could be more clear than this?

Extra-Biblical Proof

Nero was also called “The Beast” by contemporary pagan writer Apollinius of Tyana, who said of Nero:

“In my travels…I have seen many wild beasts of Arabia and India; but this beast, that is commonly called a Tyrant, I know not how many heads it has, nor if it be crooked of claw, and armed with horrible fangs…. And of wild beasts you cannot say that they were ever known to eat their own mother, but Nero gorged himself on this diet.”

Note that Nero murdered his own parents, and his brother, and his pregnant wife, in addition to several other family members.

We also have evidence from the Romans that Nero enjoyed dressing up as a wild beast and raping male and female prisoners.

Still not convinced? Consider that all of the earliest Church Fathers from Irenaeus in the First Century, all the way through to St. Beatus in the 8th century agreed that “The Beast” was Nero.

Buying and Selling?

Roman citizens were required to publicly claim allegiance to Caesar by burning incense in his honor and proclaiming that “Caesar is Lord”. Those who did this received a document that allowed them to buy and sell in the marketplace. Without it, no one could purchase anything. Therefore, the “Mark of the Beast” – or the document that showed your allegiance to Nero as Lord – was required to buy and sell if you lived during the time when John wrote his epistle to the seven churches.

None of those Christians who read Revelation were confused about what John meant by this. It was already happening to them.

In Conclusion: The Mark of the Beast is not a microchip. It is not a barcode. It is not your credit card. The Beast was Emperor Nero. The Mark of the Beast was “the number of his name” which added up to 666. We’re told that The Beast would reign in terror for 42 months and Nero’s persecution of the Church lasted exactly 42 months.

Questions? Please let me know in the comments below.

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NOTE: This article was written with help from a variety of sources, but most notably from an article on The Preterist Archive and Beyond The End Times.

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Keith Giles is the author of several books, including the forthcoming Jesus Unbound: How the Bible Keeps Us From Hearing the Word of God”, available July 4th, 2018.

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  • HematitePersuasion

    This has given me a new appreciation of Rick Riordan’s classical and scholarly sophistication. I doubt that he refers to Nero as ‘The Beast’ by accident.

  • Dan

    While this makes a lot of sense of the text, don’t most scholars think Revelation was written in the 90s instead of the 60s when Nero was alive?

  • Whether predictive [written pre AD 70] or descriptive [written post AD 70], the identity of the Beast remains the same [Nero].

  • RebelRose

    Hi Keith, I was wondering if you would mind me using this blog as an introduction to my post on the Mark of the Beast on DISQUS. Id like to use it in a 3 part series. I am a recent convert to Progressive Christianity after 47 yrs as a evangelical fundamentalist and have committed the rest of my days to bringing PC to anyone willing to listen. I also am a vocal advocate of LGBTQ rights, reform of the church universal and question the existence of Hell as a place of eternal conscious torment.

    You may like to look at my previous posts, just to get a feel for what I represent. I’ve only been posting to DISQUS for about 3 months now and am trying to build up readership with a free account, before buying into my own Channel. Any advice you would like to throw my way, would be gratefully appreciated!

  • The Lowdown on God’s Showdown is that a lot of NT writers (Paul, Gospel authors, the author of Rev.) falsely predicted the final judgment of the world was imminent. Your blog post reads a lot like the first few paragraphs of one of my two pieces on the topic:

    https://infidels.org/kiosk/article/the-lowdown-on-gods-showdown-86.html

    https://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-apostle-paul-fanaticus-extremus-all.html

  • Betsy Brandt

    Thank you Keith, another excellent piece by you! Context, context, context may we never forget this, just like in real estate its location, location, location!

    I had the extreme privilege to visit the cave on Patmos that John allegedly inhabited while writing the Book of Revelation. The physical evidence also corroborates your study, there were indents in the stone imprinted by his knees as he prayed so fervently. A place chiseled out in the upper stone where he kept his Holy Book. I highly recommend a visit, it was surreal.

    What evidence is there for the book as pre-70 AD versus post 70 AD? Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.

