The Gospel of American Jesus

The Gospel of American Jesus April 24, 2019

An Excerpt from Matthew 5-6, American Dream Version (ADV)

The Beatitudes 

Now when American Jesus was invited to speak at Harvard Business School, he went up to the podium. Future American leaders leaned in, and he began to teach them.

He said:

“Blessed are those who scheme to be rich,
    for America is theirs.
Blessed are those who turn away from those who suffer,
    for life is more comfortable that way.
Blessed are the arrogant,
    for they dominate the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for control,
    for they are satisfied.
Blessed are the ruthless,
    for their enemies are crushed.
Blessed are the obsessive,
    for they will see God.
Blessed is the Military Industrial Complex,
    for they send millions to meet their Maker.
10 Blessed are those who stifle dissent,
    for they maintain control of America.

11 “Blessed are you when people praise you, laud you and say wondrous things about you for following my example. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in America, for in the same way they praise the rich and powerful who made America Great.

. . . . .

Crush your Enemies

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, do not merely resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek (or is even thinking about striking you on the right cheek), strike them down. Strike down their families. Strike down their villages. Strike down their nation, so that even their descendants live in fear. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take your coat, take everything they hold dear and laugh; 41 and if anyone forces you to go one mile, force them, by any means necessary, to go one hundred miles. 42 Give to none who beg from you, for that enables laziness, and refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you, for that promotes idleness and entitlement.

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 And I say to you, despise your enemies and preemptively bomb or drone those who defy you (or defy your ally or have natural resources vital to your sense of security), 45 so that you may be children of your God; for He makes his sun rise on the good, and sends rain on the righteous while bringing darkness to the wicked and drought to the unrighteous.”

Charitable Giving as Brand Amplification

6 “Be sure to do good deeds in full view of everyone; especially if it creates an amazing photo op. Being well esteemed is useful, and one of the ways God blesses you.

“If you want to be a philanthropist, send out a press release. And try to get booked on Oprah. Truly I tell you, this will not only give you tax benefits, but will allow you to push your agenda under the illusion of compassion. When setting up your foundation or charity, make sure you use every opportunity to broadcast your work as a way of amplifying your brand so that your generosity is acknowledged by all. Then your Father, will take pleasure in your success.

Spirituality is Hot Right Now

“And when you pray, don’t be like a nun, for nuns stay hidden away, praying quietly and in secret. Truly I tell you, they’re missing a great opportunity to use spirituality to expand their platform. 6 Use spirituality as part of your brand. When you pray, do it in public after a major tragedy, preferably on live television. The press will eat that shit up. And the public will reward you. And when you talk about religion and spirituality, make sure it stays on-message and is useful for your larger agenda. Don’t let yourself get tripped up in a need for authenticity or honesty; seize the moment. 

“This, then, is how you should pray:

“Awesome God,
you are powerful beyond measure,
10 you have Blessed America, making it Great,
spreading our greatness,
    to the ends of the earth.
11 May we become prosperous from oil, fracking, and big ag.
12 And also through the wealth generated by workers
    (don’t mention the growing disparity between rich and poor).
13 So we can enjoy every delight imaginable,
     which is our unique birthright as Americans.’

. . . . .

Fine Dining

16 “When you dine, dress for success. 17 When choosing a restaurant, make sure it is only a Michelin-Star restaurants, or at least at another place frequented by the rich and powerful, 18 so that it will become obvious to them that you’re cut from the same cloth, and deserve to be there. You will be rewarded.

Treasures on Earth

19 “Store up for yourselves treasures on earth, but make to keep your liquid assets secure and in an off-shore account. And keep your real assets adequately insured and protected. 20 If you’re going to be generous, make sure there is something in it for you. Don’t ever fall into the easy trap of caring too much for a cause. 21 Use your wealth for pleasure and power…

24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both yourself and the “needy.” 

Secure Yourselves

25 “If you follow my advise, you won’t need to worry about things, what you eat or drink or wear. 26 Look at Dennis Muilenburg, CEO of Boeing, who makes things like airliners and military jets; he makes at least $18 million a year and is set for life. 27 Can you imagine your own path to success? Plan now to secure your future. 

28 “Want to dress for success? It’s smart to start with places like Saks Fifth Avenue or Neiman Marcus, but the truly successful go with something bespoke from Ermenegildo Zegna. 29 Not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed in one of these. 30 You’ve got to have faith in yourself, and be willing to fight for your success. 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 Poor people worry about crap like this. Follow my advise and just get the best. 33 Seek first your own American Dream, and everything will fall into place. 34 Plan for the future, execute your plan, and the world is yours. 

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  • Scott

    South American Jesus or Central American Jesus? Just trying to get clarification.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Traitor-TЯ卐m₽ and his deluded TOADS “American Jesus”.

    2 Thessalonians 2:9-12:

    9) “The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,

    10) and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

    11) For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

    12) and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.”

  • Tammy Mills Hanley

    I want to post the biggest WOW face possible. This is it :o) What a powerful re-statement of the Beatitudes as they are being lived right now. Great writing!

  • hrk58

    Thought provoking article which also makes me very sad. Although I hope that the majority of Christian Americans (USA) do not feel this way simply because they aren’t that way, there are many, too many, who aren’t living the compassionate and loving life that God, and reiterated by Christ, would have us live.

  • Scott

    Still wondering if it’s South American Jesus, North American Jesus, or Central American Jesus.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    I think we all know who and what “America” this article is talking about.

    And no, I didn’t upvote myself. I don’t need to.
    To see who upvoted my comment, just click on the upvote-arrow and the name(s) will be revealed.
    You can always cancel your vote by clicking on the arrow again.

  • Scott

    I travel to Central America frequently and it’s a source of annoyance when people from the United States refer to themselves as being from America.

    Regarding the authors post, it’s hyperbole at best, blame “America” at worst.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    It’s just a figure of speech, a mode of expression … no need to get bent out of shape about it.

    What you should be getting bent out of shape about is the hideous monster in the ‘Offal’ Office
    and what that obscene Beast is doing to our country … “America” … (the United States of).

  • Scott

    First, I did not get bent out of shape. Regarding Trump, the sooner he’s gone the better but progressives really need to change their approach or you’ll see four more years of the orange guy. They’ve become literally bat shit crazy on so many fronts.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    We may already be doomed on that front. If TЯ卐m₽ is the Beast, as I suspect and the Scriptures confirm (Revelation 13), then he’ll either lose the election and refuse to give up power or he’ll win.

    The Scriptures also declare that “the whole world will follow after him, whose names are not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life”.

    Not sure the Dems and Progs can do anything except present their policies and personal characters in contrast to TЯ卐m₽’s.
    There’ll be a clear choice on Election Day, 2020.

    Those who still support, defend, condone and then vote for TЯ卐m₽ >–> the Beast, will be cementing the Mark of the Beast,
    which they chose back in 2016, firmly in their own foreheads and hands.

  • KingstonJack

    For a start, I agree with you concerning the president of the USA – an obscene man doing his best to lead the country in an obscene direction, one beautifully observed by this “extract” by Mark Van Steenwyk.

    However, I think it is entirely appropriate to get “bent out of shape” by the practice of referring to the US as “America”. The US is not the whole of two continents. It certainly does not represent the best interests of Canada, which it condescends to. Nor does it unite itself with the people of either Central or South America. Rather it despises them and actively works to exploit and oppress them.

    By referring to themselves as “Americans”, they are making it normative that they are entitled to determine who is and who is not American. By saying it’s “just a figure of speech, a mode of expression”, it’s actually saying, “We ‘Americans’ are free to dictate what’s acceptable and we will not listen nor respect any who are not us”. I, for one, will never be comfortable with the machinations of the “American” empire and its failure to consider its responsibilities to the wider world.

  • Scott

    Think you’re taking the left behind series and Revelation a bit too literal.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    No, I’m not. I’m talking about today’s current events. I’m talking about the description of the Beast laid out in the Scriptures.

    The “Rapture” already happened, 2,000 years ago. Some time between Pentecost and the Destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, when Christ returned for his Firstfruits … and before the Christian Church became corrupt. – Matthew 16:28

    We are the “Left Behind” or more accurately, our ancestors were … we are the Tribulation Saints … that is, if your name is written in the Lamb’s Book of Life! It’s your choice though, whether your name remains or is blotted out. Beware whom you follow.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Don’t you think that people in the United States of America referring to themselves as “Americans” is rather an insignificant issue, even a moot point, in light of the outrageous and blatant corruption at the top of our country right now? People around the world call us “Americans” and for the most part, and because of our “condescending” it’s not a compliment.

    Anyhow, it wasn’t me who brought up the “Americans” issue it was that other guy, Scott. And geez, what’s so damn “respectable” about calling yourself an “American”? Especially in today’s political climate.

    I’m sure, in light of today’s current events, most (if not all) Canadians, Central American and South American people, are far more proud to identify themselves as citizens of their various countries … such as Canadians, Uruguayans, Peruvians, Chileans, etc.

    PS: I haven’t been “comfortable” with our Empire since the late 1960’s … so get off your high-horse and stop making a mountain out of a molehill, worry about today’s important issue, stick with the BIG ISSUE.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    The “Left Behind” series is a hoax perpetrated by today’s “Harlot of Babylon” Evangelical churches, whom 81% of their members surrendered their souls, willingly, to TЯ卐m₽ >–> the Beast.

    And Revelation is the Word of God, so if you’re gonna mock and revile it, better take that up with a Higher Authority.

  • Scott

    Much debate on whether it should have even been included in the canon.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    By which authority do you make that claim? Pray, do supply a reputable link, as I never heard of that.

    Anyway, how could the written words of John, the beloved disciple of Christ … who dictated much of Revelation directly to John,
    not be “included in the cannon”?

  • Scott

    Different John. Highly unlikely it was the same John. Regarding its insertion into the canon, Elaine Pagels, a well-known author of biblical history, as well as a professor of religion at Princeton University, says putting the Revelation in the New Testament was a mistake, the result of a misunderstanding. Plethora of biblical scholars agree with this position.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Says right in there, if you bothered to read it, that it is John, the original disciple of Christ.

  • Scott

    You do know that the copiests took liberty while copying the manuscripts? We have no original documents. The earliest manuscript may be from the middle of the 2nd century.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    True, then neither do you have any evidence that Revelation was not written by John.

  • KingstonJack

    I find it absolutely hilarious that a progressive Christian blog has attracted a biblical literalist as a follower! Seriously, if you genuinely believe that “the beloved disciple” wrote anything at all then you really have missed the progressive bus. There isn’t a genuine bible scholar anywhere in the world who thinks that a Galilean fisherman wrote a book in the second century. Perhaps “the beloved disciple” spent a hundred years learning how to read and write?

    I agree that the president of the US is a problem, but he is just the figurehead of the whole edifice of the US empire. Quoting scripture out of context doesn’t actually help address the problem. And a literalist reading of one questionable book and then applying it without any critique to the modern era doesn’t help either.

  • Bones

    The false prophet in Revelation was Paul and the book was written by an Ebionite (or Judaizer).

    The churches condemned in rev 2 were Pauline churches which the Jewish author condemned for eating meat sacrificed to idols – a condition given by the apostles to Paul which he disregarded. The adultery is just a way of describing heresy.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    And I find it appalling that a denier and scoffer of Scripture pretends to know anything about God or the Bible.

    You think it’s okay to misinterpret the Word of God to fit your own agenda? I certainly don’t care what so-called “Bible scholars” say to discredit the Scriptures … I go with what God’s Word says, not what some phony “Bible scholar” or what a shallow unbeliever like you claims!

    Who says John didn’t know how to read and write? All Jewish boys were educated. Jesus Himself was educated.

    Only deceitful unbelievers like you, looking for lying excuses to undermine the God’s Word, seek to invent conspiracies.
    But as usual, unbelievers, scoffers and mockers, like you, fail miserably. – Matthew 7:6

    Furthermore, what does being a Progressive Christian have to do with believing the Scriptures? Again, your ignorance is blatantly obvious … as the definition of a Christian, whether Progressive or not, is believing that our Lord Jesus IS our Savior and that the Word of God is TRUE.

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  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Really stretching there, eh “Bones”.

    The Church “condemnations” in Revelation 2 are still relevant for today’s “Harlot of Babylon” churches. That is why it’s quite obvious that Christ returned for His firstfruits before the 1st Century Church became utterly corrupt. – Matthew 16:28

    Corruption in the 1st Century Christian Church was already beginning when John, receiving direct communications from Christ and his Angels, was given instructions as to what was to be written in the Book of Revelation.

    You can deny and invent your own interpretations as much as you like … doesn’t change the Power and Truth of God’s Holy Word.
    Only brings your own soul damnation! – Revelation 22:18-19

  • billwald

    Seems like GOD is the god of Heaven but Satan is the god of this world. As a lifetime Christian, I can’t explain what I see and the history I read.That’s OK, I’m to old to worry about it and the Christian God has taken care of me for 79 years.

  • billwald

    OK, but this has been the situation for 2,000 years. How many more people does God need in Hell?

  • billwald

    The entire world since A&E got kicked out of the Garden. Human has not changed and we are not smarter or more civilized than the ancient Greeks and Romans.

