Same-Sex Marriage and Opposite-Sex Divorces

Same-Sex Marriage and Opposite-Sex Divorces June 28, 2015

Heterosexual divorces and same-sex marriages

If those who are against same-sex marriages want to use the Bible to argue against such marriages, they will need to explain why they are taking only part of the biblical definition of marriage. And if they want to complain about the redefinition of marriage, they should focus on the redefinition that made marriage a temporary commitment. After all, opposite-sex divorces are much more common than same-sex marriages will ever be.

This quote from Kevin A. Wilson was part of a longer post on Facebook. I am grateful to him for permission to quote him here, as his point seemed meme-worthy. It highlights the fact that conservatives chooses very carefully which of the many things they consider sins to focus on, and how to focus on them. Some conservatives are indeed adamantly opposed to divorce. But even in their cases, you will note that there is no attempt to use the prohibition of divorce as a campaign platform, and no public cries for a change of legislation on this issue of the kind that we see them make in connection with same-sex marriage.

It is almost as if they do not actually care about following the teaching of Jesus, who not only spoke explicitly about divorce, but also about hypocrisy…


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  • Gakusei Don

    A slight tangent, but the wonderful “The Onion” satirical website has a Youtube clip on the government wanting to ban loveless marriages, on the basis that “marriage should be between two people who love each other.” Very funny!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVeGUSGkhfw

    • Gary

      As reported by Garrison Keillor, Prairie Home Companion. Loveless couples in Minnesota a direct result of Lutheran couples eating too much lutefisk. Suffering in silence is expected, by Minnesota Lutherans. Thus, talking with your dog is preferable to talking with your spouse. Your dog doesn’t talk back.

  • “After all opposite-sex divorces are much more common than same-sex marriages will ever be. “Will ever be.”

    Really? Well I guess with less than 2% of the population homosexual, Mr. Wilson is secure in his prediction.

    From: http://www.bilerico.com/2010/03/us_gay_mens_astonishing_hivstd_rates.php

    “At the National STD Prevention Conference on Wednesday, the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) released some astonishing data regarding rates of infection among MSM (Men who have Sex with Men).

    The data indicate that rates of HIV infection among gay men and other men who have sex with men (MSM) are more than 44 times higher than rates among heterosexual men and more than 40 times higher than women. Rates of syphilis, an STD that can facilitate HIV infection and, if left untreated, may lead to sight loss and severe damage to the nervous system, are reported to be more than 46 times higher among gay men and other MSM than among heterosexual men and more than 71 times higher than among women.”

    Have a nice and safe sex day, Mr. Wilson.

    • John MacDonald

      I’m not sure what your point is. Are you saying God hates homosexuals so He punishes them with a higher rate of STDs than heterosexuals?

      • Kubricks_Rube

        I assume Keika’s saying that the legal and social recognition of the dignity of LGBT people, especially those in committed relationships, will go a long way toward addressing this unfortunate but not magical statistic.

        • I don’t think so. Better health choices by gays might, though. Note that lesbians (who are unmentioned in the Bible) are not anywhere near as well-known for STIs. Presumably because of better health choices.

        • Tim

          Well, there’s that; and there’s this: “There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics.” -Mark Twain
          I’m pretty sure what Mr. Twain meant by this is that statistics don’t tell the whole story.

          I haven’t done the medical research on the phenomenon, but could this statistic have something to do with anal sex? It seems I recall reading somewhere a few years back that this is a much more risky behaviour medically speaking with respect to STD transmission.

          • Kubricks_Rube

            Transmission, yes, but STDs don’t spontaneously materialize. If two men in a committed relationship don’t have an STD they’re not going to get one, no matter how much anal sex they have with each other. And as the recognition and acceptance of the dignity and legitimacy of same-sex relationships expands, there will be more and more committed same-sex couples (and less and less self-destruction behavior by members of an alienated, marginalized group as the group is less and less alienated and marginalized).

          • Brian Price

            Homosexual marriage is venturing into uncharted unholy waters, where the word commitment does not hold much weight, in a homosexual relationship, the whole idea behind male homosexual relations is more sex, more often, opposite of a heterosexual relationships, this also means sex with multiple gay partners, where gay orgies are encouraged, also Bi sexual encounters, Another thing that needs to be looked at is male gay adoptions, they seem to always want to adopt a boy child instead of a girl, possibly to make the boy child a new recruit, by incest or child molestation.

