Christians, Muslims, Jews to share pulpits later this month

Details, from Catholic News Service:

It will happen for just one Sunday in June, but on that day, dozens of houses of worship across the United States will open their pulpits to clergy from the other two Abrahamic faiths to read from their scriptures.

The project, called Faith Shared, is set for June 26. A few synagogues and mosques are among those that have signed up for the initiative, as well as Christian communities across the denominational spectrum, including one Catholic church in North Carolina.

“Just having something public is not going to be a big, big deal here, but to have someone come in and read from the Quran and to recognize publicly the existence of Islam and to reverence and respect is a good thing for the church to do,” said Jesuit Father Pat Earl, pastor of St. Peter Parish in Charlotte, N.C.

The project is co-sponsored by the Interfaith Alliance and Human Rights First. “The United States is the most religiously diverse nation in the world,” said the Rev. C. Welton Gaddy, a Southern Baptist minister who is president of the Interfaith Alliance, during a May 18 conference call with reporters. “Crucial to peaceful relationships across this land, as well as to our democratic form of government. are pluralism and religious freedom.” Rev. Gaddy said, “We’re calling upon congregations to say by means of their actions, ‘We come from different traditions, hold different beliefs and engage in different rituals in our churches, mosques and synagogues. have different beliefs yet emphasize religious freedom and search for answers to life’s questions through our respective faiths.’”

Comments

  1. Rudy says:

    The Muslim religion rejects Christ’s divinity and even though they respect Mary and accept the Virgin Birth, they deny the resurrection and see Jesus (Isa) as a great prophet but not the Son of God and second to Muhammad. They believe we Christians are infidels and “dogs”. The Jews of course completely reject Christ and think of him as a deluded rabbi. They do not see him as Messiah and the most conservative branches of Judaism even forbid even the mere mention of the name of Jesus. We accept all of those things, the Virgin Birth, the divinity of Christ, etc. So what are we hoping to prove? That we can coexist? We do not need to share the pulpit to do that. Reading the Koran in a Catholic Church is a travesty of that so called coexistence.

  2. Rudy says:

    And that of course is my point of view. Now comes the counterpoint, the endless argument and the lack of agreement.

  3. Peter says:

    Rudy,

    Well stated. This is an idiotic venture.

  4. Robb says:

    Stupid is as stupid does, even if it makes those doing this travesty
    feel wise and wonderful. Wonder if their bishop knows and approves.

  5. Young Canadian RC Male says:

    OKay, this to me is BEYOND and MISINTERPRETING what Vatican II says about ecumenism and on other faiths including the Jews and Muslims. And you wonder why traddie/ultra-traditional/SSPX/Sedevacantist opponents bashing the post-concillar church, cause of stupid moves like this.

  6. EssEm says:

    An exercise in making themselves feel good about themselves. Narcissistic moral exhibitionism, par for the course.

  7. momor says:

    At least with Judaism we have a somewhat shared faith tradition/history up to the time of Christ. And there is always the hope that exposing Jews to Christianity will help them to see that Jesus is the Messiah.

    But I see no common ground at all with Islam. Their complete rejection of Judaism is a rejection of God’s revelation as fulfilled in Jesus. I personally don’t accept that they are an Abrahamic religion. And from a Christian perspective Mohamed is a completely false prophet and as long as someone holds to their Islamic faith there can be no point in ecumenism.

  8. Godfrey de Saint-Omer says:

    Christian Churches are being burned in Egypt; Christians are being persecuted in Sudan, Indonesia, Iran, Pakistan and many other Islamic Countries. Why would we invite Muslims into our churches or go to read at a mosque? Why don’t we hear a loud and vocal condemnation from all Muslims against the injustices that our brother Christians are enduring? Why is an end to Christian persecution not shouted from the top of all mosques? Maybe because this is the scripture they believe:

    Quran, 9:29: “Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not Islam as the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”.

    Or maybe this one:

    3:85: “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.”

    Do you think they will read them in church?

    Exsisto in Tutela , Exsisto curiosus
    Deus Vult

  9. Brother Jeff says:

    This is the equivalent of continuing to wear bell bottoms 30 years after they were in style.

    I have yet to hear of a single mosque willing to allow the New Testament to be read out loud. This is a one way “dialogue” with the muslims that is never reciprocated. It is a form of religious indifferentism which is wrong.

