Unleash the Hounds! (Link Roundup)

Unleash the Hounds! (Link Roundup) May 11, 2012

There are lots of articles and essays of interest to modern Pagans out there, sometimes more than I can write about in-depth in any given week. So The Wild Hunt must unleash the hounds in order to round them all up.

Torch lighting ceremony in Greece. (Associated Press)

The Olympic flame for the 2012 London games was lit yesterday at the Temple of Hera in Greece, though it did go out briefly during the ceremony. Luckily there was a back-up flame, and the torch started on its week-long journey around Greece. Once in Britain it will make a 70-day circuit in the lead-up to the Olympics. Despite the pageantry, some aren’t impressed, while others made snarky jokes about the flame going out. Still, it’s always nice to see echoes, reminders, that the Olympics are a pagan invention. Created to honor Zeus.

In a historic first yesterday, Galina Krasskova, a Heathen, gave the opening prayer at a conference on women and indigeny being held at the United Nations. The first Heathen to ever do so. You can find the text of her opening ancestor prayer, here. I could be wrong, but I believe this conference was part of the larger 11th Session of the United Nations Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues (UNPFII), which I mentioned earlier. Congratulations to Galina on this achievement!

Andrew Brown at The Guardian interviews an unnamed hip vicar who is allegedly dating a Witch, and opines on how to get the post-Christian generation back in the Anglican pews. Quote: “He said the only way was to go straight for the most improbable part of the story. If you’re teaching the virgin birth, point out at once that there were many virgin birth stories around at the time. Caesar Augustus himself was meant to have been the child of a God. So what was different about a God who chose a poor Jewish girl and not a princess for his bride? What changed if the Christian story were true and not the official one?” So, there you go? I guess?

Congratulations to everyone’s favorite German Catholic mystic, Hildegard of Bingen, now St. Hildegard of Bingen thanks to Pope Benedict and the Catholic Church. Though, a Catholic blogger points out she was already a de facto saint for years. In any case, here’s to the “Sybil of the Rhine.”

The Epoch Times profiles New York City Councilman, and congressional candidate, Dan Halloran. Not a single peep about his religion, in any context. Luckily, The Wild Hunt spends plenty of time on the subject.

PNC Managing Editor, Cara Schulz with Presidential candidate Gov. Gary Johnson

Speaking of politics, former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson recently won the Libertarian Party’s nomination for president. He’s gotten quite a bit of media attention recently, with many wondering if this will be a breakout year for the Libertarians. Pagan Newswire Collective Managing Editor Cara Schulz got to spend the day with Johnson not too long ago, and Schulz followed up with the candidate to see if he regretted courting our community’s vote during a virtual “town hall” session with representatives from Pagan and Hindu media. Quote: “There was no consternation within my campaign about any of the feedback that we got on that event. No consternation.” You can read all of my coverage of Johnson, here.

An Australian paper reports on two horse killing in England, linking them to the occult, Satanism, and the recent “super moon.” Actual solid evidence for this theory? Zero.

Peter Berger, writing for The American Interest, defends Andrew Bowen’s Project Conversion, which I’ve mentioned a few times previously here at The Wild Hunt. What I find most interesting about the article is his refutation of “secularization theory—the notion that modernity necessarily brings about a decline in religion.” Berger notes that it “should be replaced by a theory of plurality—a situation in which many religions co-exist and interact with each other.” Sign me up as a proponent of plurality theory.

TheoFantastique interviews Noel Montague-Etienne Rarignac, author of “The Theology of Dracula: Reading the Book of Stoker as Sacred Text.” The book aims to reread “the horror classic as a Christian text, one that alchemizes Platonism, Gnosticism, Mariology and Christian resurrection in a tale that explores the grotesque.” Sounds very interesting, especially if you’re a fan of Stoker and Dracula.

An interfaith memorial service for Pagan author, elder, and priestess, De-Anna Alba, also known as Wendy White, will be held tomorrow, Saturday, May 12, 2012 in California at the Church of the Incarnation. De-Anna, author of “The Cauldron of Change: Myths, Mysteries and Magick of the Goddess,” was one of Circle Sanctuary‘s first priestesses and was Circle Sanctuary’s first church secretary. She assisted Selena Fox with publications, events, music, networking, and other endeavors. Selena Fox will give her eulogy and will be among the officiants at De-Anna’s interfaith memorial service this Saturday. Selena also will be among the officiants at De-Anna’s Pagan memorial service and cremains interment at Circle Cemetery in Wisconsin on July 21.

