When bad music happens to a good God

lorddance2Kathy Shaidle of relapsed catholic, in noting the death of “Lord of the Dance” composer Sydney Bertram Carter, uses the jocular headline “We’ve missed our chance to kill him.”

Carter’s obituary in The Daily Telegraph includes these revealing details:

The number’s success stems from two elements. It has a lively, catchy tune, adapted from an air of the American Shaker movement. But the optimistic lines “I danced in the morning when the world begun/ and I danced in the moon and the stars and the sun” also contain a hint of paganism which, mixed with Christianity, makes it attractive to those of ambiguous religious beliefs or none at all.

Carter himself genially admitted that he had been partly inspired by the statue of Shiva which sat on his desk; and, whenever he was asked to resolve the contradiction, he would declare that he had never tried to do so.

However, he admitted to being as astonished as anyone by its success. “I did not think the churches would like it at all. I thought many people would find it pretty far flown, probably heretical and anyway dubiously Christian. But in fact people did sing it and, unknown to me, it touched a chord. . .

“Anyway,” Carter would continue, “it’s the sort of Christianity I believe in.”


With considerable chagrin, I remember years from the early 1970s when “Lord of the Dance” was one of the greatest hits of Faith Alive, a laity-led renewal movement in the Episcopal Church. The news of Carter’s death does raise an essential question essential for worshipers: What hymns, whether classic or contemporary, would you prefer never to sing again in this life? (The question mercifully assumes that Heaven will show more wisdom in its choice of music.)

Here are my own nominations, in an effort to prime the comments pump (exercise caution: links lead to sound samples):

“On Eagle’s Wings”
“Shout to the Lord” (lyrics)
“Gift of Finest Wheat” (lyrics)

Send in your nominations — all faiths are welcome, of course — and if you really love us, include links.

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  • John

    How could anyone not put “Kumbaya” on that list?

    “I’m dying of boredom, Lord. Kumbayaaaaaa.”

    Lyrics: http://www.lyricsfreak.com/p/peter,-paul-&-mary/107820.htm

  • http://u2sermons.blogspot.com Beth

    This may call into question whether I *truly* have that de colores de colores down in my heart, but I could live happily for decades and never again sing either

    Pass It On



    Have You Seen Jesus My Lord?


  • Michael Christianson

    “Come Now Is The Time To Worship” (http://www.kennycarter.net/Lyrics/Come.html)

    “The Heart Of Worship” (http://www.kennycarter.net/Lyrics/heart_of_worship.html)

    The occurance of the word “Worship” in both songs is merely coincidental.

  • http://www.ecben.net Will Linden

    While I object to the attack on Carter for modernizing the medieval English carol “My Dancing Day” (not to mention the apocryphal Acts of John)…. something I am fed up with is one my own church insists on repeating, an atrocity someone set to the “Finlandia” theme. This is because it has the worst text overlay I have ever encountered. The opening is “We would be building! Temples still undone o’er crumbling walls their crosses barely lift…”… The setting, of course, makes this come out “We would be building temples still undone.” (Like the infamous “Jesus lives no longer now”.)

  • James Freeman

    “We Shall Draw Water, Joyfully”

    . . . or perhaps just jump in and

    inhale deeply

    “They Will Know We Are Christians by Our Luuuuuuv”

    . . . or by our abysmal taste in


    “We Shall Rise Again”

    . . . and write a hymn with all the

    structure (not) and shifting

    perspectives of a William Faulkner

    novel. That is, if William Faulkner

    hadn’t the brains to actually pull off

    a William Faulkner novel

  • Steve Odom

    It Only Takes a Spark

    How Great Thou Art

    The Old Rugged Cross

  • G. Reeves

    How about “Our God Reigns”

    or “Shine Jesus Shine”

  • http://www.batgung.com mr tall

    Is it just me, or does anyone else break out in hives when that ‘hymn’ that starts ‘Lord Jesus Christ, You have COME to us; You are ONE of us; Mary’s Son . . .’ is in the service? Everyone in my church seems to grin at the little twirls in its heartlessly peppy melody, but I just can’t stand it!

