Saturday PM Conference Open Thread: Democrat Edition

Just kidding! It is a non-partisan thread, but my co-host for this session is Dan. He is also known as Dan the Good Democrat. We have partnered in many battles on the bloggernacle. With degrees in political science and library science, Dan focuses most off his energy on being a kick-butt dad.

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  • Dan

    haha, thanks for that intro Chris. Speaking of kick-butt dad, I’ll post on facebook pictures of us out kicking the soccer ball during the break. Mighty windy out there still, but getting warmer.

  • brandt

    BYU-Idaho choir? I am now riveted and at full attention.

  • It is windy here, too. Of course, it is always windy in Casper.

  • Randall Kempton, one of the choir directors, was in my ward in Rexburg. Great guy.

  • brandt, I do not recognize too many students in the choir. You?

  • brandt

    It’s been 2 yrs since I’ve graduated, so nobody looks familiar. As a matter of fact, they all look either really old, or really young.

    Then again, if they got them from the BYU-I music classes, I wouldn’t have known them. I spent either all my time in the Smith Building or over in the library working.

  • Dan

    I think that’s the first time I heard Boyd Kenneth Packard…

  • Manifested.

  • brandt

    Pres. Uchtdorf is getting those rolling “R’s” down really well. He puts the passion into it!

  • A lot of releases.

  • Many of them called to the 1st and 2nd Quorums.

  • I always like to see if I recognize any names. None this time.

  • brandt

    Random thought – I know it’s happened in the early Utah period, but would there ever be a time in the correlated era of the church that the voting WOULDN’T be unanimous?

  • Not that I know of. Even less likely now since most conference tickets are acquired through wards and stakes.

  • Dan


    maybe not in the building. membership being voluntary, if one would have a problem with the church, or with a person, they’d generally just not show up.

  • Dan

    ah, Boyd K Packer…

  • brandt

    I want to say I heard some “dissension” after the priesthood ban was lifted, but that’s the last I can remember.

  • I am predicting a more mellow talk from Pres. Packer.

  • Bradly Baird

    hey – my former voice teacher, eda ashby, is up there conducting the choir.

  • Elder Packer on the KJV — tailor-made for FPR commentary.

  • Dan

    Call the church in the name of Jesus.

  • Dan

    quite another for us to call ourselves Mormons…

  • Dave, that is totally true…though I am the perma least qualified to address the KJV.

  • We seem to go back and forth of the use of Mormons.

  • brandt

    Kinda feeling guilty now that I use the word “Mormon” to describe the church to co-workers…. :-/

  • Jesus Christ is our candy word for the session. The full name of the Church is working well for them.

  • Bradly Baird

    I have always dislike that moniker, “The Mormons.” Doesn’t conevy ANYTHING about what we are.

  • brandt

    What does this talk mean for all those “I’m a Mormon” ads the church was doing a while ago?

  • Dan

    not a while ago. Very very recently

  • Sheldon L

    Good call, Brandt. I wonder if this is just Packer’s pet topic or if they plan on changing that whole campaign. I think it’s futile resisting the Mormon nickname.

  • Dan

    It seems President Packer is running through the whole gamut, covering all topics.

  • Dan

    The husband is the head of the home, the wife is the heart….does that mean that the wife doesn’t have brains, and that the husband doesn’t have a heart?

  • I think the word Mormon associates me with of the Book of Mormon…one of the things I love most about our religion.

  • Dan

    I don’t see a problem being associated with Mormon. He’s a good prophet, taught well of Jesus, compiled a most awesome account of Jesus’ teachings, and it differentiates us from other Christians.

  • Dan

    It is ironic that President Packer is talking about “leave it alone,” but he doesn’t seem to leave certain topics alone…

  • “They never leave it alone…”

    I know some people who love that one.

    It is a pretty simple talk.

  • Cute grandkids.

  • brandt

    Nice TV. I bet you that’s full 1080i! Could you imagine if the church put out General Conference in 3D? I’d feel guilty about falling asleep if that were the case…

  • Dan

    combat fears with faith

  • This is my first conference on flat screen. S I felt a connection.

  • Cafeteria approach to obedience…hmmm this reminds me of something.

