Franklin and Billy Graham Sell Their Souls For a Mess of Republican Pottage

Billy Graham Website Down: “Mormonism Cult” Scandal Widens


(This article is one I’d like to share with you from ALTERNET: Posted by Bruce Wilson)
On Thursday and Friday Billy Graham’s BGEA ran high-profile full page ads, in 2012 election battleground state newspapers, encouraging voters to support “Biblical values” – foremost among which, according to the ads, is opposition to same-sex marriage. Then, on late Friday, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association pulled the plug on the over-$75 million dollar a year nonprofit organization’s website, in a striking counterpoint to the BGEA’s byline: “Always Good News”.

The surprise outage of the flagship global evangelizing organization website comes days before the 2012 presidential election, and on the heels of a widening scandal that opened up when aging evangelism superstar Billy Graham made a widely-heralded non-endorsement of presidential contender Mitt Romney and, soon after, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association website scrubbed a page on which Graham identified Mormonism as a “cult”, along with the Unification Church and Scientology.

On Friday, October 19th, the Washington Post ran a satirical essay , by a Mormon university professor, with the title “Mormon says he’ll miss ‘cult’ lifestyle”. The same day, the website of Christianity Today, considered by many to be the world’s leading publication for evangelical Christianity, featured a story titled Should the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association have Removed Mormons from “Cult” List? .

The Christianity Today op-ed followed an earlier CT wire service story, from the Religion News Service, which quoted my observation that – despite the previous scrubbing of a BGEA website page on which Billy Graham explicitly identified Mormonism as a “cult” – the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association website still featured pages which insinuated to website visitors that Mormonism is a “cult” and explicitly stated that follower of the world religion are not Christians (Mormons consider themselves fully Christian.)

To secular audiences, it is hard to overemphasize the earthquake-scale magnitude of this scandal within modern American evangelicalism — superstar evangelist Billy Graham was friend and confidant of multiple presidents, such as Richard Nixon, and was widely viewed as a more sophisticated and inclusive counterweight to theologically rigid tendencies within Christian fundamentalism. Graham was heavily criticized by fundamentalists for his willingness to appear in public with representatives of non-Christian faiths.

But even as Billy Graham has aged, and his perhaps less-diplomatic* son Franklin Graham has taken over the vast business franchise bequeathed to him by his superstar father, fast rising tendencies within American evangelism such as the New Apostolic Reformation — which former co-architect of the religious right Colonel V. Doner, in a new 2012 book, warns could become an “American Jihad” — are displacing strands of evangelicalism that embody Billy Graham’s carefully cultivated ecclesiastical and religious inclusivity.

Top leaders of the New Apostolic Reformation have called upon their followers to burn the Book of Mormon, the principal scripture that differentiates Mormonism from Protestant and Catholic Christianity.

In early Fall 2012, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association was a co-sponsor of the New Apostolic Reformation-dominated Philadelphia “America For Jesus” rally. A letter of support from the 93 year-old Billy Graham was read at the “America For Jesus” rally, which was sponsored by top NAR apostles and prophets including Cindy Jacobs , who has claimed that flocks of blackbirds dropped dead from the sky because of God’s wrath at Barack Obama’s decision to rescind the Department of Defense “Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell” policy concerning the sexual orientation of LGBT members in the U.S. military.

Other prominent NAR sponsors included Dutch Sheets , The Call founder Lou Engle , and National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference President Samuel Rodriguez . In August 2011, after unprecedented media scrutiny (see: 1, 2, 3) of the New Apostolic Reformation following a high-profile Houston, Texas NAR apostle- dominated religious rally called “The Response” that kicked off Texas Governor Rick Perry’s failed bid for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination, New Apostolic Reformation intellectual godfather C. Peter Wagner authored an op-ed for Charisma Magazine, the leading magazine of the Christian charismatic movement, titled The New Apostolic Reformation Is Not a Cult .

While some liberal publications such as Mother Jones have characterized the NAR movement as “small”, the apostles of the New Apostolic Reformation – under attack for years by traditional Christian fundamentalists who accuse the NAR of being a “cult” or even the end-time church of the Antichrist – have nonetheless blessed U.S. vice presidential candidates and tutored U.S. state governors on how to establish Christian theocracy, and sit on the boards of leading evangelical publications such as Christianity Today .

The NAR also claims, as an acolyte, former Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, who shut down the Florida vote recount in the 2000 election that sent George W. Bush to the White House.

Like the Mormon Church, New Apostolic Reformation doctrine includes the teaching that prophets can receive prophetic teachings from God which can augment biblical scripture – a teaching that Billy Graham prominently included as a characteristic of cults in one of his now-scrubbed Billy Graham Evangelistic Association website pages.

One possible factor that may have inclined Billy Graham and Franklin Graham to weigh in so heavily against the reelection of President Barack Obama: immediately following his 2008 election as president, Obama is reported to have rebuffed Graham’s overture to serve as spiritual “mentor” to the new president.

A 2012 survey sponsored by the liberal evangelical Sojourners organization, founded by pastor Jim Wallis, showed that only 29% of young evangelical Christians believed that “Christian leaders should endorse political candidates in elections”. Young Christians interviewed for the survey reported that “Same-sex marriage/Homosexuality” was the second most common theme they heard from the pulpit, closely trailing the issue of poverty – which is, by many magnitudes, a dramatically more prominent concern of biblical scripture as compared to biblical teaching on homosexuality.

*In 2010 Franklin Graham was dis-invited from a scheduled appearance at the Pentagon, because of his past statements attacking Islam.


Frank Schaeffer is a writer and author of Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back.

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About Frank Schaeffer

Frank Schaeffer is an American author, film director, screenwriter and public speaker. He is the son of the late theologian and author Francis Schaeffer. He became a Hollywood film director and author, writing several internationally acclaimed novels including And God Said, "Billy!" as well as the Calvin Becker Trilogy depicting life in a fundamentalist mission home-- Portofino, Zermatt, and Saving Grandma.

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  • Michelle Oerman

    How dare you say they “sold their souls”? Mormons believe in Christ too… Irresponsible yellow journalism…. Ugh

    • Jared

      Mormons are free to declare themselves as believers in Christ. But they ought not be surprised when people challenge them on that.

      The Mormon “Christ” is very different from mainstream Christians’ Christ.

