Saturday PM Session Open Thread: Did the people blog about King Benjamin's address?

Please keep it friendly.

Here is my introduction from this morning’s session:

I personally think that the best way to watch General Conference is with good friends, good food, and good commentary.  Since we are low on good food and I do not have any friends (conference-watching, at least) in the area, I thought that maybe I could go for some good commentary at FPR with some of my ‘nacle friends.

I realize that other blogs are going to be doing this on a bigger and better scale. However, I am not trying to compete with anyone. This is about enjoying conference at home…at Faith-Promoting Rumor.

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  • Let us get it started

  • Great, now I’ll have the Black Eyed Peas song stuck in my head for this session.

  • Your welcome

  • My welcome what?

    haha i had to

  • If it was really the BEP’s, I would enjoy it.

  • Ya, I thought about making a comment correcting my other comment, but then decided only a petty, petty person would stoop so low as to make fun of it. Someone as petty as me.

  • My favorite part of the sustaining of offers is seeing whether I recognize any of the new people.

  • well played sc, well played

  • I’m actually surprised at how often I do recognize the names. I probably shouldn’t be given the number of quorums of 70 that now exist. Maybe they should start reading the names of the men who aren’t in one or another of the quorums.

  • By the way, I’m watching this on the internet so I’m probably way behind

  • My favorite part of many parts of conference is imagining how they will look as Wordles on Keepa’s traditional Conference Wordle puzzle in a week or so. This song, for instance, would have a huge ZION in the center, a good-sized Beautiful running parallel to it, and a scattering of other words around it.

  • My brain is slower, it will even out.

  • where are Holland and Nelson?

  • Those are some big names now emeritus. Elder Hafen, Wickman, and Pace stand out.

  • Pace is a great guy. I met with him a couple of times in his office. Very generous man.

  • Geneva (age 5) and I manifested in the affirmative all across the board.

  • Those elders are probably across the street in the Tabernacle — they usually assign a couple to preside there for overflow sessions.

  • I wondered about that Ardis. Wasn’t sure if they did that or not.

  • Jeffrey (age 9) just asked if anyone has EVER opposed. How ’bout it, historians?

  • “Free” agency–how I miss thee. Oh, and “pre-existence” was well.

  • as well

  • Oppositional votes used to happen in the 19th century. In the 1970s protesters sometimes got in and voted no, iirc

  • Tracy: In general conference? I am not sure. I have seen it three times on the ward or stake level.

  • 19 — Yes, Tracy, sometimes vocally, and sometimes with great (but failed) attempts to disrupt the meeting. Happened a few years ago, within my memory. Can’t remember what their beef was, but they didn’t make it on camera. There was a slight pause by the elder at the podium, but no other sign at home that anything was happening.

  • from Webster’s 1828 dictionary:

    A’GENCY, n. [L. agens. See Act.]

    1. The quality of moving or of exerting power; the state of being in action; action; operation; instrumentality; as, the agency of providence in the natural world.

    2. The office of an agent, or factor; business of an agent entrusted with the concerns of another; as, the principal pays the charges of agency.

  • Most vote with their feet.

  • if no dictionaries have the defintion of a word that you want, perhaps the word is being used incorrectly.

  • I guess he didn’t have an old enough dictionary

  • my last mission companion used to go paint-balling with Elder Hales.

  • I am not much for dictionary definitions. It should be at least article length.

  • Dude, how old was missionary companion?

  • his best friend was Hales’s grandson.

  • I do not think that secularlism denies god. Nit-picking.

  • I always find it strange the way we talk so blithely about these horrifically violent Hebrew Bible stories

  • Bdavis

    As for the definition of agency, the Church’s use of it more follows the philosophical defintion of it. And to be more specific, moral agency.

  • avoid debt so we can help others. nice.

  • J. Madson

    Saul gets a bum rap

  • Chris, i don’t consider it nit-picking. I think it’s a myth that needs to die. I consider many of my atheist friends to be far more moral than many of my Mormon friends. I get tired of people implying (or directly saying) that non-theists have no morals.

  • Bdavis,

    The definition mirrors the philosophical use of the term agency, but we often dance around it.

  • Did Joseph have the philosophical definition of agency when writing/translating the Book of Moses?

  • narrator, I do not think he was addressing the moral aspect. I view secular as a little different than the theist vs. atheist dichotomy.

  • Websites that destroy the home….is he talking about porn or Mormon Matters?

  • I share his optimism? Many are open to values. I am not sure if it is limited to those of faith.

  • J. Madson

    I can’t wait for the talk where they discuss exactly how they rejected Jesus. I think Mormon said it was wars of aggrssion

  • human-traficking….have not heard much about that in conference.

  • #41, I could be wrong but I believe that he said that secularists and those who deny God’s existence believe that there is no sin.

  • I have much to disagree with here. I think I will hold off, though, until later.

  • Amen to that Chris

  • Ya, because the Jews invented honesty. Ugh.

  • Can he name a political leader who says that there should be no moral goals?

  • ….trying to avoid ripping my hair out….

  • Ok, allow me to simply state what bothers me about this. “Public Morality” can be drawn from a variety of sources, not simply (or even primarily) religious ones. Not trying to be snarky at all.