          • I am tired of your assertions without any justification, whether by citing published sources or to indicate that you know these things from your own personal life experience.

    • Oh no! I just found out that cystic fibrosis is most common among white people of European ancestry. Does that mean that God hates all my white Christian neighbors? But wait! I’m Jewish, and Tay-Sachs disease is most common among Ashkenazi Jews. Damn!

      I’m not a Christian, so correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Jesus cure the sick? Or did he teach us how to pass judgment based on who was sick with what?

      • I would say your chances of picking up Tay-Sachs or Cystic Fibrosis at a gay bar are practically nil. Unless of course, that be their names. I would suggest you stay clear of the men’s room also because you do risk getting HIV or STDs if you practice risky behavior there. Shalom.

  • “But even in their cases, you will note that there is no attempt to use
    the prohibition of divorce as a campaign platform, and no public cries
    for a change of legislation on this issue of the kind that we see them
    make in connection with same-sex marriage.”
    -That’s because they’re conservatives, that is, fossilized liberals from ten to twenty years ago, not reactionaries.

  • Quimper

    Really, peoples positions/opinions (politician or not) on divorce, and/or homosexual marriage if not in line with the clear statements of scripture really is not the issue is it?
    Clearly, homosexual marriage, and divorce is sin, as is fornication, adultery, etc. We need God’s Kingdom evermore!
    What do we pray? “Let your Kingdom come, let Your Will be done, as it is in heaven…” Yes, only God’s Kingdom will solve all of these ills of man. No vote for any politician is going to solve our issues. Only God’s Kingdom will do this. Are you a Christian? Do you believe in this literal Government (Kingdom) That Christ prayed for and commanded us to pray for?

    • T-Paine

      You need it? So go to it. Act like God’s Kingdom matters to you – by following it. Lead by example instead of ordering others to be moral for you.

      • Quimper

        Need it? Mankind needs it of course. No, nobody is ordering anyone to do anything they do not want to do. I understand that faith is not a possession of all men, but for those who just may have been searching I offer the true message of Christ, that of the impending Kingdom of God.

        • T-Paine

          I offer the true message of Christ, that of the impending Kingdom of God.

          Fancy yourself a prophet? A second John the Baptist? Self-appointed prophets are a penny per hundred. And where do you think the Kingdom of God is? Do you believe it’s a real place?

          • Quimper

            No, not at all. They are not my words. They are Christ’s.
            Where it (God’s Kingdom/Government) is, and where it is coming to? Christ stated, “Let your Kingdom come on earth, as it is in heaven…”

          • T-Paine

            And look around you. Your promise kingdom of god began as ink on paper long ago, written by who knows whom – propagated by religious institutions down through the ages. Many a monarch/emperor/autocrat/king/tyrant/religious leader has justified his rule using the texts that you take for absolute truth – and ruled with an iron fist with it.

            But you want to know something? All throughout the middle ages people were
            promised – promised that this kingdom was as real as oppression that was
            inflicted on them by their rulers. As real as the sweat on their brow as they worked in the fields. As real as the taxes they had to pay. As real as the tithes they payed to their church.

            They were promised that this kingdom that was depicted in ink on paper wasn’t just that – ink on paper, but a reality that would come true in their lifetimes. They were promised this by the very authorities who propagated the writings of which this kingdom is depicted in – authorities who were in every position possible to exploit the peasants’ need to believe who were told repeatedly that their religious leaders had their best interests in mind and that they were the representatives of absolute truth.

            So here we are today 2015. And what’s changed? The promise of the kingdom – still ink on paper. The people – still promised this by the very institution who propagated the writings of which this kingdom is depicted in – an institution which is in every position to exploit the people’s need to believe, that the promise of the kingdom in ink on paper it isn’t just that – ink on paper, but a reality that would come true in their lifetimes. A reality that will be as real as the taxes they have to pay, as real as the tithes they pay to their churches, as real as the mortgage on their homes, as real as the cancer that’s slowly eating them away, as real as – well, you get the picture. All told by ones who present themselves as representatives of absolute truth.

