Laudato Si on Abortion

Laudato Si on Abortion June 23, 2015

Since everything is interrelated, concern for the protection of nature is also incompatible with the justification of abortion. How can we genuinely teach the importance of concern for other vulnerable beings, however troublesome or inconvenient they may be, if we fail to protect a human embryo, even when its presence is uncomfortable and creates difficulties? “If personal and social sensitivity towards the acceptance of the new life is lost, then other forms of acceptance that are valuable for society also wither away”.

Don’t listen to the Right Wing Smear Machine tell you that Francis is a “Malthusian or that he is softening the Church’s teaching on abortion.  They are liars trying to stampede you in fear.  They care nothing about our Holy Faith.

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  • wlinden

    It was the Left Wing Noise Machine that keeps telling me that.

    • Rebecca Fuentes

      I’m beginning to think it’s all one noise machine. The noisiest ones aren’t going to read the encyclical, though. Much more fun to rant and rave and get other people who won’t read it into a lather.

  • One particular right wing Catholic blogger (who shall go unnamed) continued to push the “Francis is a Malthusian and he is softening the Church’s teaching on abortion” argument until the actual encyclical was released. Now she’s upset that the Pope mentioned air conditioning. Or something.

  • Na

    Of course, if you are pastoral and care about the actual impact and not just checking boxes, I don’t think the encyclical will have any (positive) impact on the pro-life cause.

    Katrina vanden Heuvel, the editor of the Nation magazine, had effusive praise for the encyclical. If there was any possibility this encyclical would have any impact on “women’s rights” she would have torn the Pope apart.

    • Jamesthelast

      Why do you say that? Laudato Si sets up a proper anthropology that doesn’t allow for something as awful as abortion.

      • Na

        What matters is not what the encyclical says on page 102. But how it is interpreted, presented and lived.

        • Hezekiah Garrett

          Exactly. It doesn’t matter what the successor of Peter teaches, but how that teaching gets twisted.

        • chezami

          Pure relativism from the Postmodern right. It’s not what the document says but how I subjectively choose to read it in order to feel offended and blabber about the “spirit” of it bothering me or frightening me.

          • Na

            Mark, it is not relativism. The document says what it says. What will actually impact the world or the church is how it is interpreted. Just like right wingers believe the first amendment guarantees “freedom of religion” but liberals have started down the path of re-defining this right as “freedom of worship”. Once they do. Once they divide the country and win a couple elections by attacking religious bigots, it won’t matter what the words on the page won’t matter.

            The same applies to the encyclical. In fact, it is even more severe in this case because the Pope is addressing the world today, not 200 years from now, and has a duty to be pastoral. An easy parallel is healthcare, the left will advanced their agenda, not really fix the problem, disguard the “useful idiots” (as they consider them) and promote more abortion. Sounds like a real win for humanity.

            • chezami

              So very postmodern. It’s not the text, it how it make you feel.

              • Na

                again..postmodern implies that text doesn’t mean what it plainly means …I know what the text means…I also have a reasonable idea how the text will be interpreted and impact the world.

                for example, a bishop could rightly preach about the “importance of conscience” but when they do so in a world seaped in moral relativism and individualism, it is a grave disservice and NOT pastoral.

  • JM1001

    The weird thing about calling Francis a Malthusian is that, back in January, Francis called his predecessor Paul VI a “prophet” for telling us to “watch out for the Neo-Malthusianism that is coming.”

    But everyone got so hyper-focused on the “rabbits” comment that I guess that part got lost in all the controversy and noise.

    • chezami

      It’s not weird. It’s a brazen lie of an unscrupulous and lying Right Wing Noise Machine that will spray any bullshit at an enemy designated for destruction. “Communist! Antichrist! Malthusian!” Any lie will do to stampede the herd of suckers that suckle on the lies of that Noise Machine.

      • Na

        Mark, just to clarify a couple of points…the Pope has given multiple talks where he has spoken favorably about Communism. Is that not correct?

        Also, the Pope specifically said that the world has finite resources. He also seems to intimate that increasing economic activity will have no appreciable impact on poverty. The only lasting solution is less consumption and any additional consumption will have a significant negative impact on the environment. What other positions would the Pope have to hold before he could rightly be considered a Malthusian? Catholic families, fixed resources, no economic progress…we all die.