  • Bald Humanist

    As an ex-Christian (Baptist) I am fascinated that my denomination was so invested in Revelation when in fact, the book barely made it into canon and was at first roundly rejected by many church leader right up to the 4th century and even beyond.

    That anyone can take it literally astounds me…and yet Hal Lindsay continues to make money off the crowd.

  • Bald Humanist

    Indeed…and it’s even plausible that the author was referring to Domitian who had similar Nero-like qualities. Kind of like how we now compare some politicians to Hitler or Stalin.

  • Bald Humanist

    In studying some modern commentaries, I learned that — when gathering for the feast — no matter how you stab it with your knife, you just can’t kill the beast — St. Donald of Henley.

  • jekylldoc

    Works for me. Jung makes a big deal of how wrathful the letters to the seven churches are (on average). I think it is sad that this bit of triumphalism made it into the canon at all, personally. Like Isaiah and the other Major Prophets, the Revelator brings hopeful conclusions to things, but along the way, God comes off rather badly, IMHO. Is the imagery of trees and cities and casting down their golden crowns really worth all that?

  • Dragonfly

    This explanation of the “Mark of the Beast” kept me reading until you mentioned that in order to buy/sell in the OT, people carried a paper with them. You lost me then because in Revelation 13:16-17, John distinctly said the mark would be on the forehead or the right hand. I find that Progressives use parts of the story to advance their agenda. We are also warned about false teachers. I urge people reading your blog, Mr. Giles, to read ALL of the passages, not just extract what works to make you feel good.

  • Widuran

    I like the iron maiden song

  • John Gills

    I’m sure folks have seen the wisecrack, “665, Neighbor of the Beast.”

  • Illithid

    That would be across the street, of course. 664 and 668 would be next door.

  • Laurel Linc Dunstan

    luvit!!!

  • You failed to mention the third prophetic hermeneutic, historicism. Historicism views prophecy as beginning its fulfilment ‘shortly hereafter’, but continuing to be fulfilled throughout known history until its climax in the near future, or ‘imminent’ future. Thus the 42 months you mentioned are symbolic of a much ,longer time period, being a day for a year as per the well known prophecy of Daniel 9 and the 70 weeks, being 490 years. So 42 months is equal to the times,time, and half a time and 1260 days elsewhere in both Daniel and Revelation, which all, when taking into account the day for a year formula, equal 1260 years.

  • Brianna LaPoint

    I was told the mark in the hand was action and the mark in the head was thought. But since i dont believe anymore, and since im convinced John the Baptist ate peyote, i guess all i get out of it now is a good chuckle

  • Stephen Richards

    What can we do with the knowledge of 666 meaning Nero Caesar today? In our present lives, who or what is Nero Caesar? How can we live better lives knowing such?

  • Bob Pickle

    “But what about the person who is referred to as “The Beast”?”

    This sentence assumes to be true what must first be proven. Rev. 13 is obviously pointing back to Dan. 7, and in that chapter the four beasts represent four distinct kingdoms/governments, not four distinct persons.

    When the various Protestant reformers said that the antichrist prophecies were pointing at the Roman papal power, the papacy had to do something. So in the Counter Reformation, Jesuit scholars came up with alternative views on prophecy, preterism (antichrist was in the the distant past) and futurism (antichrist will be in the distant future). Both alternatives made the antichrist out to be a single individual, and to rule for 1260 literal days rather than 1260 years, in order to get the Bible off the papacy’s back.

    Were the Jesuit scholars correct about the antichrist being a single individual? That must be proven. It can’t just be assumed.

    Secondly, it is clear that the first beast of Rev. 13 is described in the same way as the little horn of Dan. 7. In Dan. 7 we have 4 beasts and 10 horns, plus the little horn, and in Dan. 2 we have 4 metals and 10 toes.

    According to Dan. 2, the fourth kingdom, Rome, would become “divided.” The Aramaic word for “divided” corresponds to the Hebrew word for “divided” used when referring to Peleg in Genesis and 1 Chronicles. Peleg was called Peleg because “in his days was the earth divided.” Most would probably agree that this is a reference to the Tower of Babel, when one people speaking one language was broken up into many peoples speaking many languages.