            What am I to make of someone who in this day in age is like the peasant 100 – 200 – 400 – 800 – 1600 years ago believes in a promise – a kingdom, a kingdom that is just at hand, that would occur in their lifetimes, a kingdom written in ink on paper?

          • Quimper

            I am confident that those who have gone before us, who hearts on God knows will be given that promise of a chance at life everlasting. I admit that faith in GOD(YHWH) is not something everyone has in them. This too is indicative of man’s free will to choose for themselves what they want. I have freedom in Christ the son of God, others see their freedom coming from themselves, or those they elect, or many cases in a particular political party.
            I’m sort of an odd ball of sorts, as I do not ascribe to any particular religion of Christendom. I’m church-less, so to speak, in fact if I’m anything I’m one of a very few scattered brethren strewn out across the face of the earth. Having grown up Orthodox Christian, then an 18 year stint as a JW, then a 10 year void, then the Calvary Movement for a time, then back to Orthodoxy, to only have my eyes opened wide that The Great Apostacy that Paul spoke of had already settled in near his time.

          • T-Paine

            Do you believe this because of the promise of eternal life?

          • Quimper

            No, because I’ve been a person of faith since I was a very young boy in spite of being abused (not sexually) by a nun at a catholic school. My faith was never in a religion, nor in any sort of promise of eternal life in heaven, or in a paradise earth, or under a compulsion to believe “because” of threat of going to some place called hell if I were not a “good” Christian.
            Once a person gets passed much of the crap churches throw at you with their various false doctrines, only then can one see the genuine face of God.
            I know a very prominent ex board of director member of a worldwide Christian organization. He has written authoritative books on the Greek and Hebrew Text. From his research he found certain truths that went against church doctrine, and when his church told him to not publish said truths that he un covered, he walked away from that organization and into an anonymous life in Washington State.
            And you know what? He is celibate because of his faith in, and love for God. And you know what? He likes men, and not women. Nonetheless, his love and faith in God is such that he remains celibate.

        • John MacDonald

          Your “Kingdom of God” has been “impending” for over 2000 years. 10 000 years from now it will still be “impending.”

          • Quimper

            You seem to be very confident in that prediction. Are you a prophet? (grin)

          • John MacDonald

            Yes. I’m a prophet. God revealed to me that only the atheists are getting into heaven because they are the only ones who do good without expecting a divine reward.

          • Quimper

            It’s simply not about being a good boy or girl, but that aside, Heaven?

            What about the literal Kingdom here on earth (and I’m quoting here just one related scripture) He will wipe every tear from their eyes. “There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

            Will you be there too just because you are a good boy or girl even though you deny the very existence of your Heavenly Father?

          • John MacDonald

            My Heavenly Father doesn’t hold it against me that I don’t believe in him. He is understanding in this area because He realizes that He didn’t give me enough evidence to believe in Him. On the other hand, He won’t invite believers to be part of Heaven On Earth because he doesn’t want to spend eternity putting up with people that naïve and gullible. God is too cool to let you be part of “The Eternity In-Crowd.”

          • Quimper

            Well, it is true that, “Only God Knows The Heart…”

            Proof of His existence? The truth is that we are surrounded by evidence of a Creator who is wise, powerful, and loving. What is this evidence you say, and how compelling is it? For the answer, consider the words of the apostle Paul recorded in his letter to Christians in Rome.

            Paul said: “His [God’s] invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.” (Romans 1:20) The Creator left his imprint on his handiwork, as Paul pointed out. Let us take a closer look at Paul’s words.

            God’s qualities could be seen “from the world’s creation onward,” notes Paul. In this context the Greek word rendered “world” does not refer to the planet Earth. Rather, it refers to humankind. * Hence, Paul is saying that from the moment humans were created, they could see evidence of the Creator’s qualities in the things he made.

            Mr. MacDonald, my Friend, that evidence is all around us. It is not hidden in nature but is “clearly seen.” From the largest to the smallest, creation clearly reveals not only that there is a Creator but also that he has wonderful qualities. Does not the intelligent design so obvious in nature reveal to us God’s wisdom? Do not the starry heavens and the pounding surf reveal his power? Does not the variety of foods that delight our palate and the beauty of sunrises and sunsets reveal his love for mankind?—Psalm 104:24; Isaiah 40:26.

