Saturday AM Session Open Thread: The Philosophies of Men mingled with Conference

I personally think that the best way to watch General Conference is with good friends, good food, and good commentary.  Since we are low on good food and I do not have any friends (conference-watching, at least) in the area, I thought that maybe I could go for some good commentary at FPR with some of my ‘nacle friends.

I realize that other blogs are going to be doing this on a bigger and better scale. However, I am not trying to compete with anyone. This is about enjoying conference at home…at Faith-Promoting Rumor.

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  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Chris, I’ve always wanted to watch GC with you.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Hey, you better. See you in an hour and 20 minutes.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    My predictions: they will pretty much say the same thing they said last GC, and the GC before that, and the GC before that, and the GC before that, and the GC before that, and the GC before that…

    This will not be because the members haven’t been following adequately following their directives, but because of a lack of imagination (with perhaps the exception of Holland, who I don’t always agree with but at least appreciate for usually trying do give something new).

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Well narrator, I am hoping you are wrong. What fun would that be?

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    and thanks for hanging out.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Holland up front, nice.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I am not a big fan of the cultural celebrations. They seem a bit weird. However, temple dedications at a fun time.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Lisbon, Indianapolis, Philippines, Hartford, Tijuana.

    Cool.

    Thoughts?

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    the internet feed plays has audio for the choir, but not for the speakers. am i the only one with this problem?

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I am watching on cable. I looks like it is a common problem with others at BCC.

  • http://malleyalley.blogspot.com HeidiAnn

    No, you’re not the only one, wonder how long it’ll take somebody to figure it out/fix it.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    The audio-only is working.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I just did some Jedi gestures. Did that help?

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    the wmp feed works, but it’s not very clear. i’ll just do audio till they figure it out.

    i’m not sure how a true church can’t get this right.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Maybe I am more righteous and than is why I have cable with BYU-TV.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Oooh, Elder Holland.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    audio is working. my testimony is back.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I like that he thanked the membership for sustaining the brethen and the officers of the church.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I am glad. narrator and his need for signs.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    “This is about you.”

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Countering the cynical message which claims that it is about those at the top. YW leaders at camps is a great example.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    The praise of women for fulfilling the gender roles of making quilts and casseroles.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    The sisters that prepared the luncheon after my granpa’s funeral over a decade ago still stand out to me as Christ-like service at a time of morning.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Don’t screw with funeral potatoes.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Where do people even get those little suitcases?

    I like the reference to those who long care for disabled children.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I love the helpers, too. I wish that I was a better one.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    I should be fair. He is praising members for Christian living, which I would far rather hear than praising members for dutifully attending church meetings and temple rites.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I remember Pres. Faust choking up during that story. I fell in love with James E. Faust at that moment.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    #27: I appreciate that as well.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I think we can all have more appreciation for the sacrifices our parents make for us. I do now more than when I was younger.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    I feel like I need to call my parents after the session and give them some overdue thanks.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Extending praise outside of Mormonism. I love Holland.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Just wait till you speak in Conference. :)

  • http://www.libertypages.com/clarktech Clark

    Went to listen and it said my Flip2Mac was out of date. So I’m updating…

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Elder Holland, I thank you.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    How does Bushman deal with this story in RSR? I need to read it soon.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    I don’t recall exactly how Bushman handles it, but I think it probably has something to do with the over all theme (shared by Vogel’s bio) of Joseph’s relationship with his father.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    I really don’t have anything to say about this talk. Perhaps it’s cuz I don’t have kids. Or perhaps because it’s boring. Losing my testimony again.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    It might be your testimony. :)

  • http://themormonworker.wordpress.com J. Madson

    What is the point of the JS didnt drink story when he was child? Is it to discourage child hood drinking?

    Im pretty sure he drank later on in life, no?

  • http://www.keepapitchinin.org Ardis E. Parshall

    The Primary talk seems to be a little more solid than is sometimes the case, but since it’s so far outside my present life (it’s been months since I’ve even *seen* a child larger than an infant) it’s hard to get into.

