Rob Schenck had at least three conversions. One, to Christ, two to a highly politicized faith, and three from the Religious Right back to Jesus' teachings. Michael and Rob have a fascinating conversation about his journey and how evangelicals turned their backs on Jesus' love ethic by justifying outlandish gun rights and using Jane Roe (Norma McCorvey) of "Roe v. Wade" as a trophy in the abortion culture war. Rob and the mother of a teenage shooting victim ask, is it possible to be both pro-gun and pro-life? What should be the moral and ethical response to gun violence, especially for those who claim to follow Jesus? When Norma McCorvey supposedly was converted to evangelical Christianity, Rob confesses his complicity in using her as a means to an end and violating her human dignity. What really went on behind the headlines? You don't want to miss this riveting conversation about guns, the 2nd Amendment vs. the 2nd Commandment, the controversial anti-abortion/pro-life organization Operation Rescue (that Rob and Michael used to be a part of), and Rob's message today to his current and former evangelical friends (for some, who now consider him an enemy). Learn more about Rob at revrobschenck.com and watch the two documentaries he's highlighted in at Armor of Light and AKA Jane Roe. See the interview in Videocast version.