  • The guy didn’t know that stealing was wrong until he converted to Mormonism? I think the guy has some serious problems.

  • J. Madson

    This is pretty bad. But you got to admire trying to paint Mormons as persecuted abolitionists

  • I actually think that he made a strong argument. It was thoughtful and draws on people who I really respect, I just disagree. Ralph Hancock will love it.

  • Religion is an example of treating all people equal????? Has he read any history books lately?

  • My internet is slow, so i’m running far behind.

  • Sanford

    President Uchdorf was as good as Cook was bad. The difference in tone and content was stark. It was almost as though they got together in advance and decided to do a good cop bad cop routine.

  • Why isn’t he providing examples of “faith-based values” that were used to support oppression, racism, and sexism?

  • I like Bishop Edgeley’s talk. I wonder if he also watched Nanny McPhee.

  • narrator, it should be noted that faith-based efforts have been valiant in opposing those things.

  • I want to see a literal mountain removed. That would be cool.

  • It is amazing that faith can be so simple and so powerful at the same time.

  • narrator and his signs again. 🙂

  • Bp. E has a very distinctive voice

  • Let us choose faith. Amen.

  • Did going “live” on my feed skip that much of the last talk, or was it just that short?

  • It was a bit shorter.

  • Chris, I’m expecting a post from you about why you thought Cook made a good argument.

  • Hardships–yes. Untold? Not so much.

  • narrator, no, I will likely write a post about why I disagree.

  • Bdavis

    #70, Untold doesn’t always mean, that the action hasn’t been told.

    un·told   /ʌnˈtoʊld/ Show Spelled
    [uhn-tohld] Show IPA

    1. not told; not related; not revealed: untold thoughts.
    2. not numbered or enumerated; uncounted: She used untold sheets of paper in writing the book.
    3. inexpressible; incalculable: untold suffering.

  • theorist and philosphers do not write self-help.

  • #72–Ya. It was sort of a joke.

  • oh great. the 14 fundamentals again….

  • Seriously? I thought this 14 fundamentals thing was torpedoed long ago.

  • “The living prophet is more important than the scriptures.” A repeat of the 14 points of ETB.

  • Apparently, it is useful again.

  • I don’t think that most Mormons realize that, in the scriptures, the “prophet” is rarely a leader in the “church” hierarchy.

  • BiV

    If I had 15 min to speak, I think I wouldn’t waste 14 of them quoting someone else…

  • Poor Samuel the Lamanite would have been arrowed to death by today’s Mormons.

  • That is why they would only give you 5 minutes.

  • I love to see the temple.

  • BiV

    that reminds me, I’ve been looking for a blackberry buddy to msg in SM — anyone have church at 9am EST?

  • I’m wagering $50 that next week someone in church will say that the double use of ETB’s 14 fundamentals is evidence that we need to be subscribing to them even stronger.

  • Jenni

    my mom was using my computer, but there was A LOT to say about those first three talks, particularly cooks.

  • Jenni, if you can’t say anything nice you shouldn’t say anything at all.

  • Jenni

    oh, and the 14 fundamentals repeat–1) embarrassing 2) ridiculous

  • Jenni

    narrator, I don’t have faith in that saying

  • Bdavis

    Jenni, Perhaps you should watch/listen to Bishop Edgley’s talk then.

  • Jenni

    Anderson, good guy, but he speaks like he is a bad actor trying to use inflection and facial expression but doing is at the wrong moments.

  • Sanford

    Brother Gong did a nice job of sharing his beliefs without having to disparage those who don’t share them. I wish more conference speakers took that approach.

  • Jenni

    without faith we don’t learn from our experiences?

  • Bdavis

    #93 I’m assuming that was in reference to #90. If so, #90 was a sarcastic response since Edgley’s talk was in regard to faith.

  • Jenni

    #94 No, it was in response to what Anderson was saying at the moment

  • Jenni


  • I told my daughters that I thought it was cool that Elder Anderson mentioned two of their g-g-g-grandfathers in his talk, but 35th generation? Elder Gong FTW!

  • Ben, I expect you to get caught up on your family history.

  • I like this emphasis on character and faith. I think both are needed. Plus discussions about character get me thinking about Aristotle.

  • Elder Scott falls in the category of people who I just really like.

  • Anyone know if priesthood session will be broadcast online live or if there will be a few days lag?

  • Bdavis

    #101, I’ve never heard of it live, only few days lag unless you’re at a stake center.

  • It will not be live and I am not sure how long it take to go up. How far are you from the El Paso Stake Center?

  • Elder Scott came to my mission to meet with missionaries, but I was on another island and didn’t see him. I later asked one of my companions what he though about him. The only thing he could say was that “his hands were squishy.”

  • #103-Probably closer than almost anyone else in the stake…I was just wondering if what was good for the gander was good for the goose.

    I really like Elder Scott. I talked to him for just a bit during one Mission presidents’ seminar at the MTC. Later when my inlaws were set apart as MPs, we went to E. Scott’s office for it. He’s a lot shorter and stouter in person than you’d imagine.

  • So, will there be liveblogging of the priesthood session via smartphone?

  • Ben

    There’s liveblogging of Priesthood at Patheos via CoverItLive.