#BiblicalPersisterhood

#BiblicalPersisterhood February 10, 2017

Via Daniel Kirk on Facebook, who came up with the perfect hashtag to bring Elizabeth Warren and New Testament studies together.

UPDATE: Daniel clarified that the hashtag was actually borrowed from Christopher Hays, and so that is where credit is due. His hashtag and Daniel’s tweet make a perfect combination, don’t you think?

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  • Robert M Ramstad

    Who the Fuck is this guy. Claims to be a professor of religion? How is it possible he could twist OT and NT to fit his predjudices , so he can preach Hate from the Bloody Pulpit? This man has a special place in Gods kingdom reserved for Haters.

    • Iain Lovejoy

      Who got up out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?

      • Robert M Ramstad

        Haters, read the OT and NT and twist it to empower their Hate. Christians in name only

        • It is ironic that someone shows up here spouting hate and vulgarity and then claims that others are “haters.”

          • Robert M Ramstad

            hate and vulgarity? where do find this in my post? PS. where does your misogyny, homophobia and racism come from if not hate?

          • Did you misunderstand something? Or are you trolling? You are the one who showed up swearing at a person who is opposed to the things you mention.

          • Iain Lovejoy

            I think the latter. Don’t feed the trolls.

  • Iain Lovejoy

    I think Timothy may have got a bit of a bad press on this, and it may be being read wrong.
    Verse 12 starts with “de”, “but”, so if verse 12 is what Timothy is not permitting, verse 11 ought to be what he is permitting. The second verb in verse 12, “authentien” apparently doesn’t mean “exercise authority” at all, but to “usurp” or “domineer” and is connected to “teach” with “oude”, which connects to negative sentences meaning something like “still less”. Finally, in verse 25, it can’t be saying women generally will be saved by being good little wives and mothers, because the “she” saved is singular, so must be one woman, Eve herself, whilst those who “continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty” are plural.
    It may be therefore the passage reads:
    “A woman may learn peaceably with all proper obedience, but that does not mean I am permitting a woman to teach or still less take it upon herself to usurp a man, rather she should be peaceable. For Adam was formed first, then Eve afterwards, and Adam was not deceived, but the woman, having been deceived, fell into transgression. (She will, however be saved through having borne children, provided they continue in faith and love and holiness with modesty.)”
    If so, I rather suspect what we have is a forceful woman who is objecting to women’s exclusion from learning with the men and in response is disrupting services or trying to teach or preach herself. I suspect someone has written to Timothy to ask what to do about it and Timothy’s instruction is to let her learn peaceably in the same manner as the men. The emphasis in his recounting of the Adam and Eve story is Adam’s seniority, not gender (otherwise why mention that Adam was first, but not that he was the husband) and he may be saying the new person turns up and thinks she knows it all.
    The last bit appears to me to be saying that Eve will be redeemed by her children, I.e. by succeeding generations coming to redemption, not either that if women are good they won’t die in childbirth or women will be saved by being good little child-factories.