God Love Chris Christie for This!

God Love Chris Christie for This! November 2, 2015

He gives a beautiful, compassionate, humane, and emotional speech on being consistently prolife toward those struggling with addiction.

Watch this. It’s only six minutes. His finest moment in the campaign.

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  • Brian

    Thank you very much for posting this. Absolutely worth sharing.

  • This is one of the reasons that I hold onto the libertarian policy recommendation of relegalizing marijuana, opioids, cocaine, and the like. It reduces the barriers to seeking treatment.

    • Mike

      how about making recreational use of those things illegal but if you are addicted to them they they are legal? That way you protect society and ppl who flirt with the stuff and the ppl who are addicted by making it legal but also making treatment mandatory.

      • I don’t want the courts dividing the users into groups, especially when it can be hard even for professional SA and MH counselors to tell who’s “recreational” (and the truly recreational are pretty harmless, as with recreational drinkers), who’s self-medicating for emotional problems, who’s self-medicating for clinical depression or schizophrenia or what have you, who’s addicted after their pain management prescriptions have run out, and all the rest.
        Marijuana is absolutely the first one I’d pick this fight over, as it has demonstrated usefulness as an adjuvant to both chemotherapy and AIDS.
        And even when people are mandated into treatment, if they don’t think they have a problem, or lack the motivation to address their problems, it does absolutely no good whatsoever.

        • Mike

          i don’t want to see marij legalized bc i have a brother who began with it and is now living in a men’s shelter bc of other drugs, ppl laugh that it’s a gateway drug but in my experience it is defn. in fact i’ve never known a person who hadn’t tried it first, myself included.

          but i understand why ppl want it decriminalized…then again i am 100% against having a nation of stoners and once legal i think kids would have a much easier source as it would be legal of course and ppl could have it in their houses like beer.

          drug abuse has a deeper cause though i think…mostly broken families and shallow culture imho.

          • I am very sorry to hear about your brother. I pray that he’ll seek and make use of the help he needs.

            Conditions are different here from those places in Europe which have merely decriminalized marijuana, but their experience has generally been a decline in use. Our experience with alcohol prohibition might be a better analogy; we definitely had a giant spike in usage when it ended, but we also had a huge drop in violent crime over alcohol trafficking. At this point, I think alcohol abuse is perhaps lower than it was prior to prohibition, but it is over 80 years after repeal.

            Some decent educational programs regarding the hazards of use, of not merely marijuana but perhaps also The Pill, funded to nearly the point of those “thetruth.com” ads they’re doing for tobacco, strikes me as less harmful than our current policy regime. Tobacco use has declined steadily for years.

            • Mike

              Thanks but how will i explain to my kids that pot is bad for them if it becomes legal and every lefty celebrity promotes it and it becomes a part of every movie and song and pres hillary is saying it’s not worse than alcohol.

              I am worried that ppl like me will be ostracized and ridiculed for wanting to protect their kids from becoming stoners. i’ve seen how pot can make ppl lazy and stupid BUT think they are not, whereas beer gives you a quick high but lets you know very clearly in the morning that it’s bad for you…drugs otoh have a strange way of telling you that everything’s ok.

              • chezami

                What do you tell them about alcohol and tobacco?

                • Mike

                  that they’re not like pot bc they are not part of western tradition (and worldwide tradition probably) and are not like that drug which alters your state of mind. i will tell them that alcohol can be a very good thing. at mass it’s served even. i will tell them that smoking is bad for their lungs but that it won’t change their perception of reality.

                  i think that pot is on a totally different level than both those things. culturally pot is nowhere near tobacco and alcohol but ultimately it changes ppl which those things don’t.

                  i’ve known many drunks and they all say the next morning that they did something bad and wrong; i’ve also known some pot heads but NEVER would they admit that what they did was wrong.

                  for my brother it was a gate way drug. i know ppl ridicule ppl like me who say this but it is a fact. plus in university everyone i knew who went on to do E, K, G and coke and worse started with pot. BUT many many many ppl who only drank NEVER did any of those things.

                  i fear also for what so-called civil liberties orgs will do to ppl who continue to teach their kids that it is bad for them and who don’t want “pot advocates” at their local library of community center giving a free talk on “the benefits of pot”.

                  pot should be treated like smoking only worse. ppl should be embarrassed and ashamed to say they get high – but the opposite is true.