    Combine that with the declaration in Dan. 7 that the 10 horns are 10 kings that shall arise, arise out of the Roman Empire since they come out of the 4th beast, and I don’t see any possible way that this Nero hypothesis can be correct. The breaking up of the Roman Empire into 10 nations speaking different languages didn’t begin to happen until the very end of the 4th century, long, long after Nero was dead.

    Usually when historicists discuss the rise of the 10, they seem to emphasize the invasions of the Germanic, Teutonic peoples that produced the nations of western Europe, which of course is what happened. But the 10 horns are said to rise out of the 4th beast. They aren’t new beasts coming on the scene and conquering the 4th beast.

    What happened is that the Empire became weak over time to the point that it could no longer keep the illegal immigrants out. It then granted them amnesty, and paid them to guard the border. These Germanic tribes that became part of the Empire are called foederati or federates. So they were part of the 4th beast, and then declared their independence, as it were. That’s why the 10 horns are said to arise out of the 4th beast.

    That the papacy also arose out of the Empire would be difficult to deny. When Emperor Diocletian reorganized the Empire, he divided it up into political units called “dioceses.”

    In short, Nero did not arise after the 10, as Dan. 7 specifies. He certainly didn’t destroy 3 of the 10 nations referred to.

    Lastly, if I type into Google translator Nero Caesar, the resulting Hebrew contains a yod in each word, which is missing above, and which would add I think 2 x 10 to the sum. Can anyone explain why there is this discrepancy?

  • Bob Pickle

    This would be incorrect. Paul explicitly stated in 2 Th. 2 that that day could not come until the apostate power predicted in Daniel had come and gone.

  • Paul and the author of the Johannine letters taught:

    The mystery of lawlessness is already at work… Pray…that the word of the Lord may spread rapidly… [2 Thes 2:7; 3:1]

    The darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining…The world is passing away [“This world, as it is now, will not last much longer” – Today’s English Version], and also its lusts…It is the last hour [circa 100 A.D.]; and just as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen; from this we know that it is the last hour. [1 John 2:17,18]

    Notice how John’s certainty that “it is the last hour” was strengthened by his awareness that not just one, by “many” antichrists “have arisen!” That’s exactly what Jesus predicted [see Mat 24:4,23-25; Mk 13:5-6,21-23 & Lk 21:8], i.e., “many false Christs shall arise” right before the Son of Man comes!

  • Bob Pickle

    These are the verses I was thinking of:

    2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Now we beseech you, brethren, … That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    Paul died in the 60’s AD, and he didn’t believe Christ could return until after the little horn of Dan. 7 had come and gone, which of course is what Dan. 7 teaches. And given that Daniel says that the little horn would reign for 1260 days, which would be 1260 years just like the 490 days of ch. 9 are 490 years, then of course one has to wait until after the end of the little horn’s reign to say that Christ’s coming is soon.

    In Mat. 24 Jesus said that after the tribulation which would be cut short, the sun and moon would be darkened, and the stars would fall from heaven. It is at that point that He says that when we see all those things, His coming is one step away, at the door. The pope was taken captive and the papacy was abolished in 1798, persecution had almost totally ceased 25 years before, the great Dark Day occurred on May 19, 1780, and the stars fell on Nov. 13, 1833. So Christ’s return has been near, at the door, one step away, since 1833.

    This could not be said in 100 AD, even if John called that day the last hour, and said there were many antichrists. You still had to have the Roman Empire break up and the little horn arise among the 10.

  • Too much imaginative harmonizing, Paul with John, and the Bible with history. Such creative harmonizations ignore plenty of predictions of a soon coming Lord or soon coming Son of Man found in early authentic letters of Paul as well as the Gospels, other epistles and Revelation (not to mention a few weak attempts in the latter two Gospels, Acts, and later questionable epistles, to try and explain away the failed prophecies in the earlier more authentic writings).