In a final note, rest in peace Maurice Sendak. Let the wild rumpus start!

That’s it for now! Feel free to discuss any of these links in the comments, some of these I may expand into longer posts as needed.

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60 responses to “Unleash the Hounds! (Link Roundup)”

  1. “Sign me up as a proponent of plurality theory.”

    Me, too! But to make this a reality, we need to move beyond the present state where there is still one dominant, default religion with everyone else relegated to “minority” religion status. In a truly plural society all religions should be in the “minority”.

  2. Re: Theofantastique: whenever any Pagan reads anything by or about John Morehead, they should know that he is a missionary, and we are his chosen “field”. Personally I would prefer a nice fresh-faced suit-and-tie-wearing Jehovah Witness or Mormon knocking on my door on Saturday morning to this  creepy stealth evangelism of Morehead’s.

  3. Thankfully this wasn’t the only perspective that thoughtful and respectful pagans came away with as a result of my guest-post with Paul Metzger. Many found my views and credibility refreshing. And TheoFantastique stands for itself as one of the leading pieces of academic exploration of religion and culture in the fantastic out there. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to go hang up my creepy stealth missionary suite.

  4.  You know, I really don’t get you heathens that only come out of the woodwork to comment whenever she is mentioned. Having read some of her books and her blog posts I honestly don’t see what the issue is. The people that do show up to talk shit about her all come across as petty and small minded.

  5. Yes, yes, it’s very petty to simply state that there are a lot of Heathens that aren’t happy with being represented by her.  I didn’t go on about the buck-ass crazy crap that she spouts, now did I?  I think that I was quite reasonable in my comment.  Then again, no one is allowed to be a voice of dissent, are they?  Nooooo, cause then that might show  that there are differing views and opinions and we can’t have that!  

  6. “In obedience to the Great Commission, missionaries and missiologists have devised effective evangelistic strategies in order to reach thousands of people groups within the world religions of Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and folk and tribal religionists in their home countries. This is as it should be. Our Lord commanded the church to make disciples of the nations (Mat. 28:19) ….

    “But while the missions community has recognized the people groups of the world religions, it has not always recognized the importance of reaching the millions of unreached peoples involved in new religious movements, new age, and neo-Pagan groups and other religious traditions that have taken root in Western society….. The
    new religions and world religions in the West are no longer fringe
    cultural phenomena, but represent serious cultural and religious
    movements worthy of attention by missionary strategists,  career
    missionaries, and evangelical academics.”

    John W. Morehead, 2003 (source)

  7.  I actually think that it does not  matter. She is a good woman. She is a heathen. Yes she has different views on things. So does everyone else. People will like and not like whom they choose. There are plenty of heathens I do not like representing me either. I do not go to heathen events because I am not safe at them. But that does not mean that they are not good events or good people there. Yet there are people who will say they should kill any one who is heathen who does not agree with them or follows Loki. Galina is a good woman. She is a voice I enjoy hearing for she does not spew hate or death nor does she condone it.

  8. Jason, Did you see this?  http://icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_news/?cat_id=29314&ew_0_a_id=389943

    Hilmar Örn Hilmarsson, high chieftain of Ásatrúarfélagið, the association of pagans in Iceland, handed a check for ISK 2 million (USD 16,000, EUR 12,000) to Minister of the Interior Ögmundur Jónasson and director of the Icelandic Coast Guard Georg Lárusson yesterday, on the occasion of Ásatrúarfélagið’s 40th anniversary.The new Coast Guard cruiser Þór. Photo by Páll Kjartansson.The donation is for the Coast Guard’s helicopter fund. All of the Coast Guard’s vessels and aircraft bear the names of Norse gods and goddesses.Yesterday’s ceremony took place onboard the Coast Guard’s new cruiserÞór, Fréttablaðið reports.Pretty cool.