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  • Mark D.

    Would that I could have Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and erase permanently “Wind, Wind” from my memory, and all hymnals. The same dogged, depressing tune for both the verse AND the chorus – now there’s a conceit!

  • Connecticut Yankee

    This one may be familiar only to ELCA Lutherans– but I could live without “I Was There To Hear Your Borning Cry,” which has got to be one of the sappiest expressions of pre-9/11 middle-class self-satisfaction ever penned. Don’t know if there’s a sound link or not. Marty Haugen’s “Healer of Our Every Ill” is another one that hasn’t worn well, in my opinion.

  • Erik

    “Ubi Caritas”

    Not because it’s a bad song, but it just reminds me too much of ECUSA’s 2003 General Convention that it has been thoroughly ruined for me.

  • http://www.relapsedcatholic.com Kathy

    Up here, we are/were required to sing The Huron Carol constantly during the month of December, for obvious seasonal and geographical reasons (the Midland Martyr’s Shrine being close enough for school trips if you grew up in Ontario). It makes winter seem even longer! God bless St Jean de Brebuf, but it really does sound like a Boy Scout leader’s idea of something “Indian”.

    So many Catholic hymns are very dirge like, even the presumably cheerful ones like “I Was Full of Joy”. When you sing that one, it actually sounds like you’re on you’re way to your own funeral.

  • noname

    “Lord I Lift Your Name On High” — I suppose the lyrics are okay but when people in church start dancing with their hands as if it’s a party song ala Village Peoples’ “YMCA” I cringe. This happens on the refrain:

    “You came from heaven (point up) to earth (point down) to show me (point to your heart) the way (hands outstretched)

    From the earth (point down) to the cross (point to the altar) my debt (arms crossed over chest) to pay

    From the cross (point to the altar) to the grave (point down) from the grave (point down) to the sky (point up)

    Lord I lift your name on high (hands in the air)….

  • http://www.lolajl.net/blog/ Lola

    How about “Christ is Risen from the dead” . . . a paschal hymn known to every Orthodox Christian? And especially when it is sung at a very rapid tempo.

  • Anonymous

    ‘Shine Jesus Shine’ verily does suck as does the (at one time) eponymous ‘Majesty’ and ‘Bind us Together’ (sung with disturbing regularity at evangelical weddings in the 80′s).

    More recently, there is a “worship” song (I think it’s called “I Traded My Sorrows” or something like that) in which the chorus goes something like: “Yes Lord, Yes Lord, Yes, Yes Lord.” Hair-splitters looking for evidence of creeping eroticism in Christian worship will have a hard time topping that one, as far as I’m concerned.

  • http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/natep Nate

    What’s funny is that the “lord of the Dance” showed up on “Christian Contemporary Radio” back about 15 years ago — it’s funny considering how much the people who listen to CCM are sensitive for taints of paganism and such.

    How about also “Our God is an Awesome God”?

  • Brett Thomasson

    “Lord You Give the Great Commission”

    Anything by Brian Wren

    “Be Thou My Vision” with the “updated” stanzas

  • http://crowhill.net/blog GregK

    “Gift of finest wheat” kills me. When I was a Lutheran, we sang, “Come now and take the body of the Lord, and drink His holy blood for you outpoured.” In the Catholic church we’re asked to sing, “You satisfy the hungry heart with gift of finest wheat.”

    No wonder Lutherans believe in the Real Presence more than Catholics!


  • http://crowhill.net/blog GregK

    For all you unfortunate Catholics who have had “Ubi Caritas” inflicted on you, I have a challenge. Whenever I hear that song I can’t help but think of Scooby Doo, e.g., “Scooby Dooby Doo, and Velma, and Velma,” etc.

    Can anyone finish the verse?