      • B

        As a Mormon (a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) I have been surprised when I have heard or read other Christian religions who say “those Mormons aren’t Christians, they don’t believe in grace of Jesus Christ.” Because these remarks are so far from the truth, which is that the center of our beliefs is centered on Jesus Christ and His great Atoning sacrifice for mankind, I feel that those who don’t know about our beliefs are getting confused. So, I’ve decided to take specific examples from the Book of Mormon, and find as many references to Christ and his grace as I can, so that we may try to resolve this misunderstanding.
        • 2 Nephi 25:26 “And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophecy of Chirst, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.”
        • 1 Nephi 9:6 “Wherefore, all mankind were in a lost and in a fallen state, and ever would be save they should rely on this Redeemer (Christ).”
        • 2 Nephi 2:6 -8 “Wherefore, redemption cometh in and through the Holy Messiah; for he is full of grace and truth. Behold, he offereth himself a sacrifice for sin, to answer the ends of the law, unto all those who have a broken heart and a contrite spirit; and unto none else can the ends of the law be answered. Wherefore, how great the importance to make these things known unto the inhabitants of the earth, that they may know that there is no flesh that can dwell in the presence of God, save it be through the merits, and mercy, and grace of the Holy Messiah, who layeth down his life according to the flesh, and taketh it again by the power of the Spirit, that he may bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, being the first that should rise.
        • 2 Nephi 2:25-26 “Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy. And the Messiah cometh in the fullness of time, that he may redeem the children of men from the fall. And because that they are redeemed from the fall they have become free forever, knowing good from evil, to act for themselves and not to be acted upon…”
        • 2 Nephi 9:10 “O how great the goodness of our God, who prepareth a way for our escape from the grasp of this awful monster; yea, that monster, death and hell, which I call the death of the body, and also the death of the spirit.”
        • 2 Nephi 9:21 “And he (Christ) cometh into the world that he may save all men if they will hearken unto his voice; for behold, he suffereth the pains of all men, yea , the pains of every living creature, both men, women, and children, who belong to the family of Adam. And he suffereth this that the resurrection might pass upon all men, that all might stand before him at the great and judgment day.”
        • 2 Nephi 25: 20 “…there is none other name given under heaven save it be this Jesus Christ, of which I have spoken, whereby man can be saved.”
        • 2 Nephi 25: 23 “For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do” Just think about that for a moment, even IF we do all that we can do to save ourselves by being good, and I know we all fall short, it is still only through GRACE that we are saved, not my own works. That is pure mormon doctrine.
        …consider this passage as well, Alma 24:11 “now behold, my brethren, since it has been all that we could do, (as we were the most lost of all mankind) to repent of all our sins and to get God to take them away from our hearts, for it was all we could do to repent sufficiently before God that he would take away our stain.
        • 2 Nephi 25:26 “And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophecy of Chirst, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.” (I know it got repeated, but it’s just SOooo good)
        • 2 Nephi 26:24 “He doeth not anything save it be for the benefit of the world; for he loveth the world, even that he layeth down his own life that he may draw all men unto him. Where fore, he commandeth none that they shall not partake of his salvation.”
        • 2 Nephi 26: 33 “and he inviteth all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.”
        • Jacob 7:12 “I know if there should be no atonement made all mankind must be lost.”
        • Mosiah 3:8-11 “And he shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father and heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and his mother shall be called Mary. And lo, he cometh unto his own, that salvation might come unto the children of men even through faith on his name; and even after all this they shall consider him a man, and say that he hath a devil, and shall scourge him, and shall crucify him. And he shall rise the third day from the dead; and behold, he standeth to judge the world; and behold, all these things are done that a righteous judgment might come upon the children of men. For behold, and also his blood atoneth for the sins of those who have fallen by the transgression of Adam, who have died not knowing the will of God concerning them, or who have ignorantly sinned.”
        • Mosiah3:17 “And moreover, I say unto you, that there shall be no other name given nor any other way nor means wereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omniponent.”
        • Mosiah 13:28 “And moreover, I say unto you, that salvation doth not come by the law alone; and were it not for the atonement, which god himself shall make for the sins and iniquities of his people, that they must unavoidably perish, notwithstanding the law…”
        • Mosiah 15:1 “…God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.”
        • Mosiah 15:7-9 “Yeah, even so he shall be led, crucified, and slain, the flesh becoming subject even unto death, the will of the Son being swallowed up in the will of the Father. And thus God breaketh the bands of death, having gained the victory over death; giving the Son power to make intercession for the children of men—Having ascended into heaven, having the bowels of mercy; being filled with compassion towards the children of men; standing betwixt them and justice; having broken the bands of death, taken upon himself their iniquity and their transgressions, having redeemed them, and satisfied the demands of justice.”
        • Mosiah 16:9“He is the light and the life of the world; yea, a light that is endless, that can never be darkened; yea and also a life which is endless, that there can be no more death. (v. 13-15)
        …remember that only in and through Christ can ye be saved…teach them that redemption cometh through Christ the Lord, who is the very Eternal Father. Amen.”
        • Alma 5: 48 “I say unto you, that I know that Jesus Christ shall come, yea, the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace, and mercy, and truth. And behold, it is he that cometh to take away the sins of the world, yea, the sins of every man who steadfastly believeth on his name.”
        • Alma 7: 11-13 “And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people. And he will take upon him death, that he may loose the bands of death which bind his people; and he will take upon him their infirmities, that his bowels may be filled with mercy, according to the flesh, that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities. Now the Spirit knoweth all things; nevertheless the Son of God suffereth according to the flesh that he might take upon him the sins of his people, that he might blot out their transgressions according to the power of his deliverance; and now behold, this is the testimony which is in me.
        • Alma 11:40 “And he (Christ) shall come into the world to redeem his people; and he shall take upon him the transgressions of those who believe on his name; “
        • Alma 22:14 “And since man had fallen he could not merit anything of himself; but the sufferings and death of Christ atone for their sins, through faith and repentance…and that he breaketh the bands of death, that the grave shall have no victory, and that the sting of death should be swallowed up in the hopes of glory.”
        • Alma 36: 17-20 “…I remember also to have heard my father prophesy unto the people concerning the coming of one Jesus Christ, a Son of God, to atone for the sins of the world. Now, as my mind caught hold upon this thought, I cried within my heart: O Jesus, thou Son of God, have mercy on me, who am in the gall of bitterness, and am encircled about by the everlasting chains of death. Now, when I thought this , I could remember my pains no more; yea, I was harrowed up by the memory of my sins no more. And Oh, what joy, and what marvelous light I did behold;”
        • Alma 34: 8-9 “…I do know that Christ shall come among the children of men, to take upon him the transgressions of his people, and that he shall atone for the sins of the world…For it is expedient that an atonement should be made; for according to the great plan of the Eternal God there must be an atonement made, or else all mankind must unavoidably perish;”
        • Helaman 14: 15-18 “…he surely must die that salvation may come; yea, it behooveth him and becometh expedient that he dieth, to bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, that thereby men may be brought into the presence of the Lord. Yea, behold, this death bringeth to pass the resurrection, and redeemeth all mankind from the first death—that spiritual death; for all mankind, by the fall of Adam being cut off from the presence of the Lord, are considereth as dead, both as to things temporal and to things spiritual. But behold, the resurrection of Christ redeemeth mankind, yea, even all mankind, and bringeth them back into the presence of the Lord. Yea, and it bringeth to pass the condition of repentance, that whosoever repenteth the same is not hewn down and cast into the fire;”
        • 3 Nephi 11:10-11: This is Jesus speaking to the people when He visited them in America “Behold, I am Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified shall come into the world. And behold, I am the light and the life of the world; and I have drunk out of that bitter cup which the Father hath given me, and have glorified the Father in taking upon me the sins of the world, in the which I have suffered the will of the Father in all things from the beginning.”
        • Moroni 10: 32 “Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God.”
        • Hymn 193 “I Stand All Amazed”
        I stand all amazed at the love Jesus offers me,
        Confused at the grace that so fully He proffers me;
        I tremble to know that for me He was crucified,
        That for me, a sinner, He suffered, He bled and died.

        I marvel that He would descend from His throne divine
        To rescue a soul so rebellious and proud as mine;
        That He should extend His great love unto such as I,
        Sufficient to own, to redeem, and to justify.

        I think of His side, pierced and bleeding to pay the debt,
        Such mercy, such love and devotion can I forget?
        No, no! I will praise and adore at the mercy seat,
        And testify all my desires He doth fully meet.
        O it is wonderful that He should care for me
        Enough to die for me!
        O it is wonderful, wonderful to me!

        This of course is not a comprehensive list of the references of Christ, His work or His Atonement that are found in the Book of Mormon. As I hope you can see, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints worship Jesus Christ and rely upon His grace for our salvation. I add my testimony to those listed above: I know He lives and His work continues on until the end of time. I feel to say that I have been rescued by Him and I know that it is through His grace that I am saved, that I can progress in this life and even the desires I have to do good come because my Savior took upon himself my sins.

        This is my testimony of Christ.

