Saturday PM Session Open Thread: Did the people blog about King Benjamin's address?

Please keep it friendly.

Here is my introduction from this morning’s session:

I personally think that the best way to watch General Conference is with good friends, good food, and good commentary.  Since we are low on good food and I do not have any friends (conference-watching, at least) in the area, I thought that maybe I could go for some good commentary at FPR with some of my ‘nacle friends.

I realize that other blogs are going to be doing this on a bigger and better scale. However, I am not trying to compete with anyone. This is about enjoying conference at home…at Faith-Promoting Rumor.

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  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    Let us get it started

  • http://www.lifeongoldplates.com/ BHodges

    Great, now I’ll have the Black Eyed Peas song stuck in my head for this session.

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    Your welcome

  • http://www.lifeongoldplates.com/ BHodges

    My welcome what?

    haha i had to

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    If it was really the BEP’s, I would enjoy it.

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    Ya, I thought about making a comment correcting my other comment, but then decided only a petty, petty person would stoop so low as to make fun of it. Someone as petty as me.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    My favorite part of the sustaining of offers is seeing whether I recognize any of the new people.

  • http://www.lifeongoldplates.com/ BHodges

    well played sc, well played

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    I’m actually surprised at how often I do recognize the names. I probably shouldn’t be given the number of quorums of 70 that now exist. Maybe they should start reading the names of the men who aren’t in one or another of the quorums.

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    By the way, I’m watching this on the internet so I’m probably way behind

  • http://www.keepapitchinin.org Ardis E. Parshall

    My favorite part of many parts of conference is imagining how they will look as Wordles on Keepa’s traditional Conference Wordle puzzle in a week or so. This song, for instance, would have a huge ZION in the center, a good-sized Beautiful running parallel to it, and a scattering of other words around it.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    My brain is slower, it will even out.

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    where are Holland and Nelson?

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Those are some big names now emeritus. Elder Hafen, Wickman, and Pace stand out.

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    Pace is a great guy. I met with him a couple of times in his office. Very generous man.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Geneva (age 5) and I manifested in the affirmative all across the board.

  • http://www.keepapitchinin.org Ardis E. Parshall

    Those elders are probably across the street in the Tabernacle — they usually assign a couple to preside there for overflow sessions.

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    I wondered about that Ardis. Wasn’t sure if they did that or not.

  • http://bycommonconsent.com Tracy M

    Jeffrey (age 9) just asked if anyone has EVER opposed. How ’bout it, historians?

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    “Free” agency–how I miss thee. Oh, and “pre-existence” was well.

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    as well

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    Oppositional votes used to happen in the 19th century. In the 1970s protesters sometimes got in and voted no, iirc

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Tracy: In general conference? I am not sure. I have seen it three times on the ward or stake level.

  • http://www.keepapitchinin.org Ardis E. Parshall

    19 — Yes, Tracy, sometimes vocally, and sometimes with great (but failed) attempts to disrupt the meeting. Happened a few years ago, within my memory. Can’t remember what their beef was, but they didn’t make it on camera. There was a slight pause by the elder at the podium, but no other sign at home that anything was happening.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    from Webster’s 1828 dictionary:

    A’GENCY, n. [L. agens. See Act.]

    1. The quality of moving or of exerting power; the state of being in action; action; operation; instrumentality; as, the agency of providence in the natural world.

    2. The office of an agent, or factor; business of an agent entrusted with the concerns of another; as, the principal pays the charges of agency.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Most vote with their feet.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    if no dictionaries have the defintion of a word that you want, perhaps the word is being used incorrectly.

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    I guess he didn’t have an old enough dictionary

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    my last mission companion used to go paint-balling with Elder Hales.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I am not much for dictionary definitions. It should be at least article length.

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    Dude, how old was missionary companion?

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    his best friend was Hales’s grandson.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I do not think that secularlism denies god. Nit-picking.

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    I always find it strange the way we talk so blithely about these horrifically violent Hebrew Bible stories

  • Bdavis

    As for the definition of agency, the Church’s use of it more follows the philosophical defintion of it. And to be more specific, moral agency.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agency_(philosophy)

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    avoid debt so we can help others. nice.

  • J. Madson

    Saul gets a bum rap

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Chris, i don’t consider it nit-picking. I think it’s a myth that needs to die. I consider many of my atheist friends to be far more moral than many of my Mormon friends. I get tired of people implying (or directly saying) that non-theists have no morals.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Bdavis,

    The definition mirrors the philosophical use of the term agency, but we often dance around it.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Did Joseph have the philosophical definition of agency when writing/translating the Book of Moses?

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    narrator, I do not think he was addressing the moral aspect. I view secular as a little different than the theist vs. atheist dichotomy.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Websites that destroy the home….is he talking about porn or Mormon Matters?

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I share his optimism? Many are open to values. I am not sure if it is limited to those of faith.

  • J. Madson

    I can’t wait for the talk where they discuss exactly how they rejected Jesus. I think Mormon said it was wars of aggrssion

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    human-traficking….have not heard much about that in conference.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    #41, I could be wrong but I believe that he said that secularists and those who deny God’s existence believe that there is no sin.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I have much to disagree with here. I think I will hold off, though, until later.

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    Amen to that Chris

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    Ya, because the Jews invented honesty. Ugh.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Can he name a political leader who says that there should be no moral goals?

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    ….trying to avoid ripping my hair out….

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    Ok, allow me to simply state what bothers me about this. “Public Morality” can be drawn from a variety of sources, not simply (or even primarily) religious ones. Not trying to be snarky at all.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    The guy didn’t know that stealing was wrong until he converted to Mormonism? I think the guy has some serious problems.