  • Scott

    That’s just not a statement that you can backup. We are far smarter and more civilized. The expansion of science in the fields of medicine and quantum mechanics are things that the Greeks and Romans couldn’t even comprehend. Plus we aren’t feeding people to lions for sport. Plus I think the garden story is more metaphorical.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Nope, never before in the history of mankind, has a Beast arisen who has had access to a nuclear arsenal capable of wiping out all life on Earth. Furthermore, God doesn’t “need” people in Hell. People choose Hell by choosing the Dark Side over the Light Side, such as what happened in 2016 when 81% of Evangelicals chose TЯ卐m₽ >–> the Beast instead of remaining faithful to Christ.

  • Thanks for a great article Mark. I see the Christian (part of the) World is in bad shape. I think we need to pray for America (and the World). Thank God there is hope.

  • Kyllein MacKellerann “

    Sounds like a classic Evangelical sermon to me…or the suggestions of the alleged “Satan” being whispered from the pulpit. This is NOT what the Gallilean Carpenter taught in any way, shape or form.

  • Martha Fisher

    Those without sin cast the first stone

  • Ron McPherson

    Even Martin Luther, the great reformer, didn’t believe Revelation, along with James and Jude, should be included as part of the Canon. And the fact that it was John the Apostle who penned Revelation is highly disputable for a variety of reasons. I’m not arguing one way or another, but we really just don’t know.

  • Ron McPherson

    “Besides, says right in the Book of Revelation, if you bothered to read it, that it is he, John, the original disciple of Christ.“

    No it doesn’t. The author identifies himself by the name of John, but never claims to be one of the 12. The claim it was the apostle was put forth by Justin Martyr in the 2nd century, but other contemporaries of his claimed otherwise. Identification with the apostle has just been handed down by tradition. Not trying to be argumentative, just factual.

  • Ivan T. Errible

    Why do all the churches have delusions of relevance? You’re shrinking away faster than the polar ice caps and yet both you and the Fundiegelicals keep screaming as if you had something original to say.

  • Ivan T. Errible

    There is no god. Stop pretending that the Earth/Universe cares about you in the least.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    So if “we just don’t know” who the hell are you to even dare and claim that the Books of Revelation, James, John and Jude are not approved and inspired by God to be part of the New Testament Scriptures?

    Again I ask, by what authority do you make your claims? So far, you have provided NOTHING except more of the same radical-fanatical atheism. No documentation, no reputable links, NOTHING! Just more surmising of unverifiable conspiracies?

    Silly me, just another false prophet, babbling, accusing, and projecting onto others what you believe yourself?
    At least my opinion(s) are based on FAITH in God the Father, Jesus Christ, the Son … our Savior, and the Holy Spirit!

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Actually, we’re not. Only arrogance makes us believe that we’re smarter or more civilized than former Empires and Civilizations.
    And here you are, proving that point … right in front of our eyes.

  • Ron McPherson

    “So if “we just don’t know” who the hell are you to even dare and claim that the Books of Revelation, James, John and Jude are not approved and inspired by God to be part of the New Testament Scriptures?“

    Um, I’m not claiming anything. That would be you without doing the background work and being surprised that Revelation was not universally accepted in putting it into the Canon. You asked for evidence and then get all pissy when it’s presented to you.

    As to your beef about James and Jude, all I did was tell you how Luther felt. Not sure why you felt the need to vent on me for telling you about facts that you could have found yourself with just a tad bit of research. I’ve made no claim one way or another so you can save your pissy attitude for something valid next time.

    “Again I ask, by what authority do you make your claims?”

    What claims have I made other than to tell you what Luther thought? If that’s what is causing your attitude, then don’t take my word for it. Research it yourself. It’s not a secret what he thought (well unless you just swallow everything your tribe tells you without checking yourself).

    “So far, you have provided NOTHING except more of the same radical-fanatical atheism.”

    I’m a Christian LOL. Apparently anybody that posts something that brings tension to your claims becomes an atheist to you. It’s attitudes like yours that causes atheists not to take Christians seriously.

    “No documentation, no reputable links, NOTHING! Just more surmising of unverifiable conspiracies?”

    Documentation for what? What unverifiable conspiracy have I asserted lol?

  • Ron McPherson

    I can’t help but point out the irony in you using the Internet to actually claim that we’re no more smarter or civilized than the ancient Greeks or Romans

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Correction: You’re no Christian if you claim that Christ did not speak directly to, and inspire the Words and warnings, which
    John, the beloved disciple, wrote down in Revelation.

    As posted above, all of your opinions are unverifiable conspiracy theories, mostly generated by atheists, false prophets and
    wolves in sheep’s clothing. As expected, you have not provided documentation as to what Martin Luther King “thought”.
    Maybe because there ain’t none. Just your made up stuff.

    Next you’ll be claiming that the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles are not part of the “cannon” either.
    We have been warned about people (liars) like you, by Jesus Himself. – Matthew 7:15

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    That doesn’t mean other civilizations were not as smart or civilized.

    Remember, the Internet is on built on thousands of years of discoveries and inventions … which were made by those people you so flippantly label as not being as smart as you. Hah! You prove your own stupidity by even claiming that.

  • Ron McPherson

    “Correction: You’re no Christian if you claim that Christ did not speak directly to, and inspire the Words and warnings, which
    John, the beloved disciple, wrote down in Revelation.“

    I haven’t made any claims to my beliefs about Scripture. And the author of Revelation never makes the claim of being one of the twelve either. It’s not there. If you believe that he is, fine. But you won’t get it from the Bible. Oh, and whether or not one believes the author was John the son of Zebedee has nothing whatever to do with whether or not one is a Christian. Now you’re just making stuff up.

    “As posted above, all of your opinions are unverifiable conspiracy theories, mostly generated by atheists, false prophets and
    wolves in sheep’s clothing. As expected, you have not provided documentation as to what Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. “thought”.
    Maybe because there ain’t none. Just your made up stuff.”

    LOLOL!!! Um, I never made any claims about MLK. I referenced the 16th century reformer, Martin Luther. Good grief. If you’re going to get all hot and bothered about something and lash out at people, at least try not to look so damned ignorant. But you may just be playing a joke on us, so there is that possibility. If so, that’s a good one.

    “Next you’ll be claiming that the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles are not part of the “cannon” either.
    We have been warned about people (liars) like you, by Jesus Himself. – Matthew 7:15”

    I haven’t made any personal claims about the Canon one way or another. Next time before you’re so quick to pin the label of false prophet and liar upon someone, take a class on reading comprehension first.

  • Ron McPherson

    You’re playing a joke on us, aren’t you? Seriously, come clean

  • ProchDolor

    Reminds me a bit of Mark Twain’s “The War Prayer.”

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Okay, so I caught that it is 15th Century Martin Luther whom you claim “didn’t believe Revelation”. The very fact that it was
    Martin Luther, not MLK, whom you referenced, is even more of a ludicrous claim to pretend you know what he thought …
    400 years ago.

    And by making that false claim, you indirectly made them your own personal false claims.
    Do you also claim to be a time-traveling mind-reader too? That’s about sums up your heretic claim(s).

    Martin Luther, posted 95 Theses, wherein the Catholic Church went against Scripture, and you dare to falsely claim he didn’t believe that Revelation, John, James and Jude were part of the Inspired Word of God?

    Furthermore, Martin Luther, the Great Reformer, was first person to translate and print the Bible into the German language.
    Doesn’t sound like someone who “didn’t believe Revelation” now does it?

    Martin Luther believed the Scriptures and that they belonged to everyone, not just the pope and his lackeys.
    In light of these facts, do you still stubbornly stand by your lies?

  • Ron McPherson

    “The very fact that it was
    Martin Luther, not MLK whom you referenced, is even more of a ludicrous claim to pretend you know what he thought, 400 years ago.
    Do you also claim to be a time-traveling mind-reader too? That’s about sums up your heretic claim(s).“

    I don’t pretend to know what he thought. I’m going by his own writings. Good grief. It’s not a secret what he wrote about Revelation. Do some research before you embarrass yourself even more. It’s not hard to find what he himself wrote

    “Martin Luther, posted 95 Theses, wherein the Catholic Church went against Scripture, and you dare to falsely claim he didn’t believe that Revelation, John, James and Jude were part of the Inspired Word of God.”

    I never claimed he didn’t believe them to be inspired. But it’s no secret he put them as an index to his own bible and wrote why. Good grief. READ!!!

  • Ron McPherson

    Read Luther’s own writings and stop embarrassing yourself

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    But you do pretend to be some kind of authority on which of the Books in Scripture are genuine and inspired Words of God.

    And again, where is the documentation that Martin Luther claimed (whether in an index, or otherwise) doubted Revelation?
    And I suppose you have a copy of Martin Luther’s own personal Bible, with those indexes you so profanely claim to be true.

    Can you be any more of a false prophet? – Revelation 22:18-19

  • Ron McPherson

    Read this very slowly and let it sink in. I’m not claiming anything with respect to the biblical canon.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    “Even Martin Luther, the great reformer, didn’t believe Revelation, along with James and Jude, should be included as part of the Canon.” … Sounds like a CLAIM to me.

    Albeit, thinly disguised, as someone else’s unbelief, instead of your own. You are aware that Bearing False Witness is a grave sin,
    or are you gonna say that the Ten Commandments also aren’t part of the Word of God either?

  • Ron McPherson

    Yeah, you above all people probably need to pay particular attention to that bearing false witness thing.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Show even one example where I was “bearing false witness”. And please, don’t bear false witness while attempting to do so.

  • Ron McPherson

    Try reading the link I sent you on Luther’s writings regarding his views on Revelation, James, and Jude, and then get back with me.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    I see no link from you anywhere in this thread. And even if you had a “link” to some obscure reference to Martin Luther being a
    non-believer of Scripture (in spite of the fact that he was the first person to translate the ENTIRE Bible into German) any “link” that claims that lie is not reputable or credible. Anyone can pull false conspiracies from millions of places. Doesn’t make them true.

    Like I mentioned above, my opinion(s) regarding Revelation, John, James, Jude and their authors, are clearly and firmly founded on FAITH … but your denial that Jesus’ disciple, John, the son of Zebedee, wrote Revelation is profoundly lacking in faith.

    Therefore, you cannot be a Christian if you call God a liar and lack faith, but instead choose to disregard the warnings in
    Revelation 22:18-19 … but then choose to believe other false prophets’ claims instead of the Word of God.

  • Ron McPherson

    Then you didn’t look hard enough because I responded directly to you with the link. If you don’t believe this one (though honestly I can’t see how you could not with any degree of integrity), there are plenty more out there as well. Here it is for the second time.

    It’s a pretty well known fact how Luther felt about the Canon, and it’s astoundingly ignorant of you that you still keep arguing about it in spite of Luther’s own writings

    By the way, I don’t know if the apostle John wrote Revelation or not. What I do know is that nowhere in the Bible does it say that one must have FAITH that the apostle John wrote Revelation in order to be a Christian. That is just profoundly stupid. The author of Revelation never claimed to be the apostle and it would be dishonest of you to assert otherwise. I’m not arguing that it was or wasn’t, only that the belief that it was is not grounded in the scriptures. Sorry if that upsets your belief structure. Deal with it.

    You’re basically saying that one cannot be a Christian unless they believe a tradition that says John the apostle wrote Revelation. You’ve just condemned a whole host of Christians, including some of the early saints, for not accepting a claim of man.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    For goodness sake man, it’s right there in Revelation 1:1-4. If the Scriptures say it was John, then it was John who wrote Revelation.
    I’m saying that by denying the very words of Scripture, and substituting your own words, or the words of some obscure, self-appointed “Bible scholar” rather than the clear Word of God, is heresy.

    Furthermore, it’s not me “condemning” anyone. They condemn themselves by disputing the clear and concise Words written there.
    You included. Blaming me because you’re calling God and the Scriptures a lie is just another example of you bearing false witness.

    We have nothing else to discuss. Jesus tells us when someone disbelieves, scoffs and mocks God’s Holy Word,
    they are “dogs” and “swine”. Not my words, but Our Lord’s. Also noteworthy, is Our Lord’s advice to:

    “Give not what is holy to dogs, nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot and turn again and rend thee.”
    – Matthew 7:6

    That is what you’ve done. You look everywhere else for excuses to deny that the Scriptures are the Word of God. So be it then …
    You have chosen, but not wisely!

  • Scott

    You can’t back up your position with anything factual.

  • Ron McPherson

    Um, no one disputes that the author of Revelation was a guy named John lolol!! The author however never claims, not once, to be the apostle John, son of Zebedee. I’m not saying it is or it isn’t. Only that you won’t find such a claim from Scripture. You do realize that more than one John existed in the world during the second century right? Good grief. Are you for real?

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Actually, if not for our forebears inventing and discovering new things, we wouldn’t be where we are today. They did not have the shoulders of anyone else to stand on, nor steal the ideas of people living before them to invent, over time, the amenities we enjoy today. Like mentioned before, only an ignorant, arrogant TOAD would claim to be “smarter” or “more civilized” than our ancestors.