        • lonnie

          I don’t doubt your Scriptures and that you believe Jesus to be the Christ. However, do you believe Jesus is God Almighty, the Second person of the Trinity? That is the clear break away. Either Jesus is God Himself or He is created by the Father. If you believe Jesus is God Himself come in the flesh then Mormonisms doctrine is very close, however, that isn’t what Mormonism believes. Mormonism believes Jesus is divine but not the Everlasting God, the Second Person of the Trinity. Therefore, Mormons serve a different Christ Jesus altogether.

          • http://yahoo shaun williams

            We as Latter Day Saints do not accept the concept of the “Trinity” trace the history of how that concept came to be, it will show you that it came about in a council of the Catholic Church of uninspired early Catholic churchmen. I find it sad that so many people cling to these uninspired beliefs and declare that they belive them but really have never taken the time to study and ponder and most importantly inquire of God if these concepts are true. You claim that you believe in the Trinity and now let me ask you why? do your research and learn about the history of the Trinity and take your time and above all inquire of God and he will open to your mind the truth.

        • http://yahoo shaun williams

          Beautiiful and very well written and appreciated.

        • westfield

          are you wearing your special underwear?

        • Gary (NJ)

          Yikes, did you type all of that or copy and paste it?

        • James Shmale

          Here is the Morman Faith Plain and Simple:

      • Dan

        Jared – - – - – the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe and teach as doctrine that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ… that he was born in Bethlehem of a virgin, Mary, a miraculous conception with the assistance of the Holy Spirit… and he was the Only Begotten Son of God… that he suffered and then died on the cross for all mankind… that he overcame death, that he was resurrected with a “glorified” and “incorruptible” body of flesh and bone… that he lives and is on the right hand of God… that he is the only Lord, Savior and Redeemer for all man… and that he is the Son of God, a member of the Godhead, with God the Father and the Holy Ghost…

        So you say there is a different Jesus Christ??? Please explain…

        • Jared

          Explain to us please what you mean when you say you are saved? I will offer it is a radically different meaning than that held by traditional Christian faiths.

          If you hold to Mormon doctrine, you believe that to enter the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom, you must be sealed in the temple. To enter the temple, you must have a temple recommend. To have a temple recommend you must sustain Thomas Monson as a prophet seer and “revelator,” along with all of the members of the Quorum of the 12. You must wear the authorized temple garment both day and night. And more, you must also hand over 10% of your income to the Corporation of the President. No other Christian faith to my knowledge requires a declaration of accepting another mortal as a “prophet,” nor does one require payment of a tribute to enter into the highest degree of heaven. Instead, to them the grace of Christ is sufficient.

          What do I have wrong?

          • B

            but none of that matters, the stuff, the temple service etc. , if Christ never died for us. THATs what you don’t understand, just because we promise to do more and be more for HIM doesn’t mean that we need HIS grace any less than you do. He died for both of us. I am a Mormon, and THATs what I believe.

          • http://yahoo shaun williams

            We belive that all mankind must be saved, but to us we believe that salvation is a process and not an event. We do indeed believe in salvation by grace as is expressed in the scriptures but we also belive that grace is given by the way we have lived our lives and how we applied the gospel truths as taught by the Savior in our daily lives. We belive that since no man during this mortal sojourn will be perfect we need something to bridge the gap if we ever hope to live in his presence again, this is where grace is supplied by the atonement of the Savior. The Savior made it clear both by his teachings and his example how we as his followers are to live our lives, in pure Christlike service to others. We do not believe in the theory of once saved always saved, God does not ever force someone to Heaven, we all have the ability to choose for ourselves how we invest our time and live our lives. Grace plays a major and very important role in the life of any true Latter-Day Saint and it is eternal in it’s nature.

        • Richmond

          In support of David, though his response stands on its very accurate own.. One of the main pillars of Christianity and Judaism is that God is one and only one and has always been. That man is his creation and is not equal too or can become a peer of the one God. Lorenzo Snow himself stated “As man now is, God once was; as God is now man may be.”.. The inference that God walked once as a mere mortal and that through fulfillment of the pillars of mormonism attained deity is an absolute opposition to the Christian faith. It also infers that someone or something had to have inferred this immortality meaning that God is not alone….

          • harrystamper727

            Hey Richmond
            Let me make an obvious comment regarding God was once a man. Most think this teaching is blasphemous. Hasn’t this story already been told? It’s called the greatest story ever told……think for a moment, the main point of the New Testament is a story of how God was born a babe in Bethlehem, grew up in a normal Jewish family, worked a trade, then performed His ministry for 3 years, then was brutally put to death, then resurrected Himself, He restored His actually physical body, lived for 40 more days among His friends, ascended into heaven promising to return. Christ was referred to as “the Son of man” 84 times in the KJV of the New Testament. It’s no accident.

          • james19601

            We believe as Mormons that Heavenly Father was once a sinless Savior in another world as Christ was in this one. We do not believe that Heavenly Father was a mere mortal man, sins and all, as the Father is greater than the Son, and the Son is without sin. We do believe that humans may attain a kind of godhood though still of course under the authority of the Father and the Son. If Genesis teaches that man is made in the image and likeness of God it makes sense that we should become like Him. If He is our Father it makes sense that we should have the potential to grow up to be like Him. Christ was constantly calling Him Father and telling us to do the same. This is a very important concept, and not a mere poetic conceit.

      • http://yahoo shaun williams

        Yes the mainstream christianity that you refer to is a christianity that is on the decline as it embraces doctrines that Christ himself never taught or practiced and in fact warned his followers against in very clear terms. The mainstream christianity of today is judgemental and eletist and offers lip service but as a whole their hearts are far from him. The mainstream christianity that you refer to embraces tradition rather than truth and people are leaving in droves, look at the Crystal Cathederal and Trinity Broadcasting Network if you want to see just a tiny fraction of the damage that “Christianity” supports and embraces as fellow christians, before you mock others you had better look at “mainstrean Christianity” and see it’s countless flaws and sins.

      • james19601

        So you think there is more than one Christ? I’m Mormon and believe there is only one. You should read Galatians more carefully, especially in the context of the philosophical concepts, foreign to the original gospel, that were grafted onto the Christian faith by Hellenizing theologians. For believing Mormons, Jesus is Jehovah of the Old Testament and the eldest and greatest spirit begotten by Elohim. If you’re curious how it works, read the Book of Job, which is very enlightening in Hebrew.

    • Taylor

      As a person dealing with the Mormon church, no they dont believe in the same Jesus, And believe that Missouri is the new Holy land, Joseph Smith is a prophet and so are others in their Church, So Jesus was married and had children. Jesus and Satan are “brothers” and Jesus came to save them, but Satan got mad at his brother and went evil. Brothers, Really?
      NO crosses allowed, if your brother was shot by a gun, would you wear a necklace with a gun on it? So NO crosses with the Mormon Church. Dont miss “church” they will come to your house to collect your tithing. There is no excuse for not giving the church its due. According to Ann Romney, being a missionary, going door to door giving out the LDS bible, is EQUAL to being in the Military and fighting overseas, you know, the blood bath, PTSD, loosing limbs or life. The same thing, you bet. Its a cult. They dont believe in the Holy Spirit, only God and Jesus and there is no Holy Spirit. Oh and that thing about anyone of any other color than white was not allowed, they changed that, they needed more money and members. Gotta build that castle no one can go in.

