Mediating Faith: A Q&A with Clint Schnekloth

Mediating Faith: A Q&A with Clint Schnekloth March 14, 2014

“I feel like it is time for those of us with a passion for mediating realities like bookishness and gaming to engage what that means for the life of faith. I wanted to write a book that brought together science fiction and faith formation, role-playing and the catechumenate.” — Clint Schnekloth, author, Mediating Faith

Popular Lutheran blogger and pastor Clint Schnekloth has a timely new book out this month called Mediating Faith: Faith Formation in a Trans-Media Era. The book is a theological response to the challenges and opportunities for faith formation in our trans-media world and includes chapters titled “Listening to the Quasi-Luddites’ Legitimate Concerns,” “The Effects of MMORPG’s Procedural Rhetoric,” and “Beauty, Eschatology, Sociality: The Way Forward,” along with a foreword by former UMC Bishop Will Willimon.

As part of the Book Club this month, we invited Clint to answer a few questions about his book. I also had a fascinating conversation with him via Skype, where we talked at depth about MMORPGs (massively multiplayer online role playing games) and what they have to do with God. Watch that interview below as well.

What was your inspiration for writing a book on faith formation in a trans-media era? And what is your personal connection to the subject?

I think I am a geek. In an era where the geek has now taken center stage (witness The Lego Movie and the rise of Lord of the Rings), I feel like it is time for those of us with a passion for mediating realities like bookishness and gaming to engage what that means for the life of faith. So on one level, my personal connection was simply wanting to write a book that brought together science fiction and faith formation, role-playing and the catechumenate.

A quick search on Amazon will show that books on social media usage for congregations are plentiful. How does this book differ from other works on social media and the church? 

There are a lot of great books on the topic you mention, and I recommend them often, including Meredith Gould’s The Social Media Gospel and Keith Anderson and Elizabeth Drescher’s Click 2 Save and Craig Detweiler’s iGods and Pete Ward’s stuff on liquid church, to name just a few. I consider the authors of those books friends and partners in ministry. My book differs in that it isn’t a “how-to” work per se, but instead looks phenomenologically at media effects. You could say it’s the philosophical cousin to more practical books on social media usage in the church. I analyze a lot of examples of ministry in mediated contexts (like MMORPGs, the catechumenate, Facebook, and more), but the focus is on trans-media effects. I am especially intrigued by how media form our brains neurologically, and how to think about the work of the Spirit in relationship new media.

Your description of scripture as a technology may be confusing to some. What really changed in the imagination of readers after the Gutenberg Press?

Well, the point might be that the real change happened when somebody (maybe Paul?) invented the codex. The codex is a durable and advanced technology. You can take a written text and pile leaf upon leaf of it and bind it together. It’s less expensive than a scroll, and more sturdy. So, the imaginations of readers changed already with the advent of the codex. Go back even further, and we had the rise of reading itself, which is a technology. In episode three of Game of Thrones, when Gilly learns that Samwell Tarly knows a lot of history, and even how to cross the wall, because of what he has read, she says, “You’re a magician!” Reading itself is a technology, even though we often forget it because it has been around so long and we are used to it. With the printing press, what we saw was an expansion of who could read, how quickly printed matter could be distributed. It widened and flattened the reading public.

Have you seen the new Spritz Speed Reading App? How do you feel about these kinds of technologies that focus on digesting massive amounts of content instead of deep development?

I haven’t seen this reading app, to be honest. I think I have mixed feelings about these kinds of tools. On the one hand, if you need to get through a lot of material, and the app can help, more power to you. On the other hand, there are aspects of slow reading that bring benefits (and joys) that I believe can’t be had through speed reading. But I could be wrong. I’d love to interview someone who has used the app, and now reads more quickly, and ask them how their brain has changed, and how their reading experience is different. Something I discuss at length in my book is the relationship between faith formation practices and neuroplasticity. We can through habits and practice get our brains to do all sorts of things. Many of these are quite beneficial, and pleasant. Perhaps speed reading is like that. I myself read very fast, but I think I read fast just because I read a lot.

In what ways might online virtual communities like those offered in Second Life replace actual localized communities? Do you think this might enhance the effects of globalization in good ways?

I don’t believe new media replaces. Rather, it layers. That’s what is meant by trans-media, at least in part, that in an era of proliferating media, they layer on top of each other. What I see happening is people all over the place making use of so-called virtual community to enhance and adapt local so-called real communities, and vice versa. So at a family reunion, teenagers can enjoy time with the grandparents, but if there is down-time and they are bored, they can also network via texting with their friends. They have the wonderful opportunity of inhabiting two different kinds of communities simultaneously. Similarly, although I love worship with my local congregation, my congregation does not have regular evening prayer as one of its worship habits. But I can attend Second Life vespers most nights of the week. So the two compliment rather than detract from each other. In terms of globalization, I’m not sure yet what this will mean at that level, but I do know that when I worship in Second Life, I worship with people from all over the globe, and sometimes the practices I engage in in SL find their way back to the type of worship we do in RL.

How might the traditional models of discipleship and spiritual formation — long-term goals of the catechumenate — benefit from online experiences?

They already do. Our catechumenate networks via Facebook. It’s our primary way to be in contact with each other midweek between gatherings. We use it to organize, plan the next worship, coordinate the potluck. I use it to network sponsors with catechumens, and then they use it to strengthen their relationships. I share prayers in our catechumenate group, or links to online resources for bible study. After Easter, our group will feed a meal with our ecumenical Sunday suppers program, and already members of the catechumenate are networking with a wider ecumenical community in service of a social program.

How do even more common forms of media use in congregations — like satellite churches or PowerPoints in sermons or even just church websites — change our spiritual development?

I think it really depends on which media we are talking about. It’s a great phenomenological question. A lot has been written about how Powerpoint affects talks, and learning. You can Google it. I’d love to read more about how people are affected by the preaching they hear if they hear it through a satellite church video venue rather than face-to-face. I imagine there are differences, but you’d have to conduct some kind of qualitative study to examine precisely how they are different. I think at the very least, the average worshipper attending a video venue is going to stop thinking of the preaching pastor as their relational resource. The preaching pastor instead is going to offer insights for the viewers to explore, but then like any other televised medium, will not be available for direct relationship. So worshippers in those contexts will look to the “campus” pastor or worship leaders for direction on how peer-to-peer or community formation is going to happen.

Do you think a virtual sacrament could have the same spiritual value as a localized one?

I don’t know if we can so easily distinguish between virtual and local sacraments. It may be a false distinction.

What are the greatest risks or dangers to an increasing dependence on media-mediated spirituality?

There is not unmediated spirituality. All spirituality is mediated. The greatest danger is to lose sight of this.

What do you most hope readers take away from Mediating Faith?

I hope it turns them into missionaries and explorers. I hope it inspires them to go and experience formation in new places–like Second Life, World of Warcraft, local catechumenal communities. I hope it inspires them to think creatively and critically about the relationship between old and new media, and gives them the tools they need to compare, contrast, adapt, and grow.

To read an excerpt from Mediating Faith, visit the Patheos Book Club here.

Watch our extended Skype conversation with Clint Schnekloth here:



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