  • Scott

    When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser… Socrates

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    John himself said in Revelation 1:2 that he is the one who bare witness to Jesus Christ. Your convoluted spinning doesn’t change the truth. I have nothing more to say to a liar like you. – Matthew 7:6

    Adiós Oinker! Bow Wow and good bye!

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Amen! 🙂

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Nonetheless, you’re the one who slandered me by claiming falsely that I didn’t “back up” my position, when I did very well.
    So you’re the one who lost this argument.

  • Ron McPherson

    Actually, what is written is:“The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place; he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.”
    ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭NRSV‬‬

    So no, he never claims to be one of the twelve. Sorry.

    How timely you run off and avoid responding to the link I sent of Luther’s own quotes about his feelings of Revelation, James, Jude, etc. You know, the part that refutes your claims that I was lying.

    No wonder. It’s clear that your M.O. is to just ignore anything that brings tension to your firmly held beliefs regardless of any evidence presented. That’s not faith you’re exhibiting here, it’s purposeful ignorance in favor of a zealous desire for certainty.

  • Scott

    Uh huh. If that makes you feel good .

  • Dhammarato

    here have a happy stone on me. It is cast underhanded and you can see it coming. watch out for the next ones, they will be hurled by Christians who carry pockets full of rocks. “Blessed are those who are armed with stones, for there pockets will be filled with them. “

  • Bones

    Nah its about knowing something about first century Judaism and Christianity.

    ‘John’ was writing an anti-Roman war polemic and he saw the Pauline church as part of it. He had no revelation at all.

    It’s interesting that its fanciful interpretations like yours which have been proven wrong time and time and time again.

  • Ivan. What do you mean there is no god? Unfortunately there are many gods. Therefore the World is such a mess. Fortunately there is hope.

  • Scott. Easy & simple. The fallen mankind is proud & arrogant.

  • Bones

    Lol. I don’t see where you backed anything up.

    Simple fact is this generation is more educated than the last thanks to internet and the next generation will be more educated than us.

    Otherwise humanity is going backwards.

    Of course there’s always resistance by conservatives and the religious.

  • Bones

    Lol. It’s called evolution and progress. We build upon past knowledge otherwise we’d still be treating people with leeches and having large families because half of the kids would die in childbirth and infancy from diseases which no longer exist.

    We can still see how our ancestors lived by going to the third world.

  • Ron. It depends… Hi-tech societies come and go. Before Nikola Tesla people knew how use clean & free energy for common good.

    Unfortunately the bad guys don’t want to “spread the word” to the people.

    Of course you know. Ignorant people are at least a little easier to govern…

    …or even lead to hell.

  • Bones

    2 Thess was written by a different author at a later time.

    In 1 Thess 4,Paul says that Christ will come in his lifetime…..

    13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

    And the lawless one is Nero (see also the Beast).

    It was a first century belief that Nero would rise from the dead.

  • Bones

    People choosing hell = complete and utter bs made up by Christians to justify a god worse than any Nazi Extermination Camp Commander.

    Your SS Brigadenfuhrer Jesus is worse than any Trump or any other human dictator.

  • Bones

    Maybe you aren’t.

    Most of the rest of the modern world are.

    I’m surprised you can use Google.

  • Bones

    So you’re no more intelligent or civilised than a caveman.

    That figures…….

  • Bones

    So the Bible is wrong when it says nothing can separate us from God.

    There is nothing anywhere in the Bible that says that sin cuts us off from god.

    That’s made up evangelical bs which borrows from the pharisees and Medieval Catholicism


    And the Bible is clear that God doesn’t need a sacrifice to forgive our sins.

    Unless Jesus isn’t god.

  • Bones

    Lol…He’s using Pyramid Power…..

  • Bones

    Sounds like the religious to me.

    Those that think they know more than science…..

  • Bones: “Simple fact is this generation is more educated than the last thanks to internet and the next generation will be more educated than us.”


    more bones

  • Science? God knows better. He made everything. He owns everything. He controls everything. Simple.

  • Bones

    Yeah it’s called progression and evolution….Also science.

    We build on past knowledge.

    Anyone for a tobacco smoke anema?

    Top 10 Shocking Historical Beliefs and Practices

  • Bones. You may think & say this & that but you can’t find salvation unless God calls you. He may call even three times.

    Job 29 Lo, all these things doth God work, Twice, yea thrice, with a man, 30 To bring back his soul from the pit, That he may be enlightened with the light of the living.

  • Bones. Why do you think Trump is bad? Why are there tyrants? Why are people bad in general?

    Mark 10:18 (NOG) Yeshua said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.

  • Bones: “17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. ”

    It’s called the rapture/harpazo

    “Pre-Trib Rapture Justified? Dr. Mark Hitchcock”

    “The 4-Square City – New Jerusalem”

    The Size Of The Cube


  • Bones

    Yeah nah. Amazing how people overlook the life of Jesus himself and try to build a theology on any old verse totally unrelated to anything.

    The story of Job is hardly a story which shows God in any good light. It’s an ancient story which saw heaven as a type of law court with satan as more of a prosecutor.

    If we look at ransom terminology, who was the ransom paid to.

    It was death itself.

    “Shall I ransom them from the power of Sheol? Shall I redeem them from death? O Death, where are your thorns? O Sheol, where is your sting? Compassion will be hidden from My sight.” Hos 13:14

    Btw Jewish belief was that only really evil people went to hell and only period of 12 months.

    The whole notion of hell was taken from pagan cultures.

  • Then Bones. Is there hope (at all)?

  • Bones

    No it wasn’t the rapture.

    That’s total bs fiction made up in some girls dream in the 1800s.

    As for anything trib its complete and utter nonsense built upon a completely wrong understanding of how to read the Bible.

    Must be why these people are always wrong. It also means every person until the 1800s and Darby’s nonsense never had a clue as to what Revelation was about.

    There is no tribulation.

    That was John writing about the persecution of the saints in the first century.

    For crying out loud do some real academic study and not cultic books.

  • Bones

    From what?


    That seems to scare people.

    I have plenty of hope btw. It’s about making a difference in this world and helping others.

    See what Jesus has to say in Mark.

    It isn’t about getting to heaven but living God’s kingdom on Earth ie justice, mercy and compassion.

  • Bones: “For crying out loud do some real academic study and not cultic books.”

    Honestly Bones. Why do you care about me (or anybody)?

  • Bones

    See there’s an example of religious arrogance and pride right there.

    If God knew better he wouldn’t have created such a cruel world or a nonsense belief that things could only make Him happy if they died.

  • Bones

    I care about educating others. Like the 20 odd kids I see each day.

    That’s what I do.

    So yeah I’m helping you out.

  • Bones: “It isn’t about getting to heaven but living God’s kingdom on Earth ie justice, mercy and compassion.”

    Bones. Seriously. Are you awake? What do you need the Bible for?

  • Bones

    Actually the Early Church all argued about which John it was.

  • Bones

    Nah, you don’t get to say who is and isn’t a christian.

    You’re just as wrong for peddling theories based on fantasy and incorrect interpretations of the Bible as anyone. Lol trump is the antichrist. He’d better get in line with all the others who have been called that.

    And you join a huge list who will be proven to not have a clue as to what they’re on about.

    So its the pot calling the kettle black.

    Btw its ‘canon’ not ‘cannon’.

  • Bones

    Maybe try reading the gospel of Mark without imposing your beliefs on it.

    See that’s what you’re doing.

    And yeah you’ve obviously never studied the Bible but been told by others what it means.

    And is that all your religion is about?

    Going to heaven?

  • Thanks for trying Bones. You do your way. I do mine. Fine:)


    Christians to spread the Word and others to become reconciled. Shortly. Simply.

    2 Corinthians 5:20 (VOICE) So we are now representatives of the Anointed One, the Liberating King; God has given us a charge to carry through our lives—urging all people on behalf of the Anointed to become reconciled to the Creator God.


    “The Centre of The Bible‏”

  • Bones

    Trump is a shitty human being. And that is because he doesn’t give a shit about others.

    Now why do people murder? Steal? Rape etc.

    Because people are selfish and want and crave things. It sure as heck isn’t because some chick got a guy to eat an apple.

    Now Jews believed that humans are actually born good but do evil things. The opposite of Paul who imposed his own beliefs on Christianity.

    And Jesus was a Jew.

    Just on Mark 10. Have you sold everything you have to follow Jesus?

  • Bones

    People already are reconciled to god.

    That is the gospel….That’s the whole point. That is the point of the Parable of the Prodigal Son or the Loving Father.

    You’re telling people who are reconciled to God that they aren’t unless they have the same beliefs as you.

    That’s bs.

  • Bones. What’s the point of Mark (in our days)? Mark: The (near) future.

    Mark 13:19 (KJV) For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

    As I understand there will be Jacob’s agony. Otherwise the remnant of Israel won’t turn to God and call her King “hosanna” to come to stop wars and establish His kingdom of peace on Earth.

    Luke 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


    Revelation 20:1-4 King James Version (KJV)

    20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

  • Bones

    No you can’t be a False Prophet for presenting facts and evidence which you don’t like. In fact the only one claiming to do any prophesying here is you and you will be proven false. Aren’t you supposed to be killed for that?

    As for Martin Luther, it’s a well known historical fact that he hated Revelation and the Book of James.

    Luther teaches: “To my mind it (the book of the Apocalypse) bears upon it no marks of an apostolic or prophetic character… Everyone may form his own judgment of this book; as for myself, I feel an aversion to it, and to me this is sufficient reason for rejecting it.”[61] Sammtliche Werke, 63, pp. 169-170, ‘The Facts About Luther,’ O’Hare, TAN Books, 1987, p. 203.

    Therefore St James’ epistle is really an epistle of straw, compared to these others, for it has nothing of the nature of the Gospel about it.
    (Luther’s Works 35, 362)

    We should throw the epistle of James out of this school [i.e. Wittenburg], for it doesn’t amount to much. It contains not a syllable about Christ. Not once does it mention Christ, except at the beginning. I maintain that some Jew wrote it who probably heard about Christian people but never encountered any. Since he heard that Christians place great weight on faith in Christ, he thought, ‘Wait a moment! I’ll oppose them and urge works alone.’ This he did.
    (Luther’s Works 54, 424)

    Martin Luther on Jude

    “This epistle is ascribed to the holy apostle St. Jude, the brother of the two apostles James the Less and Simon, the sons of the sister of the mother of Christ who is called Mary the wife of James or Cleophas, as we read in Mark 6:3. But this letter does not seem to have been written by the real apostle, for in it Jude refers to himself as a much later disciple of the apostles. Nor does it contain anything special beyond pointing to the Second Epistle of Saint Peter, from which it has borrowed nearly all the words.  It is nothing more than an epistle directed against our clerics—bishops, priests, and monks.”

    Martin Luther on Job, Esther and Jonah

    ‘ Job spoke not as it stands written in his book, but only had such thoughts. It is merely the argument of a fable. It is probable that Solomon wrote and made this book.’

    The book of Esther I toss into the Elbe. I am such an enemy to the book of Esther that I wish it did not exist, for it Judaizes too much and has in it a great deal of heathenish naughtiness.’ ‘

    The history of Jonah is so monstrous that it is absolutely incredible.’ (P. 202)

  • Bones

    Also he needs to brush up on the whole False Prophet thing.

    There’s only one person here claiming to be prophesying. And he’s gonna be heading for a downfall.

    I wonder if he knows the penalty for a False Prophet.

  • Bones. You may say so. Anyway. There are nations to reach.

    Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

  • Bones

    Mark and Luke 13 are referring to the Temple which was destroyed by the Romans in 70CE. An event which already happened.

    And Revelation is proclaiming judgement on the Roman Empire which slaid the saints and destroyed the Temple (Mystery Babylon = Rome). The New Jerusalem comes down because the old one was destroyed by Rome..

    They are related but not how you think they are.

  • Thanks Bones. Are getting somewhere?

  • Bones

    Unfortunately your gospel isn’t the gospel at all.

    The gospel is god is with you and his kingdom is here now.


    Your ‘gospel” is God is far away from you and will stay that way unless you change your beliefs.

    Tell me where Jesus said that eg to the Samaritans, Syro-Phoenician woman or anyone else.

  • Bones

    Doubtful because there is nothing futuristic in the Bible.

    Everything it relates to are events in the first century.

    Do you know why John said the great battle would be at Megiddo?

    Because that was the headquarters and base of the Roman Legion which ruled the Middle East.

  • Bones

    Lol not opinion.


    For starters schools have only been around for what 150 years.

    Just look at the fields of medicine, astronomy. Heck we’ve only known for 3-400 years that a sperm fertilised an egg to make a baby.

    And what we know today would blow last generation away.

    The next generation will know even more about our universe and place in it.

  • Bones

    Yeah that’s rubbish.

    Tests on those babylon batteries have been carried out and they don’t work. They don’t even make a circuit.

    And I wonder who the ignorant and bad guys are here?

  • Hmm… I think God is not religious.

    John 14:6 (NOG) Yeshua answered him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one goes to the Father except through me.


    God is Love. His love can’t come into sight unless the Rival seduces people into misery. I think that’s why God put the serpent into Eden.