            How plain is the evidence? It is so clear that those who do not see it and who thus refuse to believe in God “are inexcusable.” One scholar illustrates it this way: Imagine a driver who ignores a sign that says “Detour—Turn Left.” A police officer stops him and starts writing him a ticket. The driver tries to argue that he did not see the sign. But his words carry little weight because the sign is in plain view and there is nothing wrong with the driver’s vision. Besides, as a driver, the responsibility for seeing and heeding such signs is his. So it is with the evidence of God in nature. That “sign” is in plain view. As reasoning creatures, we are capable of seeing it. There is no excuse for ignoring it.

          • John MacDonald

            If there was a loving, caring, personal God who watches over us and has a plan for our lives, there wouldn’t be two year old children suffering horribly and dying in cancer wards. That’s not love. As for the idea that God has a plan for our lives, there are contradictory tendencies in the bible toward asserting mutually exclusive accounts of God’s faculty of understanding in relation to human existence. But how could there be no plan? After all, Jeremiah 1:5 says “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” Doesn’t this mean that God knows your life before you were born, and has a purpose for it? No, it means nothing of the sort. God set the character in the book of Jeremiah aside for this knowledge, not you. We see, for instance, a counter-example in the book of Job, where God had no prior
            knowledge of Job’s future life, to the extent that Satan moved God to give Job a life that God had never even considered before Satan had caused him to do it: “And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered
            my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause (Job 2:3).”

          • Quimper

            I don’t think there is anything further I could share with you in order for you to soften your heart and rid yourself of your bitterness. I’ve posed the very same challenges, and questions you have herein to myself, and others quite a long time ago when i went through my agnostic period.
            I can only offer up that I truly understand how you can feel the way you do, but I cannot change your heart or your mind. I do know however if you ever are earnestly wanting to see that your line of thinking is incorrect, that by God’s free and underserving love and grace, you will see it, and you will become a believer.

          • John MacDonald

            At the lowest time of my life, I did indeed fall to my knees and cried out to Christ to come into my life and make my broken heart whole. I asked Christ to come into my life, but nothing happened. I felt nothing. I asked to be saved but Christ simply did not come into my life. I guess belief comes easily to some, but for others like me I couldn’t believe no matter how hard I tried. Hence, I remain an atheist.

    • John MacDonald

      I think it’s important to remember that the reasons conservative Christians disagree with homosexuality probably aren’t the same reasons that the writers of the bible disagreed with homosexuality. Bart Ehrman points out that in terms of the writers of the bible, “many authors thought same-sex sexual acts between adult, free, men were “unnatural” because it meant that one of these persons was being submissive to the other. The one who was enforcing submission (by penetrating the other) was not thought to have behaved unnaturally. Adult free men were *supposed* to dominate others. (So, for many ancients, a man’s sex with a boy was not a problem; or sex with a male slave; or with anyone else he was supposed to dominate).”

      • Quimper

        All due respect, but your lack of an overall background of knowledge both in secular history of those times, and regions, and your clear lack of scriptural knowledge is glaring.
        My work is done here…

        • When someone lacks knowledge you think they should have, your “work is done.” What on earth is your “work”?!

        • John MacDonald

          I would think that if you are a follower of Jesus and you find me lacking in knowledge, you would be kind enough to “teach” me, especially since Jesus was a “Rabbi,” (which means “Teacher”) – John 1:38

  • Good point, James.

  • archaeologist

    Opposite divorces or the fact that they take place in great numbers, still does not justify allowing sin to be considered good, normal or even normal. Nor does the fact that political candidates ignore biblical teaching when campaigning or living their lives allow for same-sex marriage to be considered for legality or acceptance.

    • T-Paine

      Why should anyone listen to hypocrites who preach but seldom practice. If you don’t act like you don’t believe any of this – why should anyone else?

      • archaeologist

        No one has said to listen to hypocrites; you are to listen to God and he has not changed his mind about divorce or same-sex marriage.

