The Bible is NOT the WORD OF GOD: a polemic against Christendom


The bible is not the WORD OF GOD. And if we believe it as such, then we have made the bible into an idol. The bible has become the Church’s idol. It is the Golden Calf of our day. The ancient Hebrews had taken the God of their forefathers and formed him into their image. They made him take on their identity because they could not grasp to what extent the WORD OF GOD was present with them. Yes, indeed it has been said for thousands of years that the ancient Hebrews were fools for doing so, but my dear friend so are we.

Just as the Hebrews, we have made the WORD OF GOD into our image – the bible. And by doing so have not elevated God, but relegated him to the lowliest place. Our misappropriation of authority has inevitably resulted in our inability to distinguish between what we THINK God requires of us, and what God ACTUALLY requires of us. This misappropriation has resulted in our use of superfluous language.

The bible is not the WORD OF GOD. However, our elevation of the bible to almost divine status has seemingly resulted in the Church believing it is to be the moral authority over the world – as though they speak for God. We have equated the language of the bible with the Words of God. This has seemingly resulted in the bible being used as a weapon of power to oppress others. Incredibly, the Church’s oppression has not been limited to the secular world, but has even been used as a weapon to oppress its own people.

But, Jesus never oppressed anyone.

When we assert that the bible is the WORD OF GOD we are diminishing what it means to possess the WORD OF GOD. The bible is a book. Just like any other book it contains words, propositions, stories, ideologies, and philosophies. But it contains something that is far greater than any other book that has ever been written. It contains testimonies. But not just any testimony. It contains testimonies about God – not just about any God, but the living God. It contains a testimonies about who God is, and who man is; and who man is in light of his discovery of God.

God has revealed himself in history. Scripture testifies to that revelation. Scripture is not revelation in and of itself. Rather, it is a testimony to the revelation that has occurred. The bible is what we learn from; it is what we abide by; and it is what strengthens our faith.

The Bible is not the WORD OF GOD. It has no special powers and it is not magic. Sacred scripture means nothing if it is not alive inside the individual. Embodied, fully embraced. This does not mean that we take apart or dissect the bible in such a way that we are able to extrapolate metaphysical truths about the world around us. That is not the intent of the bible. Rather, the intent of the bible is to provide context for who we are as human beings, who god is as God; and how God has acted throughout history. It is a testimony to our lord Jesus Christ.

The WORD OF GOD is a moment that a human being encounters. It is Jesus Christ in his full glory and revelation. The WORD OF GOD occurs through a compilation of acts that bring forth the WORD OF GOD within the individual – prayer, sacred scripture, fellowship, worship.

Encountering the WORD OF GOD changes us – it makes us whole. It gives us strength and power. Words on a page do not give us strength; they do not give us power. It is only when we embody those words on the page that we truly become like the WORD OF GOD. It is what Jesus did. He did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. That means he embodied the law. He was sinless, he was perfect. He embodied the law in the truest, purest form of what is meant by “the law”. Likewise, we must embody scripture. It must become a part of us, our lives, and our identity; for the truth of God was not found in words or propositions or abstract ideas, but in the truthfulness that exists when we live out the WORD OF GOD on the world stage.

The bible is not the WORD OF GOD. The WORD OF GOD is Jesus Christ.

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  • http://www.Day8Strategies.com Dave Daubert

    While I appreciate the content and the sentiment with which this is written – understanding the Bible is way out of balance in much of conservative evangelical culture – this article offers what Martin Luther said almost 500 years ago. For Luther, the Bible was “the manger in which the Christ was laid.” In other words, the point of scripture was to point to Jesus (the true Word). If you read the Bible and get smarter about chapters and verses but hadn’t met Christ then the Bible had not done the one thing that it was to do. Once the Bible had introduced you to Christ (the “living Word” for Luther), then scripture had done the one thing that mattered most.

    • Michael Schutz

      I implore you to please research Luther more on this. What you say about the manger image is true – that’s what Luther said. But you’re implying that Luther did not believe the Bible was the Word of God. That could not be farther from the truth. It was the external Word (the Bible) that for Luther was the greatest authority because it is God-breathed and it is God’s revelation to us. It tells us what we needed to know about salvation – namely, it points to Jesus’ person and work. But it’s a false dichotomy to say that because Jesus is the logos of God, the Bible is not His own Word of self-revelation.

      Luther absolutely did not conflate Jesus and Scripture, but he certainly did regard Scripture as the Word of God. Please don’t misrepresent Luther (and by extension, Lutherans) on this. Read almost anything of his and you will see how he regarded the Scriptures: as the Word of God. Not conflated with Jesus, but divinely inspired, humanly-authored words that are His very own revelation to us. No Lutheran can affirm the argument put forth in this article. The teaching in this article is not in line with Luther’s view of Scripture, not at all.

      (Full disclosure: I am a Lutheran. I don’t believe Luther was infallible or some kind of super-saint. I do believe he was faithful to Scripture in his exegesis, and was correct on this issue: the Bible is the divinely inspired Word of God which reveals to us the living and active logos of God, Jesus.)

      • AlphaOmega

        +1

        -A Cathlolic

      • ngotts

        You could try reading On the Jews and their Lies, in which Luther recommended:

        1) for Jewish synagogues and schools to be burned to the ground, and the remnants buried out of sight;

        2) for houses owned by Jews to be likewise razed, and the owners made to live in agricultural outbuildings;

        3) for their religious writings to be taken away;

        4) for rabbis to be forbidden to preach, and to be executed if they do;

        5) for safe conduct on the roads to be abolished for Jews;

        6) for usury to be prohibited, and for all silver and gold to be removed and “put aside for safekeeping”;

        7) for the Jewish population to be put to work as agricultural slave laborers.

        • mroge

          Yes, unfortunately the protestant movement was not as “clean and pure” as is depicted in history. They often ended up commiting the same atrocites as the Catholics. I am not sure about the Lutherans, but I know that many protestants attacked Catholics and burned down their monastaries.
          Sounds like Luther had a lot in common with Hitler…

  • http://www.ericsenglish.com Eric English

    Dave,
    Thank you very much for your comment. Unfortunately, it seems to me that the spirit of Luther has become quite distorted by modern theology. With that said, Luther heads the right direction, but does not complete the task of the full embodiment of the Christian experience as bringing forth the WOG (perhaps I have missed something). I have yet to see a thorough treatment of the WOG.

    • Michael Schutz

      Eric, I have to agree that in many senses, the spirit of Luther has become distorted in our times. But this is not one of them. The reason Luther doesn’t complete the task, as you say, is that he would not have seen it as a legitimate task to complete. The Word, in Luther-speak, is something external to us. Read his writings about “enthusiasm” and you’ll see the arguments set forth. What you’re writing about in this article is that same “enthusiasm” which relies on the individual’s experience of God without an external word. If I may be so bold, the direction Luther was heading was the complete opposite of what you’re writing about here, not in the same direction at all.

      As a response to the article itself, I have to say that the logic you use to get from the Bible being used as a weapon to not being the Word of God seems a big stretch: The Bible can be used (wrongly) as a weapon to oppress people. True. Jesus never oppressed anyone. True(…ish – one might say he oppressed the self-righteous religious leaders!). Jesus is God. True. Therefore the Bible is not God’s revelation? I can’t buy that line of thinking. Misuse of the thing doesn’t invalidate the thing itself.

      Yes, God has revealed Himself in history. Yes, Scripture is the testimony of God’s redemptive action in history. But it is *His own* revelation as He inspired authors to write it! If it’s not His own revelation (ie. His own words) then it isn’t trustworthy – it’s just human impressions of a transcendent God, and it’s up to us to become the embodiment of the Word, as you say. If that’s true, then you’re right – there’s no point in elevating it above other books.

      But there are far more implications to that. If it’s true, then the testimony itself is flawed since it sees itself as God’s own inspired word (2 Tim. 3:16-17)! It it’s true, then, as you suggest in your closing paragraphs of the original article, even our Christology has to change because we can do what He did in fulfilling the law. And if *that* is true, then the Jesus to which this testimony points is not who the testimony actually claims him to be. If that’s true, then Jesus is not the spotless Lamb of God who died for the sin of the world, and Christianity is replaced by something else entirely.

      Please hear me – I get that you’re trying to make the distinction between Word of God as Jesus, the logos, the 2nd person of the Trinity, and Word of God as written words on pages that testify to Jesus. That’s a valid distinction. But my contention is that you’ve gone too far and thrown the baby out with the bathwater, and in so doing, are denying a foundational teaching of the Christian faith: that Scripture is the Word of God, the self-revelation of His redemptive work throughout history and most especially in the person and work of Jesus.

      • AlphaOmega

        Michael , you’re incredibly articulate and cogent, but I think you’ve sort of made the same mistake you assert the author made. That is, you state your position as though it is incorrigible. It’s not. You’re human. If the universe represents the size of the truth, then you have comprehended the equivalent of a sub atomic particle of it. In other words, it can’t be as systematic as you stated it, because you don’t even know a fraction of it. Your calculus is thus corrupt…. as is every human beings.. By design.