      • http://yahoo shaun williams

        I would ask you do you really have nothing better to do than spit into the wind? so it’s clear that you have an axe to grind and hate Mormons, we get that. I think you would be better off if you spent much more time in “Christian service” to others, what have you done to make your corner of the world a better place? Get yourself to a rest home and share some of your time and talents with those who are lonely and could use a friend, go to a soup kitchen and bless the lives of others. Take yourself to a prison and be a friend and make a difference in the lives of others, What about your own family what could you do to bless their lives and show an example of what a true follower of Chist is all about? Jesus marked the path and every point clearly defines about what he requires of his true followers, his own life was about compassion and service. God never forced anyone to follow him or forced anyone to heaven or hell it is all about the choices we make in this life. As a practicing Mormon I take great offence when others such as yourself declare try to define what I belive and practice, do you know me or my heart? no you don’t but God does and one day he will judge me this life is the time to prepare to meet him. I will simply say to you that you will be judged in large measure by how you spent your time serving and loving his children, now go out into the world and live for him and serve his children in humility and love and pure Christlike service.

      • james19601

        If you’re so smart, why is Satan present among the sons of Elohim in the Book of Job? You make it sound as if Lucifer were, according to Mormonism, the evil twin of Jesus! Lucifer never rated that highly as a son of Elohim, say, in comparison to you, or even me (and I know myself to be a great sinner and also not a particularly devout Mormon), since we were at least faithful enough, according to the theology of Mormonism, to side with Jesus in the beginning. I don’t know about you, but having seriously gone astray in this life, I definitely need Jesus as my Savior and the grace made available through the Atonement. By all means, wear whatever kind of religious jewelry you think, for whatever reason, makes you a better person. There are a great many religions in this world, with a plethora of religious symbols. And yes, there are symbols on the temple garments. I haven’t earned mine yet since converting, and that’s partially because I let influential Mormons like the Romneys, whom I don’t very much care for, to scare me away from the church. When I see it being dragged through the mud, as in some of these posts, I can’t help reacting as I am, though ultimately only foolish people spend their time arguing politics and religion, and we would all be better off if we all loved the truth, respected and loved ourselves, and our neighbors as ourselves.

    • Tim ebert

      They also believe the man can become god and have his own planet with a thousand wives….They also pray for the DEAD AND THEY HAVE GENEOLOGY OF EVERY AMERICAN ALIVE. THIS HELPS THEM PRAY FOR THE DEAD…THEY PRAY FOR THE DEAD SO THEY CAN MEET JOSEPH SMITH..SO THE DEAD PEOPLE CAN HAVE THE CHANCE TO BECOME PART OF THE ” ONE TRUE RELIGION”….Yes they still believe in polygamy and within the darkest recesses of they church they have the president who they “THE PROPHET”.. in order for Mitt Romney to keep in good standing with the church Romney will have to ask THE PROPHET what to do….RONMEY IS NOTHING MORE THAN A PUPPET OF THIS CULT! I know all this because my friend ran away from there and had a bounty on his head in they call “THE BLOOD ATONEMENT”. Isn’t THAT CREEPY SCARY…..He was on the run from them for quite awhile and is scared now because if he spills the beans on what REALLLY HAPPENS IN DEEPEST DARKEST PORTIONS OF THAT CULT. PEOPLE MAY CHANGE THEIR MINDS OF VOTING FOR HIM…..

      • http://yahoo shaun williams

        So who are you to judge me for what I choose to belive? I am just amazed that people such as yourself are so quick to declare yourself as my judge and jury. Does it really matter what the Mormon’s belive? what do you hope to accomplish to run down another man’s faith? does it really matter if I worship a purple rock or a slice of moldy cheese, isin’t that my choice? I could never understand why people such as yourself don’t just walk away if you choose to belive something different, are you really that insecure and scared of a tiny little church? Does what I believe really terrify you that much? I see so much in the world that could be done to improve society by people such as yourself, why not be a true follower of Christ and get out into the world and see what a huge difference you could make in someones life? There are so many countless people who could use your help and service, where are you? there are people who are lonely and could use a friend, where are you? A life of real Christian service is what this world so urgently needs just now, that is what will really make an eternal impact on the world. To go on the internet and mock anothers faith no matter your feelings or how much you may disagree with it is just a waste of time. Get yourself out into the world and live for Christ and see how much good you can do by serving others.

    • T EBERT

      Yes and I would like you to explain to me the relationship between the THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT? And also about what you call “spirit babies” along with the ” Blood Atonement”. Another thing that concerns me is that You pray for the dead to see Joseph Smith and need to be Approved in order to have the right to enter the inner most portion of the Temple….I would also like to know what you call your leader of the church…thank you

    • T EBERT

      Michell Oermann
      The Mormon cult does not believe in Jesus the way we do…..They do NOT BELIEVE IN THE THREE IN ONE….NOT AT ALL….THEIR SALVATION DOESN’T HINGE ON WHAT JESUS DID ON THE CROSS….IT HINGES ON JOSEPH SMITH!! Please understand this…Oh and also if you were a MORMONS wife you would get a new PET NAMEand be pregnant all the time with SPIRIT BABIES..THEN WHEN YOU DIE YOU GO TO THE Celestrial Kingdom Whoops you to the celestial kingdom after talking to Joseph smith on the way and HE WILL DECIDE IF YOU ARE WORTHY ENOUGH TO GO TO “The CELESTRIAL KINDOM

      • james19601

        There are many of Christ’s apostles, in all dispensations, who will help to judge the world, according to the Bible and other standard works of Mormonism. The biggest decider of where you or I will spend eternity, given that for anything good we are dependent on the light of Christ (which you can read about in the opening of the gospel of John) is ourselves, as common sense should tell you. I am either more literate than you, or you wrote in a hurry and while visibly upset. I’m not saying you should talk to the missionaries, you’d probably only aggravate them. You need to calm down and realize that you have only a distorted view of what more thoughtful Mormons, who choose to take the faith seriously and not be merely cultural Mormons, believe. Some of your objections are silly. For example, a moment’s reflection would be sufficient to realize that the Celestial Kingdom goes on for an infinite amount of time (eternity) and that a woman in that kingdom would be non-pregnant for an infinite amount of time between pregnancies. It takes a tremendous sort of Kierkegaardian leap of faith to even believe in heaven at all, without you making a mockery out of it. As for those spirits begotten by the exalted, Heavenly Father would still be the ultimate Father. I mean, He trusts people with the responsibility of being parents even in this world. You really should look more into the faith before lambasting it, and maybe if you care so much about the Savior to be offended at what you erroneously think we believe about Him, you would actually make a good Mormon at some point. Just don’t confuse splitting theological hairs with doing anything remotely constructive in this world. I’m quite willing to admit we Mormons may be wrong, it’s just that you’re wrong about what we believe.

    • westfield

      here’s what Mormons believe (from the website cultwatch)

      The Mormon god is an exalted man called “Elohim” who lives on a planet near the star-base Kolob4. Elohim has a physical body and is limited in power, he cannot create matter. He is not omnipresent being limited to one place at a time. He is not eternal like the Christian God since Elohim had a beginning. The Mormon God is married, to the “Heavenly Mother”.
      “Jesus and Satan are brothers. Jesus was conceived via Elohim coming to earth and having physical sexual relations with Mary. Jesus was married, and was likely a polygamist and fathered children. Jesus is a created being. You cannot worship or have a personal relationship with Jesus. Jesus appeared to people in America after his resurrection.”

      They also believe that “all will be raised from the dead, but individual salvation and forgiveness from sins is by works. To reach the “Celestial Kingdom of God” and to have a chance of gaining godhood, a Mormon must keep the whole law. These Mormon laws and commandments include: giving the Mormon church ten percent of your income; accepting the Mormon gospel; Mormon baptism; being married in a Mormon temple; the constant wearing of Mormon sacred underwear known as a “temple garment”; staying “worthy” by perfectly obeying Mormon laws which include avoiding liquor, tobacco and hot drinks; the Mormon must obey the church authorities.