        • T-Paine

          I don’t have any gods nor follow them, much less a religious law for the ancient Jewish people. But you do. YOU go listen to your god and YOU GO follow the religious laws that you adhere to. Act like you believe it and actually adhere to your religion instead of chastising outsiders to submit to another person’s faith.

          • archaeologist

            so you attack and blame me for something i have not done. how nice of you

          • T-Paine

            Not you personally but you as in Christians as a whole.

          • archaeologist

            before you judge Christians in general so harshly, maybe you should take the time to remember that 1. not all Christians are perfect, holy and abide by God’s rules all the time; 2 not all are mature Christians and that they may not have achieved in their lives what God would want; 3. make errors in judgment; and so on.

            do not hold Christians to a standard they know nothing about or to one that is so high you could not meet it yourself

          • T-Paine

            1. not all Christians are perfect, holy and abide by God’s rules all the time;

            No Christians are perfect, period

            2 not all are mature Christians and that they may not have achieved in their lives what God would want; 3. make errors in judgment; and so on.

            Too many immature Christians. And I generalize because you all read from the same book and claim to worship the same god and the “mature” never sort themselves out or reprimand “immature” Christians. Let me illustrate an example:

            Let’s say you come into my house and I
            welcome you to a
            nice giant glass bowl of M&Ms. I invite you to help yourself to as
            many M&Ms as you’d like because you are my guest and I put the giant
            bowl of M&Ms out for you. As you reach into the bowl for a
            handful, I also inform you that three dozen or so M&Ms in the bowl
            were saturated with very high concentrations of arsenic. You can’t tell
            which M&Ms in the bowl are o.k. and which are poisoned with arsenic
            because they all look exactly the same – only by eating them and
            digesting them could you know the difference. But I assure you, over 90%
            of the M&Ms in the giant bowl are totally fine. Now, would you take
            a handful of M&Ms to eat? Or even bother to touch the bowl of
            M&Ms?

            do not hold Christians to a standard they know nothing about or to one that is so high you could not meet it yourself

            These are YOUR (Christians) standards! Or supposedly your god’s standards! If you don’t expect yourselves to adhere to these standards, then why fault or chastise non-Christians who don’t adhere to them?

          • archaeologist

            the M&M example makes no sense and has nothing to do with Christians or the Bible.

            You also forget that evil tempts believers and if the Christian falls, he or she falls. Mistakes happen but I see you are being unreasonable as they are not my christian standards, you do not understand christian standards nor how to apply them and forget that Christians are human.

            i wonder why you are watching christians so much yet do not put into practice what God wants in your own life instead?

            maturity depends upon the person an dhow deep they want to go with God. there is just far too much involved for you to think that you or the above writer are qualified to make such statements.

          • T-Paine

            My example was simple: Just like not all Christians are rotten, not all the M&Ms were toxic. Also, I watch Christians because as much as they preach so much of the good word but avoided following it like the plague, yet they expend everyone else who isn’t Christian to follow their god’s laws when most seldom do it themselves. And I do put into practice what I want in my life, I do what’s in my own best interests which are live well and consider and respect the sovereign rights of my fellow men and women. I don’t pretend to speak for a god and I don’t pretend to know what a god wants in other people’s lives either.

            I wish for freedom and equal rights to all citizens regardless of beliefs. Do you?
            I don’t pretend to know what a god wants, thinks, feels, smells etc. Do you?
            I don’t believe that all should submit to one religion and one book. Do you?
            I believe that secular society is the best for all citizens religious and nonreligious. Do you?

          • archaeologist

            your idea of freedom and equal rights erases the standards of right and wrong and morality and immorality.

            God tells us what he wants in the Bible

            there is only one way to salvation. you find it in one God and one Bible.

            how can blind, deceived, fallible, unknowing secular society be good for anyone? as we have seen over the millennia, secular society is incapable of governing fairly, honestly, justly and that it cannot solve problems including, social unrest, education and on goes the list

          • Just offering your usual blind, deceived, fallible, unknowing opinion again is obviously not persuasive as a response.

          • archaeologist

            obviously you have a distorted view of those who disagree with your side of the issue.

            how is it my opinion when Jesus said ‘i am the way the truth and the life no man cometh to the father but by me’

            how is it my opinion when Jesus said, ‘why do you call me lord when you do not do the things I say?’

            where do we find God’s instructions? throughout the whole Bible.