        The point the author was making here, I think, is that the Word is Jesus, not the LETTER in the book called the Bible. And I believe most theologians (including Martin Luther, God rest His brave heart) would support that single point. After all, God is infinite, yes? Your thesis would have us believe the TOTALITY of God’s word is contained in the Bible. How can that be, when the Bible is finite, and The Lord is infinite?

        Great article . I agree with it

        • Michael Schutz

          AlphaOmega, thanks for your response and your pushback. I appreciate the chance to have some dialogue.

          I don’t think I argued that the Bible is the totality of God’s Word. If I did, I didn’t mean to. I agree that I understand barely anything in comparison to God’s grand design (and even in comparison to people far more learned than me…). But all I was trying to point out is that what is in Scripture is what God wants us to know about Himself. He hasn’t revealed everything, but what He has revealed, *He* has revealed. John 20:30-31 is really what I meant – Jesus did much more than is recorded in Scripture., but Scripture’s agenda is to reveal salvation to us through pointing to Jesus. God has done far more in history than is recorded in Scripture. I didn’t mean to imply otherwise.

          What I am saying is that whatever is in Scripture is there because God breathed it out; it’s valid to call the Bible the Word of God. It’s not the all-encompassing totality of God – it doesn’t claim to be, and neither to I claim it is – but it does reveal what we need to know about Jesus, and it is God’s own Word to us sinners given so that we would receive salvation.

          I said Luther would agree that Jesus is the logos of God, and that Scripture points to Him. But again, it’s a false dichotomy to suggest that if Jesus is the Word of God, the Bible can’t be. Luther would agree with your statement, if you define “Word” exclusively as the eternal logos of God. But he wouldn’t agree that you can’t call the Bible the Word of God. He calls it that over and over and over again.

          I’m not quite sure if I can say it more clearly, because I feel like I might not be getting my thoughts across well, but I’ll give it a shot: Jesus is the Word – the eternal logos, 2nd person of the Trinity – of God. Scripture is the Word – the humanly-authored self-revelation – of God. Scripture points to Jesus. Yes, Jesus is the Word. But that doesn’t mean it’s invalid to call Scripture the Word.

          We can absolutely agree that Jesus is the living Word of God who died and was raised for us. For that I’m very thankful!

  • http://mitchcowart.com Mitch Cowart

    Thank you for your post. May I suggest some likewise true, and similarly provocative statements?
    Jesus is not a Christian.
    Jesus is not a religious figure.
    His coming to earth was NOT as the founder of the Christian religion.

  • http://www.anzaholyman.com Anzaholyman

    I agree completely with the worship of the bible it has been made infallible and beyond question, people quote it as if the (Bible) is a word for word translation from G0d.

  • Michael

    I cannot believe that you obvious heathens would denigrate God’s Holy Word like this! The HOLY BIBLE is the WORD of G_d! It is His Holy Word, and gives us the precepts of living a holy life pleasing to Him! 2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
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    16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
    That means that G_d breathed the damn stuff! He literally breathed His word! I am sorry for saying a cuss word, but you G_dless atheists are awful and need to know you are headed for a literal hell…. 😉

    • http://www.xlookingforwardx.com Joshua Chaillou

      …and some Christians just can’t figure out why most people don’t want anything to do with Christianity. I hear the words “Heathen” and “Pagan” from Christians (though not typically directed at me), and they are clearly meant as divisive terms. There’s so much of that “us against them” mentality in the church, and that mentality will continue to prevent the modern church from showing the love of Christ to the world.

      This is coming from a follower of Christ. One who is having trouble using the term “Christian” anymore, because when the world hears “Christian”, they are reminded more of people like Michael than they are of Jesus.

      I don’t know who gets credit for this, but it’s one of my favorite quotes:

      “Dear God, please save us from your followers!”

      • Ethan Smith

        This makes no sense. Christ died for his church. Christ’s followers are his church, his body. So would we also pray, “Dear God, please save us from your body?”

      • AlphaOmega

        I SO agree with you. Christian does not mean what it used to mean. It’s now a label to describe a group of people who completely disagree on virtually every Biblical tenet.

      • Dee

        Couldn’t agree with you more.

        I hope this speaks to those name callers:
        Jude: 8. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. 9. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke you. 10. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

    • AlphaOmega

      Read Romans 14, friend. NOW.

  • Erin

    “In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.”

    “Truly I say to you no jot or tittle will pass away…..”

    Two statements, one describes Jesus, the other is a part of a statement where Jesus says that the Old Testament is fully worthy of believing.

    • AlphaOmega

      Yes, but , God is ETERNAL, so there can be o BEGINNING, right ?

  • Craig Nehring

    Interesting, an article that contains “words” is telling us that the Bible is not the “word of God,” even though it tells us that it is (2 Timothy 3:16-17). However, we are supposed to believe in Eric English’s “words” but not the “words” of Scripture attesting to its own authority.

    For some reason, I am reminded of Matthew 4 and the account of Jesus’ temptation

  • Andrew

    “the bible is not the word of god. Jesus is”
    Where pray-tell did you get the idea that Jesus is the “Word”?

    How foolish.

    • Alex

      Awesome! I love this response! Haha! John 1:1 Foolish indeed.

      • Colleen Kristich

        The author never states to throw out what the Bible says, but rather that we must “embody scripture.” When the words in the Bible become alive by the Holy Spirit, then the Word of God speaks to people’s hearts. The point the author is trying to make is that the Bible itself is not God Himself, Jesus (the logos of God) or the Holy Spirit. So we should not worship it as such.

    • Courage Platypus

      From the Bible, genius. The same Bible that says those who call others fools are in danger of hellfire.

  • Paula

    This article is ridiculous! Who-ever wrote it is an idiot. But then again is see EMERGENT which explains you are not. I empathize with your thoughts on people who call themselves CHRISTIAN but you are claiming to be a Christian but are not respecting TRUTH. The Bible is as RELEVANT today as it was 200 years ago. Stop analyzing the greatest Book ever written and embrace it.

    • Colleen Kristich

      The Bible itself even says to analyze what we are taught. “Test your teachers.”

  • Zach Oedewaldt

    Heresy. Complete Heresy…

    • Dee

      You are the kind who think you know yet you know not. I’m sure you are the kind who will shove”your truth” down everyones throat and take part in the inquisition. Take heed if you think you stand….

  • Rodney

    What is this drivel?

    When Christ rose from the dead, He unveiled scripture to them to get them to understand what they had just experienced. Paul wrote in his second letter to Timothy that, “All scripture is inspired by God, good for teaching, reproof, correction, and training in righteousness.” Paul wrote to the Romans that, “Whatever was written before was written for our learning that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” This belief that the bible is not the word of God is CLEARLY a heresy and doctrine of the devil.

    • AlphaOmega

      The word of God, or inspired by God??? Make up your mind my good Pharisee

    • 2 Timothy 4:2

      Well said Rodney. There is so much Doctrine of demons especially today. And the really sad thing is, a lot of it is being widely accepted in mainstream Christianity. 30 years ago this sort of thing would have been refuted by the majority of Christians. It is post modern liberalism. We need as the people of God to come back to the Word of God, ( Which is the Bible ) and we need to love the truth, otherwise we will fall for this doctrine. We need to have a high value of the Bible. 2 Timothy 3 and 4 says this.

      • Dee

        “Doctrine of demons…?” that is quite harsh for an article that is not denouncing Christ but just being thought provoking. So tell me, where was the WoG in the time of the disciple (after Christ’s death) or the time of Paul, since the bible was compiled centuries after? Sometimes I wonder what Paul will think if he saw what we’ve turned his LETTERS into. Oh, and what role is the Holy Spirit in all this?

    • Courage Platypus

      Sounds like you follow a good bit of devil-doctrine yourself. Tell me, how is it that Paul can supposedly have said that books are scripture that don’t even exist yet? Cuz you know, when that was written, there was no such thing as “the New Testament”. Think, for a change.

  • Reagan

    So you are rejecting one source of authority and replacing it with what? Your own authority. The discerning reader might well ask, “So, why should I believe these assertions? How do you know these things?” Aside from the implications of what you are saying, epistemologically this reads like, “because I said so”. Which, I might add, sounds a little bit arrogent. And if the Bible truly is the Word of God, it’s a lot bit arrogent.

  • http://utmgr.org Joel Shaffer

    Um….the inspired written word of God (the Bible) reveals the living word of God (Jesus). In one sense I agree that certain Christians have fashioned idols out of the Bible. But to deconstruct the Bible’s uniqueness and authority is to throw out the baby with the bathwater is to embrace false teaching. And the New Testament is littered with warnings against false teaching among the church.

  • Melody

    I believe the writer’s of the Bible believed they were inspired by God and that’s why they claimed such. I also feel inspired by God at times. I feel inspired right now to tell people that to believe that every word written in the Bible was transcribed word-for-word from heaven is ludicrous. Preachers feel inspired by God every time they share a message with their congregation, but that doesn’t mean that every word they say is correct or even close to what God would want to say. I am a Christian, but not a Bible-thumping, Bible obsessed, Bible worshipping Christian. The Bible is by no means infalliable or inerrant. If it was, then people would still be stoning disobeident children and divorce would be out-lawed.