  10. naturgesetz says:

    Why does a gesture of good will provoke such vehement opposition? I’m not sure how much good it will do, but if it makes the congregations involved feel a little more comfortable with each other — and I think it will — I for one (and apparently a tiny minority among the readers of this blog) think it’s a good thing. Locking ourselves away is not the way to proclaim the good news to the whole world. Inviting people into our churches and going out to their places of worship can be at least a small step in the right direction.

    Brother Jeff — If you had read this in the post “A few synagogues and mosques are among those that have signed up for the initiative,” perhaps you would not have written “I have yet to hear of a single mosque willing to allow the New Testament to be read out loud.” Furthermore, it is not indifferentism. There is no suggestion that the participants consider the others’ religions as valid as their own.

  11. Sandra says:

    I can see letting another “christian” or an “orthodox,” even a rabbi, but never ever a Muslim.

    According to Muslim teachings, ONCE a place of worship is used for Islamic worship, it is now a Muslim place of worship, until the end of time.

    One reason why Muslims refer to the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption in Cordoba to this day as the Great Mosque of Cordoba. And increasingly, the Cathedral is being called the “Great Mosque” by Western Secular media sources as well, in deference to the Muslims.

    Churches in Belgium are being turned into Mosques under the noses of the clergy and Bishops, and with the Bishops’ approvals!

    No, never!

  12. Steve says:

    Totally agree with what you said, Naturgesetz. For my part, I will never cease to be amazed at how shocked and offended some Christians get when they contemplate (horrors!) that people who practice other faiths are (horrors!) not exactly like us in our beliefs.

    I also find it ironic that some reject Muslim participation in ecumenical efforts because those darn Muslims are supposedly all so intolerant–and this claim is made by people who seem to be working pretty hard to demonstrate their own intolerance and fear.

    We won’t get closer to God’s kingdom assuming that all other faiths are closed off to God’s grace, assuming that those folks have no hope of pleasing God aside from completely rejecting the faith they were born into and raised in and becoming…yes, some would argue for this…just like US.

  13. Rudy says:

    People can practice their religion in freedom. People can have meetings with other people from other religions anywhere they like here in the U.S. If you want to be a Muslim, if you want to become a Jewish convert, if you want to be a Hare Krishna, if you want to be a Wiccan, or what ever ails you, that is fine and dandy and thank God we have that freedom in the U.S.

    But do not confuse freedom of religion and tolerance to practice whatever you believe, with false harmony and feel good ecumenism of this sort. There are real differences in our creeds and opening the Catholic pulpit to such endeavor is disrespectful to the presence of Christ in his altar.

    Let’s use a convention center or a hall, but not the Church itself, because there is no such unity in reality. Our religions are different and if one is the true one, others are not.

  14. Sal says:

    I cannot better what Rudy said above, but I will add this: please stop using the Mass as a canvas for your own political/ social/economic agendas.

    And, from it’s inception, Islam has been considered a Christian heresy. This makes about as much sense as inviting, oh, the Arians to have their day in the pulpit.

  15. Brother Jeff says:

    I’m sorry but Islam is aggressive and intolerant. Go try and build a Catholic church in Saudi Arabia and see what happens. You will be imprisoned and/or murdered. Yet it’s okay for them to erect minarets in Rome of all places.

  16. FrMichael says:

    Another Satanic innovation. Doubt that anyone from the participating parish is reading this, but I would suppose that a pastor lacking so much in prudence and liturgical theology probably has other gross errors in his belief. I suggest transferring parishes post-haste.

  17. FrMichael says:

    Just went to the parish’s website: run by Jesuits. Figures.

  18. Janet Baker says:

    Today, the feast of the Ascension. Christ said, God and baptize all nations. Whomever shall be baptized shall be saved, those who refuse baptism shall be lost. I’m paraphrasing just the tiniest bit from not wanting to get up and get my missal. Lost! Damned! Condemned! No two ways about it! From Christ’s mouth.

    That’s the gospel for today (traditional mass, don’t know about the liberalized mass). That spells the content of our ‘dialogue’ with mankind. We do not act as if their ‘religions’ are valid, we do not co-celebrate with them. Are we nice to them? Of course! Would be save them in a windstorm? Better believe it! Do we give alms? The most of any religion, especially Muslims, who give only to their own family, or Palestine. AND they’re bad tippers. But we give. Because we’re Christians and we give to others. But on the issue of their false beliefs, we must be politely silent at the very most, and never ever act as if we waver on religious matters.