          • T-Paine

            your idea of freedom and equal rights erases the standards of right and wrong and morality and immorality.

            And your idea of right and wrong and morality and immorality erases the standards of freedom of equal rights.

            You have freedoms and guaranteed rights as (I presume) an American citizen – just like every of their American. If the freedoms and the guaranteed rights of non-Christian Americans that you share with violates your “standards” of right and wrong and morality and immorality, then you have the freedom to renounce your citizenship and move to any other country that does not grant you the freedom that you enjoy here and does not promise you the equality that you enjoy here. Or, you can move to some unclaimed place on the globe and make your own government – a government that grants rights only to people who share the same religious beliefs you have and marginalizes or persecute those who do not.

            God tells us what he wants in the Bible

            “God” is confined within the pages of the texts that we’re written by the apologists and theologians of their days.

            there is only one way to salvation. you find it in one God and one Bible.

            These things only exist in ink on paper. They are just words. Tales of promises of eternal life and resurrection written by men who died – and stayed dead. Tales believed and repeated by the desperate throughout the centuries who died – and stayed dead,

            how can blind, deceived, fallible, unknowing secular society be good for
            anyone? as we have seen over the millennia, secular society is
            incapable of governing fairly, honestly, justly and that it cannot solve
            problems including, social unrest, education and on goes the list

            Our secular society is very, very young. Religion and State have been intertwined since the dawn of civilization. And let’s face it, Christians such as yourself have thrived in spectacular ways because of secularization: Because of this secular nation we live in, you can be any kind of Christian you want, go to any church you want, donate as much money to your church you want or none at all, own any type of bible you like or none at all. As far as societal problems, Christianity hasn’t solved any of them – none. Many times Christianity even exacerbates these problems, if you can get most Christians to even acknowledge these problems in the first place. For over 2,000 years of Christianity and 1600 years of Christianity dominating western culture and civilizations, not one of these problems were solved – many of times they were made worse.

            Your blind allegiance to an uncompromising narrow-minded ideology and it’s central text is what prevents you from seeing the world realistically and thus solving it’s problems realistically. Just like the saying: If you only have a hammer as a solution, then all problems will look like nails to you.

          • archaeologist

            actually they do not. they let people know what is the correct thing to do and the rewards or benefits that come with living that life while also informing them the sacrifice they must make if they do not want to follow the rules.

            secular society is not young, it has been around since almost the beginning of time.

            you say narrow minded yet have you forgotten that those vendors who had constitutional rights to practice what they believe were sued by very narrow minded people who could not just exit and go to another vendor.

            so you support ruining someone’s life simply because they stuck by their constitutional and religious rights

          • T-Paine

            Despite your profound ignorance on all of these subjects, this IS a secular country – it always WAS and always WILL BE. There WILL be freedom and equal rights for all citizens and it WILL stay that way. Society is marching on and it’s leaving people like you behind. YOUR kind is losing and will KEEP losing. If you don’t like it, then find some desert island to settle on and form your own government there and take ALL YOUR FRIENDS WITH YOU. You will NOT be missed.

            I’m done engaging you. I’m out.

          • Quimper

            Very well put… When asked how many times we should forgive, should it be up to seven times? Jesus answered, “no seventy-seven times!”. Obviously this denotes countless times. Folks it is not only about just being good people, or being moral. We have been given the gift of life everlasting in the Kingdom of God right here on the beautiful planet.

          • archaeologist

            thank you

    • Gary

      I prefer to listen to Yahweh and Moses’ definition of Biblical Marriage.
      17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women-children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

      • archaeologist

        since you do not understand why God gave that comand i will let it go. God defined marriage in Genesis and same-sex was not a part of the definition

        • Your deification of the authors of Genesis is idolatry. Genesis defines marriage in terms of companionship. Do you reject Genesis and claim instead that it is good for gays and lesbians to be alone?

          • archaeologist

            you are greatly deceived and follow deception. i have done no such thing, well for Moses anyways but the real author of Genesis is God so he is alreasdy deified.

            lesbians are homosexuals by the way. there is no need to give them a separate category.

            homosexuals had/have the right to marry an opposite sex mate but they did not want to follow the rules so if they are alone that is their fault not God’s.