    • AlphaOmega

      I agree . Just take a single part and examine it. Take the betrayal of Christ. Did Judas kiss Jesus , or did he not kiss Jesus? The gospels writers all tell it differently. Which account is the Word of God? Please do tell.

      • mroge

        They don’t even agree ON WHAT DAY JESUS DIED.

  • Melody

    Typo – writers not writer’s

  • Allison

    Wow. SO……. if the bible is not the Word of God, as you say, what do you use on Sunday Mornings in church? I’m really wondering about that – if you do not believe it is the infallible, inerrant Word of the Living God, what exactly do you do with it and why do you use it? Or do you at all? And even though there are MULTIPLE verses that claim it as such, you still claim it is not the Word of God….?? I believe if I were you, I’d crack that bible open and read: II Tim. 3:16-17; Hebrews 4:12; Romans 10:17; John 17:17; Matthew 4:4; Isaiah 40:8…………. These are just a few. “Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God…’ THIS is how people come to salvation – by Grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone – they MUST hear to GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, WHICH IS THE WORD OF GOD.

    • AlphaOmega

      I think it’s the inspired word if God. I think God willed it into existence and has protected for the reasons Timothy states . But doesn’t mean it is the complete word of God. It is enough of it through to teach His way, so He can then work in you to TRULY reveal Himself personally to you . That happens in your HEART, not in the pages of the Bible, thats what the author was stating I believe

      • PuritanD

        Another false assertion? No one claims that the Bible is the complete word of God, in that is all God has ever said. Love the reader response to explain what the author so poorly tried to communicate. If I have to have you explain what the author of this article is saying, maybe you need to sit down with the author and have him try again.
        There is no issue if you want to actually dialogue with the commenter, but to ignore what they wrote and then make false assertions (building a strawman) and go on to demolish such assertions is not being generous or kind.

  • http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/ SallyVee

    If the Bible is not the Word of God, then why would I want to read it or care what it says? Because YOU tell me it will ‘make me whole’ or some other feel good nonsense? That is an alarming amount of self-regard right there.

    And the way you insist on not capitalizing B for Bible while oddly capitalizing Golden Calf (rather deferential for a story that is NOT from the Word of God) suggests so much confusion and adolescent manipulating that it is very hard to take any of this seriously.

  • Mike Wood

    Well said, Michael Schutz! Based on this article, the Bible is not The authority we should base our ‘experiences’ with God on. Therefore, we must also assume the Mormonism is a true Christian religion, because, though the Mormon faith as well as their 3 books that confess their faith don’t line up with the Bible, Joseph Smith experienced God and who are we to say that’s wrong? So what that the Bible disagrees, it’s not authoritative, it simply documents people’s Godly experiences from the past and good ol’ Joe’s experience came after the Bible, so we should all convert to Mormonism, logically.

  • jason

    What a load of crapp.

  • Lee Fentress

    Hey you guys. Come on now. Isn’t it worth it to maintain a good testimony and representation of Christ by being merciful, empathetic, and forgiving when commenting? Now consider this, as some have pointed out but not expounded upon, the WORD is the LOGOS. “Logos” is the Greek word being translated “word” in the first chapter of John, for example. Christ’s definition as the Logos is extremely significant, because Logos does not simply mean “word” as our translations are limited in regard to unveiling its definition. “Logos” referred to an entire philosophical/theological concept well understood by the original audience. They would have likely furrowed a brow in response to the idea that “word” or “logos” was simply talking about words, language, or written Scripture. Logos is a much deeper concept than that. Now, with that said, would someone else on here please do us the honors and explain what the Logos in fact is? I know there must be some scholars around here somewhere! If not, I’ll have to come do a follow up and try to expound on it more myself, I suppose. :) But, this blog is here to foster genuine conversation is it not?

    • AlphaOmega

      I like you

    • Michael Schutz

      Hi Lee, since I’m one who referred to Jesus as Logos, I’ll chime in again a bit…

      My argument is that it’s a both/and, not an either/or. The Greek word “logos” has multiple meanings. In one sense it is the plain, simple meaning of what we think of when we think of the word “word” – it’s a signifier that means something. To say it another way, it’s a sign that points to something else (which incidentally is how John talks about Jesus’ miracles – he doesn’t call them “miracles”, but “signs”…). The Greek NT has this meaning often when it uses the word “logos”.

      But it has can also be understood as “reason”, “an accounting”, and more. The more philosophical Alexandrian understanding is what it seems you’re referring to, Lee, and it’s possible that John co-opting that in John 1. It’s the sense of “that which holds all things together”, a meta-understanding of “how it all works”. John’s writing to say, “Jesus is exactly *that*. Maybe parallel that to Acts 17 where Paul proclaims that this unknown God of the Athenians is in fact the Christian God. (There’s some uncertainty about just how acquainted John would have been with that Alexandrian notion, but that uncertainty just serves to underscore my point, I think – however aware John was, it can certainly be read in that way, and if we hold to an understanding of Scripture as the inspired word of God, then it makes perfect sense that this particular application can apply even if John didn’t consciously address it, because God has the bigger picture in mind…)

      Much more to unpack and discuss, but I think my whole point is that the multiple levels of meaning of this signifier “logos” as used in Scripture (especially in John, but elsewhere too) is enough evidence in and of itself that the Bible is in fact the word of God. Jesus often talks of “my word(s)”, using that same word “logos”. So Jesus is certainly the embodiment of the eternal God – that “logos” of John 1 – but the *content* of Jesus’ message is also “logos”. So “logos” can encompass both Jesus and the content about Jesus (eg. Heb 13:7). John does this kind of thing all the time – one signifier, one vocable – can and does have multiple levels of meaning. That’s my point, which is my basic response to the point of Eric’s article: on the basis of Scripture itself, the phrase “word of God” does not exclusively refer to Jesus as God-man.

      This might seem like semantics to some, but I think it’s an incredibly important point because of the implications, which I’ve laid out already. Honestly, I’m more concerned with the last two paragraphs of the article than the linguistic discussion because they show us the logical consequences of the linguistic discussion – none of this is just academic; it all has very real implications.

  • http://yahoo nicko

    GET BEHIND ME SATAN…!!!!!!

  • http://yahoo nicko

    THE DEVILS A LIAR…..!!!!!!

  • Geoff

    We can ascertain from the Early Church Fathers, archeological evidence and other lines of evidence that the New Testament is an accurate representation of those who knew Jesus. (Please read “Jesus and the Eyewitnesses” or watch this lecture if you aren’t convinced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Ylt1pBMm8)

    Jesus in the New Testament can clearly be shown to view the Bible as the Word of God. He admonishes people for not believing in Scripture and says that “Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35). Why should our view of Scripture be lower than Jesus’ view of Scripture?

    • AlphaOmega

      Did Judas kiss Jesus or not when he betrayed him? Please read all four gospels and get back to us

      • Geoff

        Jesus identifying himself in John and Judas kissing Jesus in the other 3 gospels aren’t mutually exclusive. Please feel free to try some other Bible difficulty if you would like.

        • Colleen Kristich

          The New Testament wasn’t canonized for, what, 300 years after Jesus died though? How can you be sure that he was talking about Paul’s letters when he talked about Scripture? Scripture in Jesus’ day was the Old Testament.

  • http://twitter.com/piratechristian Chris Rosebrough (@piratechristian)

    Here’s a segment from my radio program where I respond to and refute the nonsense in this post. My main point is that the Jesus invoked in this post flat out disagrees with this post….AKWARD!

    Here’s the link to the segment. http://youtu.be/rZJ9p1rbcHc

    • http://toomanythorns.wordpress.com Dominick

      Chris, great point! Someone else said, “where do you get the notion that Jesus IS the Word of God?’ That too me put the matter to bed right then and there!

      • Dee

        Question; How did the disciples know Jesus IS the Word of God if they did not have the bible back then? Don’t confuse the living Word of God (which comes by the Holy Spirit) to an inanimate book of history. Anybody can have,or read the bible and it will make sense or not but, it is only the Holy Spirit of truth who can bring it to life in your heart. Only then, does it become the Word of God other than that what you get after reading the bible is head knowledge. Give yourself time, it will all come to you by the Spirit of truth.

    • http://twitter.com/shanesbrother Shanes brother (@shanesbrother)

      Hey Chris,

      I think you may have misunderstood the article. I interpret this blog post as completely sarcastic. Eric is actually affirming the sufficiency, authority and inspiration of the Bible.

  • Truth

    I see the loons and 10 word theologues rush in to expose their lack of historical context and understanding.

    “Inerrant”??? Seriously? Who labeled the bible(just a book of stories) “inerrant”? And why? Maybe you find the answer to those two questions first before attacking the author for blasphemy.

  • Truth

    I see the loons and the10 word theologues rush in to expose their lack of historical context and understanding.

    “Inerrant”??? Seriously? Who labeled the bible(just a book of stories) “inerrant”? And why? Maybe you find the answer to those two questions first before attacking the author for blasphemy.

    • Jimmy Johnson

      Please change your name to “Truth Denier”.

      Jesus said to him: “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6

    • David Brainerd

      The problem with using a common word, like, well the word “word” as the name of a deity is that every lunatic then insists that every occurrence of the word “word” refers to their deity. When the Bible says “the word of God” it must now always be a reference to Jesus! Epic fail.