    Oh false-faced liberalism! Oh vile ecumenism! Love Christ! Love Him only, and tell Him so–maybe it will help to make up for Islam’s denial of Him. (Don’t be thinking He’s liberal about that–just go read today’s gospel, please! He got downright irate with those disciples who did not believe that He had risen from the dead after being told so by eyewitnesses. He got in their face–go read it! He makes a very big deal about believing in Him or not!)

    We musn’t attack Islam on their insistence on a religious state, however. On that issue, they are correct–secularism is impossible and downright dumb. Catholic political strategy has to include our own religious state, albeit on an asteroid.

    We are so American to keep up this idea that respect for others means being false with them. BS.

  19. Janet Baker says:

    And Vatican II teaches this very falsity, by the way. It says that all religions participate in the grace of God and the work of salvation. Boy are the liberals in the Vatican backstepping over Islam, however. The fly in the ecumenical soup. Does it make them re-think the Council’s abandonment of tradition, though? Not at all–Islam is just an exception, that’s all.

  20. Brother Jeff says:

    Janet, as with more than a few sentences in the VII documents, clarification has been needed and, in some cases, has now been given.

    In Dominus Iesus, the Holy See affirmed that the one religion possessing the fullness of truth (as God has revealed it to date) is catholic Christianity. If you read Nostra Aetate closely, you can see that the Church was really trying to promote fellowship and kind relations among all men, a laudable goal, but was not making any dogmatic declaration on the objective validity of Islam as a religion. It is a “pastoral” document encouraging love of our fellow man more than anything, e.g., the Church “regards with esteem” the muslims…

    But I would agree there would seem to be a serious doctrinal problem, or ambiguity at least, with the assertion in Nostra Aetate that the muslims worship “the one God.” It is very clear that, at least objectively, Islam does not worship the God Christians, or Jews, worship. The “Allah” of Islam is not a rational god; he is more like an all-powerful Genie, who does whatever his whims dictate. This was alluded to at Regensburg by the pope. And needless to say, their god is not a Trinity.

  21. Young Canadian RC Male says:

    FrMichael. If you are a priest, wow that’s a little harsh to say it’s a “Satanic” innovation, and I’m pretty traditional minded. Though perhaps you are of an order that takes this stuff seriously (e.g. Passionist Fathers, Fraternity of St. Peter) so could you care to explain how this is a Satanic innovation (e.g. documents, saints’ or Doctors of the Church’s writings, sheer logic/common sense theology?)

    Also, your line about the Jesuits, I am lol-ing! (laughing out loud). Word in some parts of the Catholic blogosphere/web is that the Jesuits are pretty liberal so it’s kinda funny. And one of them became quite famous in academia (cough, Lonergan, cough).

  22. FrMichael says:

    Y.C. RC Male:

    I’m a diocesan priest. Perhaps because I’m stuck with California province Jesuits around here, the Jesuit = crazy progressive is a stereotype only occasionally refuted. Don’t have a lot of experience working with Jesuits of other provinces so perhaps you have another experience.

    A cursory look at the GIRM, the General Instruction to the Lectionary, and other liturgical documents will amply demonstrate that the readings at Mass are from Sacred Scripture. They are not from the Koran. The homily is to break open the words of the liturgy, both prayers and Scripture, by a Catholic ordained minister. Opening the pulpit to an imam believing the religion of a false prophet, or to a rabbi who denies the divinity of Christ and His identity as Messiah, is a gross abuse. No rational educated priest would expect to do such a wicked thing publicly and get away with it, ergo my accusation of Satanic influence.

  23. Young Canadian RC Male says:

    FrMichael, 22 hmmm. While it doesn’t sound like anthying doctrinally would support the Satanic influence claim, perhaps according to the cardinal virtue of justice, at a higher level than civic justice but dealing with the divine, you might be correct. Perhaps then, in the priests’ afterlife (unless he repents in Reconciliation) this might be a critical/grave error and could go against him if it violates a divine principle of sorts. It might even be a mortal sin if the priest knows this is a big NO-NO and he willfully does it!