  9. Great source, AP, thanks.

    If Morehead gets everything he wants in that essay, evangelical semiaries will be teaching evangelical seminarians about the Goddess. Intriguing.

  10.  Could you please clarify why many Heathens take issue with her representing Heathenism in any capacity? What sort of “buck-ass crazy crap” does she spout?

    My intent is not to be facetious. It does seem odd to me though that you would comment about being
    displeased without providing any more information as to why that is the

    I’m interested in Heathenism and am curious about the “differing views and opinions” within it and why she happens to strike such a nerve, so to speak.

  11.  Galina is a friend of Loki and those that follow him. That is enough to get her black listed by those who have yet to throw off the yoke of Christianity that they are still wearing even though they now claim to be Heathen.

    To bring Heathenism into the modern world yes one should know the past. As well as remember the past was written down my Christian monks with no love of any pagan/heathen lore.

    To make it a living way one needs to discover the gods for themselves and learn from them. They need to balence the past with the present and the future.

  12.  Right, but as AP was trying to say…they’re only learning about the Goddess and Goddess worshipers so they can more effectively convert them.

  13. I’ve been corresponding and collaborating with Mr. Morehead for some years and, surprise! He has never tried to convert me! His blog is one of the best ones out there covering not only aspects of religion, but of horror and the occult in media and literature (and these latter issues have a lot of competition in the blogosphere). Regardless of his own beliefs and practices, I respect him as an author and scholar and honestly, I don’t think he’s deserving of this kind of public hostility.

  14. Because, clearly, living in accordance with the ideals that are believed to have been held by ancient heathens and seeing that the actions attributed to Loki are not the sorts of things that would have been seen as acceptable to an entity to be worshiped, and indeed that there is no evidence whatsoever that he ever was worshiped by any ancient heathen is just failing to “throw off the yoke of Christianity.”

    Actually, in a sense your pathetic ad hominem thrown out at the vast majority of mainstream heathens in the US is perfect in the context of this discussion. This is typical of the sort of thing Galina and her ilk do. When heathens disagree with them, they immediately resort to “you just haven’t thrown off Christianity.” This serves to deflect the intellectual bankruptcy of their positions. It also is a part (although only a small one) of why they have pretty well managed to become persona non grata among every mainstream heathen community that has had the displeasure of dealing with them.

  15. You know, just because we do not worship Loki does not mean that we have not yet “throw[n] off the yoke of Christianity.” I see no evidence for the worship of Loki in pre-Christian times. In fact, I think comparative evidence showns that Loki, along with other similar figures connected to Indo-European eschatological myths, was considered evil, and an enemy of the gods. I do not think it is a good idea to worship the enemies of the gods.

    As far as Galina goes, no, I don’t agree with her theology. Nor was I going to mention anything about her one way or the other until you decided to impugn the majority of heathens for not agreeing with her (and, I assume, your) theological views.

    Worship who you want. Don’t wag your finger at the rest of us and chide us for being not Heathen enough for not following along.

  16.  Aside from worship of Loki and other entities who only appear in myth as the enemies of the gods (including for instance the sacrifice of I believe it was a goat to Angrboda a few years back), the thing that most people in mainstream (and, for that matter, not so mainstream) heathenry seem to find most disturbing about Ms. Krasskova’s brand of heathenry is her insistence upon a complex of ideas including something she calls the ordeal path, which seems to involve ideas of being wed to some god or another and also, of being a spouse to a god, which seems similar or identical to being what she calls a “godatheow,” an Anglo-Saxon neologism meaning gods’ slave, which is formed on the model of an Anglo-Saxon word that was used to refer to nuns. For the most part, this is all strange enough, but it is made stranger by the unpleasant personal interactions a number of us have had with people associated with this approach, and to the cult-like appearance of the personal interactions of people involved in this with each other (see, for instance, this account from one of her compatriots: http://fruitofpain.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/making-love-to-odin-for-the-first-time/ Note that Tamyris is Ms. Krasskova). For the most part, I think most thinking heathens don’t care much about any of this except insofar as it gets portrayed as somehow typical of us and insofar as the people involved in it seem to think that if we don’t see how, for instance, devotion to Odhinn means we must spend our time suspended from trees by hooks, getting injected with saline, or whatever, then we are just not real heathens, indeed have failed to “throw off the Christian yoke.”

