believing in the physical resurrection: do’s and don’t’s

believing in the physical resurrection: do’s and don’t’s October 10, 2013
bodily resurrection cartoon by nakedpastor david hayward
“Bodily Resurrection” (by nakedpastor David Hayward)

This morning I drew a cartoon and wrote a brief post on the discussion between Tony Jones and Marcus Borg on the physical material resurrection of the body of Jesus.

I had two cartoons, so here’s the second one.

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  • Pat68

    Yeah, some people don’t understand how someone can say they’re a Christian and believe certain things. But Christianity is far more vast than some people realize and when we get into our little enclaves, it can be easy to think the world is no bigger than what you believe.

  • mirele

    Well, if it was just the bodily resurrection, I probably wouldn’t have bailed on the church. But it wasn’t just the bodily resurrection, it was that the Jesus pushed by the gospels and the other writings of the New Testament, as well as the writings that followed after, well, there are just so many problems. When I finally admitted to myself that maybe what was being said about Jesus just wasn’t exactly what happened, it was like I had yanked the rug out from under myself. I’m still trying to recover from that, and I doubt I will.

    It probably would have helped if I hadn’t studied the origins of modern religious movements and saw how religious mythology gets formed. It’s hard not to retroject that kind of thinking back into the beginnings of Christianity and ask “did that really happen or was it something made up because it served a particular purpose, one that may not be at all clear to someone living two millennia later?” Or something like that. What makes this doubly difficult is that as a religious belief, you’re not really supposed to question, but only believe. I can’t do that, it’s a personal betrayal to my mind.

  • well stated mirele. I am like you, but I feel some folks can partition their minds more easily on these issues because maintaining the label “Christian” is still very important to them — irrespective of the content. There are usually huge vested interests.

  • Worthless Beast

    I’ve not read the banter, because I’ve seen it all before. In fact, I’m actually afraid to register my own opinion most of the time. Theology aside, I actually have a fantasy/science fiction (wannabe) writer’s opinion on this, and it’s this:

    Once human beings figure out how to do resurrection, it will stop being a big deal.

    Think about it. The Resurrection is a big fat contentious deal to us because, in our experience, and by nature, dead things tend to stay dead. However, I’ve read about / seen some reports on science trying to figure out how to “coldsleep” people for the purposes of taking care of wounds that would be fatal and bringing them back. If we figure that out, “resurrection” of a sort will happen all the time and will be like organ transplants are today (tell someone two-hundred years ago about that and watch people laugh at you). Maybe people in the far future will even figure out how to reverse decay. And then, because it is by the hand of Man (concrete) rather than the “hand of God,” (a matter of faith), that which was once “something only stupid people believed in” will happen – at least for those who can pay the insurance.

    Hmmm. I also once wrote a fantasy short story about a guy who was inexplicably resurrected and *did not want to be.* He suffered things such as family cherishing his memory more than the real him, learning that he’d become a martyr for a minor cause he’d never support and a portion of the public hating his very existence because he represented a miracle they didn’t want to believe in. He hated being called a “zombie” – because he was more of a litch, but non-evil.

  • Well, David, thanks for the pointer to this “dialogue”. I read their posts.

    Those posts (and that silly argument, which your cartoon here rightly criticizes) and your last post on selling the whole package inspired me to do a post (with a picture) called: “Your Own Quantum Jesus“. I am sure you could capture the idea much better but I tried.

  • Cool diagram and post Sabio!

  • Robert Landbeck

    A new interpretation of the ‘Significance’ of the Resurrection of Jesus looks set to change the existing faith paradigm and maybe history itself. A new teaching predicated upon the ‘promise’ of a precise, predefined, and predictable experience of transcendent omnipotence and called ‘the first Resurrection’ in the sense that the Resurrection of Jesus was intended to demonstrate Gods’ willingness to reveal Himself and intervene directly into the natural world for those obedient to His will, paving the way for access, by faith, to the power of divine Will and ultimate proof!

    Thus ‘faith’ becomes an act of trust in action, the search along a defined path of strict self discipline, to discover His ‘Word’ of a direct individual intervention into the natural world by omnipotent power that confirms divine will, law, command and covenant, which at the same time, realigns our mortal moral compass with the Divine, “correcting human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness and human ethical perception beyond all natural evolutionary boundaries.” Thus is a man ‘created’ in the image and likeness of his Creator.

    So in spite of a Master of Theology, Diploma in Ministry, over 30 years professional pastoral experience, a new religious teaching, testable by faith, meeting all Enlightenment criteria of evidence based causation and definitive proof now exists. Nothing short of an intellectual, moral and religious revolution is getting under way. To test or not to test, that is the question? More info at