    As for Jesuit experience, the jesuits being liberal seems to be something passed along through the traditional/conservative circles in real life and around the internet, although I did encounter a picture post on a site in Canada where apparently at a Jesuit center in Guelph, Ontario, a Mass was celebrated by a priest outdoors (and it might have not been on a suitable altar). I’m sure there was more to deem it sacreligious but to me as long as GIRM is followed to the T, an outdoor mass can be celebrated. In fact my parish holds an annual Summer outdoor mass on or near the elementary school grounds. I’m sure there are probably good Jesuits out there who buck the stereotyppe, but it seems that there’s a lot of leeway/experiementation that has been done by them, as well as Lonergan being a hero amongst them and Catholic academics, hence the reputation. You don’t hear the same about other orders such as the Dominicans and the Franciscans, or the one that has S.L initials for comparison.

    Also as for Jesuit experience, well lets just say that I know someone who specializes in Loneragan Theology, and when we’ve discussed theology, some of the Lonergan theology irks me. One example was talking about doctrine using Humanae Vitae. HV was heavily rejected by the Church especially bishops conference (Big finger pointing to Canada’s with the Winnipeg statement). Because it was rejected by the “majority” of the bishops and laity, it’s not official church Doctrine and can be discussed/ratified. Yet this was an encyclical, promulgated by a pope, so in that majority rejection statement, to me it’s saying we don’t need to listen to our Holy Father, and that this isn’t official church teaching. But yet our Catechism upholds all that is in HV and yet the CCC is heavily doctrinal/dogmatic as it contains a lot of said doctrine and dogma. And since by the principle of infallability, the Holy Father cannot err with regards to what is said regarding faith and morals, isn’t HV infallable to an extent? On the bright side, Lonergan’s views on how a human gains imformation, wisdom, experience etc. sounds a lot to me like the scientific method/research and I was in a science-research stream in university and am in a biological science profession.

    Personally between this experience and what’s being said about the Jesuits, It is a little discouraging for a more conservative and aware young Catholic like myself (with a tendency to extreme stances that could go both ways with the right nudging so I gotta keep on my toes). For my own sake I will keep my distance and try to learn more about Lonergan to fully understand the theology as an intellectual, although some printed books I have in my possession are not bad on a case-by-case basis (e.g. Mark Link S.J’s “Path through scripture” 1st ed was my Gr. 9 textbook for bible study course and I still have it though 3rd edition is radically different from 1st and 2nd ed., “How to get more out of the Mass” by Joseph T. McGloin makes you think more about the NO mass and its parts).

  24. Bill says:

    Maybe more Catholics need to read Pope Pius XI’s encyclical called “Mortalium Animos,” where he condemns today’s ecumenism (http://www.ewtn.com/library/encyc/p11morta.htm).

  25. Jim says:

    Ever see that Saturday Night Live skit, bad idea jeans? Says it all.

  26. Jason says:

    Rudy is right.

    And I’ve had about enough of the jesuits.

  27. Janie says:

    muslims are not “Abrahamic” they are “Satanic”.

    Thanks alot, John Paul II. See what you started? This is the fruit of whoring out the Bridge of Christ to the unbaptized and unclean. Welcome to the Land of Nordo. (novus ordo-vatican ii the minor pastoral council)

  28. Augustine says:

    More poisoned fruit of Vatican II. Nauseating.

  29. naturgesetz says:

    Well, all I can say is I hope the pseudo-Catholics who reject Vatican II have had the integrity to leave the Church like other schismatics throughout history. True Catholics know that they do not sit in judgment on ecumenical councils.

  30. naturgesetz says:

    I must apologize for my intemperate and unchristian comment at #29.

    Instead of inviting them to leave the Church, I invite all who reject elements of the teachings of Vatican II to consider humbly their relation to the Church’s Magisterium — that it is not for them to correct or judge the work of an ecumenical council — so that they remain in the Church as true followers of the shepherds God appointed over us.

  31. Jason says:

    The teachings of Vatican II are one thing. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to argue that some of the documents need to be clarified and made a little more explicit. But, as you correctly state, that’s for Holy Mother Church to do and for us to wait for prayerfully and patiently.

    For me the problem is the “spirit of Vatican II” which is nothing more than some vague notion that provides license for people to interpret the Council any way they wish. That is the kind of thing protestants do.

  32. Jason says:

    Urge one catholic participant is a jesuit. How….not surprising. Do they even believe in jesus anymore?

    Ps these participants know christians read from the jewish scriptures every week right? So what will they be showing us we don’t already know?