    For a look at the wide array of “soon coming” passages in the NT and why the question of false prophecy is unavoidable, see https://infidels.org/kiosk/article/the-lowdown-on-gods-showdown-86.html

    And for a discussion of how and why OT prophecy became apocalyptic see https://historyforatheists.com/2018/12/jesus-the-apocalyptic-prophet/

  • Bob Pickle

    2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    Edward, Paul here goes so far as to say that the idea that Jesus’ second coming is imminent is a deception. I don’t think we can ignore what he plainly says here, and insist that the early Christians unitedly believed something different.

    I glanced at your article on infidels.org, which seems like an odd place to post an article. But I think your article overlooks a few things. One point would be that since the book of Revelation records things past, present, and future, of course some things would be about to take place at the time John wrote that book. The things described in the letter to Ephesus was going on at that very point in time. 5 kings had already fallen at that point in time. The dragon, secondarily representing pagan Rome, was already persecuting the woman at that very point in time, which is why John was on Patmos.

    And given that the earth is about 6000 years old, when the NT was written the world was already two thirds toward the end, and thus one could call that time “the last days.”

  • william Toth

    Bob, no disrespect intended, but the “young earth”(6000 years old) idea is myth, not fact. We have solid, archaeological evidence that civilizations existed more than 6000 years ago.

  • Bob Pickle

    What sort of solid evidence is that?

    The sacred record is pretty clear that the earth is about 6000 years old. Gen. 5 and 11 tell us how long it was between Creation and the Flood, and between the Flood and Abraham. Then we’ve got 430 years from Abraham leaving Haran until the Exodus, and 480 years from the Exodus until Solomon was building the temple. The biggest question would be how to fit together the various kings’ reigns between Solomon and Daniel being taken captive to Babylon, but there’s only so much possible deviation there. From Daniel being taken captive to Babylon until today, I don’t think there’s any question there at all.

    In short, there’s some flexibility at various points prior to 605 BC, but that flexibility doesn’t amount to 1000’s of years.

    You speak of solid evidence of civilizations. That’s a tougher one, since we wouldn’t have civilizations going strong in China, for example, until after the Tower of Babel in Peleg’s day. So it’s not like we can push the date of the Flood back 1000 years by using the numbers from the LXX, to account for supposed evidence of civilizations. The best we can do is use the LXX’s numbers going back to Peleg, and that amounts to only 350 to 450 years.

    My understanding is that the chronology of the ancient world is tied to the dynasties of ancient Egypt. Folks worked out a time line for those dynasties and then pegged the rest of the ancient world to that time line. If they found an artifact in such and such a place from Egyptian dynasty X, then that level in that tell was assigned the same age that had been assigned to dynasty X.

    But over time, the chronology of ancient Egypt has collapsed, since it has been discovered that some of those consecutive dynasties were actually contemporaneous, ruling in different parts of Egypt.

    So if you find a discrepancy between the date assigned to certain archaeological evidence, and the chronology of the sacred record, what that is really likely evidence of is that the assigned chronology of ancient civilizations needs to be collapsed some more.

    The speculation that a bunch of archaeological evidence survived the Flood doesn’t sound tenable at all.

  • william Toth

    of course, you’ve the right to your own beliefs, but facts are tough to ignore.

    http://godandscience.org/youngearth/age_of_the_earth.html

  • are you going to source anything, or just pretend you knew this?

  • Bob Pickle

    Could you explain your response? I gave you facts that ought to be tough to ignore, did I not?

    Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    That pretty much demolishes Mr. Deem’s speculations about the length of creation week, doesn’t it?

    But I asked you what sort of solid evidence, and you haven’t yet specified what you personally believe, after careful thought and analysis, constitutes solid evidence. All you provided was a link, leaving me to guess which part of that web page you think gives solid evidence.

    Look at his table, “Techniques for Measuring the Earth’s Age.” See what he left out of that table?

    * Lack of erosion between layers at the Grand Canyon, despite evolutionists thinking the contact point between layers represents 12 and 100+ million years in two specific cases: The layers were laid down so quickly, there wasn’t time for erosion to occur between layers.

    * Presence of Po-218 halos in Precambrian granites: The bedrock of the planet crystallized instantly rather than cooled over millions of years.