  • Adriel
  • http://flamingfundamentalist.blogspot.com/ Curt Day

    Only in a world where there is only one definition for “Word of God” can we exclude the Bible, the original autographs to be specific, can one assert that regarding the Bible as the Word of God is idolatry and contradicts Jesus being the Word of God.

    Certainly, Jesus is Word of God in how he has always been God’s Son and everything was made through him. But how do we know about Jesus unless God reveals it to us. And here, we have testimony after testimony, a long history, prophecy, and teaching telling us who God is. If we wish to learn solely about God through some type of personal experience only, we run the risk of confusing spiritual anthropology with the religion of Christianity, the study of man’s spiritual quests vs the God revealing Himself in His Son, idealistic wishful thinking vs truths, some of which will be hard.

    The testimony of the Scriptures is that Jesus is God’s eternal Word through which creation came into being while the Scriptures are God’s Word as God has told us story after story of how He has interacted with us. Why be rigid by declaring there can only be one meaning for the Word of God?

    • Jimmy Johnson

      Please use the proper capitalization for “word of God” and “Word of God”.
      The former refers exclusively to the scriptures, the latter to Jesus.

      You can check it out in John 10:35, Mark 7:13, John 1:1 and John 1:14.

      • Dee

        Jimmy, you seem confused about the difference between ‘rhema’ and ‘logos’. It is the translators who decided on what to capitalize and uncapitalize, it is left to the reader to read meanings into it. Yes, ‘in context’ is everything. Mk 7:13 in KJV uses “word of God”, AMP version uses “Word of God”. Are you going to lecture me on which version to use? Hebrew has only uppercases so how did the translators used capitalization in the OT?

  • Rowina Seidler

    Hi Eric…We know Jesus is the Word from John 1 but I would be interested to know how you interpret Jesus calling the Old Testament scriptures the word of God in Matt 15:3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’[a]and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’[b] 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 

    • Courage Platypus

      He didn’t call them the word of God. The 10 Commandments… they were the word of God. Not the rest of the OT. He never even touched on half of it.

  • selah

    ““Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.“But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me.“Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me?“He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.””
    (John 8:43–47 NAS95)

  • Steve W

    Anybody who says that archeology has ‘proved’ the historical accuracy of the bible really has no understanding of either the bible or archeology. I agree with Eric.

  • Moses

    The Bible IS the word of God, you idiot.

    • Dee

      Really? ink and paper has become the living Word of God, an object? are you serious? If you get your head out of that book a little you will realize that God is everywhere and He’s speaking to you everyday; by nature, through people, books (which the bible is a part of), visions, dreams, in your mind, your heart, etc. If you only hear His voice/Word from the bible then you deny His omnipresence and limit His power and Being to ink and paper(derived from wood) that can easily catch fire and burn to ashes. Ask yourself, if the bible is taken away from you now, can you still be a righteous person: love God, love your neighbor and acknowledge Christ’s sacrifice, be a blessing to others, have love, joy peace, patience, etc? The Word of God is in you and inscribed in your heart where no one can take it away from you. If you miss this, you’ll miss every opportunity He brings your way. His Word is stirring on your inside right now, the secret place of the Most High. That is why Jesus said “But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.” Matt 6:6. “God is a spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in truth and in spirit.” He is not physical neither is He limited in a book.

      • Jimmy Johnson

        Dee,
        Jesus is the Word of God – note the capitalized W in Word.
        The bible is the word of God – note the uncapitalized w in Word in this usage.
        Context is everything.
        Will accept reproof from Jesus even? Read John 10:35 – scriptures are the “word of God”; Mark 7:13 – ditto;

        Now contrast these verses with John 1:1 and John 1:14 which clearly teach Jesus was the Word of God – capital W on Word.

        See the difference?

        • Colleen Kristich

          Can you please explain the spiritual significance of capitalization.

  • Barfly_Kokhba

    Hmm. No, I think you’re totally wrong.

  • ngotts

    Mmmm. Just feel that Christian love!

  • rob

    Jesus is the Word. The New testament and Jesus are one and the same. The old testament is not the Word of God. For the NT says to receive the Word implanted for it is able to save your soul, the old testament can not save you . The NT also says be doer’s of the Word, you cannot be a doer of the old testament and be saved

    • Dee

      So, if Jesus and the NT are the same did we get only part of him if the bible cannot contain all he did? “And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written” – Jn. 21:25

      • Expose The Lies

        I have just found out that ‘Jesus is The Word of the ever living God’. Not the book that I’ve been idolising for the past 4 years. Whoops!! The book is great for instruction and righteousness training but it won’t save me. It’s not easy when you have been taught differently by churches for most of your life. We need to conduct ourselves with a large element of grace and love from God on here. It is the beginning of a true person relationship and cannot be forced on people, just give them the evidence and direction.

        This page has alot of good evidence.
        http://www.hallvworthington.com/Scripture_Grouping/wordofgod.html

  • Sunny Lovetts

    What demonic lies you tell your readers. Listen not to this madness, Jesus is Lord and the Holy Bible is the Word of the ever living God.

    • Jimmy Johnson

      God bless you Sunny! You are exactly correct. Unbelievable how hostile these “emergent” cultists are to the word of God, and even the Word of God!!!

    • Colleen Kristich

      Is the Bible part of the Trinity?

  • Foreigner

    I am so confused not only by this article, but by the myriad comments.

    • David Brainerd

      Join the club.

  • Dee

    Very interesting and thought provoking article. For those who do not understand this article ask yourselves these questions:
    1. If the bible (aka book) was not compiled until centuries after the prophets and disciples then what did they refer to anytime they talked about the Word of God (WoG)?
    2. When scriptures say “the WoG came to —-someone”, was it the voice of God or the bible walked up to the person?
    3. Did Christ say “I will send you the bible or I will send you the Spirit of truth?” The bible is only a record of God dealing with men not a LIVING Spirit of truth.
    4. Is the bible inanimate or a living Spirit of God? The scripture only becomes live when the Spirit of God ignites it in your heart.
    5. Can a book contain the fullness of a Supreme Being who created the entire galaxy?
    6. If the bible was compiled centuries after, does it mean the prophets and disciples did not know the WoG back then?
    7. Doesn’t it sound awkward to say “In the beginning was the bible, and the bible was with God….(Jn.1)?”
    Not everyone will understand this since everyone is on a different level of spiritual growth. So don’t be quick in condemning what you do not understand now. It will all come to you some day. By the way, when you look at the trees and marvel how they grow and benefit human; the air and how it blows and goes in and out of you as breath; or the endless sea and its waves or how the sun set over the oceans, when you look at all these and are in awe of the power that created and sustains nature, a still small voice whispers in your ears saying “isn’t that beautiful, can you see the glory of God in all these?” that is the voice of God or WoG. He’s is everywhere and speaks to us all the time. HE is everywhere and in everyone, just that people can suppress HIS form and take on the character of the ‘adversary’. Remember we were created in HIS image.
    The WoG is the voice that is telling you what you are thinking of or about to do is wrong. The WoG is in your heart not a book. The book is just a recording of how YHVH dealt with men in time past. The book can decay but, the WoG is in your heart and will live forever. Don’t replace the voice of the Spirit of God with a man-made object. It is good to have it and read though. Remember Christ rebuked the scribes saying “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; -Jn. 5:39. Shalom!

    • Andrea

      That is Just beautiful Thank you

      –>By the way, when you look at the trees and marvel how they grow and benefit human; the air and how it blows and goes in and out of you as breath; or the endless sea and its waves or how the sun set over the oceans, when you look at all these and are in awe of the power that created and sustains nature, a still small voice whispers in your ears saying “isn’t that beautiful, can you see the glory of God in all these?”
      I just love this with all of my heart.

  • Dee

    Man!!! I love you response. Instead of openly discussing the Word of God or the point of this article, people just like to label others and disrespect their views. See why people say Christians are intolerable? We can’t even tolerate each other’s views. I wonder if on the final day God will say “all Mormons line up here, all Baptists over there, all Catholics this way, all Calvinists that way. Hmm, which group have I left out…” Come people, even God Himself said “… come, let us reason together…”

  • http://www.jcooh.com/ Bill

    I’m glad I found this blog. Over the past 20 yrs I’ve felt
    that the church’s claim that “the Bible is the word of God” has been one of the
    main causes of her ineffectiveness and decline. During my years as a Christian
    (40+), the church has increasingly pursued elevating the scriptures from a
    document that is “profitable” to a spiritual entity that is “sufficient.” I’m
    not convinced that it was intentional but it certainly is a teaching that
    allows church leaders to exercise more control over the laity by promoting
    their “objective and learned” interpretation of the scriptures.

    Probably the worst consequence is that this teaching has
    fostered believers that feel little need for the Holy Spirit in their
    day-to-day life. He is the one that the Father and Jesus sent to guide and
    empower believers and convict the unbeliever. The Holy Spirit has authority and
    power because He was sent. The Bible is profitable and useful because it
    contains the good news concerning Jesus Christ. However, the Bible does not
    possess power or authority because it’s not a living entity.