    Leaves me more time to think about Elder Holland’s wonderful talk.

  • Jenni

    I thought it was weird that when her baby holds her finger she can tell that it is telling her that if she just held on that they would help her return to the lord. She must be a baby whisperer.

  • http://themormonworker.wordpress.com J. Madson

    Ive always liked Elder Costa, as an aside. I heard lots of folklore and legends about him in Brasil

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    If Lucy’s account is true, I think it had more to do with Joe Sr’s alcoholism than a childhood testimony of the WofW. And yes, Joseph loved the drink when he was older.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I actually think it is more about trusting in God. All he needed was his father. That type of thing. My second son once had to have blood taken. They normally restrain them. I told them that he would be calm if I held him. He was. It helped me have a more personal connection with that story.

  • Jenni

    I commented with my mom who is watching with me at my house. That I didn’t know why the kept telling that time when Joseph Smith refused the drink because I’ve heard many a drunk-Joseph story from President Jack Christensen.

  • Jenni

    So he’s basically reading an old conference talk.

  • http://themormonworker.wordpress.com J. Madson

    Chris H,

    I think thats a good message to take out of it. Ive just generally heard it used as anti-alcohol story; Even under severe pain Joseph wouldnt drink.

  • Jenni

    oh, I missed the second thing. What was that?

  • http://www.keepapitchinin.org Ardis E. Parshall

    My little brother once had to have his tongue sewed (he fell while climbing a chain link fence and hung himself by his tongue) and they couldn’t give anesthetic for some reason. He held perfectly still with his tongue stuck out as long as our dad would hold him. I know it was harder on Dad than on Bro.

    IOW, I think Chris’s #45 is spot on.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    J, I just do not think that it why the story was originally shared. Of course, we seem to make everything about the WofW sometimes. That is why we needed Elder Holland’s talk.

  • Jenni

    I love that they have protected themselves this way–The lord will never let the leader of this church lead you astray.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    One of my best friend likes to connect the idea that God will remove prophets who do not agree with God’s will. He said that is why President Joseph Fielding Smith and H B Lee lived so short in office.

  • http://themormonworker.wordpress.com J. Madson

    30 years later, still not a fan of Benson’s 14 fundamentals talk.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I just want to say that academic theology-types are not that bad. Was that an FPR reference?

  • http://themormonworker.wordpress.com J. Madson

    #51 chris

    agreed

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    the primary duty of the scriptural prophets is almost always to bring attention to the poor and oppressed. i doubt this will be one of the fundamentals.

  • Jenni

    loyd, you know that I caught that reinforcement of womanly roles in the church. This guy may be the first not to do it–only because he is talking about something that women have no part in.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    whatever happened to “a prophet is only a prophet when acting as such”?

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    do you know me Jenni? Or rather, do I know you?

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    narrator, biblical prophets were cool like that. I think they also did much to point to unrighteousness in general. However, the mistreatment of the poor and oppressed was the glearing sign of evil.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Time to grab a soda.

  • Jenni

    I like that “president” Benson liked to reiterate that the current prophet is more important than the past ones.

  • Jenni

    you know me–Jenni Campell–friend from philosphy and wife of friend John Christensen.

  • Jenni

    class?

  • Ah-Q

    I’m not currently listening in. Did Costa go through the 14 fundamentals, point-by-point?

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    I was wondering if that was you.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Ah-Q, yes.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    I tend to learn in Sunday School by negation.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    My favorite teacher with Luke Garrott. Political Science. University of Utah. He loved the subject and showed interest in his students.

  • Jenni

    oh, rowdy boys, being able to be taught–miracles do happen.

  • http://www.keepapitchinin.org Ardis E. Parshall

    You seem to do everything in negatives, Loyd.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Elder Seventy, quoting Holland, quoting Packer….