              • Telling them the truth, along with how you know it, is probably your best bet. You’ve seen people use pot, and it made them stupid. Cocaine is an anesthetic, and tends to deaden your ability to feel anything without it. Oioids don’t so much remove your pain as make you not care about it — or anything else.

                • Mike

                  thx but i despair to think of how hard it will be to offset the power of hollywood, academia and even the most important politicians telling everyone that it is a great leap forward and a sign of our progressive we are that something as benign as pot is finally legal. compare that to a parent who is seen inevitably as just a square another naysayer.

  • It would interest me to find out what were the barriers to getting the help needed for a drug addicted, highly paid lawyer because that’s exactly the kind of person who supposedly has the easiest time doing it.

    • Stu

      Stigma perhaps. I think our national ethos of rugged individualism makes admitting addiction difficult. Same thing, in my opinion, for mental health issues. We simply don’t address that problem set very well and it’s effects are far reaching.

      • At least on mental health, there is a very large component of legal issues and ideological browbeating that has led to our current tragic state of affairs. I can’t help someone I don’t know to get over themselves enough to seek help. That takes personal contact imo. But if there’s legal issues, that’s something that I can contribute to fixing.

  • jroberts548

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/chris-christie-enforce-marijuana-illegal-2016-120769

    Christie doesn’t care about drug users. Christie, as president, would want to fill the prisons with pot smokers. This is not the outgrowth of a consistent ethic.

    • chezami

      Always important to belittle what is good and emphasize what is bad.

      • jroberts548

        No, we shouldn’t pretend that someone who wants to fill federal prisons with drug users has a consistent pro-life ethic as regards drug users. He doesn’t.

        Christie is running for president. His policies matter. His feels don’t. As regards his policies, there’s no good to belittle here. There is only his desire to exercise his enforcement discretion against drug users.

        • Ye Olde Statistician

          Pretty sure the prisons are already full of drug users.

          • jroberts548

            Fine, Christie (having no sense of moderation at all) wants the prisons to be more than full. This is not reflective of a consistent pro-life ethic.

    • Stu

      One could target traffickers as criminals all while treating a bulk of users as addicts who need medical help. I think that is the distinction that is lost in this country.

      • Stu
      • jroberts548

        One could, but there’s no way to really do that without legalizing possession of small amounts (I guess equivalent to a few ounces of weed). If you don’t do that, you’re not really removing barriers to treatment. (Some sort of amnesty program could work too, but the very word inspires an allergic reaction among GOP voters).

        • Stu

          Go to the link I posted below. I think there are approaches like that.

        • iamlucky13

          Barring prosecution of anybody who proactively seeks treatment for addiction would be pretty effective in making that distinction, I should think.

        • Sue Korlan

          There uused to be, I don’t know if it still exists, a federal program that allowed addicts to go through treatment instead of prison. Heroin only. They came to the local high school to give talks. They didn’t make the drugs legal; they removed your conviction if you stayed clean.

  • Peggy

    Good on Christie, but dealing with addictions and/or alcoholism is complex. The addict won’t feel compelled to quit for the longterm without serious consequences hanging over his head. So, legal consequences should not be eliminated entirely.
    Whether the current forms of consequences are helpful to that end, is something to consider indeed. Many people will go through treatment or go to meetings to get people/law off their back and then when things die down they’re back at it. Of course one hopes to inspire the addict to better things while he’s compelled to participate in some treatment. Many find it a badge of honor that it took them x treatment centers and y relapses to get it together. Well, it’s not really impressive to others who got it more readily.

    Europe takes a different approach to treatment programs than the US does. I think it was the Atlantic I read it in. Worth considering in my view.
    Yes I’ve worked with people in these situations.

  • johnnysc

    One thing to note though. Nobody is robbing or killing someone to get a cigarette.