    I think the church would serve Christ better by spending her
    energy building up and equipping the believers rather than pitching the perfect
    book/law on a lost and unconcerned world that is drowning in rules to live by.

    • Jimmy Johnson

      1. The bible IS the word of
      God. Hebrews 4:12. Please note that ‘word’ is small case when referring
      to the bible in the scriptures which you clearly did not consult when
      writing this.

      2. Jesus IS AND ALWAYS WAS the Word of God John 1:1,
      1:14. Note the capitalized ‘W’ in ‘Word’ in this statement. Jesus as
      the Word is capitalized.

      3. The bible never All-Caps WORD OF GOD
      like you did.

      You clearly need to spend more time in the word of God.

      • http://www.jcooh.com/ Bill

        Heb 1:2 declares “in these last days he has spoken to us by
        his Son …” I don’t find any claim in the
        Bible indicating that a book would be coming to complete what
        Jesus and the Holy Spirit were not sufficient to accomplish.

        If the “word of God,” in Heb 4:12, is referring to the
        Bible, then whose sight and whose eyes are being referred to in vs 13?

        We know that God sent us the Holy Spirit, but where do we find that God sent the Bible?

        When did the Bible become a divine entity?

        Has the Bible become the 4th person of the Godhead
        or has the Bible just replaced the Holy Spirit?

        What authority and power does the Bible have? (Being
        “profitable” does not automatically confer divine authority or power on
        something or someone.)

        When God spoke of the “new” covenant, where did He say He
        would write His law, in a book? (see Jeremiah 31:33)

        I hope this helps.

        • Jimmy Johnson

          Perhaps you’ll listen to the words of Jesus – or do you deny he is the Word of God. You have yet to admit the author’s error confusing the “word of God”, thee “Word of God”, and the senseless “WORD OF GOD”.

          So will you take Jesus at his word are you so far gone you will deny his words too?

          See John 10:35
          Mark 7:13

          I hope this helps.

          • http://www.jcooh.com/ Bill

            Did you answer the questions I posed? If you
            want to defend your position, you need to be able to answer questions from
            those who hold a different opinion. However, I am glad to address all of your
            questions.

            John 10:35 – Jesus affirms the validity (not the
            deity) of “the Scriptures (30-33 a.d.).” However, that refers to the 39 books
            of the Old Testament since the New Testament had not yet been written.

            Mark 7:13 – Do you think that Jesus may be
            referring to those expressions/directives that came directly from God
            regardless of whether or not they had been written down. Things like
            commandments, prophecy, and finally His Son. Still, when Jesus is making these
            remarks (30-33 a.d.) there is no New Testament.

            To take terms from scripture (i.e. the “word of
            God,” “scripture,” and “inspired”) and assume or draw unsubstantiated
            conclusions for convenience sake is not helpful in spiritual matters.

            Let me offer my definition of the Word (or word)
            of God that I believe the scriptures support.

            Word
            of God — All divine expression (the process of making known
            one’s thoughts or feelings)- whatsoever thought, utterance, or manifestation
            that emanates from God (the source).

            (This definition intends to include; Jesus Christ, God’s spoken words, God’s
            revealed thoughts (revelation), and prophecy.

            It does not include thoughts, utterances, or observations of men who may
            be devoted to God, regardless of the degree of their devotion.)

            Now, I’ve tried to address your comments and I hope
            you will address my previous questions.

        • Dee

          I agree with you Bill. the book is just a resource or reference. It takes some maturity to understand it.

  • Andrea

    I wish I was around when Jesus was in the Flesh on Earth. I wish. I would have put down everything to follow wherever he went. Should that not be the same now? Just because he is not here..Doesn’t mean he is not here. I have only a Book to go by that chances are – have been altered in many ways to suit mans greed / foolish reasons. Or I have my soul. Which was created by God – So why should I not listen to it? The Bible for the knowledge and history and my soul to listen and follow the Lord.

    • Kimberlee Thomas

      The relationship you have with Jesus is supernatural, and not found in a book, Andrea…I don’t hear many people admit this. I know the “book” has been altered and what is in the compilation of books was chosen for purposes that were not Godly. So I can’t rely on the book. So many people are hurt by the “book”. God is not hurt, pain, rejection, and a deity who sits up there and tells us women that we are dumber than rocks and need men to provide us with justification for living, and that people who are attracted to the same sex or who are born in a body that looks one sex but in fact is another are doomed before we ever get started. The world is a horribly misguided place but Jesus sheds light on this experience and leads us into a deeply spiritual existence that extends beyond the life of the garment we are wearing for a short time. Bless you and all on this page. Be Love,
      I truly believe that may have been the only really true thing that Paul, who is not Jesus OR God, wrote if Paul is even the one who really wrote it. LOL It’s fearful for many to have to rely on something spiritual instead of a book. Pray for them and know we are all the same, no better.

      • Andrea

        We’ll said. I like your view, and thank you for your support
        :)
        Have a Merry Christmas, You your family and others that read this.

  • mr.ddt

    Christ in us the hope of glory vs the book out side us the idol…lol

  • Leo Park

    The Bible is a book, a holy one, but still a book. To spread the Word of God is to make God known to others. Using the Bible, using the story of Jesus, taking someone to Mass, and so on. We may call the Bible the Word of God, but truly, it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should put it in a lower place.

  • Jimmy Johnson

    If you would spend a little more time reading the word of God (Hebrews 4:12) and less time writing on a subject you know nothing about, you’d be better off!

    1. The bible IS the word of God. Hebrews 4:12. Please note that ‘word’ is small case when referring to the bible in the scriptures which you clearly did not consult when writing this.
    2. Jesus IS AND ALWAYS WAS the Word of God John 1:1, 1:14. Note the capitalized ‘W’ in ‘Word’ in this statement. Jesus as the Word is capitalized.
    3. The bible never All-Caps WORD OF GOD like you did. That is a meaningless usage of this expression, much like everything you wrote.

    • http://www.jcooh.com/ Bill

      You state the “word of God” is referring to the Bible in Heb 4:12 where it is described as having attributes of a “divine entity.”

      Then why in vs 13 does the author refer to this same “divine entity” as a man when he continues his remarks with the terms “… his eyes …” and “… him with whom …” (KJV)

      Then in vs 14 the author continues his remarks about this “divine entity” referring to “…a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God …”?

      Do vss. 13 & 14 sound as though the author is talking about the Bible?

      Do you really believe that the Bible will judge us (vs. 12 – “… discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart …”)? That seems to contradict John 5:22.

    • Guest

      Unless you can specify which of the 166 known canonized volumes referred to as the “Holy Bible” is THE ACTUAL word of God, your argument is flawed Jimmy Johnson. Jesus and the Bible cannot be the Word of God simultaneously. One is a book held together with binder’s glue, the Other is alive and well; resurrected from the dead and victorious over the works of the devil. Seems like you need to decide which side of the fence you are going to sit on. There should not be any grey areas when dealing with these things. It’s all very easy to understand and very straightforward. To call the Bible the word of God is inaccurate. The word ‘word’ is singular, yet there are over 750,000 words (plural) in the Bible. Capitalization is irrelevant. Word, word. Doesn’t really matter. There is rhema and there is logos.

      • James Whitener

        Remarkable – you manage to be arrogant and ignorant with the same post.

        Reread my post. I explained your stupid point.

        • Guest

          Who are you? I was responding to Jimmy Johnson. I wasn’t talking to you. This is your first posting on Disqus, so how can I reread something you’ve never posted. Unless you’re faking accounts now or attempting to double post.

        • Packra

          please fellow this link :- http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/BBC's%20High%20Tech%20Jesus.htm and read to the end

  • Jimmy Johnson

    I must be in the emergent zone!

    More false teachings posted here than you can shake a stick at!

  • Jimmy Johnson

    Yes God did stop talking when John penned the book of Revelation. God now speaks to his saints through his word of God – the completed scriptures, accurately translated into many versions in English and obviously other languages.

  • Dee

    It is funny to even label the book “Holy”. How can a book be holy? Only the Creator is Holy. How can we even limit or compare the purity, gloriness and Holiness of the King to a book? The book is a resource or reference, period. God is everywhere: look at the beauty of the human being, he is God’s creation; look at how the sky hangs over the earth; the sun rises and set; the trees, ocean, soil, animals, rain, water; look at the good in others and you will see God. God dwells in you (you love, you have peace patience, kindness, joy, all attributes of God), and you also dwell in God. The air you breath; water you drink; blood in your veins, creativity in others; the way the world works, it is all God. If you can see this and walk in it, you will experience the fullness of God. That, was what Christ wanted us to see and understand. People should quite looking up toward the sky when they pray and realise that God is right by them and in them, they only have to radiate His essence more and more. He is not found on the pulpit, you only have to experience Him.