    (13) So then, “Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

  • Bones

    You are religious ie you have a belief in a divine being which includes some sort of ritual and membership.

    Now the Gospel of John is another interesting piece of writing.

    Modern scholars agree that the gospel was written during a time of conflict where the Jews of John’s community were excluded from the Jewish synagogue. So you have comments in John about Christians being excluded from the synagogue which didn’t happen until late first century.

    This conflict led to hatred between the 2 camps where John has jesus calling Jews “the children of the devil” and “the world” was another name for the Jews who lived “in darkness”. It in this environment we have to understand John’s claim that jesus is the only way and that “no one can get to the father but by me”.

    An example which shows this is jesus interacting with Nicodemus where Nicodemus fails to understand what jesus meant by being “born again.” That is clearly impossible as “being born again” is a Jewish teaching to explain converts to Judaism.

    No way Nicodemus didn’t know that. No.

    Nicodemus represents those Christians who stay in the synagogue.
    They remain in darkness.

  • Bones

    Lol just saw that creationist site.

    Of course now that we’ve mapped out the genetic genomes of each organism we can see how creatures including ourselves are all related eg we have a gene for a tail, chickens have genes for teeth, whales have genes for legs.

    Yet another nail in creationism’s coffin.

    If creationism were true, there would be no genetic relationship between creatures.

  • Bones: “The next generation will know even more about our universe and place in it.”

    That’s it. You said it. You seem to speak for the Bible. I think God may not give much time for the “next generation”. Everything is predicted. A&E fell. They ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The event started rather speedy technological development. People increased their knowledge. Then happened this:

    (6) Adonai said, “Look, the people are united, they all have a single language, and see what they’re starting to do! At this rate, nothing they set out to accomplish will be impossible for them!

    History repeats itself. Today many people know just about as much as in Nimrod’s days. As we know the UN is made to unite nations and God has to do something again. We seem to be in the “last days”.

    One World Government



    Important. Why did God give us the Internet? Because…

    Mark 4:22 (KJV) For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.

  • Ron McPherson

    That people choose hell is one of the dumbest things I was ever taught in the decades I was mired in conservative evangelicalism. Even then I knew it made no sense, but clinging to the stupidity of it allows one to get God off the hook. That way, God can be all loving, knowing, and powerful, while people suffer for eternity, you know, because they choose too.

    With conservative evangelical doctrine, Ann Frank had it better in Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen than she has had it for the last 74 years and infinitely counting. Amazing what people will just blindly believe. Embarrassed to admit that I used to be one of them.

  • Thanks Bones. I know not much but somebody remains in darkness. Until…

    (14) But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

    Christians bless Israel/Jacob. The salvation is from the Jews.

    Genesis 28:14 (KJV) And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

    We can see how important the circumcision of the heart of the remnant of Israel is to the mankind and the Creation.

    (22) For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

    (6) And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

    Romans 2:28-29 (KJV) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    God’s wrath is needed to prepare His nation to receive her Redeemer.

    (7) Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

    Finally. After the hard times. Peace.

    Hosea 2:18 And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.

    Isaiah 11:10-12 King James Version (KJV)

    10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

    11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

    12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

    May God have mercy on us.

  • Bones

    Dude posting wacky YouTube videos proves nothing.

    They’re less believable than this.

    And now you’re showing that your so psycho no one would believe anything you say because you’re so batshit crazy.

    You are the chaff that strangles and deceives.

    The fact is we’ve had false prophets like yourself for 2 millennia.

    And the parable of the sower has nothing to do with end times.

  • Bones

    I just find it bizarre that saying God’s kingdom is about justice, compassion and mercy gives such a response.

    Thats what the prophets were about.

    Not fortune telling.

    We’ve fallen for the bs that prophecy is about predicting the future.

    It isn’t.

    It’s about interpreting the past and present like the prophet Martin Luther King did.

  • Bones. Please don’t give up. The Bible stands. No matter what the (so called) science says.

    People can’t turn each other. God can. It’s a spiritual thing.

    John 3:3 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    I think this video is awesome. (Some people are talented.)

    “His Name Is JESUS!”

    God bless you and your family.

    Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

  • Ivan T. Errible

    There are many forms of delusion…..

  • Bones. There may be billions of opinions but it may not mean that the truth is among them. I trust God and His Word because He gave me my faith. “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”

    Before I was an (ordinary) Atheist. The school and the (secular) media made me an Atheist. Anyway I believe that the certain battle of Armageddon is ahead. Perhaps it takes place before the 1000-year peace on Earth. Maybe it happens at the end of the peace.

    Revelation 20:7-8 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

    To me this sounds like the battle of Armageddon takes place within the Great Tribulation.

    In this location, all the worldly combatants will be met head on by God Almighty in the second coming of Christ to the earth and will be destroyed: “They [the world’s armies] will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful” (Revelation 17:14). The end of Revelation 19 describes the doom of the Antichrist and all the armies with him this way: “And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh” (Revelation 19:20–21).

  • Thanks for your reply Ivan. What do you think? What is/was the origin of the delusions? What/who made people to begin to alienate from God/truth?

  • rationalobservations?

    Can you present actual, original, 1st century originated historical evidence of the existence of Jesus?
    Note: Confused and internally contradictory bibles that first appeared in prototype in the 4th century and texts written by anonymous scribes centuries after the deaths of those to whom they are merely attributed (Josephus, Tacitus etc etc) do not qualify as evidence of anything but a long evolving mythology.

  • rationalobservations?

    The good news is that the least religious nations are the most peaceful educated, free, godless secular democracies.
    Hopefully the USA may one day graduate to join them.

  • rationalobservations?

    There’s no evidence of the existence of Jesus.

  • rationalobservations?

    Which bible?
    The oldest first 4th century fabricated Bible, or one of the very different bibles in circulation today?

  • I’m sorry Bones. My fault. I was hasty. My English is poor. I speak Finnland nearly fluently and Finglish so-so 🙁

    Of course we the people should make each other feel comfortable here in time.

  • Ron McPherson

    I think much of the futuristic type views comes about as a result of reading the Bible as if most everything in it was written to us now. It’s actually downright harmful at times. I know a lady who seems to live in fear thinking every tornado and earthquake is a sign of the end. Thinks Armageddon is right around the corner. Everything she sees somehow fits into her narrative of Revelation. Sad really, because she actually believes it. And she follows pastors who prey upon so many like her. Makes for a great profit from books and seminars. And these folks swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

    How many times have we read where people sold out their home and possessions because they follow some guy who told them the world is coming to an end. Or how many accounts have we read where children become terrified when they can’t find their parents, thinking the rapture left them behind.

    Reading the Bible as if everything was written to us causes all sorts of abuse heaped on others. Paul’s warnings to a Greco Roman church situated in a pagan culture somehow become rules for conservative American Christians in the 21st century. Why? Well because they read Corinthians as if he wrote it down for them.

    Same thing about Jesus’ warnings of judgement against the religious elite. Instead of understanding his words with the corrupt temple system in the background in first century Palestine, instead his words are read as if he’s talking to us about some future event. One literally has to believe Jesus was misleading his apostles the whole time because he was actually speaking to people 2000 years later, but didn’t bother to tell his followers that at the time. People who twist the words of the Bible to make their narrative valid read no other book like that. They have to change the meaning of words to make it work.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    You’re right. Our Lord and the Scriptures explain in detail who is and who is not a Christian. Those who dismiss and deny the TRUTH of the Scriptures; and in doing so, call God a liar, cannot be Christians, no matter how much they claim to be.

    We have been forewarned about false prophets and wolves-in-sheep’s-clothing … those who deny the power of God and the validity of the Scriptures are just that. Deliberately leading others astray into the Lake of Fire.

    Furthermore, if you bothered to read my comments and have the intelligence to comprehend them, you might have noticed that I didn’t say that TЯ卐m₽ was the Antichrist, but the Beast.

    The Obscene-Orange-Oaf is too stupid and groveling to be the Antichrist, but in light of how much he sucks up to Putin and kisses
    Kim Jong-un’s backside, we can deduce that he is a subservient, groveling, lackey to both of these bloody dictators … therefore, not the Antichrist. The Antichrist has not, at this time, been revealed … but the Beast has … and that Beast is TЯ卐m₽!

    PS: Being a “grammar/spelling nazi” doesn’t make your false accusations any more valid.

  • Thanks RO. I think that’s a good question. Luckily there are people who want to help others.

    General Preface
    This work, as the title-page indicates, consists of several portions somewhat distinct but naturally related, all having reference to one great object, a thorough verbal index to the Holy Scriptures, as they exist in the three most important forms now known to the British and American readers and scholars, namely, the partly Hebrew and partly Greek original text, and the “Authorized” and “Revised” ** English Versions. The basis of the whole work is the first and much the largest portion, to which this Preface more particularly applies. The design and use of the succeeding portions are explained in the Prefaces to them respectively.

    How did Biblical Hebrew change over time?
    Was the Bible written from beginning to end in an unchanging language called Biblical Hebrew, or did this language evolve over time? In “How Biblical Hebrew Changed” in the September/October 2016 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review, Professor Avi Hurvitz argues there are three distinct forms of Biblical Hebrew, each one corresponding to certain parts of the Bible and other ancient texts.

    Walter Veith speaks about the battle.

    “213B – Battle of the Bibles / Total Onslaught – Walter Veith”

    I’m a simple man. My faith is simple. God called me and I started to read the Bible. God gave me my faith. I’m His child. Soon He takes me into His home.

    Romans 10:17 “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”

    J. Warner Wallace investigates his way.

    This is a shortened version. Tripta Kapur published an article about Jesus’ death. It is seen on John Houk’s blog.

    Jesus’ Suffering and Crucifixion From a Medical Point of View

    The following is a transcription of an article given by Dr.Keith Maxwell, a medical doctor in Asheville, N.C.

    This article is approached from the perspective of how a physician would assess the injuries of Jesus if he were there to see the actual physical trauma he experienced. Dr. Maxwell speaks plainly, with as little medical jargon as possible. His development of this topic began to evolve one night when Dr. Maxwell, in the emergency room, thought to himself, “If they brought the Lord in here, exactly what would his physical injuries be like?”

    Dr. Keith Maxwell: “The Physical Death of Jesus Christ”


  • RO. You are right. Religions don’t help. The truth helps. God knows us. We need Jesus. He is true Liberator.

  • Bones. I think not all things are mentioned in the Bible. Luckily gospel is gospel. People need it.

    John 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

    John 11:25 (KJV) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

    1 Corinthians 15:12-22 (NOG)
    12 If we have told you that Christ has been brought back to life, how can some of you say that coming back from the dead is impossible? 13 If the dead can’t be brought back to life, then Christ hasn’t come back to life. 14 If Christ hasn’t come back to life, our message has no meaning and your faith also has no meaning. 15 In addition, we are obviously witnesses who lied about God because we testified that he brought Christ back to life. But if it’s true that the dead don’t come back to life, then God didn’t bring Christ back to life. 16 Certainly, if the dead don’t come back to life, then Christ hasn’t come back to life either. 17 If Christ hasn’t come back to life, your faith is worthless and sin still has you in its power. 18 Then those who have died as believers in Christ no longer exist. 19 If Christ is our hope in this life only, we deserve more pity than any other people.

    20 But now Christ has come back from the dead. He is the very first person of those who have died to come back to life. 21 Since a man brought death, a man also brought life back from death. 22 As everyone dies because of Adam, so also everyone will be made alive because of Christ.

  • rationalobservations?

    Fictional and imaginary things can help nothing and no one.

    Your indoctrinated delusion has no connection with reality.

  • Silverwolf13

    True, true. But because the SuperChristians are so influential in our culture, it is worth noting the ways in which they reject the teachings of the one from whom they claim to find all truth.

  • Bones

    I’ve missed you rashie.

    How ya been?

  • Bones

    Lol the battle was at megiddo because that was the base of the roman legion which controlled Palestine.

    Thats not an opinion.

    Thats historical fact.

    What is opinion and not truth is that people claim to know the end times or that every country’s army would fit at megiddo. Heck Russia would only need to send a nuke without any army and just obliterate the whole site.

    For John there was only one army in the world and that was Rome.

    And BTW the Beast is Rome as well.

  • Bones

    Dude I’m not giving up. I’m still posting.

  • Bones

    The Bible has some of the most dangerous books ever written.

    And that’s because people don’t understand the historical context these books were written.

    Hell the whole Middle East war, the holocaust and end time frauds like Jim Jones were because of the fables in the bible.

  • Bones

    Jesus disagreed with the Bible (eg Moses on divorce, adultery) so Jesus is a liar and not a Christian.

    Good (ill)logic there.

    Fun fact – disagreeing with you is not disagreeing with God.

    You of course are just another in a long long line of false prophets.

    What’s the punishment for a false prophet again?

  • Bones

    Btw the Beast is Ancient Rome – Mystery Babylon.

  • Bones

    So you admit your gospel is not in the bible but something you’ve made up.

  • rationalobservations?

    Your analysis applies in the USA where fewer than 18% of citizens remain active church going religionists.

    In the rest of the educated, free, predominantly godless and secular democracies of the developed world – the influence of the small and declining rump of eccentric religionists is minor but still greater than their numbers warrant.