        One of the primary reasons that Abraham Lincoln was able to lead a fractured, divided country through a firestorm of strife to a more united, more just union was his magnanimity. In the words of St Paul, politically, he allowed himself to become all things to all. Perhaps, you receive lots of e-mail every day from ex-right wingers explaining how one of these posts caused them to see the light. But I am fairly certain you would receive a lot more e-mails if you tried being magnanimous, engaging and thoughtful.

        • Hezekiah Garrett

          Of course. If you suggest that resources aren’t commodities, Or acknowledge the positives of our ideological enemies, you must be a shortsighted English mathematician in the early enlightenment.

          Besides, If the Pope were really any good at all, he’d be more like an American politician, which all right thinking people recognize as paragons of virtue.

        • Joseph

          He’ also spoken favourably on Capitalism. What he doesn’t favour is when both systems fail to recognise God as the source of all power and that people or things are not expendable based on their *worth* to the State/Market (utilitarianism). Both systems result in human slavery when God is thrown into the dustbin.

          • Na

            Please provide the link where he spoke favorable about capitalism?
            I am sure I could provide at least 10 links where the Pope speaks positively about Communism as some sort of secret Christian ideal. That is quite a statement about an ideology that literally killed 100s of millions of people last century. Apparently, they must have been so right about economics that they had to be terribly wrong about everything else. Do you think the Pope ever wonders why Christianity always comes under attack in Communist countries. Is it merely bad luck?

            What is important is that God is the source of all dignity not power.

            • chezami

              Try reading Laudato Si.

              • Na

                I have read your snipets. I was disappointed that Pope didn’t mention the millions of Asians that have lifted out of poverty over the last 50 years. This must be worth something.

                • chezami

                  My snippet are just that. Snippets. You are missing a lot. But don’t let your ignorance get in the way of some good baseless accusation.

                  • Na

                    really…i am ignorant because i chose to read snippets, summaries and critiques? …is this part of the new Evangelical spirit? I made an effort to understand the Pope’s thinking even though I have left the church and knew i wouldn’t agree. I thought I am supposed to accompanied with joy. Oh well, perhaps I am just not committing the cool sins. Either way, I am starting to become more certain that this is not the community founded in the name of the one who thirsts from the cross.

                    btw….you may be entirely right in all of political, cultural and religious critiques…but you still owe Governor Huckabee a clarification and apology. Either through a deliberate choice or gross incompetence, you ignored the Governor’s clear characterization that Josh Duggar’s acts were “inexcusable” and “disgusting”.

                    • chezami

                      No. Largely what you’ve done is make effort to look for complaints, loopholes, accusations, and ammo.

                    • Na

                      now you read hearts. exactly how is that different than judging?

                    • chezami

                      Can’t read hearts. Can read words.

                    • wineinthewater

                      “I made an effort to understand the Pope’s thinking even though I have left the church and knew i wouldn’t agree.”

                      If you knew that you would not agree, that indicates that your have closed your mind to the actual content of what the pope had to say. Such an attitude is utterly incompatible with actually trying to understand.

                    • Na

                      you are right wine…..i should have said “thought” i wouldn’t agree.

                • Marthe Lépine

                  By the way, I have probably read that argument about “millions that have lifted out of poverty” dozens of times, but I have yet to see the source and distribution of these statistics, and what is meant by “poverty” and having been “lifted” out of poverty, including a comparison of the lifestyles of, for example, family farmers who have been able to feed their families without money, and factory workers who do get money, but in insufficient amounts to feed their families.

            • wineinthewater

              I’d be interested in reading one.

              Keep in mind that there is a difference between the Common Good, Communitarianism, Communism and Socialism that most American pundits ignore.

      • I can appreciate how someone who knows Pope Francis isn’t a “Communist! Antichrist! or Malthusian!” but calls him those things, would be a liar. But, what about the confused person who actually believes this, would it be correct to call her a liar?

        • chezami

          If you call somebody antichrist and commie without even have read them, you may not be a liar, but you are a libeler and a slanderer–and you hate your victims living guts. But with Catholics who indulge and promote this crap should know better. I’m looking at you, Pewsitter: you guys are a cowardly stain on the Church.