          • When and how did God tell you that he is the real author of Genesis?

            Genesis depicts Adam as feeling as though Eve was his other half. That feeling seems to involve sexual attraction, although it is not limited to it. Are you saying that in fact marriage should not have anything to do with sexual attraction, that it is just a matter of platonic companionship? That isn’t the impression the Bible gives.

            But I will warn you one last time. You were banned previously for trolling. If you continue to simply say “You are greatly deceived” as though it could not be you who are greatly deceived, as though in fact you believe in your own divinity and infallibility, then the ban will be reinstated. I would prefer to let you comment here, but you must understand that you need to make the case for your views, and not simply usurp divine authority for your opinions.

          • archaeologist

            if you are going to ban me for those observations, i would hope that you would not be hypocritical and warn/ban yourself for the words you used towards me.

            You would have to define your idea of divine authority, where it can be found and how one comes to it instead of just making it an arbitrary sledge hammer you can wield whenever you do not like what some one says.

            oh and to answer your question, God has told everyone throughout the ages that he is the author of Genesis and the rest of the books of the bible

          • As fun as it would be to ask for your explanation of how a blogger ought to go about banning himself from his own blog, I think we should end this here. You are obviously not taking this seriously, when on the one hand, you say that one must define their idea of divine authority, and then on the other, you claim that “God has told everyone throughout the ages that he is the author of Genesis and the rest of the books of the bible.” Seriously, can you not stop making stuff up and try to make a rational case for your viewpoint? Or are the things you assert in fact so unimportant to you that you actually do not want to persuade others to believe them?

            If I thought you would and could answer such questions, you would still be a welcome participant in the discussion here. But alas, it is time to say farewell.

        • Gary

          “since you do not understand why God gave that comand i will let it go”…
          Please tell me why. While you are at it, I assume you view God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as One. Therefore, explain by using “Jesus”, instead of God.
          Example, from your own words, “since you do not understand why Jesus gave that comand i will let it go”. Please explain. I would like to hear it in your own words.

    • The latest Supreme Court ruling still gives you the freedom to believe and say anything you like. You just don’t get to force others to abide by your restrictions.

      Love wins!

      • archaeologist

        sadly, you do not know what love is or means.

        • These bald assertion troll comments are what got you banned once before. If you wish to make a case for your view then do so. Otherwise, there is no point or propriety in asserting again and again what you have already asserted.

          • archaeologist

            that isn’t a troll comment. it is stating the truth. if you think wiping out the standards of right and wrong, good and evil, morality and immorality is love, then your view of love needs revising.

          • If you think that merely quoting ancient people as though they were God gives you a standard of right and wrong, then your view of morality needs revising. I am on the side of the secular ethics that declare it wrong to kill the men in a city and take their wives as property, not on the side of those ancient who thought otherwise.

          • archaeologist

            i am quoting God who used ancient people to write down his thoughts.

            Do you want God’s revelation to be equal to Joseph Smith’s golden plates, accessed by only 1 untrained and unqualified person then have those words removed so no one can double check what was said?

            If you are on the side of secular ethics, despite what the Bible teaches about listening to the ungodly, the question that arises in me is: why are you teaching sunday school, going to church and teaching biblical topics in university?

            You obviously are not on God’s side and both do not understand why God did what he did and listen to those who have no chance of understanding what God did or why.

            You also have no divine source for your information so what good are you to anyone?

          • OK, you had your chance. It is as though you do not even have the ability to remember and comprehend the discussions that led to you being banned previously, much less the things I have said yet again on this occasion.

            It may seem obvious to you that I am not on God’s side. But that is because you have made yourself God, so that your beliefs become “what God says” while anyone who disagrees with you, however rationally, is viewed not as someone from whom you might learn something crucial, but an enemy of the truth.

            But this is only because of your arrogant and ungodly assumption that your ideas and thoughts are identical with divine truth. That is self-deification of a sort that is obviously incompatible with the Christian faith.

            And so, since you yourself recommend not listening to the ungodly, I will cease to listen to you. Of course, the fact that you keep repeating yourself is also a good reason to end this here.

        • I’ve never met you archaeologist. Which makes it clear that your statement says more about you than it does about me.