    * U and He levels in zircons from Precambrian granites that are way too high: Rather than 1.5 billion years old, those granites must be just thousands of years old.

    * Dinosaur bones containing soft tissue: Rather than being 65+ million years old, those fossils must be just thousands of years old.

    * Secondary U halos in Jurassic and Triassic coalified wood containing U/Pb ratios that are way too high: Deposition and coal formation occurred recently.

    So Mr. Deem had a predetermined set of religious beliefs before writing that article, and put in that table and article only the data and interpretations that support his particular religious beliefs.

    When attacking the Bible’s teachings, much better would it have been to put all the evidence on the table than to present the deceptive picture that he did. But the challenge is that atheists and skeptics are people too, and tend to only see what they are looking for. We all have that tendency. So perhaps Mr. Deem doesn’t know that his theories have already been falsified by scientific evidence.

  • Bob Pickle

    “But what about the person who is referred to as “The Beast”?”

    This sentence assumes to be true what must first be proven. Rev. 13 is obviously pointing back to Dan. 7, and in that chapter the four beasts represent four distinct kingdoms/governments, not four distinct persons.

    When the various Protestant reformers said that the antichrist prophecies were pointing at the Roman papal power, the papacy had to do something. So in the Counter Reformation, Jesuit scholars came up with alternative views on prophecy, preterism (antichrist was in the the distant past) and futurism (antichrist will be in the distant future). Both alternatives made the antichrist out to be a single individual, and to rule for 1260 literal days rather than 1260 years, in order to get the Bible off the papacy’s back.

    Were the Jesuit scholars correct about the antichrist being a single individual? That must be proven. It can’t just be assumed.

    Secondly, it is clear that the first beast of Rev. 13 is described in the same way as the little horn of Dan. 7. In Dan. 7 we have 4 beasts and 10 horns, plus the little horn, and in Dan. 2 we have 4 metals and 10 toes.

    According to Dan. 2, the fourth kingdom, Rome, would become “divided.” The Aramaic word for “divided” corresponds to the Hebrew word for “divided” used when referring to Peleg in Genesis and 1 Chronicles. Peleg was called Peleg because “in his days was the earth divided.” Most would probably agree that this is a reference to the Tower of Babel, when one people speaking one language was broken up into many peoples speaking many languages.

    Combine that with the declaration in Dan. 7 that the 10 horns are 10 kings that shall arise, arise out of the Roman Empire since they come out of the 4th beast, and I don’t see any possible way that this Nero hypothesis can be correct. The breaking up of the Roman Empire into 10 nations speaking different languages didn’t begin to happen until the very end of the 4th century, long, long after Nero was dead.

    Usually when historicists discuss the rise of the 10, they seem to emphasize the invasions of the Germanic, Teutonic peoples that produced the nations of western Europe, which of course is what happened. But the 10 horns are said to rise out of the 4th beast. They aren’t new beasts coming on the scene and conquering the 4th beast.

    What happened is that the Empire became weak over time to the point that it could no longer keep the illegal immigrants out. It then granted them amnesty, and paid them to guard the border. These Germanic tribes that became part of the Empire are called foederati or federates. So they were part of the 4th beast, and then declared their independence, as it were. That’s why the 10 horns are said to arise out of the 4th beast.

    That the papacy also arose out of the Empire would be difficult to deny. When Emperor Diocletian reorganized the Empire, he divided it up into political units called “dioceses.”

    In short, Nero did not arise after the 10, as Dan. 7 specifies. He certainly didn’t destroy 3 of the 10 nations referred to.

    Lastly, if I type into Google translator Nero Caesar, the resulting Hebrew contains a yod in each word, which is missing above, and which would add I think 2 x 10 to the sum. Can anyone explain why there is this discrepancy?

  • Bob Pickle

    “But what about the person who is referred to as “The Beast”?”

    This sentence assumes to be true what must first be proven. Rev. 13 is obviously pointing back to Dan. 7, and in that chapter the four beasts represent four distinct kingdoms/governments, not four distinct persons.