  33. Jason says:

    ugh, sorry for the typo

  34. Real Catholic (Not Micheal Voris variety fake Catholic) says:

    This is Modernism blessed and sanctified by the Second Vatican Council and the satanic spirit that emanates from 1962 to 2011 and beyond. New religion – not real Catholicism – and new spirit – not the Holy Ghost. Rather, it is the religion engineered by Freemasons powered by the Talmud conspired by Jews and birth from the deepest parts of hell itself. Welcome to the Modern Catholic Church. May the Blessed Virgin Mary crushes the head of the new church, new Pope and satan and their Jews helpers. Amen.

  35. lauermar says:

    This is allowing heresy in the Catholic church and it is an insult to our Lord who is in the tabernacle. Blasphemy should not be tolerated inside church walls, period. The Muslims owe Catholics a personal apology for their outright murder of our Christian brothers and sisters overseas.

  36. Sarah says:

    I am not opposed to people of other faiths, but I profess the Catholic faith and expect the holy sacrifice of the Mass to be treated with reverence and respect, not as a place to teach me about the importance of other religions. If the true purpose of this exercise were merely to encourage acceptance of other religions or teach us about other Abrahamic faiths, it could have been done equally as well as series of talks offered in parish halls after Mass. Actually, that would work far better because it would allow for questions and discussions while giving people of differing faiths a chance to genuinely get to know each other. So, what is the real agenda here?

  37. Adrienne says:

    John 14:27
    Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, do I give unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be afraid.

    John 16:33
    These things I have spoken to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you shall have distress: but have confidence, I have overcome the world.

    Matthew 12:30
    He that is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth.

    1 Corinthians 5:8
    Therefore let us feast, not with the old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

  38. Ioannes says:
  39. Paul says:

    What a mess the Catholic Bishops create and allow! In the name of ecuminism they are killing the faith. Who cares what a heretic baptist minister has to say about the program!

    Michael Voris sums up this travesty well at:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV?feature=mhee#p/u/0/ql7zkdviiOY

    Bishops, please come back to the faith of Jesus that was given to us by the Apostles. Realize the jewel you are guiding, the only faith given to the world by God! All the others are religions made up by men or heretics.

    Teach Orthodox Catholic Christianity!

    Paul

  40. Torkay says:

    This priest is a Jesuit: what else can we expect from these apostates and heretics? And…more fruits of “Bl.” JPII kissing the Koran, no? May God help His Church.

  41. brother jeff says:

    I remember von balthasar saying in his book Catholica (not sure of title it was translated) that catholicism is not a ‘denomination’: it is instead the rejection of denominationalism because it is universal. Worth pondering

  42. elleblue says:

    There is a huge difference in being respectful in regard to other religious beliefs and watering down your own to the point they become unrecognizable.

    We need to learn to agree to disagree in a healthy and respecful manner. Frankly I’m tired of apologizing for my Catholic beliefs. In fact I’ve heard a large number of charismatic Catholics insist they are Christians, as if they are embarassed about being Catholic.

  43. Bruno Gilson says:

    Dear Catholic’s:

    If and when this occurs in a Catholic church, I, we would and should stand up and walk out. Also if you haven’t already, it is just, if we do not give monies to the church because of its flagrant abuse and false teachings of Our Lord Jesus Christ and Saviors TRUTH’S.

  44. Mary Solaas says:

    Isn’t it canon law that only the bishop, priest, deacon can give a homily? When is this travisty supposed to take place? At a “worship service” at the parish??? What kind of worship service????

  45. Charles Martel says:

    And this is why I am a traditional Catholic. I cannot go along with the rot that has eaten deep into the post-Vatican II Church. Catholics should stop tolerating this insanity and stop donating money to any churches or even dioceses which do not hold and teach the Catholic Faith IN ITS ENTIRETY.

  46. Teresa Buonafede says:

    Wouldn’t the preaching for that weekend be about the True Presence, the Eucharist – since it is Corpus Christi Sunday???

  47. CatholicMonarchist says:

    “A Catholic sins against Faith by taking part in non-Catholic worship, because he thus professes belief in a religion he knows to be false.”
    -Bishop Louis LaRavoire Morrow, S.T.D [See Canons 1258, 1063, 2319, 1325 of the 1917 code of Canon Law--and this Code of Canon Law was the current code up until 1983]

  48. CatholicMonarchist says:

    “For all the gods of the Gentiles are devils: but the Lord made the heavens.” -Psalms 95:5

    *Note: The Gentiles are those outside of a valid covenant

    Pope Pius XI (1922–1939), Encyclical Mortalium Animos: “The Catholic Church alone is keeping the true worship…”

    Pope Gregory XVI (1831–1846), Encyclical Summo Jugiter Studio “The holy universal Church teaches that it is not possible to worship God truly except in her [the Church]…”

    “11 Q. Who are they who are outside the true Church?
    A. Outside the true Church are: Infidels, Jews, heretics, apostates, schismatics, and the excommunicated.