    America is a puzzle to more advanced civilisations who look on in horror at the mass shootings capital of the world and wonder at a gun religion that demands the endless sacrifice of so many other people’s children.

  • rationalobservations?

    All good, old friend. Continually debunking the bunkum and educating the ignorant.

  • rationalobservations?

    Your lengthy C&P fails to recognise that the oldest/first prototype Greek language bibles date from the late first century and there is no historical trace of “Jesus” or any of the centuries later written legends of Jesus that originate from within the 1st century.

    Your reference to myths and legends and opinions regarding those myths and legends fails to validate those myths and legends.

  • Bones

    Lol Isaiah is writing about an event that has happened in his time namely the Babylonian exile.

    Not any futuristic event.

    Hosea is writing about Israel’s idolatry – an event which has already happened. And there was no peace. As Israel was invaded by the Assyrians then the Greeks then the Romans.

    See you take bits and pieces of verses totally out of context and try to make them say something they don’t.

    That’s dishonest.

    As for the Jews good to see you disagree with the Gospel of John.

    I do too.

  • Ron McPherson

    He has discredited himself throughout the entire thread. Asserted one must believe John the apostle wrote Revelation in order to be a Christian. Claimed I was lying about Martin Luther’s views on the Canon because he thought I was talking about MLK lol. Calls me a liar and false prophet. Then when I corrected him on it, claimed I was still lying about Luther and dared me to post the evidence, while still claiming I was a false prophet or some such nonsense about bearing false witness . So I posted a link of Luther’s own words. He literally argued with me about a well known fact. And of course you posted to him Luther’s own words as well. And yet you and I are still the liars lol.

  • RO. You seem to be serious. Then who knows better than God/Creator?

    Please let me lighten a little. “Hu is the president of China”

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Yet in the Scriptures/New Testament/Christ’s own Words:

    He saith unto them, ‘Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives:
    but from the beginning it was not so
    ‘.” – Matthew 19:8 and Mark 10:5

    Christ is in perfect agreement with Moses and the Old Testament Scriptures on the issue of divorce.
    So once again your vile LIE has been thoroughly DEBUNKED by the Word of God!

  • You got it right again RO. We can’t see Him. The reason is obvious. The tomb is empty;)

  • Yes Bones. I admit. I have no gospel of my own. Religious people may have their own gospels. History knows dangerous cults with their own gospels. I think one of the worst cults locates in Italy. (Maybe you guessed already.) Religions and religious people are dangerous. They try to lead people to hell. It’s obvious. They work for Satan. It’s important to see that the spirit world is real.

    And again. The fallen World is blind. Only God/Creator can change the situation. One day all people shall be Believers.

    Romans 14:11 (KJV) For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

  • Bones. Why do you believe there was a Jew Jesus? And. As a Realist I must confess. We all are shitty human beings because we are A&E’s successors. Easy & simple. Isn’t it? 😀

    Have I sold everything? No. I haven’t. I don’t own much. I don’t earn much. I’ll manage if I take care of my health. I trust Father/Abba’s care.

    (8) Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me: (9) Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the Lord? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.

    Whoever has two shirts should share with the person who doesn’t have any. Whoever has food should share it too. Don’t collect more money than you are ordered to collect. Be satisfied with your pay, and never use threats or blackmail to get money from anyone.

    The link includes a list of Jesus’ ancestors.

    God’s Word is Wonderful. Isn’t it?


  • Yeah! That’s what dudes do. They boast ;D This is totally OT. (Have mercy on me.)

    You still young?

    PLUS +

    There is chaff. And there is CHAFF. (Are you awake? Dude?)

  • Nice try Bones. SIN is the problem. And doctors ignoring the SIN don’t help. Vice versa. SIN is not here:

    Nor here:

    Here is “sin”. It means “hamartophobia”.



    Where there is no diagnosis there is no prescription.

  • rationalobservations?

    Present empirical evidence of the existence of any of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men and we could discuss your hypothesis further.

  • rationalobservations?

    There is no evidence that a man named “Jesus” or a City of Nazareth EVER existed.

  • Bones

    What the hell?

    Hamartophobia is the irrational fear of sinning.
    What the hell does that prove?

    Number of people jesus rejected because of SIN =0.

    It seems your god is more like the pharisees than jesus.

  • Thanks for your reply Bones. The message: Secular World has no remedy to the original “disease”.

  • Bones

    Something that doesn’t exist doesn’t need a remedy.

    Number of times jesus rejected people because of SIN =0.

    Jesus is obviously different to God then.

  • Bones

    Dude have you been smoking reindeer shit again?

  • Bones

    If Jesus existed, he was a jew.

    The only ones disputing that would be Hitler and his mob.

    And no we’re not shitty humans. But that’s a pretty shitty worldview.

    Most of us are doing our best to get on with each other and help each other out.

    As for Jesus’s ancestors it depends which gospel you read.

    BTW I take it you don’t have any shirts?

  • Bones

    Lol…. A man could divorce his wife for anything according to moses and the Old Testament and commit adultery with single women.

    Women could not divorce men AT ALL.

    Jesus disagreed.

    Which makes jesus a liar according to you.

  • Bones

    Actually you have admitted its your own because its totally opposite to the jesus in the gospels.

    Your jesus can’t stand sin whereas the jesus of the gospels was friends with them.

  • Bones

    Tbf to those of us foreigners Americans are from the Usa eg the American forces in ww2.

    Other countries in the American continents are called by their country of origins eg Chileans, Mexicans. Canadians.

    Not quite sure what else we could call citizens from the USA apart from Yankees.

  • Bones: “Something that doesn’t exist doesn’t need a remedy.” Hooray! What a relief! From now on the hard times seem to be over. At last our lives are dignified.

    At last… James Last:

    Sorry Bones. Somehow I can’t take you seriously… Anymore 🙁

  • Bones

    Looks like we’ve got another ‘true believer’ here folks.

    Get in line and join the Mormons, jws and others who are ‘true believers’.

    “One day all people shall be like me”.

    There fixed it for ya.

    Thats what it’s all about.

  • Bones

    Lol says the guy who posted that pyramids have electricity and admits his gospel is not from the bible.

    Why is your god different to jesus?

  • Bones. Seriously. Time is running out. Everything is predicted. Soon the Believers will “vanish”.

    If you are here when… Please don’t take the mark…

  • RO. We better not waste our times. I have told you enough and I think you are not interested in the salvation (yet). God bless you and your family.

  • Bones: “And BTW the Beast is Rome as well.” That’s correct. And. The cult of Rome birthed another beast: Islam.

    You may think/say whatever you like but Satan is real and he works till the return of Christ Jesus.

    Matthew 25:31 (KJV) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

    Revelation 20:1-2 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

    You know these things because you have read the Bible. Clearly. We are in the “Last Days”. God gave us the Internet. We can use it for our good.

  • rationalobservations?

    You not only waste your limited time recycling garbage, you waste the only life you will ever get upon that garbage.

    You have my sincere sympathy and best wishes.

    Retreat from that which confuses and confounds your childish superstitions as that is the expected resort of the failed religionist.

    Keep the nonexistent “blessings” of your nonexistent god.
    Good wishes and good actions are entirely of the human realm while religion continues to poison everything.

  • RO: “Good wishes and good actions are entirely of the human realm while religion continues to poison everything.” Thanks RO. I agree 🙂

    + PLUS

    As a Realist I must tell you. After the fall of man brother killed brother. The same goes on until the return of Christ Jesus. Religions don’t save. Jesus saves. That’s the Good News.

    Matthew 25:31 (KJV) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

    Revelation 20:1-2 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

  • rationalobservations?

    You are puzzling,, my friend.
    You dismiss religion as poison yet quote the ridiculous mythology and propaganda of a fraudulent religion.

    You claim to be a “realist” yet exclusively write as a religionist and fantasist.

    There is no evidence of the existence of the Roman’s god-man “Jesus” that appeared in 4th century Roman bibles for the first time in the late 4th century.

    There is no historical trace of “Jesus” that originates from within the 1st century CE.

    There is no evidence of the existence any of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods, goddesses and god-men that exclusively appear in human authored fiction and the imagination of the ignorant and the gullible.

    Quoting myths, legends and lies from one version of confused and internally contradictory, historically inaccurate and historically unsupported human work of fiction known as a bible fails too validate that internally contradictory, historically inaccurate and historically unsupported human work of fiction.

    Our very recently evolved species of ape has only been “manlike” for a very few thousand years and the concept of a “fall” of hominid or apelike ancestors is unsupported by the evidence of 4,000,000,000 years of life on Earth and 195,000 years ago when the first appearance of our own species Homo sapiens appears on the scene – and shortly after begins to migrate across Asia and Europe. The oldest modern human remains are two skulls found in Ethiopia that date to this period. Average human brain volume is 1350 cm.

    Your religionist myths and legends appear childish nonsense to the third largest and fastest growing human demographic of the educated, godless, nonreligious.

    Best wishes to you and yours and I hope that one day you may actually become a “realist”.

  • Thanks RO. Best wishes to you. In case you have time:



    Genesis 6:4 (KJV) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.



    And so on. God’s word stands because the science/knowledge can’t KO God/Creator. Simple.

    The spirit world is real. Therefore you can’t understand what I say. You read but you don’t see. I know these things because I was an Atheist myself. Until God called me and I began to read the Bible.

    John 3:3 (CJB) “Yes, indeed,” Yeshua answered him, “I tell you that unless a person is born again from above, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.”

    Romans 10:17 (KJV) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    Btw. THEY (The Hierarchy Enslaving You) suppress knowledge.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Where in the Scriptures does it say that Jesus was okay with anyone divorcing their spouse, except in the case of sexual immorality.

    Don’t attempt to gaslight those of us who are very knowledgeable with what Jesus did and did not say.

    Our Lord never said what you claim. I noticed you did not provide any Chapter and Verse to back up your claim either.

    So the only “liar” is you.

  • Scott

    I know. Just being a smart ass. I spend time in central America and always make the point of saying I’m from the United States. Some south of our border don’t like that we forget there is more to America than the United States

  • rationalobservations?

    I am slightly baffled as to why you would present this litany of propaganda and failed excuses for the absence of any and all evidence of the existence of “Jesus”?

    I have spent more than three decades searching for any actual, tangible evidence of a 1st century radical preacher named Yeshua/Y-Shua/Joshua/”Jesus” and there is none. NONE!

    Your list of the delusions of the deluded and the delusional includes not one single item of actual evidence that supports the mythology of “Jesus” or the confused and internally contradictory, historically inaccurate and historically unsupported legends of “Jesus” that first appeared in prototype form the 4th century.

    Referencing the confused and internally contradictory “Jesus” mythology in the attempt to validate that mythology is as valid as referencing the Harry Potter books for evidence of the battle between him and the great evil one Voldemort.

    I recognise the strength of the indoctrination that enslaves you and admire your failed attempt at validating that indoctrination.
    Even the original human institution of the 4th century founded cults of “Jesus” admit there is no evidence in support of their myths and legends.

    “Our documentary sources of knowledge about the origins of Christianity and its earliest development are chiefly the New Testament Scriptures, the authenticity of which we must, to a great extent, take for granted.”

    (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. iii, p. 712)

    The Church makes extraordinary admissions about its New Testament. For example, when discussing the origin of those writings,

    “the most distinguished body of academic opinion ever assembled” (Catholic Encyclopedias, Preface) admits that the Gospels “do not go back to the first century of the Christian era”

    (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. vi, p. 137, pp. 655-6).

    This statement conflicts with priesthood assertions that the earliest Gospels were progressively written during the decades following the death of the Gospel Jesus Christ.

    In a remarkable aside, the Church further admits that,

    “the earliest of the extant manuscripts [of the New Testament], it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD”

    (Catholic Encyclopedia, op. cit., pp. 656-7).

    I almost admire your tenacity but cannot condone or support your failure to defend the propaganda that enslaves you.

  • rationalobservations?

    Your fake “god” is the “god” of the survivors. All those who died just as indoctrinated as you are now simply no longer exist.
    Are very recently evolved species of ape lives for a short time between nonexistence and eternal nonexistence. It is your prerogative if you continue too waste time on myths, legends and lies, my friend.
    You are living proof of the efficiency of the scam that enslaves you.

    Best wishes for a speedy recovery from your delusional condition, my friend.

  • rationalobservations?

    Any and all the thousands of creation myths dreamed up by ancient ignorant men fail to compare to the actual (now observed and recorded) 13,820,000,000 year history of the Universe and the 4,000,000,000 year history of life on Earth.

    The TWO different versions of “genesis” appear ridiculous when compared with the billions of years of observed and measured progress of the rapidly expanding universe that we have captured images back to it’s hot dense origin.

    I am still surprised and amazed that apparently functional adults buy into the garbage within any of the diverse and very different bibles that can be traced back to the original prototypes that were fabricated in the late 4th century.

    I have to repeat that I KNOW THE MYTHOLOGY in many of its diverse and very different forms. None of it makes any sense and none of it is supported by a single shred of evidence.