  • http://themormonworker.wordpress.com J. Madson

    narrator

    I like Wendell Berry’s comment on prophets

    “If change is to come… it will have to come from the outside. It will have to come from the margins… this sort of change is a dominant theme of our tradition, whose “central figures” have often worked their way inward from the margins. It was the desert, not the temple, that gave us the prophets.”

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Ardis, why still hate me? Can’t we be (facebook) friends again?

  • Mark N.

    Did I hear that right? He’s telling a story about the time another GA heard another GA tell a story?

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Emerged ourselves in the scriptures! We too often ignore them in Sunday School. We totally ignored Amos, but instead talked about modern day prophets. Give me scripture!

  • Ah-Q

    Yeesh, that’s an unfortunate talk to resurrect.

  • http://www.keepapitchinin.org Ardis E. Parshall

    Try going the rest of this first session with a little good cheer and a lot less cynicism, Loyd. Betcha can’t do it.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Go the Scriptures! I like it because we need to seach and ponder rather than always waiting for a letter from the First Presidency. We have the tools.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    GC speakers don’t seem to like the economy of heaven. Otherwise they wouldn’t be repeating themselves over and over again.

  • http://www.keepapitchinin.org Ardis E. Parshall

    Yes, Chris, scripture! I alternate with a man who never uses scripture, at all. He says it is more important to talk about doctrine than scripture. Really. My best classes are always ones where we go through the scriptures themselves, even if it’s only a few verses and tends toward the superficial. (I’m not sure where he thinks we get doctrine from.)

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Ardis, I concur. I think if our GD classes kept to the scriptures, we would get far more out of them. It’s just too bad that the GP manuals usually don’t stay too close to the scriptures.

  • Jenni

    what ever happened to the worlds fair?

  • Ah-Q

    Jenni–

    A World Expo is currently being held in Shanghai. I think it’s basically the same thing as the World’s Fair.

  • Jenni

    NICE

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Law of Consecration: Application of celestial law to the “here and now.”

  • Jenni

    shout out for law of consecration in an earthly life

  • Ah-Q

    I wish we could just look stuff up in the Handbook, too.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I have been reading a lot about Lowell Bennion lately. Wow, what a consecrated life.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Ah-Q,

    It only requires basic google skills.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator
  • Jenni

    Life of labor AND rest

  • Ah-Q

    Chris–Good point. I wish we could look stuff up in the Handbook by going to LDS.org rather than, say, Wikileaks

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    It is not very intereresting.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    i wonder if a consecrated life will be described as including economic consecration.

  • http://themormonworker.wordpress.com J. Madson

    Isnt the “economy of heaven” capitalism? or so I heard

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    A kind word for leisure. I am good at that. I like how Elder Christofferson’s talk goes well with Elder Holland’s talk.

  • Jenni

    whoa, assume much

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    assume what?

  • Jenni

    evolutionary theory = disregard for the body

  • http://themormonworker.wordpress.com J. Madson

    My father just texted me

    President Kimball was bothered by Pres. Benson’s “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet” talk given at BYU in that espoused an “unthinking follow the leader” mentality. Pres. Kimball required that he apologize for parts of that talk to the Q12 and then seeing it was not a sufficient apology he was a week later required to apologize to the rest of the General Authorities. Camilla described her husband’s “displeasure with the speech.”

  • Jenni

    And feet were real gross back then

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    atheists have no ethics of the body?

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Ok. I think that an evolutionary approach to life and humanity is the problem. Social Darwinism and not biology is the problem which he is really addressing.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    the temples i go to are filled with paintings and chandeliers…. if my temple is a body should i also decorate it and hang objects from it?

  • http://themormonworker.wordpress.com J. Madson

    Pretty good talk overall though, consecration is always a good topic

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    narrator: your temple needs a haircut.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I am writing my dissertation on Ezra T. Benson. It is helping me appreciate Spencer W. Kimball.

  • Jenni

    What about just being accountable to each other?