    12 Q. Who are infidels?
    A. Infidels are those who have not been baptised and do not believe in Jesus Christ, because they either believe in and worship false gods as idolaters do, or though admitting one true God, they do not believe in the Messiah, neither as already come in the Person of Jesus Christ, nor as to come; for instance, Mohammedans and the like.” -Catechism of Pope St. Pius X

    “Redemptionis Sacramentum,” No. 161, says: “As was already noted above, the homily on account of its importance and its nature is reserved to the Priest or Deacon during Mass. As regards other forms of preaching, if necessity demands it in particular circumstances, or if usefulness suggests it in special cases, lay members of Christ’s faithful may be allowed to preach in a church or in an oratory outside Mass in accordance with the norm of law. This may be done only on account of a scarcity of sacred ministers in certain places, in order to meet the need, and it may not be transformed from an exceptional measure into an ordinary practice, nor may it be understood as an authentic form of the advancement of the laity. All must remember besides that the faculty for giving such permission belongs to the local Ordinary, and this as regards individual instances; this permission is not the competence of anyone else, even if they are Priests or Deacons.”

  49. Jay says:

    Well, Jesuits did it again, St Ignatius is turning in his grave, we can only ask his intercession that the greatness of this Order may return some day. In the past Jesuits converted half of the world and so many of their missionaries were martyred for the Catholic faith – and look what they are doing now…

  50. Jay says:

    Brother Jeff, universal means for saints and sinner.

  51. LeonG says:

    Anyone with any Roman Catholic intelligence and reason can see that the post-conciliar church led by its liberal modernist popes have led the church into schism with itself – they preach and teach almost all that contradicts what the pre-conciliar papacies taught consistently for nearly two millenia. Yes, dear new catholics your hierarchy is teaching you heresies and disobedience to the magesterium of the church. Read Pope St Pius X “Pescendi” and “Lamentabilae Sanae” and you will see for yourselves. Read Dom Luigi Villa’s works on POpe Paul VI and John Paul II and you will understnad how you have been cheated and lied to by men who have renegred on their proper spiritual duties. Furthermore, this papacy is the worst because it has beatifed a man who has helped exponentially to lead the church into what Fr Paul Marx OSB (RIP) called “total chaos” and what Dom Villa describes as a masonic church in effect.
    Abomination after abomination has and is being committed in churches in the name of the Pauline Novus Ordo liturgy and those liturgical practices encouraged by JP II (RIP) in the name of liturgical inculturation. The net effect is liturgical chaos and pastoral anarchy aided and abetted by those entrusted with the propagation of the true Faith.
    Wake up dear Catholics before you sell your inheritance for a mess of potage.

  52. John L. says:

    Please listen to “Shariah Law Exposed” by Jesse Romero, M.A., available from http://www.saintjoe.com. Then, if you still think this is a good idea, I doubt anything further I might say would help.
    Why haven’t Muslim clerics been seen on TV denouncing voilent acts by the Jihadists?
    Why does the Quran say to kill Christians and Jews?
    Why does the Quran allow multiple wives, wives for an hour, and marriage to girls as young as 9 years old?
    Why does the Quran allow Muslims to lie to Christians & Jews?
    Listen to Jesse’s CD program to learn why even your very best Muslim neighbor is at least complicit with all we see in the news.

  53. MacHou says:

    If my pastor is ever as big a sucker like the Jesuit Earl (someone get that poor guy a Quran), there will be a demonstration on the steps of the church with a handout of some of the really “tolerant” verses in the Quran Islamic followers never seem to utter in public speeches or publications.

    Maybe its time for another “suppression” of the Jesuit order… at least their universities should be thoroughly disinfected of heresy and heretics.

    Mac

  54. Jake says:

    The spirit of Vatican II is alive and well and still engaged in the hopeless task of playing Free To Be You And Me/Im OK You’re OK. Hippies never die; they just fade away doing the same stupid stuff and mouthing the same cliches, preventing necessary real work.

  55. Erika says:

    Good news!!!! Bishop Jugis has cancelled this “ecumenical” activity at St. Peter’s in Charlotte!