    As I mature in God through Christ and gain new insight, one thing that has helped me is; when I’m going through anything (as often as comes to mind), I pause for a few seconds, close my eyes (sometimes spread my arms to feel the wind), take a deep breath and pray “YHVH, show yourself to me, and walk with me or show me a miracle.” This has worked for me SO MANY time. You feel relax and calm, and everything falls in place for you. The peace that comes over you, you cannot describe. Shalom

  • Dwaine Thomas Martin

    After 50 years of pastoring, it still amazes me how diverse and individual we have become as the Body of Christ! No slam intended, but the control that too often comes from the pulpit, represented as thought God were speaking has so infiltrated the Church that its members sit in complacency like dear caught in the headlights! When do we, each for ourselves, begin to find the PEACE that is HIM! When do we stop arguing as to who is right, or even what is right…and just talk about our love for Him. Yes, I have dealt for years with those who think their’s is the only way; to which I merely say, FIND HIM, for HE IS THE WAY, the ONLY WAY to the Father!

    • http://www.jcooh.com/ Bill

      I do agree with you that many Christians are sitting in the church like deer caught in headlights. However, your concern about “when do we stop arguing as to who is right” ignores our responsibility to build each other
      up in the unity of the faith (Eph 4:11-14).

      Not everyone in the pulpit belongs there, and not everything being taught from the pulpit should be left unchallenged. Standing by and letting these “startled deer” be run over by crippling traditions and false teaching is not an option.

      Promoting the Bible as a divine entity, living, active, and able to judge man’s thoughts, is one such teaching that needs to be confronted. It’s the Protestant version of “transubstantiation.”

      The main purpose of this essay is to inform those believers that instead of relying upon the Bible for spiritual authority and power, they ought to be looking to Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Conferring divine attributes to the Bible should be recognized for what it is, idolatry. The Bible doesn’t support this teaching and neither should we support it. To willingly ignore false teaching in the church is to become complicit in its damage.

  • Patrick

    I normally do not participate in online chat forums of any definition as they are perverse and these days I do not tolerate the evil well. In 2009 I had a medical accident and died. During this “death” period and/or the multiple day coma that ensued I was with God and Jesus for many months. I never saw God but only the images he put into me and heard his word as he spoke to me. I also saw and interacted with Jesus. The purpose of this time was to learn some valuable lessons. One thing I learned is that no-one speaks for God. Jesus sits at God’s side. We (humans) are the children of God – we are a part of him. Our purpose in life is to find God and come to him through love. That is the only way. When you die if you do not want to go to hell as I did you must have a sincere and loving relationship with God. If you interact only with Jesus you are not with God. Jesus can help you get there but your relationship must be with God. Religion can help you but it is not the only way. the Bible can help you but it is not the only way. Remember the Bible is God breathed but still penned by humans. You must come to God of your own free will to put true meaning into this. He takes no value in “forcing” humans to act. His “help” is kept to an absolute minimum. Personal disease is his gift to us. God very much wants you to come to him as he loves you dearly as you are his lost child. If you want to talk to me please email me at sitma@shaw.ca. If your intention is evil please do not communicate with me. My time in hell and with God has left me very sensitive to evil. If you seek the “true” word of God please email me. PS: I will not respond to “evil”. Do not seek to tempt me with lies and deceit. Be honest and sincere and I will respond.

    • Packra

      Are you a human or a god being

      • Patrick James

        I am only human, nothing more.

        • Packra

          We all are attributes of God so you are a God being , what is required of you is to attaind your divine self so that you will be a divine being.
          ,

          ——————————

    • Abs

      Hi Patrick, this is not the first time I have heard someone say they saw Jesus during a near death occurrence. Therefore, my question is, what did Jesus look like? I know whatever little description the bible gives of Jesus it cannot be replicated.

    • Johnny Perish.

      All of this is in your head, ever heard of DMT? It’s a defense mechanism basically for humans to handle, “death” and your hallucinations are defined by your psyche and personal experiences. I was raised in a heavily formed traditional christian home, and as much as I don’t believe it, if I was to go through some traumatic experience such as yours I’m sure I would be in hell for a few months.

  • Bells

    “we have made the WORD OF GOD into our image – the bible”…ummm – how?
    No reasoning is provided for how you have jumped to this extraordinary conclusion.

    “Words on a page do not give us strength; they do not give us power. It is only when we embody those words on the page that we truly become like the WORD OF GOD.”
    Call me crazy, but why would we even bother trying to embody those ‘words on a page’ if they weren’t the Word of God in the first place?

    “The WORD OF GOD occurs through a compilation of acts that bring forth the WORD OF GOD within the individual – prayer, sacred scripture, fellowship, worship.”
    The Word of God doesn’t “occur”, Jesus is the Word made flesh, and He is revealed in the pages of holy scripture, otherwise known as the Bible (capital “B”).
    Yes, God is bigger than paper and ink, but He has chosen to reveal Himself to humans through His Word. His Word is objective, that is, outside of us. If you choose to go beyond “what is written” and create a god according to your own imagination then your god is subjective, and not the One true God.
    You are on shaky ground my friend, and need to repent and turn back to the God of the Bible.

  • http://www.speakingthegosple.com/ John

    The Bible does contain the words of God, but if as you say is not the word of God, then I ask which parts of the Bible are the Word of God and which are not? In answering that question is to inadvertently places himself as the judge of what is and what is not inspired. By what standard would such a person make such judgment?
    http://www.speakingthegosple.com

  • karabo

    Jesus tells it nicely;
    John5:37-4 “nor does his WORD dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent.You diligently study the Scriptures because YOU THINK that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that TESTIFY about me”…scriptures ar written bcos of Word of God,but they ar NOT themselves Word of God that give live,otherwise everyone reading scriptures should have spiritual relationship with God. Can word of God end in such a small book? Can God cover such a complex and ever changing life in such a small book? And does word stay in one’s heart or get stored in a book??

    Bible is a compilation of scriptures that testify about God(it is not Word of God), it is written by people who possessed word of God in them. People who possessed living word of God managed to use that to write scriptures to testify, it came to them through spirit.

    Bible says all things were made by the word,NOT by scriptures, but WORD!
    John 1:1 says; “….word is God”…if God is in you, then u have his word in you,
    Word of God is in one’s mind not on a paper. Scriptures in bible are testimony from word of God that was ALIVE in Apostles, his word lives in you, his word is not text but SPIRIT!
    John 8:37- “word that I speak to you are spirit,..life giving”
    They ar SPIRIT & give life,spirit is in you and gives life, not from a book next to your headboards.
    John 8:47 – “he who is of God hears my words, you can’t hear my words because you are not of God”..surely this people can for sure read scriptures, so how come they don’t hear his word if it is something you can just read on paper??

    Hebrews 4:12- “Word is living and active…”ALIVE & ACTIVE”, a living word,that’s christ,holy spirit in you, voice of God coming through you,who is living and active, it is alive because christ is alive everyday in you not only when you read bible in church. It is not sleeping, it is awake, it don’t only live or operate only when someone refer to bible. Something is active because it progressively drive your life it doesn’t operate only when you read about it, even if you haven’t read about something it will still reflect in your life. You don’t stop fornication because you read it from a book, you stop because you have active word alive in you, operating anytime anywhere, it don’t stop because being active because you have missed it from a chapter.

    How did Paul preach and write scriptures without bible in his hands? If Word is what’s on paper? Paul had this Spiritual word inside him that’s why he managed to preach and write scriptures because of spirit word inside him, not written text. He never went out to read bible to people on a sunday,he never said he has revelation from what’s on paper, he had revelation from within NOT from analyzing bible and say he got revelation. Everyday he had something new to say because he had an ACTIVE word in him,it was active because anywhere,anytime he could speak godliness without referring to a paper.

    • Paolon

      The first scripture reference is used wrongly. That is talking about what was written, that why Jesus says you search it. They did not believe what was written for if they did they would have placed their faith in Christ Jesus. That is obviously what Jesus is saying. The issue was not what was written, which was obviously of God, but the stiff necks of the people.

      And how can you use the bible to say what the bible is not? What authority are you using? Whose words are they?

      Anyways…you say Jesus had something new to say but Jesus Himself referred to people keeping His commandments, no? Are they not written or do you think God has given us some new truths? If so, what new should we be studying, as the bible clearly tells us to do.

      Now, surely the believer must commune with The Holy Spirit, but we know that because of the scriptures.

  • zab

    The Bible is a collection of books. Be it Songs of Solomon, Ruth, Colosians…and put together by men through councils. The Word of God is Jesus Himself. The Bible is NOT God so it is not the WORD of God. It contains words of God to men, of men to other men and of men to God. Many words spoken by men in the books of the Bible are not accurate and some teachings questionable. Does money answer everything? Are saved by grace without deeds? Does Philemon owe his life to Paul? Is Paul a spiritual father? Did the people wo accompanied Paul see the light only or did they hear the voice? Was Ananias a disciple or a devout law observing jew? And many more questions. The Bibe is NOT the WORD of God, neither is it holy.

  • Abs

    Based on all I have just read. I would like to find out if there every was someone by the name of Jesus who walked on this earth? The Bible says “… His name was then called Jesus, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb” (Luke 2:21). However, for years I was brainwashed but now I am threading the road that we were forbidden thread by our Christian brothers, sisters,parents, friends, and pastors repeatedly telling us “the bible is the infallible work of God, and you should not question the bible”. This journey has led me to discover that there could not have been a human by the name of “Jesus” as the bible claims because the letter “J” never existed during the time period it was claimed that “Jesus” existed. From my research the letter “J” only came into existence in the 1700. Therefore, many of us have been calling on the name that never existed prior to the 1700. Did any of you know that? I look at my current journey this way. If I would like answers my human father would not be upset at me for asking for answers. So why is it we accept this form of suppression by the church, its leaders, etc when we are told not to question the bible? Some of you may not be ready for this reality. So please don’t get annoyed at me. Do the research only if you are open and have a solid relationship with Yahweh.