  • Doris Taylor

    Yes I think Father and son the Grahams did sell their soul to the DEVIL and I believe it is all about money. God will judge them on judgement day. The money Mitt Romney gave the Grahams is another work of the DEVIL. I will pray for your soul!!!!!

    • Dan

      Doris Taylor – - – - – you are making false accusation, without showing proof, very unchristian. . .

  • Andrew

    If you would like absolute proof that the mega-rich Mormon Church is indeed a dangerous cult and an anti-Christian organisation, then google:
    Here, in graphic detail, you can now watch and witness a full and actual Mormon Temple Endowment Ceremony inside a very real Mormon Temple, captured recently by video.
    In this amazing expose, you will find that Mormon Temple Oaths and Covenants include swearing with raised hands at an Altar that you will “Give your time, your talents and everything that you possess, even sacrificing your own life if necessary, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints for the building up of the kingdom and for the establishment of Zion”. i.e the Mormon Church and its empire.
    As with all obedient Mormons, Mitt Romney has attended and taken these Temple Oaths and Covenants on numerous occasions along with his wife, and they will come first and foremost before any allegience to the office of US President.
    This should leave you in no doubt that the Mormon church is an abomination and a very real enemy of Christ, all true believers and indeed even to American freedom itself.
    Billy Graham cannot surely have known any of this, when he signed away his inheritance to this fanatical cult.

  • Chas holman

    Hi, my names Billy graham.
    For decades I have been spiritually informing my flock that the quasi religion known as the ‘Mormons’ or Latter Day Saints as a ‘cult’. Up until a few days ago it was well known that my Organization believed and informed the world that Mormons were worshippers of the Devil and would not be received by Jesus.
    During this time, my spiritual guidance on the matter has really hurt a lot of people and in some cases tore families and communities apart.
    I’m certain as a result of my spiritual advice, young LDS children have been tormented and castigated and made to feel like outsiders, while LDS adults are considered unholy and the hand servants of Satan by those who have taken my advice or been on the receiving end of it.
    I’d just like to say none of that matters anymore..We have a Christan black man in the White House, and all that Devil talk, and all that Mormon spirituality nonsense was just that, total nonsense.
    Forget everything I ever said about Mormons.. and the Devil.. and religion.. This is a war of Caesars and it should NOT be compromised by ethics, or religious convictions.
    And let’s face it, wouldn’t you rather have a crazy white Mormon, than a black Christian in office?
    Thank you, Billy Graham

    • Taylor

      The biggest lie satan told is that Mormon is a “real” religion” not a cult. Look up planet Kolob, look up Jesus had kids. Look up Jesus and satan were brothers. Look up why they dont believe in having a Cross anywhere. And why black or any other than White were not allowed in their church until the late 70s. Why cant a marriage be with the whole family? Not just the two of you with some witnesses in the Temple, your family is not allowed to be there. But you can have a picnic afterwards. Brigham Young’s slaughter of people.
      Now that Billy Graham has removed this, Im sure he got a nice donation from “someone”
      its a religion that doesnt believe the same things the Christians believe. Nice Job Billy boy. The Mormons are going to get a huge amount of new members and it will be from your own flock. Good luck with that.

      • james19601

        Kolob is only mentioned once in the standard works (and once in a hymn) as being nearest to the residence of God. It’s a name for a concept suggesting coming very close to the presence of God. We really don’t have a systematic teaching about it. You’re welcome to convert and develop one if you think it will do us any good. The Book of Job — remember that? — includes Satan as one of the “bnei Elohim”. Satan happens to be one that fell, though it’s a relief to know that that was his choice and that Heavenly Father didn’t deliberately specially create an evil angel. As far as Jesus being married, who are you to assume He was a monk, and why should He have been one to please you? You have a problem with marriage? There’s something wrong with marriage? Family is only not allowed to be present at a marriage if non-Mormon. Perhaps that rule will eventually change, I actually hope it does. Marriage, however, is very sacred to Mormons, and not only a secular affair. If you realized how sacred it is, you would realize why Jesus being married in Mormon theology is actually a good thing. I missed the memo that husbands and wives were supposed to be ashamed for getting married, and it doesn’t sound too Biblical to me. I can’t stand Romney and I’ve been known to be very critical of Brigham, including the horrific incident to which you refer and in which he is not above suspicion, and his racism, which was I think offensive; despite certain passages in the standard works, including the Old Testament, that have been used to justify racism (and not just by Mormons), it was not against the practice of Joseph Smith to ordain black men to the priesthood, because he did it. I don’t really believe in the infallibility of prophets on all matters anyway. Mormonism, though it claims ancient antecedents, is a relatively new faith, and have you seriously considered some of the offensive things done in the history of Catholicism and Protestantism? I was raised Catholic and also spent many years in Protestantism before becoming Mormon, and there is plenty of blame to go around in all church histories. Religion has to be taken on faith, that’s why many wonderful and perfectly rational people, especially scientists, who are inclined to be skeptical, have chosen to be atheists or agnostics. I can’t prove they’re wrong, but I can prove when a faith such as ours is attacked with an extreme bias. We do claim a lot for our faith. However, do you hold us to a standard of perfection that you do not expect of your own? Do you have a hidden agenda for minimizing our efforts to correct our past mistakes?

    • Frank Schaeffer

      Hi Chas “Billy” you nailed it. Thanks, Best, Frank

      • Sam Hamilton

        Do you really think Bill Graham has anything to do with this? If not, then don’t encourage people like Chas. Nasty.

  • NOLR History

    New Apostolic Reformation and LDS Are the Same!

    You wrote,

    The biggest lies are presently first with stealth so that the rest of the argument provides a framework. No, sorry, you are wrong! Ever since its inception in 1975, Steven Strang and Charisma has always been a voice for the New Order of the Latter Rain (NOLR) — a Christian Kabbalah cult movement that started at the end of WWII and re-activated the occult teachings and prophetic declarations of a 17th-century London-based Christian Kabbalist sect called the Philadelphian Society. One of their central declarations was that “God is restoring the Melchisedeck Priesthood.” After one studies the founders writings in historical and political context as well as gaining a full understanding of Kabbalist theosophy, the real meaning of “God is restoring the Melchisedeck Priesthood” is that the ancient souls of Israel were to reincarnate into ther genetic descendants, including those of the *original* apostles and prophets to carry out their work of perfecting the church and returning Adam to a pre-fallen state. This was a very clever syncretism that Joseph Smith plagiarizes to form his LDS Mormon cult. These same 17th century writings were subsequently picked-up by the twenty-somethings in North Battleford, Saskatchewan just after WWII. Both LDS and the NOLR, now re-packaged as the New Apostolic Reformation NAR and fully endorsed by Charsma, has the Jewish occult doctrine of reincarnation as the basis for their cult authority i.e. the Mormons have there “Quorum of Twleve Apostles” and the NOLR/NAR has their “International Coalition of Apostles” (ICA) led by “Super Apostle” C. Peter Wagner who turned his occult movement over to Chuck Pierce.

    You need to get a bigtime history lesson as there are readers who can remember history over 10-years ago. That Graham would capitulate to Romney and LDS is no surprise since Billy Graham started within the Latter Rain movement. Many Billy Graham archives in various libraries are filled with documents from Latter Rain leaders so answering the question, “Do you think Billy Graham knows this? Is he ignorant of the historical facts?” is a resounding *Yes*, you damn well better believe he knows all of this and more and he is absolutely without excuse as is Franklin Graham and the rest. Did you really think there are no historians reading your article? Unbelievable!