  • J. Madson

    This is pretty bad. But you got to admire trying to paint Mormons as persecuted abolitionists

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I actually think that he made a strong argument. It was thoughtful and draws on people who I really respect, I just disagree. Ralph Hancock will love it.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Religion is an example of treating all people equal????? Has he read any history books lately?

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    My internet is slow, so i’m running far behind.

  • Sanford

    President Uchdorf was as good as Cook was bad. The difference in tone and content was stark. It was almost as though they got together in advance and decided to do a good cop bad cop routine.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Why isn’t he providing examples of “faith-based values” that were used to support oppression, racism, and sexism?

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I like Bishop Edgeley’s talk. I wonder if he also watched Nanny McPhee.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    narrator, it should be noted that faith-based efforts have been valiant in opposing those things.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    I want to see a literal mountain removed. That would be cool.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    It is amazing that faith can be so simple and so powerful at the same time.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    narrator and his signs again. :)

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    Bp. E has a very distinctive voice

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Let us choose faith. Amen.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Did going “live” on my feed skip that much of the last talk, or was it just that short?

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    It was a bit shorter.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Chris, I’m expecting a post from you about why you thought Cook made a good argument.

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    Hardships–yes. Untold? Not so much.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    narrator, no, I will likely write a post about why I disagree.

  • Bdavis

    #70, Untold doesn’t always mean, that the action hasn’t been told.

    un·told   /ʌnˈtoʊld/ Show Spelled
    [uhn-tohld] Show IPA

    –adjective
    1. not told; not related; not revealed: untold thoughts.
    2. not numbered or enumerated; uncounted: She used untold sheets of paper in writing the book.
    3. inexpressible; incalculable: untold suffering.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    theorist and philosphers do not write self-help.

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    #72–Ya. It was sort of a joke.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    oh great. the 14 fundamentals again….

  • http://www.juvenileinstructor.org SC Taysom

    Seriously? I thought this 14 fundamentals thing was torpedoed long ago.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    “The living prophet is more important than the scriptures.” A repeat of the 14 points of ETB.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Apparently, it is useful again.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    I don’t think that most Mormons realize that, in the scriptures, the “prophet” is rarely a leader in the “church” hierarchy.

  • http://kolobiv.blogspot.com BiV

    If I had 15 min to speak, I think I wouldn’t waste 14 of them quoting someone else…

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Poor Samuel the Lamanite would have been arrowed to death by today’s Mormons.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    That is why they would only give you 5 minutes.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I love to see the temple.

  • http://kolobiv.blogspot.com BiV

    that reminds me, I’ve been looking for a blackberry buddy to msg in SM — anyone have church at 9am EST?

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    I’m wagering $50 that next week someone in church will say that the double use of ETB’s 14 fundamentals is evidence that we need to be subscribing to them even stronger.

  • Jenni

    my mom was using my computer, but there was A LOT to say about those first three talks, particularly cooks.

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Jenni, if you can’t say anything nice you shouldn’t say anything at all.

  • Jenni

    oh, and the 14 fundamentals repeat–1) embarrassing 2) ridiculous

  • Jenni

    narrator, I don’t have faith in that saying

  • Bdavis

    Jenni, Perhaps you should watch/listen to Bishop Edgley’s talk then.

  • Jenni

    Anderson, good guy, but he speaks like he is a bad actor trying to use inflection and facial expression but doing is at the wrong moments.

  • Sanford

    Brother Gong did a nice job of sharing his beliefs without having to disparage those who don’t share them. I wish more conference speakers took that approach.

  • Jenni

    without faith we don’t learn from our experiences?

  • Bdavis

    #93 I’m assuming that was in reference to #90. If so, #90 was a sarcastic response since Edgley’s talk was in regard to faith.

  • Jenni

    #94 No, it was in response to what Anderson was saying at the moment

  • Jenni

    arg

  • http://www.millennialstar.org Ben Pratt

    I told my daughters that I thought it was cool that Elder Anderson mentioned two of their g-g-g-grandfathers in his talk, but 35th generation? Elder Gong FTW!

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Ben, I expect you to get caught up on your family history.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    I like this emphasis on character and faith. I think both are needed. Plus discussions about character get me thinking about Aristotle.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    Elder Scott falls in the category of people who I just really like.

  • http://juvenileinstructor.org Jared T.

    Anyone know if priesthood session will be broadcast online live or if there will be a few days lag?

  • Bdavis

    #101, I’ve never heard of it live, only few days lag unless you’re at a stake center.

  • http://www.faithpromotingrumor.com Chris H.

    It will not be live and I am not sure how long it take to go up. How far are you from the El Paso Stake Center?

  • http://loydo38.blogspot.com the narrator

    Elder Scott came to my mission to meet with missionaries, but I was on another island and didn’t see him. I later asked one of my companions what he though about him. The only thing he could say was that “his hands were squishy.”

  • http://juvenileinstructor.org Jared T.

    #103-Probably closer than almost anyone else in the stake…I was just wondering if what was good for the gander was good for the goose.

    I really like Elder Scott. I talked to him for just a bit during one Mission presidents’ seminar at the MTC. Later when my inlaws were set apart as MPs, we went to E. Scott’s office for it. He’s a lot shorter and stouter in person than you’d imagine.

  • http://juvenileinstructor.org Jared T.

    So, will there be liveblogging of the priesthood session via smartphone?

  • Ben

    There’s liveblogging of Priesthood at Patheos via CoverItLive.
    http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/LDS-General-Conference-Cover-It-Live.html


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