    You can like her ideas or not, but they have pretty much nothing to do with heathenry as practiced by thousands of people in the US and the world today, and for that matter little to nothing to do with ancient heathenry. At best, they have taken one or two minor elements of the ancient religion of the Germanic peoples and allowed them to hypertrophy unhealthily and to overshadow pretty much everything that is essential about Germanic religion.

  17. Speaking of throwing off the yoke of jebusism, the shindig that Krasskova prayed over was co-sponsored by a Christian theologian from Korea (where some of the most aggressive and sometimes violent Christian missionizing in the world takes place), and one of the featured speakers was a missionary who specializes in converting Native Americans (ie, cultural genocide).

    Also, the fact that Krasskova was the other primary financial patron (along with the Christian theologian) of the event might help explain how she got “invited” to pray for them.

    And the event does not appear to have had any real connection with the United Nations at all. It was a self-designated “parallel” event that took place “during” some UN meeting or another.

  18. Ok, this rang a bell–a quick check of my own bookshelf full of
    religious-right literature reveals a book entitled _Encountering New Religious Movements: A Holistic Evangelical Approach_, co-edited by John W. Morehead II (who I assume is the gentleman with whom we are conversing, and not a son or other family member). A quote from the introduction (NOT written by John himself, mind you): “A foundational principle of the text [of the book] is *incarnation*, a model of ministry imitating Christ…Christ entered into human life so he could communicate with and suffer for humanity. Likewise, to communicate God’s ultimate sovereignty to new religionists [ie people who practice “new” religions like neo-Paganism], ministers must empathetically enter into their lives. New religionists, who experience ministers who understand them and their culture and who share with gentleness and respect, frequently are very receptive to the message of the kingdom of God.”

    From the last chapter, which IS written by John: “By conceptualizing new religions as cultures or people groups, we can then understand the important cultural, social, theological, and apologetic considerations necessary to reach them. We can understand not only their heretical doctrine as it relates to our own, but also other important concerns, such as how their worldview allows them to interpret the world, and the foundational mythology that undergirds the group…[skipping a few pages] New religious movements have gained a cross-cultural sophistication that has outpaced evangelical churches, and the church must develop both an academically rigorous apologetic AND a culturally relevant evangelistic response.”

    So, John, you seem like a nice guy and we really do appreciate it when people are friendly and get their facts straight about us. But given your primary goals here, do you understand why some of us have trouble trusting your intentions?

  19. This is the third time that I’ve heard of alleged threats to Lokeans.  Heard from Lokeans, but never seen or heard of otherwise.  Gonna call shenanigans here.  
    Most everyone that I know who aren’t Lokeans don’t give two bits about the fact that you worship Loki, if that’s your UPG then that’s your UPG.  The only time that anyone that I know cares is if they’re at a function such as blot, symble, etc., and someone hails him or the jotuns who are, traditionally, seen as being forces working against the gods and mankind.  If you want to bring that kind of negative and chaotic force into your life, have at it, but don’t force others to be a part of it.  Forcing your gods and beliefs on others is very reminiscent of another, very popular, religion….don’t ya think.
    Also, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again….we need a version of Godwin’s Law to cover Christianity being thrown out as an accusation in Heathen discussions.  It’s old, it’s tired, and it only serves to make the accuser look as though they have nothing of value to say.

  20.  I oppose her because she appears to not know consent if she tripped and fell over it. Her practices are neither safe, sane, nor fully consensual– but those who have been harmed by them are oft too afraid to come forward. The one who did most publicly was hounded until she recanted, and is now a fully practicing member of Raven and Galina’s cult (for, having been in one myself, I  know not what else to name it).

    If those screenshots still exist (and they must), the story they tell is terrifying, and I’ve heard it corroborated. It’s one thing to make up your own mythology about why those who want to destroy the world (Surt, for instance) are really okay guys who should be worshipped, but it’s another thing entirely to take advantage of troubled people in ritual under the guise of “possession” and assume that they can freely and knowingly consent to BDSM.