    • http://www.speakingthegosple.com/ John

      The Greek word for Jesus is Iησοῦς.
      It is pronounced as “eeaysoos.” When “eeaysoos” was
      transliterated into the English long ago it became Jesus, the term we use in
      English today.

      Some will make a false claim that if we
      don’t pronounce Jesus’ name properly (either as Yeshua and or Eeaysoos) then we
      are in sin and serving a false god, but this false accusation cannot be made
      from scripture. It is not the pronunciation of a word that makes us
      Christian. It is receiving the messiah, God in flesh, by faith that makes
      us a Christian. This same reasoning must also be applied when we say the word “God”, which
      is “theos” since that is how the word is pronounced in
      Greek? Or what about when we call Jesus the “Savior” must we
      pronounce the word as it is in Greek (sotare) or is it okay to use the English
      word “savior?”

      The entire New Testament was written in
      Greek and the word Jesus is the word that is used. It is not the
      Hebrew יֵשׁוּעַ which is Yeshua. So, it is simple. Jesus is
      properly called Jesus.

      The
      New Testament uses “Jesus” as the name and not a Hebrew name.
      For people to say that Jesus’ real name is Yashua or Yahusha or Yahushua, etc. is just a statement trying to push a satanic agenda.
      http://www.speakingthegosple.com

  • Les Oxnam

    A big hearty AMEN to this document! I have been saying this for years,
    but most don’t receive it. When the Bible is called the Word of God it
    points to itself and becomes God, but when Jesus is called the Word of
    God, the Bible points to Him as it should. Thank you so much for
    writing this and may the Lord protect you from those who would attack
    you for telling the truth! http://www.all4god.net/word_of_god.htm

  • phil

    OK, you have correctly identified that the OT is not the Word of God. It is a book of Control-Freakery written by priests to keep the masses under control – somebody needs to do that, though. However, the masses ignore mere mortals but could be superstitiously influenced by an omnipotent vengeful god. The Decalogue is an excellent philosophy for a decent society and since the West has ditched God look at where it is going. The evils of the OT spring from god-given rights to land and chosen people, which are not God’s Words but priestly inducements made millennia ago to keep the Decalogue in vogue; the latter was and is a just goal.

    Mr English speaks of Jesus but he was another ploy invented by a Jewish sect to downgrade the laws of the OT. Someone mentioned adultery but its associated activities accounts for why a ‘lifer’ prison is MOSTLY full of people who could not refrain from ‘stoning’ a wayward partner/consort. Back to Control-Freakery, the Jesus myth was adopted by the Romans under Constantine following the
    crafting of the NT by the pious ‘Christian Fathers’ to keep the masses subdued. Prophesy is a con. The writer of Matthew had something like 18 ‘fulfilments’, which suspiciously look like items out of the OT to ‘fulfil’ prophesy (prophets speak and listen to God – humanity’s hotline to Heaven!).

    Atheism is misguided. Why would a fantastic universe ‘appear’ without consciousness – why have robotic cosmic billiards if there is no Being to entertain? Consciousness is the most profound mystery in our universe and it begs to recognise an omnipotent Being, a spiritual Being not needing material architecture. As soon as one applies anthropological attributes to that Being, S/He becomes degraded and open to vacuous debate readily seen coming out of the Bible; where did all the zealous denominations come from? Out of the anthropological ‘Words’! The only exception I make is that I speak to God as my friend because I believe I have a tiny bit of God’s spirit in me and the only cause for prayer is to grant peace for suffering souls. Anything more would be too presumptuous.

    • Saul Codison

      If you don’t believe the OT or any Scripture at all, then why believe in God? If you don’t agree with the God of the Bible found both in OT and NT then may I know which God you’re worshipping? Sure you loathe atheism, but your God whoever it is, is not the God found in the Bible. I don’t know whether you believe in Christianity or not but your beliefs are far from being Biblical or atheistical as it is.

      Your comment on the OT and the Pentateuch seems you’ve been promoting the “Documentary Hypothesis” idea- which is full of holes. Both the five books claim excellent knowledge and survey of the land which only a person in the time of Abraham and Moses could only know of. Not to mention the first five books have even Moses agreeing that He wrote the law! (Deut 31:26).

      Your comments in Jesus is also uninformed, the claim Jesus is a myth is an assertion that certainly has no substantial grounds. The Gospels were written well within the time of Jesus’ death destroying the chance of legend embellishments which sprang up in the 2nd century where the Gnostic Gospels are prominent. Did you base your understanding on the Da Vinci Code about the Gospels?

      If you don’t accept the Bible or think some of which are false, what makes you think you can adhere to its moral teachings or its claims about relationship with God? Whoever this God is, it is an idol, and a God foreign to Christianity.

      • phil

        Thank you for your thoughts. Your leading question implies exclusivity to your beliefs, which is fine but unquestioned belief in ‘scripture’ permits physical elimination of other faiths e.g. the Christian Crusades and currently Sharia Law wants everyone to follow its faith under penalty of death. My God would offer peace to the suffering and no paradoxes. I draw your attention to: Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Latin scholars will instantly recognise that ‘evidence of things not seen’ is a perfect paradox (ex videre ‘of seeing’). The problem with any ‘faith’ for rational people is that it requires following ‘evidence of things not seen’.

        One certainly needs faith to accept that large numbers of Israelites were going around and around in circles for forty years somewhere in the Sinai desert living on Manna [Ex 16:35]. Miraculously, they were then told by God to kill off all of the Canaanites and steal their land because there were bad guys living there. Their faith lasts to this very day. Sorry, I forgot the land originally was God’s property so He was free to dispose of it according to His will.

        You mentioned Josephus elsewhere in support of the historicity of Jesus. I point out for an important figure like Jesus, Josephus merely recorded 125 words in 18 Chapters of Jewish Antiquities, 18.3.3 §63 and they are considered forgeries by some scholars. (This note contains 413 words).

        It is indeed comforting to have the arms of Jesus around you in troubled times. Ask yourself these: Who was recording the conversations betwixt Jesus and Satan during His temptations in the desert? How is it that for The God-Man we have no physical description of Him when He was seen by multitudes? Every student has heard of conservation of mass so how can five loaves generate twelve baskets to feed 5000? [Mk 8:19]

        Actually, your smiteful God of the OT is the antithesis of the loving God of the NT and yet the claim is a never changing God. I agree that the authority of God reinforces acceptance of moral teachings such as the Decalogue. However, there are plenty of virtuous atheists and I would point out that the best place to find a hypocrite is in church – the atheists have no need of hypocrisy.

        You have said nothing to confound my views but I am always open to informed persuasion, something that the faithful cannot do.

        • Saul Codison

          Phil,

          “Unquestioned belief” in Scripture do not mean instantly of censoring out other views or beliefs. While Christians are indeed convinced that the Gospel is the truth and no other beliefs are- it does not give them the liberality to censor out other views. Christians are to “test every spirits whether they are from God” as found in 1 John 4:1- that means test all things whether it stands to the scrutiny from God’s Word. While that may look dogmatic or sometimes narrow-minded, it is expedient to realise that other beliefs do that as well. The question is, which belief may account best of explaining our world? Christians test and put to scrutiny certain sets of beliefs whether they stand against God’s Word successfully or not from science, reason, faith, morality and everything the world wants to know.

          I see you have a problem with faith and reason and there is a false wall of separation that divides both. Faith for many people sounds like a leap in the dark, but it is through faith- you learn how you see the world around you (Hebrews 11:3- Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by God) just as how the Bible defines it. Faith is not blind faith, faith leads you to how you see the world around you or “Believing is seeing” not the vice versa.

          Well, it isn’t really hard to believe that the Israelites wander the desert for forty years. Joshua 2:9-10 gives a description through Rahab’s eyes of knowing exactly that the Israelites had gone out from Egypt thanks to God’s power which any ordinary Canaanite can know. Joshua 10 gives a description of how different Canaanite kings had expected and known that the Israelites will go to Canaan as Promised by God (they know Abraham and the two Patriarchs live there for a while). Independent testimonies and hostile witnesses as well as unique antiquity (the details of the land and description of the ethnicities) constitutes reliability of the first five books.

          Let us also be not misunderstood but the Canaanites weren’t innocent. God had already told the Israelites that it was because of the wickedness of Canaan is why He’s driving them out (Deut. 9:4) and not to mention the Israelites aren’t anything special- they too know they have sinned against God during the desert. Genesis 15:16 reports of that God were already “measuring” the sins of Canaanites until were full. That means God is preparing Abraham to know that the Israelites won’t come until the Canaanites (yes it was Amorites mentioned but let us know that God just used one example of Canaanites to explain to Abraham what’s going on). Had Canaanites repented (they were aware of God’s promise to Abraham and his descendants of the promise) they would have been able to live alongside with the Israelites. Sins of the Canaanites is the reason of God’s punishment against them, it was beyond salvation for them to save them lest they corrupt His people too.