    You appear to be in too deep in the nonsense that enslaves you and if your mental stability depends upon retaining the garbage that no one has ever justified or validated – so be it. Just don’t expect members of the third largest and fastest growing human cohort of the educated and informed godless/nonreligious to buy into that childish superstitious nonsense.

  • Thanks for your reply RO. I appreciate your effort. May I ask? Are you trying to get God’s children back to hell’s road? I ask because you (and Atheists) don’t seem to see the reality of the spirit world.–bible-quotes-black-roses.jpg


  • rationalobservations?

    If you can present evidence of any/all the millions of imagina, undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men – we could perhaps discuss your fantasies further.

    Your bunkum remains debunked.

  • You see RO. You don’t see. The thing is SPIRITUAL. It means I can’t turn you and you can’t turn me. I’d like to say something important. If you are alive and you don’t get caught up by God/Creator please don’t take “the mark”.

    Revelation 13:16-18 (KJV) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    (20:4) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

  • Bones: “If Jesus existed, he was a jew. The only ones disputing that would be Hitler and his mob. And no we’re not shitty humans. But that’s a pretty shitty worldview.”

    Bones. You don’t believe there was/is Jesus. I guess you don’t believe there is God/Creator. In that case why do you care about anything at all? I see no point of living if we come from nothingness and return to nothingness.


    Let’s be fair. Let’s be honest. We are shitty people if we call others “shitty people”.


    If there is no God/Creator then there is no right or wrong. So being there is no reason to charge anybody with murder. Easy. Simple.

  • Think RO. There are no thoughts and feelings in the evolution. There is only MATTER in the evolution. Easy. Simple.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    Actually Bones: The Bible says ” … nothing can separate us from the LOVE of God. – Romans 8:38

    Conveniently left our the word LOVE didn’t ya’?

  • Bill Morgan

    It is amazing the number of cynical comfortable leftists we have in America, today.

  • rationalobservations?

    For “spiritual” I read imaginary, fictional, unreal, hypothetical and unsupported by evidence.

    Thank you for demonstrating why religion is in such sharp and rapid decline all across the educated free peaceful secular developed world.

    Your pathetic dying religion has nothing unique or original to offer and the sooner all religion is dead, the better for humanity.

  • Bones

    Actually thinking about psalm 139 dipstick

    Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence?
    If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, [1] you are there.
    If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea,
    even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast.
    If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me,”
    even the darkness will not be dark to you; the night will shine like the day, for darkness is as light to you.
    For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
    I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.
    My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,
    your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.
    How precious to [2] me are your thoughts, O God! How vast is the sum of them!
    Were I to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand. When I awake, I am still with you.

    It’s funny how your god is more like the pharisees than jesus.

  • Bones

    It’s amazing the number of ignorant Conservative retards that are in America today.

  • Bones

    Nope. Complete and utter fiction and poor biblical interpretation based on fantasies.

    You need to stop smoking reindeer shit.

  • Bones


    Your deflections don’t work.

    The facts are megiddo was the base for the Roman legion responsible for the destruction of the temple. That is why the writer said there would be a great battle.

    The Beast is imperial Rome which had nothing to do with Islam. The number of the Beast 666 adds up to Nero who was believed to rise from the dead.

    The dragon is based on the book of Daniel.

    The book of revelation is a book based on revenge whose jesus is the opposite of the gospels and who saw Paul as the false prophet.

  • Bones

    The gospels are not biographies of a person.

    They are theological and social constructs based on other writings.

    Thats why Matthew copied nearly all of Mark and changed some of it.

    It’s also why John includes events from the late first century in his gospel.

    As for having no reason to live, you need to stop thinking about yourself.

    We don’t need religion to give meaning to our lives.

    Do something useful with yours.

    Posting stupid theories and whacky videos isn’t useful.

  • Chorbais Dichault

    Bravo, comrade Van Steenwyk, bravo! You will receive the Order of Lenin for this! Glory to the true values of Jesus, Marx, Engels, Bakunin and Lenin! Glory to Partija Lenina, sila narodnaja! Sojuz njerushimy… ♫

  • Chorbais Dichault

    It is not evident, even from the edited Synoptic Gospels, that the Galilean carpenter was anything more than a pantheism-influenced guru (“I and the Father are one” = “Brahman is Atman”) in an unwelcoming setting (monotheism-believing Judea) who founded a messianic ashram of secret-parable-mysterium sharing disciples in their communistic community who expected not to taste death before the Mystic Christal (sic) Revelation of the Kingdom of God In Your Midst would be revealed.

    The religion, with its churches of people praying in public and finally winning state influence in the rule of Constantine, was as far off from that proto-Marxist teacher’s mind as could be. Christianity is not the religion of Jesus but a religion about him.

  • Chorbais Dichault

    > We all are shitty human beings because we are A&E’s successors.

    Why so? Ask & Embla had no special fault. When Odin, Vili and Ve made them from trees and breathed life into them, they awoke into consciousness and lived to populate the world. Yes, we their descendants have fallen into strife, but that’s because of us, not them. The Allfather knows what He hath wrought.

    OK, now that my tongue is out of my cheek – maybe you’ll get up to date in what we know about the world and its history, including human history, and realize there was no Adam & Eve, or Ask & Embla, or any other “First Couple” from which all humans are descended. You go back on our ancestry 400 millions years in time, for example, you find out it’s lobe-finned fish. A&E are the inventions of primitives who didn’t know better; and even be it “chronological snobbery” as CSLewis called it, it’s still the truth.

    Primitive people wrote a primitive book detailing their primitive thoughts. Some of us have grown out of thinking that book is anything more than that.

  • rationalobservations?

    Nearly all the “sins” invented by religions to enslave the ignorant and grow obscenely wealthy from the gullible.

    Most “sins” or not crimes.
    Most sins are normal natural features of being human.
    Most “sins” are entirely harmless except to the corrupt human institutions that invented them.

  • Chorbais Dichault

    America isn’t mentioned in the Bible. But you needn’t get so far for Biblical errancy, because, heck, even the Chinese are unaccounted for in “God’s true history of the world and humanity.”

    The Bible says humanity is descended from the second genetic bottleneck of Noah’s three sons and their wives. Shem is the father of the light-brown peoples of Western Asia, Ham the father of the black-skinned nations of Africa, and from Japheth are the white folk of Europe descended. What about the Mongoloids? You know, the Eastern Asians, as well as those who long ago went the Siberian route to the Bering Straits into the American continent? The Bible has nothing to say here. It’s as ignorant about them as it is about the Atlantic and Pacific oceans (“The Great Sea”? That’s what it calls the… Mediterranean. What a joke).

  • Chorbais Dichault

    > Human has not changed and we are not smarter or more civilized than the
    > ancient Greeks and Romans.

    We know a lot more than they did, and our civilizations are quite more complex. But we’re still basically the same species of primate we were about 200,000 years ago, and the fact that we’re beasts is something no scientific knowledge or system of laws can do away with. As long as humans exist, inequality and strife will too exist. These things can change as much as cats can stop eating meat – possible but not likely, not soon and not by planning.

  • Chorbais Dichault

    > I think God may not give much time for the “next generation”. Everything is
    > predicted.

    “It’s a lie, Morpheus. The whole prophecy is nothing but a lie.”

  • Chorbais Dichault

    > Regarding the authors post, it’s hyperbole at best, blame “America” at worst.

    It’s just your standard, run-of-the-mill leftist virtue signaling. A nice commie rant to make the reader think the writer is so good and caring and aware.

  • Thanks for you reply CD. Actually we can’t afford to sleep.

    (35) Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: (36) Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. (37) And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

    I think we are in a play. Shortly. God made the manuscript and He is the Director. People are actors and angels are the audience. God/Creator controls everything. Therefore there is certain timetable. Easy. Simple.

    God bless you and your family (Acts 16:31)

  • Words. (sigh)

    12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

    God knows His Creation. Easy. Simple.

    God bless you and your family (Acts 16:31)

  • rationalobservations?

    Ourvery recently evolved species of ape has developed (evolved) thoughts and feelings and so much more. There is only MATTER in the infinite 13,820,000,000 years old universe.
    Easy, simple, self evident, honest and true.

    All the millions of imaginary, undetected and undetectable gods, goddesses and god-men are, and remain, purely hypothetical, imaginary, fictional, undetectable and undetected.

    All living things are the product of evolution.
    All the millions of gods are the product of human imagination.

    You are correct. There is only matter in the material and biological universe.
    All else is imaginary, hypothetical, undetected, undetectable and nonexistent.

  • Ocelot Aardvark

    That passage does NOT mean that you cannot separate yourself from God. Sin separates a person from God.
    Only sincere repentance of our sins and the Cross of Christ can reunite us with the Father.

    What’s “funny” is how a scornful unbeliever can pretend to know anything about the Power, Mercy and Love of God.
    It’s your own hatred and dismissal of our Heavenly Father that separates you from Him.

    Now I have a verse for you:

    “Give not what is holy unto dogs, (unbelievers) nor cast your pearls before swine, (mockers & scorners) lest they trample them underfoot and turn again and rend thee.” – Matthew 7:6 … That is exactly what you’ve done in every one of your comments.

    So in heeding my Savior’s advice, I no longer have anything else to discuss with you.

  • rationalobservations?

    Words – sigh indeed.

    You recycle garbage written by liars, confidence tricksters and other long dead delusional idiots and criminals.

    Thethird largest and fastest growing human demographic of the godless non-religious have long since recognised the garbage that enslaves you and that you recycle.

    Your fictional super-spook is one of millions of undetected and undetectable fictional deities and only the childish, ignorant and gullible swallow the nonsense you regurgitate and swallow.

    Best wishes to you and yours and I hope you recover some sense before you die and cease to exist for the rest of time.

  • Thanks for your reply CD. I was an Atheist. I think the most of the “Westerners” were Atheists before God/Creator called them and saved them. The thing is spiritual. (The Bible tells more.)

  • Thank you!

  • This is what astonishes you about today?

  • I’m not sure of the point you’re making.

  • You see RO. You don’t see. It’s a spiritual thing. Our eyes can be opened by God’s Word Jesus.

    (6) After Yeshua said this, he spit on the ground and mixed the spit with dirt. Then he smeared it on the man’s eyes (7) and told him, “Wash it off in the pool of Siloam.” (Siloam means “sent.”) The blind man washed it off and returned. He was able to see.

    John 1:1-3 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

  • rationalobservations?

    Still the same ridiculous recycled garbage?

    Your nonsense is the same as that of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men and the unsubstantiated garbage written about them all is confused and contradictory.

    Repeating garbage fails to validate justify or excuse that bizarre garbage.

    You know there is no evidence that supports the nonsense you fail to defend justify or excuse.


    Please follow your time RO. If the evolution was true it wasn’t called “evolution theory”. And. If there was evolution there weren’t gods & demons or good & evil. Easy. Simple.


  • RO. You seem to be stuck in your foxhole. Many people are. Is there hope? Yes.

    The Bible is clear. Christians’ mission is to spread the Word and the meaning of life of others is to turn to God.

    2 Corinthians 5:20 (VOICE) So we are now representatives of the Anointed One, the Liberating King; God has given us a charge to carry through our lives—urging all people on behalf of the Anointed to become reconciled to the Creator God.

    Be blessed

  • rationalobservations?

    Your pathetic acceptance of nonsense and lies is risible. Your recycling of nonsense and lies is disgraceful.

    Your ignorance is only exceeded by your gullibility.

  • rationalobservations?

    It is you who remain in the rapidly shrinking “foxhole” of superstition and ignorance.

    Most in the developed world shrugged off the infantile superstitions that enslave your excuse for a brain.

    Your childish ignorance is pathetic.

  • RO. I understand your point of view. Metoo was an Atheist. Now I accept that Jesus divides. The spirit world is real. No-one can change that. I believe that Jesus returns soon. I hope/pray that God saves you before the Great Tribulation.

    1 Thessalonians 5:9 (KJV) For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

    Mark 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

    The Great Tribulation

    May God have mercy on us.

  • rationalobservations?

    Repeating irrational garbage fails to make it any less nonsensical and ridiculous.

    All you demonstrate is the strength of the indoctrination you have succumbed to and the irrational and ignorant nature of your mind, my friend. Nothing more.

    You are part of a small and shrinking rump of the deluded here in the developed world and your indoctrinated delusions are dying out rapidly.

  • Yes RO. I know I know but what do you aim at? I mean what’s your (and Atheists’) (good) message to the World?

  • rationalobservations?

    The “Golden Rule” predates your pathetic cult by many millennia.

    The best message to the world is the populations of the most peaceful and happy nations the world has ever witnessed that are also the least religious nations in all history.

    The third largest and fastest growing human demographic are the godless non-religious and we demonstrate every day that we do not need or want your fake deities and fraudulent religions to be happy and good.

  • Thanks RO. Sounds great. I agree. The sooner we get rid of the religions the better. Have you ever thought? Atheism is a religion (among others). Why? Because it’s based on a lie called “evolution”. Actually Atheists fabricated the theory of evolution. Easy & Simple. (I guess heavy topic longs for lightening.)

    Serious: DNA OF CREATION

    “How Chinese Characters confirm Genesis & Bible stories”


    Genesis 11:6-7 (KJV) And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.