  21.  @ApuleiusPlatonicus:disqus That’s pretty important information, thanks for digging that out for us. That she’s willing to partner with the likes of those two in order to raise her visibility as a legitimate Pagan leader says quite a bit about her, none of it good.

  22. I know of open Lokeans who regularly show up at a number of major heathen gatherings. This whole “I am not safe” thing is either unfounded paranoia or a simple lie.

  23. Jason, thank you for noting my participation in the women and indigeny conference on Thursday. It was an amazing experience. 

    Since there’s been some question below as to whether this was a UN event and what type of event it actually was, I shall clarify and this is the one and only time that I shall comment on this here, though folks are, of course, more than welcome to email me on the matter. 

    This conference was one of several being held on UN grounds this week as part of their focus on the Doctrine of Discovery. It was held on UN ground, under their auspices and security, several UN reps were present, but it was sponsored by the counsel on indigeny, the Grey panthers (I think they coordinated everything), and several other orgs. I was contacted and asked to co-sponsor by one of the Grey Panther members who knew of my own work on indigeny. 

    that is all. It will be interesting to see what happens this year with the UN’s focus on indigeny and the effects of the Doctrine of Discovery. I was honored to have been involved in such a small way at the beginning. 

  24.  Not really. Worshiping Loki gets her on the “ignore” or “lol” lists, but not the black list. It’s her practices with Raven Kaldera, particularly those related to their suspicious use of BDSM, that causes many to get truly upset with her.

  25. “Eyes and ears sharp, no matter how warm the smile.”  As I like to say.

  26. You’ve obviously never read comments on Youtube or Google searched for it, then, because I -have- seen published posts about people calling Lokeans/Rokkr-worshippers enemies that should be killed. I would link if I were at my computer.

    The fact of the matter is that these opinions DO exist, they ARE out on the Internet, and they are dangerous enough to take seriously. And say what you want, I have never seen anyone affiliated with Krasskova, Kaldera, or Asphodel calling for the death of other people. Or that there is any right way to approach a relationship with the Gods/whathaveyou and that theirs is the One True Way©.

    Are these opinions universal? No. But like genetic, Folkish, Heathenry they exist. To deny it because you don’t want to believe it/haven’t experienced it does not mean it isn’t true.

  27. Lettuceman: Comments on an Internet forum or youtube video are not indicative of an actual opinion in a real life community. What I refer to is decades of real experience in the real life Asatru and Heathen community, where Loki worshipers are a noticeable if small minority whose worst fear is someone like me telling them I don’t agree with their approach. If you want to focus on the stupidity of Internet drama rather than reality that’s fine, though. It is definitely your loss, not ours.

  28. Northern_Light_27: It is likely that Krasskova didn’t fully understand what she was getting herself mixed up with. There is a certain sub-species of Christian missionary who specializes in “protecting” indigenous peoples. Of course the main people they need protecting against are other Christians. It’s a very standard variation on the old “hard-cop, soft-cop” routine, which is a stock-in-trade of Christian missionaries.

  29. @37f3417d8be96142f5f4b72f323a357e:disqus Youtube is NOTORIOUS for being full of almost nothing but trolls.  Why anyone would read the comments there, much less take them at *any* value baffles me.  
    If threats to Lokeans are happening, I would expect that it would be dealt with in the same way as threats from anyone else.  I’ve honestly seen more anger from, and sometimes towards, Nazitru than I ever have Lokeans or the like.

  30. To be sure, Malaz and AP. But…

    Morehead’s whole point is that missionaries trying to convert Pagans and the like should learn about their religions the way missionaries to the Middle East first learn about Islam.

    So the seminarians and “counter-cult” retrainees would be learning about the Goddess, not as “this is what they call the Whore of Babylon,” but in the terms that Pagans think about Her. The subversive potential is arresting.

  31. Mags, as a non-Heathen I’ve been staying out of this but your comment about reminiscence of another religion draws me to comment: It seems to me Lokeans are being treated the way Christians treat Satanists.

    Rather than extend Godwin’s Law here (and I well understand the temptation) let’s just recognize that when A tells B “you haven’t thrown of the yoke of Christianity” then A has either run out of cogent things to say, or is stating A’s own emotional reaction and not actually saying anything about B.