    When the various Protestant reformers said that the antichrist prophecies were pointing at the Roman papal power, the papacy had to do something. So in the Counter Reformation, Jesuit scholars came up with alternative views on prophecy, preterism (antichrist was in the the distant past) and futurism (antichrist will be in the distant future). Both alternatives made the antichrist out to be a single individual, and to rule for 1260 literal days rather than 1260 years, in order to get the Bible off the papacy’s back.

    Were the Jesuit scholars correct about the antichrist being a single individual? That must be proven. It can’t just be assumed.

    (To be continued)

  • Bob Pickle

    Secondly, it is clear that the first beast of Rev. 13 is described in the same way as the little horn of Dan. 7. In Dan. 7 we have 4 beasts and 10 horns, plus the little horn, and in Dan. 2 we have 4 metals and 10 toes.

    According to Dan. 2, the fourth kingdom, Rome, would become “divided.” The Aramaic word for “divided” corresponds to the Hebrew word for “divided” used when referring to Peleg in Genesis and 1 Chronicles. Peleg was called Peleg because “in his days was the earth divided.” Most would probably agree that this is a reference to the Tower of Babel, when one people speaking one language was broken up into many peoples speaking many languages.

    Combine that with the declaration in Dan. 7 that the 10 horns are 10 kings that shall arise, arise out of the Roman Empire since they come out of the 4th beast, and I don’t see any possible way that this Nero hypothesis can be correct. The breaking up of the Roman Empire into 10 nations speaking different languages didn’t begin to happen until the very end of the 4th century, long, long after Nero was dead.

    Usually when historicists discuss the rise of the 10, they seem to emphasize the invasions of the Germanic, Teutonic peoples that produced the nations of western Europe, which of course is what happened. But the 10 horns are said to rise out of the 4th beast. They aren’t new beasts coming on the scene and conquering the 4th beast.

    What happened is that the Empire became weak over time to the point that it could no longer keep the illegal immigrants out. It then granted them amnesty, and paid them to guard the border. These Germanic tribes that became part of the Empire are called foederati or federates. So they were part of the 4th beast, and then declared their independence, as it were. That’s why the 10 horns are said to arise out of the 4th beast.

    That the papacy also arose out of the Empire would be difficult to deny. When Emperor Diocletian reorganized the Empire, he divided it up into political units called “dioceses.”

    In short, Nero did not arise after the 10, as Dan. 7 specifies. He certainly didn’t destroy 3 of the 10 nations referred to.

    Lastly, if I type into Google translator Nero Caesar, the resulting Hebrew contains a yod in each word, which is missing above, and which would add I think 2 x 10 to the sum. Can anyone explain why there is this discrepancy?

  • One of many conflicts with this is how the “image of the Beast comes to life” like a robot or AI. People must worship this image that has come to life. Nero was already alive.. if your trying to draw conclusions. It may be that in that time was many prophecies fulfilled but History was destined to repeat until the final End. I believe it’s now. At what extent will fulfillment occur is still being unfolded. We in the developed nations may not see it all come to pass the way we have preconceived it. Most already know (even non Christians) not to take a Mark, except for China right now. They are giving up their freedom for a face(head) recognition credit system and soon to receive a RFID chip after the Beta testing is over.

  • bffuxit

    1 John 2:22 & 1 John 4:3

  • Bob Pickle

    Hi bffuxit.

    I looked at those texts, and I didn’t see anything in them that said that the antichrist power of Dan. 7; 8; Rev. 13 must be a single individual rather than the papal system. Therefore, I think we have to conclude at this point that there is no such Scripture.

    Consider that Dan. 7 explicitly says that the little horn power uproots three of the first horns by the roots. Since the first of the three to go was Odoacer’s Kingdom of Italy in 493 AD, then the little horn had to be on the scene by that date in time.

    Further, since the little horn is still around at the second coming, then there is no possible way for the little horn to be a single individual, since people don’t live that long. Not even Methuselah lived to be 1526 years long, which would be the age the antichrist would be this year if he annihilated Odoacer’s kingdom the year he was born.