  • http://themormonworker.wordpress.com J. Madson

    Chris,

    really? I didnt take you for a masochist. I guess he is the most relevant figure if you want to understand the modern western mormon political mind

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    J,

    I think it is also helping me appreciate his human side.

  • Jenni

    Hey, if the SLC temple gets a “face-lift” I guess that’s our answer to the “plastic surgery” argument.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    The vilification of non-theists bothers me.

  • http://themormonworker.wordpress.com J. Madson

    as opposed to his reptilian V side? I kid. seriously I kid. His talk on pride, I mean his daughters, was one of my fav talks as well as his I testify. Although Im not sure we would agree on who the secret combinations are.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator
  • Jenni

    no tattoos, but re-constructive surgery is just fine.

  • http://www.keepapitchinin.org Ardis E. Parshall

    Oh, fer cryin’ out loud, Loyd! He isn’t vilifying non-theists; he’s acknowledging that because we know our real origins and real destinies, we understand more than those who don’t have that knowledge.

    You need to watch conference with a seven-year-old believer at your side to explain the hard parts.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    “no tattoos, but re-constructive surgery is just fine.”

    Well, in principle they are the same problem. We should not need the leaders to spell out every detail.

  • Jenni

    Narrator,

    I think that when your whole life is lived as a tribute to god as being the cause and the reason, then you can’t understand that someone without god could have anything worth meaning in their life.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    President U!

  • Jenni

    Narrator,

    how much are we able to pay on our body’s remodel?

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Nature and scientists! He has been reading Steve Peck.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Ardis, this isn’t the first time that Christopherson has claimed that atheists can’t have morals.

  • http://www.keepapitchinin.org Ardis E. Parshall

    And you’re grossly overstating the case, Jenni. I think that when your whole life is lived in cynicism and unbelief, you can’t understand that someone WITH God has something more than someone without God.

  • Jenni

    My mom says he’s be best looking apostle since David O Makay

  • http://www.keepapitchinin.org Ardis E. Parshall

    Sorry, Chris. I tried. This isn’t the kind of company I want to watch conference with. Bye.

  • Jenni

    McKay

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    or maybe I should leave…

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Ardis: Love ya.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Elder U. is soooo freaking handsome.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I lean heavily towards the secular. Atheists bug me as much as fundamentalists. Back to man crushing on Pres. U.

  • http://themormonworker.wordpress.com J. Madson

    atheists often are fundamentalists. Im wary of dogmatic certainty wherever it comes from

  • Jenni

    I agree that the better should be prioritized above the good, I don’t know that it should always be with that single purpose in mind.

  • http://themormonworker.wordpress.com J. Madson

    yeah Elder U is by far my favorite speaker for a number of conferences now.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    My father-in-law was called as an early morning seminary teacher, but was not released from his calling as Stake clerk. He works 60 hours a week as an electrician for AT&T and is on call most other hours of the day. My wife is worried that his schedule is going to kill him. Mother-in-law is angry that Stake pres hasn’t released him from stake calling. FiL dutifully does it all.

  • Jenni

    I like the fundamentalist message of this talk

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Nice recovery on his part.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    I love Elder U.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I like fundamentalism is the sense of appreciating simple and beautiful principles.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    …and that is not just because he has a great tan, beautiful hair, a ripped body, and the sexiest jaw-line that God could have created.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    fundamentals are tied to relationships. nice.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    He seems to regularly make ethics of care-type arguments. I like this.

  • http://themormonworker.wordpress.com J. Madson

    alrighty im convinced gonna go spend some love/time outside with the family

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    “Some people cannot get along with themselves.” My wife has been telling me to stop putting myself down in public. She is wise….and she loves me a lot.

  • Jenni

    Excellent talk U.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    So, should we do this again?

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    time for Half-Life. See you again in two hours, right?

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    We will take another shot, I guess. Thanks all. I hope that Ardis will come back

  • Jared T.

    Oh, it’s GC today, huh? I guess being out in the mission field really does screw with your spirituality…

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    There is another session at 2pm.

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