  • I have been so filled with joy the past few days, seeing the celebrations of friends who can marry in Texas or whose out-of-state marriages are now recognized in Texas. I thought I would bristle and get angry when confronted with the numerous religious screeds against my gay friends streaming across the internet. But oddly, all of the anti-equality venom in the air, just seems to brush off like so much chaff.

    Love wins!

  • Brian Price

    Homosexuality should be treated like a very dangerous, and contagious
    disease, and those that have it, should be quarantined, and or sent to a
    deserted island, far from any mainland,it should be treated like a
    Zombie outbreak.Note to Homosexuals, Bi-sexual s, and heterosexuals.Any
    one, Male or Female who eats or swallows Male Sperm, or Semen is
    committing a cannibalistic act or cannibalism, your eating the seeds of
    an infant human child.According to the Bible if gays are allowed to go
    unchecked, they will start forming rape gangs, or mobs, where they will
    go around, and rape straight men, and woman, and children, we can see
    this happened now in our prison systems, with over 300,000 rapes
    reported each year, no telling what the real numbers are there.Gays say
    that they were born this way, if that is true, then God would have to be
    gay since he made us all, or that there is no God. There is a God, and
    he is not gay! In the Bible God destroyed two entire city’s of gays,
    Sodom and Gomorrah, no telling how many thousands lived
    there,[Genesis19:1-29]. Adolf Hitler had 100000 thousand gays arrested
    in WW2, 50000 were sentenced,and most went to a regular prison, but as
    much as 15000 were sent to const-ration camps, and most did not make it
    out alive, back then Germany was the gay capital of the world.If these
    events did not happen,think how much worst the gay problem would be
    today.

    The Bible says in Leviticus 20:13, “If a man lies with a man as ones
    lies with a woman, both of them have done what detestable. They must be
    put to death;their blood will be on their on heads.The Bible tells us a
    man will leave his father and mother and will be united to his wife,and
    they will become one flesh.[Genesis 2:21-24] God made the man and woman
    sort-of half complete, it not till they came together that they are
    complete with each others strengths and wickedness’s.Two men joined
    together or two woman does not complete oneness,or one flesh.The Bible
    says marriage was instituted by God to bring forth Godly
    offspring,[Malachi 2:15]it says here not just one in flesh, but one in
    spirit as well, two men or two woman can’t bring forth any children,
    much less Godly ones.Also according to the Bible if they come together
    sexually, a man and woman, and they are both virgins, that they are
    married in Gods eyes at that moment.How will Homosexual marriage destroy
    our society? The problem isn’t mainly with homosexual marriage, it is
    with the homosexual UN-healthy life-style,diseases like HIV, whats worse
    is Bi-sexual s, they spread these diseases to heterosexuals, going back
    and forth.Also with homosexuals, if they cant find a gay mate, they
    will try to make one, or recruit one through rape or incest,also gays
    will not be happy till everyone is like them, then the future of the
    human race will depend on artificial insemination.

    • Your views are quite bizarre, and your assertions unsubstantiated. But since you side with Hitler, that saves me having to argue against you, since the arguments against him and his ideology are well-known and more than sufficient.

      • Brian Price

        I am not siding with Adolf Hitler, I am just stating a historical fact, Hitler was only following orders from the Holy Roman Catholic Church, when he rounded up these Homosexuals.

      • Andrew Dowling

        “Your views are quite bizarre”

        If it’s a literal crazy person or someone just having a laugh, either way they have way too much time on their hands to be conjuring this bullsh^&.

      • Brian Price

        Someone please wake me
        from this bad dream, I feel like I am stuck in a episode of the Twilight
        Zone with all this gay marriage stuff.

  • DAnonymous

    Apparently you have not heard of covenant marriage, which is a legally binding covenant.

    Christians oppose the celebration of sin. You can bet the same bakeries that have been sued for refusing to participate in the celebration of homosexuality would also just as quickly refuse to celebrate divorce. Fundimental Christians do not allow divorcies to serve in leadership.

    • I am aware of everything you mentioned, and if conservatives held placards and protested laws and used insulting epithets in reference to divorce and divorcees, I would not be accusing you of hypocrisy.