    • james19601

      Ooh, you said damn. Mormons don’t believe anyone reincarnates on this planet, that’s what other worlds or universes are for, otherwise it would be most logical for us to follow Hinduism (too indifferent to human suffering) or Buddhism (not that the Buddhists don’t have some nice teachings about compassion) or Jainism (too non-theistic and focused on impersonal karma). Yes, Joseph Smith was from a Masonic family, studied the Kabbalah, and became a Mason, but you’re wrong if you think he passively accepted everything he was taught. One of the reasons he was killed was for introducing what he said were corrections in both the church and what he considered to be apostate Masonry. I’m not a Mason, but I’m pretty familiar with what he is on record as having expressed on the subject. Are you? The Philadelphian Society thought sex was evil; does that sound Mormon? And two groups can both claim to re-establish the Melchizedek Priesthood without talking about the same thing, just as there can be real gold and counterfeit gold. As far as the resurgence of Kabbalah after WWII, are you such a dunce that you can’t remember what happened during that war and figure out why Jewish mystics, after the atrocities against their people, would turn for comfort to their tradition and try to propagate what they believe? If you’re really uncomfortable with anything esoteric, and go around looking for cults everywhere, you might want to give up on religion entirely as you will probably find that some of your own beliefs are esoteric and that unless you are a lone self-anointed prophet someone probably thinks you’re in a cult. I’ve no doubt you’re very good at airing everyone’s dirty laundry, and I’ll admit having quite a bit of my own. How clean is yours? And how exactly do people contribute to the well-being of society by appointing themselves the orthodoxy police and bashing other people’s beliefs on the Internet? I’m willing to accept you’re a Christian, of whatever exceptionally conspiracy theory inclined ilk. I am sure you would not extend the same courtesy to me, and would not be surprised if the only Christian you are sure of is yourself. And please try not to curse so much in posts pretending to be devout. You remind me of an ex-friend of mine, supposedly Evangelical, who when I had explained the benevolence of God to him in my new-found Mormon faith, protested that “God is not a nice guy” and that he knew what was in the “damn Bible”. Good luck with your life and try to look for good in other people because we are all brothers and sisters and if you can’t love the people you actually see it’s easy to pretend it’s because you love God more. And that’s what’s unbelievable!

  • Cella

    60% of the Republican party believe Barack Obama is a Muslim. He is not, and has never been one. So if the worst Christians can say is Mormons are a cult, be happy. If he is elected, his religion will be attacked, but never as bad as President Obama has endured.

    • james19601

      I’m LDS (Mormon), a convert actually, and I voted for Obama soon after my baptism and will probably vote for him again, much to the chagrin of some of my fellow Mormons. I’m keeping away from church lately though I keep most of the other rules as best as I can. Mormons like Romney embarrass me. I’ve never even received my endowment in the temple yet (won’t get into why) and he’s been a stake president but I wonder if he really believes in Mormonism (which requires a great deal of faith) or if he’s a very cold, calculating individual, not above doing the occasional good deed for image’s sake and most fond of those parts of the religion that tell him he’s a superior person because he was born into a very established Mormon family. I don’t think he’s big on the actual Christian elements in Mormonism just as I don’t think Paul Ryan places his supposed Catholic Christianity above the elitist and atheistic philosophy of his true idol, the hack writer Ayn Rand. Unlike William F. Buckley, Jr., who forced himself to read Atlas Shrugged, I’ve never been able to bring myself to do more than dip into that book, and I think we would all be better off if Atlas Buggered Off. I sincerely hope that Romney is not elected, and as someone who has studied the history of Mormonism (warts and all) I find the drifting of the church toward extreme political conservatism disturbing. The church made a lot of enemies, needlessly, by opposing the ERA, and in doing so went against an old tradition of strong women in the church. It should have been moving instead in the direction of empowering women in the church. As for the Prop 8 fiasco, the church has every right to restrict temple marriages but is on questionable ground trying to lay down the law for the rest of society. Perhaps I’m sensitive on this issue myself because I’m not entirely straight. I do have a gay friend from college who has moved to Ireland and entered into a civil union with his partner, and it doesn’t seem to bother him that it’s not called a marriage, though I know he supports gay marriage in the States. Clinton actually supported the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman, it will probably always remain that in the Mormon religious view. I know that many Mormons are embarrassed about polygamy (even in heaven! give me a break!) though I’m confused as to why the government has the right to ban it, and no, it wouldn’t disturb me unduly if women insisted on polyandry. It may or may not fit in with Mormonism, we kind of like to have a good idea who everyone’s father is without having to do a lot of paternity tests. I really can’t see, anyway, why a widow who is sealed to her late husband can’t be sealed to a new spouse as well. Just like it didn’t make sense to me when I was told I would have to choose between being sealed to my adoptive or biological parents for eternity. None of them were Mormons and I haven’t been baptized for anyone in my family yet. I really think some Mormons are obnoxious in whom they perform posthumous baptisms for, especially when the people are not ancestors or showed a revulsion toward Christianity or Mormonism or organized religion. Romney’s posthumous baptism of his dead father-in-law proves Romney to be a jerk, as his father-in-law died an agnostic or at any rate rejecting Mormonism, and his “free agency” in the matter should be respected, just as Mormon theology says Heavenly Father will respect it, if Mitt really believes in Heavenly Father. What I think is that many Mormons are quite wealthy and that Mitt uses the church as a business and social network without worrying too much about the theology. Ironically, the earliest Mormons, while requiring work of those capable, did think that everyone was entitled to the things Mitt complained about the 47% feeling entitled to. There are teachings in Mormonism so that a man like Mitt feels superior, as though not having to wait for the afterlife for exaltation. I’m sure Romney eats those things up. The parts of Mormonism that are definitely Christian are probably those he’s least comfortable with. I don’t know why he wants to be reckoned as a job creator, when his usual modus operandi has been to load companies up with debt, in all too many cases bankrupting them, and park the resulting profits offshore. A few companies were helped by Bain, partially because if he had bankrupted and profited off of every company he handled he could not claim to have created any jobs at all. It’s possible that Mitt is someone very bad, in a scriptural sense, though if I were more explicit on this point I might be thought delusional. Anyone who has read the Bible knows that Mitt’s being somewhat sinister would be no surprise even if (or perhaps especially if) the LDS Church is true.

  • GeeArr

    There’s some good history presented here on whether Mormons are a cult or not. But it only scratches the surface of the issue. Bottom line on whether they are or not should depend on the Christology in their beliefs. It’s a resurrected Arianism. Arianism almost divided the Church in the 2nd century, but because of it the Council of Nicea gave us the Nicean Creed. Joseph Smith was a charlatan and uneducated. There is much historical evidence from the times still in existence that depict his sway over the naive; and the troubles he caused for the neighbors where ever they went. It’s pretty well white washed now. Read and decide for yourself.

    • james19601

      It’s not quite Arianism, since Arius never taught the Mormon idea of the Godhead, did he, or that Jesus was Jehovah, or that the Holy Ghost is a (human) personage of spirit, or that all spirits are co-eternal with Elohim Who organizes them by begetting them spiritually with a Heavenly Mother? I’m Mormon, and accept these things as part of the theology I subscribe to, but while Arius (like Pelagius) was a not-so-bad guy who’s gotten a lot of bad press (and some of it from some Trinitarians and proponents of Original Sin who did some horrible things that Arius — and Pelagius — never did), you really can’t convince me we’re Arians at all. Our understanding of the Godhead indicates a much more literal reading of parts of the Bible than Arius would allow for. I could just as easily call you an adherent of Tertullian. How’s Montanism working for you lately, by the way? The political bickering recorded of those early councils, and the fact that they were essentially in the political interests of Roman emperors who legalized a form of Christianity without behaving in the least way Christian — and often persecuting those who did — makes me not want to take anything from them at all. They were actually the beginning of an apostate Christianity in many senses, one that drew on all the most negative and confusing ideas that could be twisted out of scripture and was intent on persecuting the Jews, compelling the forced conversion of pagans, and stifling all dissent by force of arms. I seriously doubt that you would have wanted to live among such so-called Christians, and if the least use of your own God-given intellect among them, for good or ill, would have allowed you yourself to escape the label of heretics. Since I find their own records of how they arrived at and compelled others to accept their decisions I choose not to accept their decisions.