          To say that the God of OT is different from God of NT not only amounts to poor theological understanding but you have to realise that the OT God showed mercy in the OT too. Book of Jonah records of God’s mercy to a gentile nation even if Jonah were a bit racist to them. Psalms affirms of God’s mercy and loving nature besides His Judgement and RIghteous side. The God of OT is the God of NT, remember Jesus dealt harshly even at the Pharisees for denouncing of their man-made traditions overtaking God’s commandments. Jesus had high regards for the OT and regards as “unbreakable”(john 10:35). God is both God of Justice and Love, to favour over one amounts to idolatry and blasphemy. Even Jesus made more comments on hell than heaven, is He now cruel? Are you to be called cruel because you told something uncomfotable but

          Some scholars consider forgeries for Josephus accounts? Are they the majority or the minority? If they reject something, it is because they don’t like the idea of Jesus existing in the flesh? Not like the mythical Jesus they like to see? Roman historians like Tacitus and Pliny the Younger mentioned Jesus too. Two generations isn’t even enough to wipe out true facts from a historical event. The Gospels are authentic and they are established as within the scope of Jesus’ death. Not to mention Paul’s letters may be earlier than the Gospels. Paul’s 1 Corinth. Chapter 15’s portion are dated as very authentic and noted for non-Pauline terms, meaning it is a very early tradition early Christians receive and some scholars, even Ehrman suggests Paul received this just within a year or even five years after Jesus’ death!

          Would miracles account as answer for your three questions? Of course, If you can’t accept it, it’s because of philosophical, not historical grounds you reject it. If some parts of the Bible are false, then you are no better than an atheist who thinks there is morality and right and wrong and yet accept evolution and its implications of its beliefs. You either take it all or leave it all. The Bible is not for man’s convenience, but God’s revelation of truth.

          “Virtous” atheists? Like what? Dawkins, Coyne, Dennett and Krauss- are they virtuous? Yet these men are far vehement to God than any other atheists. They are as hypocritical as a fire and brimstone preacher is. They can’t even stand that fellow atheist Nagel is challenging Darwinist conception of reality. All of us are hypocrites, religious or not. To stereotype one side is enough hypocrisy. Atheists are not invulnerable of being denounced as hypocrites.

          The problem with your God is, you are cherry picking the Bible, you choose what suits your taste and not what God’s Word dictates. You cannot take some parts of Scripture as true and others false, lest you come to the realisation if one is false, then all are false as well. This is the reason why some Christians like you unwittingly undermining Christianity- shaky stance on Scripture’s authority breeds heretics both Jesus, Paul and the Apostles would denounce. The Bible is not OT and NT- it’s both and both rely on each other to understand the other. Your God is not the God Jesus describes- it is an idol you made for yourself. I suggest that you may undertake of reading the Bible again and why both Testaments rely on each other to understand them fully.

          As CS Lewis puts it, ‘Christianity, if false, is of no importance and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.’.

          • phil

            1—Please accept that I comment with no intended offence, personal pronouns make for easy reading. In your opening sentences you state: “the Gospel is the truth and no other beliefs are” but claim that you are not “censoring out other views or beliefs”. This is a classical double-talk by believers when citing dogma.

            2—Invoking trials almost concedes the scientific method but yours cannot be proved by “scrutiny” and are therefore a sop to rationale. I applaud “…which belief may account best of explaining our world…” Clearly, the scientific method! I draw your attention to the alleged verbatim remarks (who recorded them?) of Jesus in Luke 24.44 …all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses…concerning me (arrogance?). As a Creationist you are safe with Jesus because, in addition to other beliefs, you literally believe in Genesis. I dismiss Moses’ Genesis as a metaphorical account and thus am doomed. Your colleague Dr Grady McMurtry claims that the universe is about 6000 years old and light sped 2 x 2¼ million times faster at some stage to get here to rationalise a Creationist absurdity.

            3—Your 3rd paragraph is a good example of believers’ confabulation (untruths from sincere people). YOU have a problem with “faith and reason” because faith is ‘evidence of things not seen’ and reason can be tested objectively. You present a revealing reversal of ‘seeing is believing’ to support ‘faith is not blind.’

            4—Another Christian bland statement with no rational substance in paragraph 4. It is absurd to believe that large numbers of Israelites spent forty years in the desert living on Manna before finding an exit. I like your tactical irrelevant diversion to Joshua 2:9-10. I dispute that Canaan was promised by God to the Israelites when Ps 25:12-13 says: …man…that feareth the Lord…His soul shall dwell at ease; and His seed shall inherit the earth; not Canaan. NB: God did not specify genocides.

            5—Keep in mind that I believe the OT God to be man-made by the Israelites. Deut. 9:4 reads like ‘don’t reproach Me’ and ‘what good boys are we?’ to receive plundered Canaan. Were the Israelites so generous that they could live along side of the conformed Canaanites? I am sure you know: 1 Chronicles 20:3 And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes. Even so dealt David with all the cities of the children of Ammon. And David and all the people returned
            to Jerusalem. Very generous indeed but then David had faith.

            6—God showed mercy e.g. to the Ammonites and Job? If
            He had a Righteous side then logically His other side was unrighteous. Christianity arose because it formed a breakaway sect fed up with the OT content; it was not
            respected by the Jews then and only by the Messianic ones now – the latter are hedging their bets. Pharisees having man-made traditions was consistent with having a man-made God. Incidentally, the Pentateuch Decalogue
            contained many ethical rules from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Exodus stated that the Israelites came out of Egypt.

            7—The factual point you ignored regarding my reference to Josephus was that he wrote a mere 125 words to sum up the life and times of Jesus, who had been seen by multitudes performing astounding miracles in a very select area. We know nothing about His physical appearance. ‘Philo (25BC to 41AD+) thus abandons entirely the Messianic promises; there is no national tradition to exclude the Gentile from Judaism,’ according to the Catholic Encyclopaedia. It looks as if the great I AM was not of the flesh.

            8—I asked you 3 questions and you have dodged them with a honest Christian answer, i.e. that they were miracles – the Christian trump card. Those who have no cogent argument immediately attempt to undermine the messenger; it is the way of the faithful and adversarial lawyers! I reject your miracles because they do not exist – they have nothing to do with my philosophy or historical knowledge. Why would God make a perfect universe and then throw in peculiars to satisfy insignificant OT/NT control-freaks?

            9—Jonas, you share a mistake with Prof Dawkins. I saw
            him in debate with a Chief Rabbi where he stated: The God of the OT is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty, ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. Why richly describe a non-entity or indeed write a tome about one? Dawkins is as fanatical about atheism as some faithful are about their faiths. If he wanted to be direct he should have told the Rabbi that it was the ancient Israelites who invented their God. He described mankind not God. Virtuous means ‘moral excellence’ not perfection so atheists, whom I do not loathe, can be virtuous even with atheistic morality.

            10—I understand your view point but I do not like Dictators, where is free will? Since I see that the Gods of the OT and NT are manufactured I do not need to cherry pick but readily acknowledge elements of wisdom within the Bible. You are right about tastes, my God permeates the 13.5 billion year old universe, which He made to nurture life and consciousness that must be ubiquitous. I have no qualms with how He converted dust into humanity, I surely cannot understand any of it; Dr Coyne does not know how life started, either. I do not believe that He would single out one gem from His mighty universe and then select a bunch of nomads to be His chosen people. We are all equal under His creation. I am not a deist but your Bible has separated more good people from God than it has converted because they interpreted it like Prof. Dawkins.

  • Patrick Tay

    The bible is not the WORD OF GOD. The WORD OF GOD is Jesus Christ.

    You are right. Read John 1:1 In the begining ………
    The SOn of God is the Word. There is no Jesus. Jesus was created in AD 325 by Emperor Constantine in Corroboration with the Roman Catholic Church. I want to believe that God created us and I cannot accept a God that Man created.

    AFter 60years of journeying and researching, my finding and conclusion is
    There is only one GOD.That is God the Father. Jesus, holy trinity was all made up by the Roman Catholic Church.

    I wish to see a Reformed Catholic Church who will worship God in spirit and in truth. That we shall all become righteous and become overcomers.

    • Saul Codison

      Made up by the catholic church? Jesus and the Holy Trinity was an original doctrine held by the Early Christians right after the founding of the movement. This would be news to some scholars and NT historians to say that Jesus Trinity was made up by the Catholic church, the Gospels were written well around the area of 30-33AD of the year Jesus died and possible before 75AD as well. Jesus was a real historical figure like Julius Caesar and Alexander the Great and secular sources mention his name from Josephus and to Tacitus. Jesus wasn’t deified by his followers, he was the one who made the claim first of being equal with the Father and the Messiah!

      Friend, it seems you have a misunderstanding of the Trinity. Trinity is three persons and one God- it does not mean three different Gods nor is it multiple personalities. It is three persons with complete different will and character yet the same God. Think of water existing in the liquid, vapour and the ice form. It’s like that.