  • noname

    “Gift of Finest Wheat” got me thinking about “Bringin’ In The Sheaves”

  • http://www.tmatt.net tmatt

    My, aren’t we having fun?!

    What’s up with the comment on “Christ is Risen From the Dead”? Hardly a CCM newbie. There are many, many different settings of this refrain — which is sung throughout the Pascha season. Greek, Arabic, Russian, Ukrainian, Romanian, you name it….

    But let me be clear — there is NO CCM version or renewal music version of this ancient classic.

    tmatt, father of a 16-year-old Orthodox choir director

  • Sean Gallagher

    “Sing of the Lord’s Goodness”

    If the melody to this song had a hymn tune name, it would be ‘Brubeck.’

  • elisabeth

    Sorry I can’t find a link, but the absolute worst has got to be “Earth and all stars, loud rushing planets” from the 1982 Episcopal hymnal. Need I mention the “loud boiling test-tubes”? Use your imagination…

  • elisabeth

    Sorry I can’t find a link, but “Earth and all stars, loud rushing planets” from the Episcopal Hymnal 1982 had got to be one of the worst. Need I mention “loud boiling test-tubes”? Use your imagination . . .

  • Rod Dreher

    The only hymns I could put on this list are those that Doug already has: “Gift of Finest Wheat” and “On Eagle’s Wings.” In every Catholic church in which I’ve been a part — save for the three blessed years in a Maronite parish, where the only music was ancient chants by the choir — we either sing lovely standards or, more often, those two abominable wretches.

    Speaking of wretches, I hate singing the new, improved, sensitive version of “Amazing Grace,” in which “saved a wretch like me” is replaced by “saved and set me free.” In fact, I refuse to sing it. Ninety percent of what’s wrong with the contemporary American church is symbolized by that change, if you ask me.

  • Hunk Hondo

    All those listed so far truly suck except for those listed by Steve Odom (“Old Rugged Cross” bad? Steve, one of us has weird tastes and I don’t think it’s me.) I would add

    (1) anything by Marty Haugen;

    (2) almost anything by Christopher Walker; and

    (3) the pseudo-Hawaiian communion anthem “Song of the Body of Christ.” For those of your who missed my rant about this one on Amy’s blog a few days ago, I’ll repeat my summary–Those responsible for this island imbecility deserve to hear the words of another famous Hawaiian: “Book ‘em, Danno.”

  • Bob

    “Catholic” Lenten and other seasonal banality:

    Hosea “Come Back to Me”)

    “I Am the Bread of Life”

    “We Have Been Told”

    “You Are Mine”

    I could go on an on…

    (a thirty-year Catholic priest longing for Latin.)

  • Richard Kent

    And none of you have mentioned “They will know we are Christians by our love”, which is both the liturgical equivalent of dragging fingernails across a blackboard AND stupid to boot.

    And add to that heresy in verse: “Let us sing a new church.”

    Of course, my taste in liturgical music is legendary in my family, when I was 3 years old, legend has it that I began to sing “I’m Henry VIII I am” by Herman’s Hermits during the Consecration, so take that for what it’s worth.

  • http://www.batgung.com mr tall

    Hmmm. Shouldn’t have contributed to this thread earlier. I was lay preacher at my church’s ‘contemporary’ service yesterday, and what should turn up in the songfest but ‘Majesty!’ And of course we sang it twice.

  • Margaret Davis

    Oh, wow, these songs gave such a wring of pain-choked mirth. Or mirth-tinctured pain. Pass it on, Majesty (I HATE Majesty), They Will Know we are Christians…ARRGH!

    I followed the link on I Could Sing of your Love Forever–good lord, they sing this onanistic, epicene moaning as a worship song? You’re kidding, right? Patooi!

  • DeeBee

    OK, this is a carol, not a hymn: “Joseph Dearest, Joseph Mine”

    And another one: “The Snow Lay on the Ground” – Think about this one: the shepherds are in the fields, minding their own business, and all of a sudden the sky is full of angels, singing in Latin (Venite Adoramus), the language of their current oppressors. No wonder they were scared out of their wits.