  • Carolyn Barnes

    I don’t agree with the headline here as far as “selling their souls”, but I am saddened by Billy Graham going so far as to do a Mitt Romney type flip-flop in changing his tune and having the web-site scrubbed to accommodate Romney as a candidate. He and Franklin are entitled to their political beliefs as much as the rest of us, but when it causes them to change life long standards and to adopt the ignoble attitudes of a less than honest politician, it is indeed a sad day. Mr. Graham has always been a hero of mine, but I think in his advanced age and under his son’s questionable guidance, he has lost much of his honor.

  • Marilee Reyes

    Frankly, I suspect the Franklin Graham is behind the whole episode and is manipulating his father.

    • T EBERT

      I totally agree …This is franky graham all the way….all I can say is HOW PATHETIC …..Franky YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF……HONESTLY,,,,,USING YOUR OWN FATHER..AND KNOWING FARE WELL THAT THE REV. WILLIAM GRAHAM HAS BEEN A DEMOCRAT FOR SOME 70 plus years……but you really hate don’t you frankly……YOU TRIED SO HARD TOGETHER YOUR MOM BURIED AT YOUR LIBRARY THAT WAS GOING BANKRUPT AND THAT DIDN’T WORK AND NOW THIS LAST ACT OF REVENGE ON YOUR AILING FATHER……HOW PATHETIC….YOU WON’T a tenth of a man your father is……..ever….so you might just as well give up now….you sorry excuse for a Christian…….

  • Mark

    I am appalled that one of the most prominent leading Evangelists has turned on this issue of difference between Protestants and Mormons. I was raised staunch Protestant (Calvinist to be precise) and taught of the dangers of the “Mormon Cult.” No longer affiliated with Fundamentalism I respect anyone’s belief, but find this nauseating Hypocrisy too much to bear. I believe that Cella said it best above that Obama is hated so much that they will do anything to oust him, including “Sell their Souls” because that’s EXACTLY what they did – damned Hypocrites. They showed their true colors. Why I left the Church a LONG time ago and support Progressive ideals!

    • james19601

      It’s funny that you mention Calvin, because he was a big-time cult leader in Geneva, and actually in the case of Michael Servetus, a murderer. I converted to Mormonism and voted for Obama shortly after doing so. I find Mitt so uncongenial that I’ll probably do so again. Obama has faced unnatural and in my eyes some downright unpatriotic opposition. I do wish the Mormon bashing here would settle down a bit. Some of us have even stopped going to church because of the disgusting Romneyesque atmosphere prevailing in the church. I know I have, and since I’m a fairly recent convert, it’s cost me opportunities to progress in the formalities of the religion. So it’s not as though every Mormon is a Romney supporter. Romney’s father had his good (and bad) points, and the son seems to have inherited all the bad and very little of the good. It doesn’t surprise me that he was an upper class flake and a bully in prep school. (Wouldn’t be the first such type we’ve had in office, our country seems to romanticize them, to our discredit.) And it’s absolutely no surprise that he whines/brags about not inheriting anything when the stock portfolio, mansion, and summer house he got while his parents were still alive far surpass anything the average person inherits from his or her parents. I myself inherited a grand total of $17,000 from my adoptive parents, so apparently I lived a life of luxury in comparison with him, the king of the leveraged buyout. And anyway, isn’t it the leveraged buyout that made this country great? Bain did save some businesses, but it is a recorded fact that in most cases Bain was an angel of death to the companies it acquired. Romney’s father was a job creator, he gave people jobs making cars, and I really think Mitt can’t point to any such record of job creation, so he should shut up about it. His father was something of a progressive and an anti-racist, so I don’t think he would be offended if Obama, a black progressive, trounces George’s spoiled, arrogant son, whose Salt Lake Olympics borrowed more federal money than any other Olympic Games held in the United States, and who, unlike his father, will say absolutely anything to get into office. I write my criticisms of him on this forum with some trepidation, as I believe him to be a petty, vain man, and capable of being quite vindictive.

  • Jan

    Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and Franklin Graham are NOT Billy Graham. Franklin Graham may be Billy Graham’s son, but he is not Billy Graham and I doubt seriously that he speaks for him. Billy Graham was an evangelist that thought only of presenting the gospel. He stood above the fray and offered Jesus only. Franklin is a very different man than his father and it seems unfair to hang any of this around Billy Graham’s neck when spent his life offering new life in Jesus. He never preached politics or any specific religious affiliation. Can we just let that legacy stand?

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  • magdalena jones

    I’m happy to see the Grahams stop telling us who is and who isn’t Christian, and who’s going to heaven or not when it comes to believes. I believe that’s God’s job, not any man’s. I’m now waiting for them to denounce that Democrats, gays and lesbians are not Christians as well. But maybe, just maybe is this just a greed issue, maybe old Billy is just overran by his neoconservative son, and maybe it’s just about power.

  • ED

    I am reminded of the old joke I heard many years ago. Someone asked, “What is the difference between a cult and a religion?” The reply was, “about 150 years.”

  • Lynn B

    Christ said all sins of men could be forgiven but the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven (Mark 3:29). And when J Smith, B Young and the other prophets that the Mormons hide, apply the weaknesses, the lusts, the evilness of man to God Himself that is blasphemy. Christ warns of many false prophets and that you should pray for them and stay away from them. So I stay away and I pray.
    As far as the abortion issues, the gay issues, the moral issues, these are sins of men that God Himself will judge and either condemn or forgive. The church (any church) has failed to defend HIM, they have tried to appoint themselves strictly as the most saintly. Many will be surprised as to who is in Heaven and who isn’t. I pray for the Mormons, the lost, the Muslims, etc. so that God will save them and keep them in HIS arms. But they have to repent first and accept Christ as their savior and as the only way to heaven. Not good deeds, not money, no one else prayers, no human promises. The way is Christ and HIS Grace.
    Why when Christ was born and resurrected that the angels who gave the greatest news of all times were simply referred to as “Angels of the LORD”? So I am confused as to why so many ignorant people believe that the “angel” Moroni would appear to J Smith and make sure Moroni was named and is being worshiped today? Satan’s angels want the slap on the back, the approval of man, and they want your souls.
    When someone isn’t at the church I attend, I pray for them, I call them and if they have lost their way, I still talk with them, be there for them and pray for them. In the Mormon church (just as in Islamic beliefs) if a person walks away from the faith, they are to be shunned by family, community and friends? What are you hiding that you can’t do as
    Christ says to do, Look for the Lost and bring them home? Why do you try to murder them or make life so miserable for them that they fall away even worse?
    It is time to DEFEND our Father in Heaven. The blasphemy against HIM is wrong. He is not weak, perverted, money hungry as men are. HE is what we will never become and we need to honor HIM and defend HIM. He has always been there for us, even during the hard times and the times that we failed to acknowledge HIM. ( I make no difference between God, Jesus , Holy Spirit for they all are one. That is the beauty of it all and we just cannot see it with our simple minds).