    Hebrew is beautiful. Isn’t it?

  • rationalobservations?

    With no more religions there will be no more sources of the indoctrination you recycle in these columns.
    At the current rate of evolution – it may well be only one or two more generations before all of the population of the educated, free, secular and democratic world treat your childish superstitions with the contempt that the third largest and fastest growing human demographic show them today.

    Thank you for so clearly demonstrating that the alternative to the acceptance of evolution (and other evidence supported facts of science) is not religionism or creationism but the ignorance and pathetic childish superstitions you shamelessly parade within each of your entries.

    You have my sympathy – but earn nothing but contempt for your ignorance and dishonesty.

  • Thanks RO. The future… Time will tell… The Bible told already… You (and Atheists) will see…


  • rationalobservations?

    You still need to establish which of the many diverse and very different versions of bibles you reference?
    Is it the oldest prototype Bible authored by four anonymous scribes at the end of the 4th century (Codex Sinaiticus). Or one of the very different works of much later human authors?

    Good luck with your delusions and condition of irrational denial.

  • I read Finnish Bible. It’s called “Raamattu”.

    RO. I think you do not take an interest of the salvation (yet). You (and everybody) need God’s call first. Then you may read the Bible with an interest and then God/Creator may give you His faith and save you. It’s a spiritual thing. Always been.

    Luckily there are researchers:)

    It’s good to know: “GOD IS

  • rationalobservations?

    I find it bizarre that a human written book completed in1938 should hold you in such thrall.

    It’s as bizarre as those who are in thrall to any of the diverse and very different bibles that first appeared in prototype in the late 4th century.

    GODS (ALWAYS plural) are FICTIONAL.

    No matter how many times you repeat your nonsense, it remains nonsense.

  • Jane Ravenswood

    good points. Howver, your god does like its swag in the temples it demands and “city of heaven” that is wall to wall wealth.

  • Jane Ravenswood

    and for those who your god didn’t take care of?


    Thanks for your reply RO. I appreciate your effort. Anyway. As said before. Spiritual things are spiritual. Jesus may turn whom ever He wants. After all He is the Creator.


    (14) And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.


    (14) We all fell to the ground; and then I heard a voice saying to me, in Hebrew, ‘Sha’ul! Sha’ul! Why do you keep persecuting me? It’s hard on you to be kicking against the ox-goads!’

    Manners & Customs



  • Ha ha CD 😀

    “O’ hail the Messiah Lord Obama – communist”

    As I understand general Patton wanted to destroy the Communism. He wasn’t allowed. Wonder why?

    “Why jews murdered George Patton”


    It is 73 years since the death of General George S. Patton, but as in life he sets off a storm of controversy. My film Silence Patton raises the question of whether such a flawed character could have been right about his claim that because the Allied troops, some within 200 miles of Berlin, were held back from capturing the capital to let Soviet troops move in, the Cold War was inevitable.

    He said it loudly and often enough that he was relieved of command and silenced. Some even believe that the auto accident that claimed his life was no accident. What I’ve found since the film’s release is that Patton’s behavior, character and performance on the field is looked at not through the lens of history but is retrofit into the standards of today, forgetting that the 1940s were an ugly, challenging time for the Allies and that Patton was almost uniquely up to the challenge. Was he volatile, bombastic, self-absorbed, reckless? Yes, but he was also politically astute and a brilliant military strategist who delivered badly needed wins.

    Questions still abound about Patton’s rise and fall. I still have some myself, but here are my answers to the most pressing ones.

  • rationalobservations?

    Your persistence in recycling nonsense fail to render it less nonsensical.

    Believing in myths, legends and lies does not alter the status of myths, legends and lies.

    Recycling lies just condemns you as a liar.

  • RO. You don’t seem to see. Perhaps I have used too many words. I try to be shorter: “A single Believer is needed to prove God/Creator.”

    God bless you and your family

  • rationalobservations?

    It’s you who appear ignorant of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men among which your pathetic deity is nothing unusual, authentic original.

    You myths remain busted and your bunkum remains debunked.

  • Thanks again RO. I see things this way. There are no accidents in God’s Creation. God is in charge. He keeps you writing and me spreading His Word.

    IMPORTANT. God/Creator feeds billions of people and animals every day. Why shouldn’t we trust Him?

    (25) Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? (26) Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? (27) Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

    PLUS. How much grass is needed to keep a fisherman alive?

    In this lesson we will answer the question of why big fierce animals are rare, and along the way we will learn to answer the following questions as well:
    – How much of the sun’s energy is available to and assimilated by plants, and how is that measured?
    – How are gross production, net production, and ecosystem production related?
    – How are standing crop, turnover rate, and net primary production related?
    – What types of ecosystems have the highest rates of production, and which make the biggest contributions to worldwide primary production?
    – What factors limit the amount of primary production locally and worldwide?
    – What is the efficiency with which energy is converted from trophic level to trophic level?
    – What are the differences between assimilation efficiency, net production efficiency, and ecological efficiency?
    – How do ecosystems differ in the amount of biomass or number of organisms present at any point in time, and generated over time, at each trophic level?
    – How much energy is available to humans, how much do we use, and is that amount sustainable?

  • rationalobservations?

    Your pathetic USA centric conspiracy garbage appears as infantile as your superstitious garbage.

    You obviously have no idea how juvenile and ridiculous you appear to the rest of us.

    You have my sincere sympathy but earn no respect.

  • Seriously RO. Why are you careless? No reason to be. We live in a fallen World. Control gets worse as technology gets better. Things are spiritual. Certain people works for Satan. Read history and see.

    After the fall of man there was no free World. That means there never was a home/land of the brave/free. Perhaps I’m an infant. At least I try to be a Realist. I hope/pray that God/Creator opens your eyes before it is too late. I think George Orwell knew what he wrote.

    “1984 Oceania Patriotic Song”




    “Militant Youth Group”

    Finally. I think patriotism is OK but tyranny is not OK. So. Do we have hope? Will the tyranny end? Yes. It will end.

  • rationalobservations?

    Seriously Jyrki, why are you so ignorant, superstitious and gullible..?

    You fail to appreciate the hilarious irony of your remarks about tyranny when the most totalitarian tyrants have almost all been religious leaders.

  • RO. We all know but what is your (and Atheists’) realistic, not idealistic, solution?


    Good point Wolf. Satan is the prince of this World. He deceives lazy/religious people/sheeple. Clearly we are in the “Last Days”.

    Matthew 24:24 (KJV) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    Have You Read Your Copy of Sheeple Magazine Today?

    Sheeple are blind. They follow bad leaders.

    John 10:10-11 (KJV) The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

    Top image from here:


  • rationalobservations?

    The most peaceful nations today and in all human history are also the best educated free secular democratic populations in human history.

    The least peaceful nations contain a high percentage of the ignorant superstitious religionists.

    Ref: Global Peace Index.

    The solution to ignorance, superstition and conflict has already been demonstrated to be education and free secular democracy.

    I hope it reaches your bubble of ignorance soon.

    Religion poisons everything. Education and free secular democracy has already proved to be the antidote to that vile and deadly poison.

    Meanwhile fewer than 18% of Americans and fewer than 6% of Europeans can be found in a church on any given Sunday and religious superstitions are dying at an accelerating rate.

  • rationalobservations?

    You demonstrate everything you condemn my deluded sheeple friend.

  • That’s nice RO but I think there is not enough time to get your ideas accepted by the World. Instead all in the World indicate that what is predicted in the Bible will become REALITY.

  • rationalobservations?

    The idea of peaceful educated, secular democracy is already accepted by the third largest and fastest growing human demographic and is aspired to by the millennial generation all round the world.

    We outnumber your pathetic cult and all other individual dying cult’s.

    Your ignorance is only exceeded by your arrogance.

  • RO. I care. I warn. Truth hurts but it’s needed to get saved.

    (6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    IMPORTANT! God’s Word stands. If it stood not all would be relative and nothing would matter. Easy. Simple.

  • RO my friend. You asked this. I have bad news to you. The Evolution failed. It developed all kinds of religions. Sadly that’s not all. I have worse news to you. We can do nothing. The Evolution goes on by itself. Till… What? You tell me.

  • rationalobservations?

    You have expressed your bizarre delusions repeatedly but they remain infantile and ridiculous to the vast and growing majority of the rest of us.

    The time of ignorance and superstition is long past across most of the developed world and the better informed millennials within the parts of the world still brutally ruled by totalitarian religion.

    You follow one version of a confused and contradictory, historically inaccurate and historically unsupported book of human authored fiction called “a Bible”. That pathetic book is very significantly different from the oldest / first 4th century fabricated prototype bibles and no historical evidence supports their content just as no historical evidence supports the existence of Abraham, Jesus, David or Nazareth.

    Your myths remain busted and your ridiculous childish bunkum remains debunked.

    Grow up and try to get a grip on REALITY.

  • rationalobservations?

    You already established yourself as a deluded moron.
    Why continue after so comprehensively demonstrating you pathetic delusional condition of ignorance and gullibility?

  • rationalobservations?

    You deny evidence supported facts in favour of ridiculous childish garbage.

    Fortunately you represent a small and rapidly declining cohort so afflicted.

    You nonsense is risible and your fraudulent version of fraudulent bibles is garbage.

    You will die and merely cease to exist like all living things have during the 4,000,000,000 years of the evolution of life on earth and your delusions will die with you.

    All you do is waste the only brief opportunity to live, love, learn and teach between your personal nonexistence before conception and your eternal nonexistence after death.

    You waste you time on infantile myths, legends and lies but it is your exclusive and finite time to waste.

    You retain my sympathy but have yet to earn anything but contempt for your stubborn ignorance and childish gullibility.

  • Thanks for your sympathy RO. Still. I hope/pray that God/Creator opens your eyes to see that there is no evolution. I wish to see you and your family in heaven (soon).


  • Sure there are morons RO. Let’s be sensible. If one believes in evolution one has no reason to complain. Evolution is evolution. Simple. Easy.

  • rationalobservations?

    Your nonsense remains truly stupid and your repetitive garbage remains baseless and debunked.

    It’s a shameful spectacle to see someone wallow in wanton ignorance and childish superstition.

    You appear beyond help. Fortunately the majority of the human species of ape has moved beyond your condition of superstition and ignorance that looks like being eradicated within a generation or two in the developed world.

    Good luck but shame on you for wasting the only life you will get on such nonsense and ridiculous garbage.

  • rationalobservations?

    I don’t “believe” in evolution. I join all informed people in accepting the growing mountain of evidence that confirms the fact of evolution.

    The alternative to accepting the science of evolution is not creationism. It is profound and and embarrassing ignorance, superstition and gullibility.

    Shame on you.

  • rationalobservations?

    Your capitulation was predicted and expected. The lunatic fringe always runs away when unable to validate justify or excuse their idiocy.

    Please feel free to get back to us if you ever have anything logical, sensible and evidence supported to offer…

  • rationalobservations?

    Why is it that most “sins” are not crimes and harm no one and nothing and many crimes are not “sins”?

    THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU “SIN” by wearing clothes of mixed fibers, eating pork and seafood, failing to stone your child to death for disobedience, failing to follow the correct procedure for selling surplus daughters into slavery etc. Child abuse, women abuse, massacer of a defeated nation and the beating if slaves is all ok by your religion however.

  • Thanks for your fancy/nice/funny/nasty tongue RO. “Wallow” & “wanton”. Perhaps it’s time to lighten a little:)

    Americans Pronounce Welsh Town Names


    Ecclesiastes 1:9 (KJV) The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

    60 Reasons America is Mystery Babylon (Not Iraq)

    Strange Similarities Between Celtic & Semitic Languages!

    THE CELTIC LANGUAGES: The Lord’s Prayer


    The Ten Lost Tribes | Where They Went, What They Are Now Called

    PLUS +

    RO: “You appear beyond help. Fortunately the majority of the human species of ape has moved beyond your condition of superstition and ignorance that looks like being eradicated within a generation or two in the developed world.”

    Well… Looks like frogs left us/apes a bit behind. They seem to have ON/OFF buttons:D

    Freezing North American Wood Frogs

  • rationalobservations?

    Your obsession with conspiracy theories and other wacko fringe nonsense was already very well established. No reason for further demonstrations like this.

  • RO. I happen to be interested in things in general. For example marvelous things that God put in our bodies:)

    The Way Energy is Made – Mighty Mitochondria in Action!

  • rationalobservations?

    I did observe you had no need to further demonstrate your ignorance and childish superstitions.

    You surely have made enough of a fool of yourself already…

  • RO. Of course we have noticed that you are not serious. You just keep opposing God’s children. It’s quite harmless. Elsewhere the persecution is more severe:(

  • rationalobservations?

    Of course I don’t “oppose” of any of the fraudulent religions or believers in any of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men.

    Pity and ridicule is not opposition.

    Across the developed world your brand of ignorance and gullibility is reduced to a very small and rapidly declining minority of arrogant eccentric morons who the rest of us humour and only ridicule when they show the sort of infantile egotism you demonstrate.

    Fewer than 18% of Americans and fewer than 6% of Europeans are involved in any of the hundreds of residual cults and sects of fraudulent religions. Your numbers decline exponentially as demonstrated by the large and rapidly growing number of rotting empty redundant churches that litter our villages towns and cities.

