“Gays to Be Married in the Denmark Temple?”

 

 

The Copenhagen Denmark Temple of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

 

I have no idea whether there’s any truth or likelihood in this article, but I would appreciate hearing from anybody who has relevant information:

 

http://www.mormonchronicle.com/gays-to-be-married-in-the-denmark-temple/

 

If the situation forecast by the writer materializes, of course, it will pose a real problem to the Church.  But there may be nothing to it.

 

By the way:  The author’s language reflects a somewhat harsher attitude than mine, and he and I have clashed previously, so nobody needs to excoriate me for his perceived sins, thank you very much.

 

 

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  • Debbie

    No way! It would NEVER happen!

  • Lucy Mcgee

    Same sex attraction exists and will exist. A large majority of our youth consider it as part of life. Too many lives and families have been wrecked over this. Too many people have felt the need to hide their preferences for ages.

    Dogmas and doctrines are sticky because they have an often long history steeped in politics or religious belief. Social science is always looking back for “data” to defend decisions. Right now, we are waiting for data and some are nervous or angry or hopeful.

    Seems to me that people should live and let live. If every gay couple were given the same rights as every traditionally married couple, would this be a serious offense to religion? I mean, there have been some fairly strange things done in the name of religion in our history and religion has survived all of that. Let us move on.

    • danpeterson

      Same-sex attraction exists, and will always exist. Yes. And, in any given representative population, we can pretty well estimate, statistically, the incidence of it. Quite true, but irrelevant.

      Cancer and depression and blue eyes and spouse abuse and divorce and brown hair and Downs Syndrome and heart disease and burglary and high IQs and rape and right-handedness and suicide and multiple sclerosis and masculine/feminine and a multitude of other things exist, and will likely always exist, and their incidence is known and relatively stable and predictable. That sheer fact, in and of itself, says nothing about what our attitude toward them should be.

      • Lucy Mcgee

        Same sex attraction may be irrelevant to you, but certainly not irrelevant to those who are among its number. It’s time to get real. Dogmas and doctrines are only viable as long as societies move them forward. You know history. How much dogma has been eliminated because of better understanding? Your own Church has been a part of this societal change. Lighten up.

        • danpeterson

          You plainly don’t understand what it is that I said was “irrelevant.”

          Re-read my comment. If you still can’t understand it after carefully reviewing it and thinking about it, feel free to ask. I’ll be busy much of today, but will perhaps have time later tonight to help.

  • http://www.thestochastickitten.com Nyal

    No worries. The law is now including the State Church and all pastors in them under the current law. This is quite clear in the article cited within the blog post, but it doesn’t seem like anyone bothered to read it. I read through the reports in the Danish media from the time period and confirmed my suspicions. The article’s author is being disingenuous.

    • danpeterson

      Thank you. This is the kind of response I was seeking.

  • http://www.thestochastickitten.com Nyal

    Here is one article: http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/homoseksuelle-vielser

    I will translate the relevant part.

    June 15, 2012 partnerships between same and opposite sex couples are made equal before the law. Both homo and heterosexuals can now, for example, be sealed within the walls of the State (Lutheran) Church. These will have two separate ceremonies, the traditional for opposite sex copules and the new one for same sex couples. The terms bride and groom will be replaced with the term spouse within these ceremonies.

    Den 15. juni 2012 blev partnerskab mellem par af samme og af forskelligt køn ligestillet. Både homo- og heteroseksuelle kunne nu for eksempel vies i folkekirken. Folkekirken har nu to vielsesritualer. Det traditionelle vielsesritual for par af forskelligt køn og et nyt ritual for vielser mellem to kvinder eller to mænd. I selve vielsesritualet bliver ordene “ægtemand” og “ægtehustru” erstattet med “ægtefæller”.

    There is nothing anywhere in this or any other Danish article I could find supporting the blog’s alarmist thesis. Let’s celebrate our freedom of religion for as long as it lasts and not allow people like this to start rumors.

    • danpeterson

      Again, thank you.

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    • danpeterson

      Civility and charity, I’ve noticed, go out the window regarding this issue.

      But, curiously, in my experience, the worst offenders (by far) tend to be those who eagerly label their opponents “haters,” etc.

      “Approaching Justice,” indeed.

      • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/approachingjustice/ Chris Henrichsen

        Funny, Dan. I have called you many things. Never a hater.

        • danpeterson

          I didn’t say that you had. But others have. And many on the pro-SSM side routinely deploy that accusation against those who dissent. It may be true in some cases, but it’s certainly not true in all and the charge shouldn’t be lightly made.

  • http://www.thestochastickitten.com Nyal

    My pleasure, Dan!

  • the narrator

    Dan Quixote, your disgusting billowing of homophobic flames is reprehensible. It’s an utter embarrassment that this hate is allowed to be spewed on the Mormon channel of Patheos.

    • danpeterson

      Loyd Erickson:

      Someday, you may well succeed in your ongoing campaign to silence me. Someday, I’ll even die. In the meantime, you’ll just have to learn to cope with my continued existence.

      Incidentally, are you accusing ME of “hate”? If so, I deny it. If, on the other hand, you’re claiming that hatred has shown up in the comments on Facebook about my little post, I can’t deny that. It’s appeared on both sides, and I don’t like it.

      • the narrator

        There is no ongoing campaign to silent you, just an ongoing disgust with your false representations of reality and utterly ignorant politics.

        And, no. I’m not accusing you of hate, just of being a purveyor of hate.

        • Stephen Smoot

          “And, no. I’m not accusing you of hate, just of being a purveyor of hate.”

          It’s better than being an ass who skulks around on blogs and message boards under a pseudonym.

          • danpeterson

            A very astute and sound observation, Brother Smoot. Well said.

        • danpeterson

          Funny post, Loyd Ericson.

          You’re a real card.

  • Jerry Argetsinger

    Dan ~
    I read through the entire article, as well. The word in question is “en vielse” which is merely the Danish word for “wedding ceremony.” Translating it as “a sealing” is erroneous, because that is a purely Mormon designation for a specifically Mormon wedding. The entire article and its links are specifically regarding the Danish Luthern Church, designated in the article as the “folkekirke” and is nowhere intended to include the weddings that take place within other relgious organizations.

    • danpeterson

      Thanks!

  • Brian Utley

    That headline reads like an early April Fool’s Day joke…

  • http://mormonchronicle.com Ezra Taylor

    California is about to pass a law forcing the Boy Scouts to allow Gays or else face penalties. Will those that called the article “fear mongering” now apologize? http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765626596/Calif-bill-aimed-at-Scouts-gay-ban-passes-hurdle.html

  • http://mormonchronicle.com Ezra Taylor

    http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020743969_floristlawsuitxml.html
    Florist facing a lawsuit for not wanting to sell to a same-sex couple.
    But no, this isn’t about forcing anyone to do anything. That’s fear mongering.

    All sarcasm aside, how much clearer can it be that the agenda is to control people’s actions and force them to violate their religious principles? This isn’t in some foreign country without 1st Amendment protections, this is in the United States.