    Here’s the e-mail from the Bishop’s assistant to my friend who wrote to him: “His Excellency, Bishop Jugis, wishes to inform you that the FaithShared event at St. Peter Catholic Church has been cancelled.”
    - The Most Reverend Peter J. Jugis, Bishop of Charlotte

    THANK YOU Bishop Jugis for being a Good Shepherd!!! Praise be to God!

  56. pagansister says:

    So from some of the comments it seems that just trying to learn more of another’s faith/religion isn’t a good thing. No wonder there were wars in the past because of a disagreement between beliefs. Those folks refused to learn and understand each other—because each thought THEY had THE proper faith and the other one was most certainly just plain wrong. So this attempt at more understanding shouldn’t happen? WHY? I think talking is better than hating—–understanding leads to more acceptance, IMO. There is no ONE and only faith in this world. All are legitimate, and should be recognized. As to those that think the Muslims just want to kill the non-Muslims? There are extremists in all religions and those folks do not, IMO, represent the truth of a faith.

  57. Chris Saidou says:

    What a disaster, a disaster for the faithful who will be conned with a politically correct version of Islam, for the Jesuits and the bishops who haven’t the strength or wisdom to stop this injustice and the wider Church who will be scandalised by such confusion, bordering on blasphemy.

    So how many Catholic Priests will be presenting true scripture in Mosques? Take a wild guess ..

  58. pagansister says:

    Reading the above comments, I now understand why there were so many wars involving religion. Unbelievable.

  59. Kerberos says:

    There is no insanity and blasphemy & folly of which the post-conciliar Church is not capable. The more things like this happen, or are even suggested, the more obvious it becomes that the V2 Church is C-I-N-O, Catholic In Name Only, & is populated by CINO priests, CINO bishops, CINO cardinals, & CINO Popes. Such horrors as are usual today would make a Saint despair.

    Thank God for a “great priest” and faithful shepherd of the flock of Christ like Archbishop Lefebvre, that’s all I can say.

    “Good news!!!! Bishop Jugis has cancelled this “ecumenical” activity at St. Peter’s in Charlotte!”

    That is good, certainly – but such an abomination should never have been suggested to begin with. If it can be suggested, it may end by being done on a later occasion.

  60. The “interfaith dialogue” of St. Francis of Assisi (The Little Flowers of St. Francis of Assisi, chapter XXIV):
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    “The Sultan said to him: “Brother Francis, most willingly would I be converted to the faith of Christ; but I fear to do so now, for if the people knew it, they would kill both me and thee and all thy companions. As thou mayest still do much good, and I have certain affairs of great importance to conclude, I will not at present be the cause of thy death and of mine. But teach me how I can be saved, and I am ready to do as thou shalt order.” On this St Francis made answer: “My lord, I will take leave of thee for the present; but after I have returned to my own country, when I shall be dead and gone to heaven, by the grace of God, I will send thee two of my friars, who will administer to thee the holy baptism of Christ, and thou shalt be saved, as the Lord Jesus has revealed to me; and thou in the meantime shalt free thyself from every hindrance, so that, when the grace of God arrives, thou mayest be found well disposed to faith and devotion.” The Sultan promised so to do; and did as he had promised.”
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    So, the “interfaith dialogue” of this Saint actually was a mission of conversion to the catholic faith, and not what this “jesuit” said (CNA): “read from the Quran and to recognize publicly the existence of Islam and to reverence and respect is a good thing for the church to do”, this is just an example of shameful apostasy.

  61. Canisius says:

    To Pagan Sister, wrong as liberal always are, we here believe the fullness of Truth is in the Catholic Church. No I dont want understanding with Muslims who continue to this every day persecute and kill my Christian brethren in the name of their allah… Why do you insist that we should have dialogue with people that reject Christ… why should we accept that as a legitimate premise when it violates everything we know is the Truth.. I await your weak liberal response

  62. Deacon Greg Kandra says:

    Canisius…

    You might want to take up that discussion with Cardinal Angelo Scola, just appointed by Pope Benedict to be the Archbishop of Milan and now considered by Vatican observers to be the pontiff’s pick for his successor.

    Cardinal Scola is a prominent scholar on Islam, and is active in Christian-Muslim dialogue, as this article illustrates.

    Dcn. G.

  63. Kathleen Roberts says:

    Not according to St. Augustine.

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