  • Dan

    the cafeteria approach to obedience, the practice of picking and choosing.

  • brandt

    Being here in Michigan, without Dish/DirectTV (Comcast doesn’t have BYU TV), we’ve got our desktop computer hooked up to the flat scren, and the stream is coming through in at least 720p, if not full 1080. Much better than the old dial-up days of just listening to the audio. Man, that was so 10 years ago!

  • Don’t be a cafeteria Mormon, er, cafeteria member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

  • Dave, that just doesn’t have the same ring to it, 🙂

  • Dan

    why do we need such resilient faith? Because difficult days are ahead.

  • I’m back! What have I missed?

  • Dan

    not much

  • brandt

    not much, narrator. Just don’t call yourself a “Mormon,” and you should be all set. 😉

  • Dan

    yeah, you’re Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

  • FYI. Hunter’s apostolic charge included one of secrecy. In McKay’s words this charge was so important that the quorum “is in the true sense masonic.”

  • what? are we getting rid of

  • Dan

    Dalin H Oaks….what’s the guess that he talks about freedom of religion?

  • Bradly Baird

    Nelson’s talk was quite beautiful.

  • #53 I really hope not

  • narrator,

    You will want to check out Pres. Eyring’s talk at the end of the morning session.

  • Dan

    selfishness, greed, pornography: Satan’s tools to destroy families.

  • Satan sure has some yucky tools.

  • Bradly Baird

    Yeah, but to those who suffer from the adverse affects of the tools, they seem wonderful.

  • brandt

    I’m trying to figure out the over-under on the word “pornography” for Priesthood session tonight. I think I’m putting it at 9. Too high?

  • Dan

    indeed they are yucky. Those are generally the main reasons for divorce: sex, money, selfishness.

  • Bradly, not for long.

    brandt, i would say 9 is too high.

  • Dan

    it depends on who talks on it, brandt. it seems that pornography has become a standard “enemy” to family, and thus will be mentioned by almost every speaker here and there, mostly in passing, like in the current talk.

  • Dan

    this was a good talk.

  • I’m interested in where this is going…

  • Speaking of Priesthood session. I do not think we will have a thread here for that one.

  • … just lost my interest.

  • Bradly Baird

    boy, lots of basics today.

  • #66 I’ll be live tweeting it.

  • I would like hearing from the President of UVU or the U. of U. as well.

  • Scw

    Those guys aren’t 70s, yet at least in the case of young Holland

  • Bradly Baird

    Ive heard the pres of UofU speak many times. He is very ga-like in his approach.

  • Dan

    He’s covering the traditional aspects of how to gain a testimony: prayer, living the principles, planting the seed, bearing a testimony, and so on.

  • I like Matt Holland. Many were worried when he became pres of UVU–cuz face it, he got the job because of his daddy–but he has won over most in the liberal arts there.

  • doctrine!

  • Scw, I was kidding. Bradly, I liked the devotional Michael Young gave in Rexburg a few years back.

  • Dan


  • Right now I desire a burger.

  • shelter!

  • Dan

    I’ve got the U2 song in my head now

  • In a single talk in 1999, Eyring used the word ‘doctrine’ 45 times. I think Oaks’ is trying to beat him with ‘desire.’

  • Bradly Baird

    chocolate! where are my thin mints?!

  • My son likes soldier stories.

  • Dan

    my daughter tuned out long ago…

  • I want to write about the 1,000 stripling warriors as military propaganda. There are a lot of similarities with it and the Spartan 300.

  • Dan

    He’s tying this talk very well with the last one on testimony, with desiring a testimony.

  • Mine are mostly just lingering and listening for “Jesus Christ” so they can get an M&M.

  • …including the abs–at least in Arnold Friberg’s paintings.

  • Did he just make a dig at property. Oh, sweet.

  • Dan

    interesting thought there he brings up whether or not we are ready to accept judgment based on our desires. The question is, do we even understand what it is we desire in our hearts? Or is a lot of what we do in life not based on our desires, but upon other aspects? such as cultural pressures, ingrained habits, and so on.

  • property, prominence, pride, power, plush dolls,

  • brandt

    Isn’t that the plot to the movie “127 Hours”?

  • James Franco in GC?