    Your superstitions are risible, your imaginary undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men are pathetic and your ignorant superstitions are pathetic.

    Most folk politely ignore you and your infantile nonsense as I do unless directly confronted with that nonsense.

    If you think you have evidence of your god(s), present it. As there is no evidence of any of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men, accept your failure and move on.

  • rationalobservations?

    Your baseless propaganda is confounded by the evidence.


    Good or bad news? We will leave. This will remain:

    Planet 100: The Pacific Trash Vortex Explained



    10-10 mini-movie – No Pressure

  • rationalobservations?

    I find your pathetic addiction to conspiracy theories, myths legends and lies fascinating, but I wonder if you can actually function as a human being in this modern world?

    Drag your knuckles of the ground in your cave and try to form some more rational responses if you can…


    Please no more empty talking. We are sinners and we can’t make it without God’s mercy.

    1 John 1:8-10 (KJV) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

    (20) But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. (21) For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. (22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


  • Timothy Weston

    Best American rendering of the Beatitudes.

  • rationalobservations?

    Empty talking devoid of logic and evidence is all you ever offer, Jyrki.

    Your recycled empty propaganda is garbage.

    Your myths remain busted and your bunkum remains debunked.

    You cannot validate nonsense by quoting the nonsense.

    Waste no more of your time on this garbage.

  • My friend RO. Thanks for your activity. I think it’s time to say goodbye. God’s children have a worldwide family. Many of them sing beautifully.

    Worthy is the Lamb – Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir

    Power Praise – The Sweetest Name of All [ Korean ]

  • rationalobservations?

    So what?
    The whole population of Ancient Egypt paraded chanting and singing “Amen” in honour of the “god” they “knew” existed just as you deluded yourself you “know” your originally Canaanite god “Yahweh” and Roman god-man “Jesus”.

    Millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men among which yours are equally imaginary fictional and ridiculous.

    Waste your life if you must.
    Your capitulation will hopefully signal you plan to waste no more time of the rest of us

  • PEACE 😀

    Learn the meaning of the Hebrew word: SHALOM (Vocab Block)

    We bless Israel/Jacob. If the remnant of Israel wouldn’t call her King “hosanna” the World Peace couldn’t start. (Of course you know these things because you know what you oppose. Right?)


  • rationalobservations?

    There are no “accidents” in the entirely natural, measured and observed materially evolving 13,820,000,000 year old, magic and gods devoid universe and no sign of, or need for: magic or any of the millions of pathetic parochial undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men of the fiction of our so very recently evolved species of ape we call “human”.

    You infantile superstitions are based only upon ignorance and fiction.

    Millions of babies die in agony all the time and belief in your (or any) fictional and nonexistent god makes no difference to human outcomes.

    No prayers are answered and the brutal mindless survival of living thing best adapted to survive (evolution) continues regardless of you god delusions or contempt for all the millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men.

    I pity your ignorance and gullibility and am sad that you waste the only life you will ever have on such obvious nonsense.

    Best wishes and sincere sympathy to you and yours..

  • rationalobservations?

    You once again offer personal good wishes that I accept and return at an exclusively human level that is all there is.

    I can enjoy my long and happy life, my wife and adult children and the wonders of the infinite and rapidly expanding natural universe while still learning, teaching and gaining understanding across some of the sum total of vast human knowledge acquired by our very recently evolved species of ape – without any enslavement by the superstitious garbage that diverts you.

    Why can’t you enjoy the beauty of your garden without the need to fantasies about fairies in the bushes?

    Aren’t you a little old for imaginary friends?

  • Now you sound more serious than earlier RO. Though. I must turn you down. As I said before I was an Atheist. I was on the road to hell. I surely hope you begin to understand that I don’t want to travel that road again. Ever!

    You may know Chris Rea’s “Road To Hell”. I think its a good piece of music. This time I won’t play it. Instead I’d like to play “Looking For The Summer”. I find it visually enjoyable. Also certain words reminds me of apostle Paul.

    Rea: “And still I stand this very day
    With a burning wish to fly away
    I’m still looking, looking for the summer”

    Paul: “Christ means everything to me in this life, and when I die I’ll have even more. If I continue to live in this life, my work will produce more results. I don’t know which I would prefer. I find it hard to choose between the two. I would like to leave this life and be with Christ. That’s by far the better choice.” (Philippians 1:21-23)

    Chris Rea – Looking For The Summer

  • rationalobservations?

    I am deadly serious in all I write, my terrified and delusional friend.

    Hell was invented by men to enslave the ignorant and gullible folk like you.

    I am sad that the lies of barbarians have terrified you like this but if you really can’t be bothered to investigate the garbage you regurgitate – that is your burden and your prerogative.

    I do not take seriously that which is such obvious garbage.

    Life, love, learning and teaching and leaving the world a little better as we all move into the eternal nonexistence of death appears far more worthwhile than your pathetic enslavement to the nonsense of ignorant barbarians.

  • RO my friend. Perhaps I have been too plentiful. I try to minimize. Bible = good news.

  • rationalobservations?

    Which bible?
    The oldest prototype Codex Sinaiticus Bible written by four anonymous scribes in the late 4th century and contains two book not found in later versions along with evidence of at least another 800 years of editing and alterations?
    Or one of the very different modern bibles that contain quotes and events not mentioned in the prototype?

    You demonstrate your deluded, ignorant and gullible condition in each of your entries.
    Your bunkum remains debunked.

  • OK RO. I’ll try to keep this short.

    B = Best
    I = Information
    B = Before
    L = Leaving
    E = Earth

    When Will the Believing Be Leaving

    Instead of trying to answer every individual e-mail I receive, I thought it would be a good idea to create a web page that addresses the most commonly mentioned points of debate. This way, I can avoid repeating myself so many times; thereby, maintain my sanity.

    Nowhere in the Bible, can you find the word “rapture”

    It amazes me that some folks write to me, questioning the validity of the rapture, simply because the word “rapture” doesn’t appear in the Bible.

  • rationalobservations?

    Your pathetic bunkum fails to disguise your humiliating failure to answer my question or my challenge.

    I know the mythology better than you and I know the propaganda you fail to pass of as “evidence”.

    You are presenting yourself as a liar and a fanatic.


    Cartoon from here:

    As said before. Religions don’t save. God/Creator saves. I used to celebrate xmas/yule. Not anymore.

    The Pagan Origins of “Christmas”


    Symbols of an Alien Sky (Full Documentary)

  • rationalobservations?

    There is nothing “miraculous” within the entirely natural processes involved in the 4,000,000,000 years of the evolution of life on Earth or the very recent evolution of our own species of ape.

    You link to bizarre and incredible creationist lie factories and that merely demonstrates the depth of your personal ignorance and gullibility.

    There is a vast world of evidence based knowledge out here in the real world. Why do you ignore it in favour of myth, legends, fantasies and malicious lies?

  • RO my friend. I think you are a serious guy. Let’s get serious. God’s law is good. It protects life. Easy and simple.

    Learn the 10 Commandments


  • rationalobservations?

    The commandments invented by ancient ignorant long dead barbarians have little relevance to modern more civilized and better educated people.

    Do you follow all the biblical taboos?
    Have you stoned to death disobedient children or sold any daughters into slavery? Have you eaten pork or shellfish or sinned by wearing clothes of mixed fibres?
    Have you noticed that most fake “sins” are harmless human practices, most “sins” are not crimes and harm no one and nothing and that the whole “god’s laws” and “sin” scam is a protection racket invented by corrupt men to enslave ignorant and extremely gullible folk like you?

    There is only one “rule” that anyone needs to follow and most of us would follow by instinct.
    It’s called the “Golden Rule” and predates your corrupt and anti-humanitarian religion by millennia.

    Let’s really get serious and dump all this childish superstitious garbage and move on to a better and more humanitarian existence.

  • My friend RO. Somehow I realize that you haven’t read the law of the one and only living God. He knows His Creation. He knows what’s good for life. I recommend this song to children. (And everybody.)

    Learn the Ten Commandments using your hands SONG Fully Animated

    To adults. There are false teachers. God’s Word warns. We are in the “Last Days”.

    FALSE TEACHERS EXPOSED: Word of Faith/Prosperity Gospel | Justin Peters/SO4J-TV


    God bless you and your family (Acts 16:31)

  • rationalobservations?

    You dump garbage here like it was an open tip.
    Your myths and legends are well known and without value or validity.

    The first 4 “commandments” read.


    Incredible evil-ution! What else can I say?
    Mother of all questions:”Is there hope? Can evilution correct/heal itself?”
    What does it (evilution) say? Can it speak? Is it mute? Is it deaf?
    Really RO. You don’t see. Do you? Things are spiritual.
    Honest Scientist: “I know there is no evolution but I can’t believe in God.”
    Luckily people can change their minds. Anthony Flew did. (I did.)

    World’s foremost academic Atheist changes his mind (Antony Flew)


    I’m a Sinner. I need Father/Abba’s mercy.

    Luke 18:10-17 (KJV) Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.


    As we can see we live in a fallen World. We kill/murder each other. We (adults) murder innocent unborn babies (even newborn babies) in our legal “slaughterhouses”. Fortunately coin has two sides. God’s side is the better one:)

    Sad Abortion Story:(


    RO: “No prayers are answered and the brutal mindless survival of living thing best adapted to survive (evolution) continues regardless of you god delusions or contempt for all the millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men.”

    GOD: “If/when everybody takes the strong get. If/when everybody gives everybody gets.” Simple & easy.

    Of course no-one can give/get anything unless God/Creator gives first. Remember. He feeds billions of people and animals daily. Also remember. If He wouldn’t save Israel good life on Earth couldn’t start. Till then Israel’s bones are dry. Luckily God promised to bring Israel/Ephraim back to her land:)

    (21) And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: (22) And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

    Ezekiel’s Vision of the Valley of Dry Bones


  • rationalobservations?

    If/when everybody gives everybody gets.” Simple & easy
    – and no need for any childish superstition or belief in any of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods, goddesses or god-men to comply with and support that simple and 100% humanistic philosophy.

    Dumping the childish superstitions and infantile propaganda leaves us free to devote ourselves to purely humanitarian pursuits.

    Those who only do good in the hope of reward and fear of punishment after death are so much inferior to the rest of us who do good as its own reward.

    Once again your quoting human authored fiction fails to validate that human authored fiction.

    You have very clearly demonstrated that you believe only because you have been indoctrinated with faith and have faith exclusively because you have been brainwashed to believe.

    Give us some evidence for the existence of any of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods, goddesses and god-men and some historical evidence in support of your confused and contradictory mythology and we can discuss the validity of that evidence. Endlessly quoting unsupported garbage fails to do anything but make you look ever more silly and gullible.

  • Thanks RO. Only a slight change is needed. Common sense: “If/when everybody gives everybody gets.”

    Missing image:

    Ezekiel Chapter 36 Theme: Prediction of Israel’s Sins Judged and Forgiven.

    Actually. How can anybody prove evolution?

    Again. As we see blindness is a spiritual thing.

  • rationalobservations?

    You still offer no evidence of, or need for, any of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods goddesses and god-men or any of the human institutions of religion that invented them.

  • My friend RO. Things are spiritual. Without God’s call no-one would be interested in the salvation. God may call three times.

    (29) Lo, all these things doth God work, Twice, yea thrice, with a man,

    Faith/salvation is given from above.

    (3) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    (17) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    God is good. He gave us the Internet to share the Good Message:)

    God bless you and your family

  • rationalobservations?

    You are asked for evidence supported facts and respond with nothing but bull$#1t and propaganda. You should be getting to know that doesn’t do anything but annoy the third largest and fastest growing human demographic of the godless and superstition free humans that now outnumber any individual cult, sect and business of fraudulent religions?

    There is no historical evidence of the existence (and centuries later written ridiculous legends) of “Jesus”. Nothing!
    There is no evidence of the existence of any of the millions of undetected and undetectable gods, goddesses and god-men – including the pathetic originally Canaanite god “Yahweh” and Roman god-man “Jesus”.

    The oldest/first bibles were written by small teams of men in the late 4th century and those pathetic prototypes and very, very different from those in circulation today that were written, re-written and re-re-re-re-re-written, added to and deleted from, edited, amended, exaggerated and re-re-written by later living teams of men until the bizarre and internally contradictory, historically inaccurate and historically unsupported, scientifically absurd versions of bibles in circulation today were fabricated.

    There is NO basis to the garbage you continue to spill onto these pages, Jyrki. The sooner you investigate and confirm that fact the sooner you will cease to appear such a mindless and gullible buffoon.

    Try a few evidence based links as a refreshing alternative to the ridiculous, baseless, nonsensical , dishonest propaganda and lies you continually link to.

  • rationalobservations?

    Recycling more propaganda and lies (especially the lie regarding Antony Flew! How dare you!) fails to do anything but further demonstrate your ignorance and gullibility.
    There is a reading list attached to the reply to another of your ridiculous and dishonest entries. Please read through that list before contaminating any column with your further recycled lies and unsupported garbage.
    You should be ashamed of yourself!