  32.  Mags and Folcwald,

    I have seen brilliant, absolutely brilliant, discussions on Youtube.  On 4chan.  On Reddit.    I think that writing off the comments (which ARE a litmus test of community opinion, once you get beyond the simple trolling) as being notoriously full of trolls is irresponsible.  How can thousands of comments and opinions be written off as trolling attempts, while people on other forums, like DISQUS forums, retain some kind of validity?  What makes places like this more “true”?  We’ve had our share of trolls here, too.

    Galina’s books, Diana Paxton’s Books, Kaldera’s books, they all have very similar reviews by a very vocal aspect of Heathenry.  Typically its the same few people.  Should I discount them for opinion?  It’s a culture of telling people how to worship when it, frankly, is none of their business.

    Do I think throwing around the idea that Heathenry is still colored by a Christian-tinted lens as a rebuttal to be silly?  Yeah.  It appeals to authority and is, for all intents and purposes, a last ditch effort to pull some kind of superiority out of an argument where there is no more evidence to present.   I personally understand that the Lore was written within the Christian period.  I also understand the desire to transcend the Lore proper.  It’s useful to start (for me), but it isn’t the end-all, be-all of the practice.

    And I’m not saying all Heathens are like this.  I’m not saying that even a fair minority are like this.  But these opinions exist.  They are the same kind of opinions that people of Non-Germanic descent shouldn’t/cannot/do not have the right to worship along side white Northern Europeans.

    To me, there is NO difference in reading comments by self-professed Heathens that followers of Loki or of the Rokkr or Jotuns are “wrong” and “should be cursed” or worse and reading  comments by Evangelical fundamentalists saying the same for Pagans of all stripes. 

    Just because you don’t see it does not mean it is out there.  Because I -have- seen it.  To brazenly white wash this fact is irrational and ignorant and THAT is what I’m harping about.

  33.  Lettuceman:

    The original claim that I was responding to was that Loki worshipers
    were not safe at heathen events. This is patently false and is
    slanderous to the heathen community.

    When your “litmus test of community opinion” fails to match with the reality of personal interaction with the community, your test is clearly flawed. As you admit, the number who are unreasoningly (as opposed to reasoningly) opposed to this sort of thing is a nearly meaningless minority of a minority. If you are going to avoid personal interaction with the community and claim you “are not safe” because of that, then to be consistent you better never leave your house, because life is dangerous and there is no way to know when you might run into a crazy.

    On the other hand, if your expectation is to be accepted and praised in an established religious community when you show up, tell everyone they are wrong, and latch on to a strange form of practice that involves what for most people is an extremely uncomfortable level of not just sexual content but kinky sexual content, combined with an insistence on devoting onesself in whole to other people and gods in a way that appears from the outside, rightly or wrongly, cult like, you will be disappointed. And if anything short of fawning praise is going to be regarded as oppression, then I suppose you re going to feel oppressed or at least unwelcome.  And there is likely nothing I can say or do to change that, since being an oppressed victim seems to be a very deep seated part of the self-image of a lot of people who go for “Rokkrtru,” or whatever grammatically incorrect Old Norse neologism is being used to describe this thing, and in any case I don’t really care to try too hard. I enjoy gatherings that are mostly devoid of drama-addicts.

  34.  Credibility is not a term that I would apply to people who are attempting to infiltrate in order to undermine and destroy, as ordered to by their religion.  Historically, Christianity is not trustworthy, especially when it comes to the issue of religious triumphalism that is inextricable from the religion itself. As a former Christian I know what you are doing, Mr. Morehead, and I know that you cannot be trusted, because you only pretend to understand in order to convert.

  35.  “The subversive potential is arresting.”

    I got it.

    To quote Malcom “We don’ know nuthin ’bout no Muslims boss”

  36.  Mags, if you don’t like what one person in a position of leadership is saying, you can represent yourself, write your own books, have your own conferences, talk with elders of other faiths on your own.

    I don’t agree with every Pagan or Heathen on every subject, and they surely don’t agree with me…  yet I haven’t a problem with someone else taking the initiative to discuss matters of importance with other faiths.