    • james19601

      Angels were named in both the OT and the NT (think Michael and Gabriel). Moroni is not worshiped by Mormons. And we can become like Christ and Heavenly Father (as is promised in the Bible itself. Christ even said we would be able to do greater works than He was doing in His ministry. Of course, we can not equal His Atonement, without which theologically even our resurrection is impossible. You say you make no difference between the Three Persons, but is the Father only loving Himself when He is loving the Son, and the Son only loving Himself when He loves the Father? And we have it on scriptural (Biblical) authority that the Holy Ghost testifies not of Himself but of the Father and the Son. Look that up in the Bible if you don’t believe me. They are three beings, they are one in love, the same as Christ prayed for us to be one. You will still be yourself, and I will still be myself; we may be one in will and purpose. The beauty of faith, and I’m not saying that you don’t have Christian faith, is that it can be grasped by simple minds, without the need to study complicated theology.

  • davis

    Satan believes in God and His Son do that make him a Christian?Mormonism is of the devil.

    • james19601

      You say Mormonism is of the devil, and I, being a Mormon say it isn’t. It definitely passes St. John’s test of not being of the antichrist. If you want to argue that we are heretical, I invite you to examine the morass of medieval superstition that goes by the name of Christian orthodoxy, with its baroque conception of an angry, vengeful and fleshless God, and its unjust idea of guilt handed down to us at birth by our ancestors, and tell me how much in it remained of the original good news. You may invoke all kinds of mysteries, but none of them can outweigh the mystery of faith in our Heavenly Father and His Son Our Savior.

  • Ken

    They tell everyone on TV it is about the economy…then when they meet church leaders they tell them it is about Biblical values. Wonder if this is their pattern. Meet girls, tell them the election is about skirts. Meet boys, tell them it is about football. Meet kids, tell them it is about ice cream. Meet old ladies, tell them it is about dentures. Meet old men, tell them it is about viagra. Meet rich friends at lunch, tell them it is about increased taxes. Meet poor people, tell them it is about caring for 100%. Meet outsiders, tell them it is about foreign policy. This is scary politics the Republicans are playing. Oh, the race will not even be close.

    • james19601

      I have a dear friend who is doggedly Republican because he fears that the Democrats have become way too progressive and that an extreme conservative response is required as a corrective. Mitt Romney makes it clear that he is neither conservative nor liberal nor moderate but a man who will say anything to get elected. I mean, the alliance between Ezra Taft Benson and the John Birch Society is embarrassing, though at least you knew where you stood with him. George Romney was pretty much of a progressive in some ways. As for Mitt, he cares deeply and passionately about Mitt Romney, and I would be ashamed to have a shameless profiteer like him as my bishop.

  • Donald

    Franklin and Billy Graham are compromising truth here. Thank you for your article.

    • james19601

      I think Mormonism is Christian (though not as practiced by everyone). However, it is obvious that Franklin would say Anton LaVey was a Christian if he were running against Obama.

  • Stephen G. Rodenbough

    What Billy Graham’s ministry did was no less of an act of prostitution than operating a brothel. They will need to cast the beam from their own eyes when they preach about the Whore of Babylon.

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  • Samuel PG

    Thanks for this article.
    Just to put it out there, I identify as both and evangelical and charismatic Christian, have my BA in Theology from an evangelical institution, recently completed my M.Div., and hope to church plant and pastor, and I find these trends within evangelicalism to be deeply disturbing.

    • james19601

      I’m willing to admit that some of our Mormon theology and origins might seem questionable. However, can you honestly defend for example the idea that we are born guilty of a sin committed by our remotest ancestors, the so-called doctrine of Original Sin, which Augustine basically brought in from the Manichaean religion? I can’t stand Romney, but oddly thinking the restored gospel is true — and I do — I do not think that given the position in the church he was born into, Mitt is Mormon enough. I have not heard a word come out of his mouth in support of Mormon doctrines, and I have no doubt that if he does believe in any aspects of Mormonism it is those that he can spin to make himself feel superior to his fellow human beings. He is a bully and a manipulator and a prevaricator. That said, while I respect your erudition, and my own leaves a lot to be desired — though I think my Biblical Hebrew isn’t so bad — I find it hard that you, an educated man, can see what are commonly known as Evangelicalism and Charismatic Christianity as at all consonant with the plain sense of scripture. Totally put aside all the scripture that we Mormons have in addition to the Bible, though of course we do not add to the Book of Revelation itself, as there is a commandment not to — but all our additional scripture aside can you prove to me that Catholicism, Lutheranism, Calvinism, or the Charismatic movement (in which the Spirit appears to testify more of Himself than of the Father and the Son) are consistent with the Old and New Testaments? Luther was inclined to disregard the entire Epistle of James and Calvin disregarded everything about love and humility and emphasized everything he could find about vengeance and wrath. How is that good news? I was raised Catholic and tried Protestantism for years and I found a home in Mormonism. I just wish people like Mitt would repent of their haughtiness and show genuine Christianity, which exists among people of all churches, I’m sure. I wish you’d see that it occurs among Mormons, too.


    billy graham knows the truth he meet and new william branham they all ackknowledged he was prophet when branham said thus sith the lord it never failed not once , his dicernment goft he could reveal the secrets of the peoples hearts when the angel of the lord was present , what he said has come to pass exactly the christian denomonations have turned down the word of god and gone back to mommy the roman catholic church and the vatican runs the usa the great david duplesus the heretic led the pentecoltals right back to rome . they are foold becouse they judge all things by the anointing soirit they feel , but paul said dont do that judge the spirit by the word of god . its not by emotions and feelings the holy spirit is a life an action in you not toungs ar an emotions . ou can have a gift of the spirit thats a gift but not have the baptisim , look at ciaphis he prophoside one would die for the nation and he was anti christ rejected the true word christ and condemming him to death . remember the reain falls on the just and the unjust they live of the same life , cain and abel come by the same principle and law of life obe was a devil one a son of god .


    i dont care what you think i dont care what i think man has not got a tought comming in the face of gods word , were you there to tell god what to do , did he need my advice of cource not , but paul said god would judge the world by my ghospel , CANT YOU CATCH THE REVELATION OF THE SPIRIT thats lets out every single denomination on earth . god is his own interpreter he said let their be light and light was that dont need any interpretation gods done interpreted it him self by bringing it to pass . its always been that way jesus day , moses day . pauld day , the religious hate it becouse its never according to their denomonation and with their denomonational vail over their minds like the pharasies they are blinded to the word standing manifested right before them . god listen to the messenger and the spirit in each church age paul was obviously the first not man not the dimb theologeons who are carnal and intellectual . the bible is by holy spirit devine revelation to the individual not intelectual reason , watch who do men say i am , peter say though art the christ the son of god , jesus say bless you simon flesh and blood did not reveal this to you but my father in heaven see not flesh and bllod man or his own mind but by god who reveald it two peter who he was . now a bit of strong meat can you take it .bless yas all .


    the pilgrim fathers fleed the tyrany of rome and its false prophrt the pope they beleaved that church and state should be seperate and freedom of religion , the roman church would kill you they killed 68 million christians , notice the big fat cardinal in his frock the bible says its an abomonation to put on cloes of the oposite gender , anyway thats by the by just to say fat cardinal sits between Romney and Obama laughing becouse the vatican pills the strings regardless . they are pagans nothing christian about it idolotry the mother of herlots revelation calls her how she become a mother ? she had doughters the protestants and just like mommy rome they are prostitutes wores to the word of god , they take creeds and dogmas thats spiritual fornication with satan over the humble word of god all the time . ony one salvation thats through christ you must be borne again .if you have the holy spirit who is the word how the genuine holy spirit leads you into anything but the word of god praise the lord .the holy spirit who wrote the word amen the church organisations are just clangging symbols full of the world dress like the world filthy , rock and roll bands in the church pasters married for or 5 timed preaching , women preachers its a disgrace , judgement begins at the house of the lord .



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