  • Dan

    127 Hours!

  • Gross image for GC…I think I like.

  • Dan


    it was a real story. Aaron Rawlston.

  • brandt

    This is one of the times when I think it was a good idea not to include visuals with the talk.

  • We should cut off our arms if we are addicted to porn? I think that’s the message.

  • Dan

    sorry Ralston.

  • brandt


    My bad. “127 Hours” was the first thing that came to mind, I forgot the name to his autobiography which I read about 2 yrs ago. “Between a Rock and a Hard Place” was a fabulous read.

  • I’m really hoping that Oaks doesn’t bring up the gehys. That would totally change the talk and, IMO, ruin it.

  • Dan

    all should desire a marriage. He made no exceptions. Every single person.

  • One of my friends is Oaks’ granddaughter. His whole campaign to get singles to return to early 20th century dating habits started after he asked her why she wasn’t dating more. She told him that instead of going on lots of dates in pursuit of marriage, singles tend to “hang-out” more. Well, you should all know the rest of the story.

  • Dan

    he didn’t bring up gays….good on him.

  • I didn’t marry until I was 30. I think my life was just fine.

  • I enjoyed Elder Oaks’ talk.

  • so women should put a “righteous” desire for marriage over the desire for a career. Was that where the “overriding” was all leading? That just ruined a totally awesome talk for me.

  • Dan

    I got married at 30 also…would have preferred earlier, but I’m quite happy with my life.

  • Did Eyring bring up the Teton dam?

  • Scw

    What’s the rest of the story?

  • I got married at 21. It was my looks.

  • Yes, Eyring talked a bit about the Teton Dam flood.

  • brandt

    I got married at 23. It definitely wasn’t my looks.

  • Dan


    He did say something like that. I’m just curious why it is assumed “career” women can’t also get married, but yet “career” men can. It once again puts the woman under the man, as not capable of the same as man.

  • I do not think it was an attack on career women, but on making careers to priority. He applied this to everyone in his 4 P’s.

  • Now I really need to watch Eyring’s talk. My grandfather was put in charge of the whole response and recovery after the Teton flood. All of his hair fell out shortly after. My grandma says it was the stress. People today ask if I’m related to the Loyd Ericson who helped them after the flood.

  • Bradly Baird

    Boy, I have a good friend who took the “do all you can to get married” advice. I think he dated anything that moved as fast as he could in a quest for marriage, right after our missions. I have never witnessed anything like it in my life. But he found his eternal companion and got engaged two months after we got home, and two weeks after he met the girl – incredible.

  • Dan


    It wasn’t an attack on career women per se, but it did keep up the tradition that career women somehow are incapable of having a family or husband, but yet career men can.

  • #117 Utah County has a large percentage of “eternal” marriages ending after the couples decided they married too soon.

  • Dan



    not just Utah County. The Bible Belt has a higher preponderance of young marriages, and also a higher divorce rate.

  • Bradly Baird

    #119 Yeah, my wife and I were married at 23 and were astonished at the number of temple marriages – that happened at the same time as ours – were dissolved by the time were 26. Very sad.

  • Dan

    small acts of kindness.

  • Dan

    this was a good talk from Elder Ballard.

  • Thanks everyone, once again! Tomorrow, my co-hosts will include Ardis Parshall, Guy Murray, and Bored in Vernal/

  • Bradly Baird

    #123 Agreed.

  • Dan

    thanks for having me here, Chris. It was a nice session.

  • Elder Ballard delivered a sweet and loving message.

  • Bradly Baird

    Thanks, Chris. This was a fun way to experience conference.

  • Dan, thanks for helping me out. It was great.

  • Thanks Chris

  • Dan, I will look up the direct quote later, but it seemed to me he was roundly condemning women who would make career a priority over marriage — even if this were temporarily during any time during their dating years.

  • Ooooh. BYUTV is now showing “The Best Two Years.”

  • Romney 2012 Supporter

    How are Steve Young, Danny Ainge, and Jimmer Fredette supposed to feel about the New Zealand Rugby story?

  • Brooke Bradford

    I enjoyed lurking – very interesting insights looking forward to today’s session.

  • Thanks, Brooke! We have a pretty great line up for the Sunday sessions. I am excited.

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