    How is anyone “disallowing” your voice of dissent or differing opinion?  It seems that someone is disagreeing with your disagreeing… how is that stopping YOUR voice?

  37. The book “Encountering New Religious Movements”, referred to by Nicole, is co-authored with Irving Hexham, who is married to Karla Poewe, author of “New Religions and the Nazis”, a book that claims that the decline of Christianity and the ascendancy of Liberalism and Paganism led to Nazism. See Poewe’s website: nazireligions.com. Also see Richard Steigmann-Gall’s dissection of Poewe’s book here: http://egregores.blogspot.com/2010/02/karla-poewes-new-religions-and-nazis.html

    Poewe, Hexham, and Morehead are all birds of a feather. These are not nice liberal live-and-let-live Christians. They are 21st century Church Militants who think that 2 billion Christians is a good start.

  38. Why do you spend so much time acting like a dick on Jason’s blog? Just wondering.

  39. What does Hildegard von Bingen have to do with Paganism? Here’s something “the sybil of the Rhine” wrote about the Cathars. If you wonder what the results of this sort of hate literature were, google “Albigensian Crusade.”

    ” Then, with clamoring voices cast this impure and profane people from your midst, and torment tham with harsh and cruel words. Send them into exile, and put them to flight into the unhappy caverns and caves, for they want to seduce you. And do this immediately, lest you be cursed by God and peace flee from you. For you cannot be called teachers, and priests, kings, leaders, and princes of the people before God while you allow these people to live among you, for your cities and villas will be destroyed, and your estates will be plundered while these wicked people remain among you.”

    If she had this sort of hate for heretics, how do you think she would have felt about Pagans?

  40. Mayhaps her mystical experiences,  empowerment of women, and status as a powerful woman has something to do with it.  

  41.  Lots of Christians have mystical experiences. Are they all Pagans now? Claiming Hildegard as some kind of hero of women’s empowerment is pretty much just wishful thinking, and her stated attitude toward those who stray from the dogma of the One True Church shows that she would have no sympathy for Pagans or anyone like them.

  42. So where are these threats at?  Who made them?  What was done about it?  Were the authorities involved?  
    Links would be nice, otherwise it’s just hearsay.

  43.  @37f3417d8be96142f5f4b72f323a357e:disqus I find it interesting that of everything I said, you’re focusing on that– and misreading what I said, to boot. I said that the one person to speak of it in public, Anya Kless, said, in the post she made before she yanked it down and recanted, that she was being harassed for speaking out against them. I’m sure you know quite well that Freya Aswynn took the screenshots down, so the proof that she said that isn’t available– if I’d had the sense to grab those screenshots when I read them instead of assuming they’d stay up, I would gladly post them and link to them here, because I think those posts are something everyone should read.

    So no, I won’t “drop the crap”. I tend to believe her *first*, unedited, unfiddled-with account of her experience with Cauldron Farm, because like I said, I’ve been in a cult myself and I know exactly how you’ll get harassed if you speak openly, and I know how often people get pressured, recant, and go back to the group. Of the ten or so people I know left the group I was in, most went back to it. I’ll “drop the crap” when CF stop the coercion.

  44. Since when have all Pagans restricted themselves to other Pagans regarding who they like, even in stories?

  45.  FYI, I’m glad for your comment. A lot of people don’t do any research about who they choose to work with and what they’re really like, and that can bite them.  You have done research and I respect that. 🙂

  46.  I’m not reading her mind, I’m reading translations of her own writings. It’s a lot easier.

  47.  Totally busted, as the kids like to say.  Thanks, Apuleius.  And you are right.  I prefer the upfront missionaries.  They don’t have nearly as much of the squick factor.

  48. Nothing?  C’mon…there have to be SOME.  Right?  I mean, it’s so prevalent that there has to be some evidence of it.  Yeah?  Police reports?  Screen shots?  Links?  Law suits?  Notarized witness reports?   An episode of Jerry Springer?  Maury do an extra special episode called  “Loki is the father of my 200lb two year old and I’m getting death threats because I worship my baby daddy”?  Anything?  

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