    Since I’m doing the seasonal thing, how ’bout “Ho-Saan-aaa loud Ho-Saa-aaa-nuh, thuh li-i-ttle child-ren SAAAAAANG!”

    Or perhaps: “I Siiing a Sonnng of the Saaaaaints of Goddddd . . .”

    And finally: “Lettt therrrre bee Peeeeace son Errrrth . . .”. The Man of La Mancha feel is sooo 1960s.

    Concerning “Earth and All Stars” – for the longest time, I couldn’t sing “loud boiling test tubes” w/o giggling.

  • http://songstress7.typepad.com songstress7

    Oh yes, Shine Jesus Shine is up there… and Majesty (I must have sung this 80,000 times)…

    And don’t forget “Celebrate Jesus Celebrate” http://www.higherpraise.com/Lyrics/CelebrateJesusCelebrate.htm

    The one that is the top of my “please never sing this again” list, though is “Blow the Trumpet in Zion” – the one that quotes the book of Joel about an invasion of LOCUSTS…


    Great post, yer gettin’ bookmarked!

  • Tioedong

    Musically and theologically, the worst is “we will build the City of God”, which changes key and is impossible to sing…and theologically implies WE are the important ones in worship, i.e. worshipping ourselves…

    Novelist Michael O’Brien’s book Father Elijah uses this hymn in a “new church” service, and the objecting priest reminds his tormentors: But we don’t build the city of God…in Revelations it descends from on high at time’s end…

  • Jill

    I’m sorry but I would give my 2 front teeth to sing most of the songs mentioned above, well, maybe with the exception of “Kumbaya” at our church. We rarely sing anything written during the latter half of the 20th century, let alone the 21st century. Like most people my husband and I (both in our 40s) have some favorite hymns, but there are times when we’d love to see the hymnals cast into the fire! I realize there are some contemporary praise and worship songs that are monotonous or less than artistic, but it’s 2004, most of our congregation is over 50, and we wonder where all the young people are? Let’s not ignore the exhortation to “sing a new song unto the Lord!”

  • Handy Fuse

    I think “favorite hymns” would have been more interesting. But my Baptist childhood memories reveal “Just as I am,” “Onward Christian soldiers,” and one that probably only I know called “A Million More in ’54.”

  • Daniel

    ‘Celebrate, Jesus, Celebrate’ is one that our praise band has decided to scratch from our repertoire. It’s just too hokey for my taste. The only reason we kept it up for so long was that it was one of the few songs where we got congregational participation (via the little claps in between lines).

  • James A. Brown

    (Having fouled this up once, I’ll try again.)

    If God had meant us to sing praise music he wouldn’t have given us Bach and Ralph Vaughan Williams.

    If you have trouble with “Earth and All Stars” you are obviously thinking about the words. Sing faster and don’t think till it’s over. Then try not to laugh.

    As for “I Sing a Song of the Saints of God” (by Lesbia Scott??? What were her parents thinking?) I tend to get distracted by my own ‘improvements’ to the Olde Englishe atmosphere of trains and lanes:

    …and one was hanged

    and one was shot

    and one was fried on a griddle hot

    and however they died it hurt a lot

    and I want to be one too.

  • http://patrickrothwell.blogspot.com Patrick Rothwell

    The sad thing is that, I actually liked “It only takes a spark” when I was a camp counselor at a YMCA camp while in high school and college. It was great around a campfire, but it would suck out loud at mass. Context, context, context.

    Oh, and “I Sing A Song Of The Saints Of God” is just awful, but dotty Anglican just luuuuv that hymn. Must be the idea of meeting saints at tea with blue haired old ladies with funny hats. Now, if they could just change the context from tea time to champaign brunch or happy hour…

  • http://www.evangelikale.at Wolf Paul

    Hello Mr LeBlanc,

    I’m curious: what in the lyrics of “Shout to the Lord” prompted you to pick it

    as a “better not sing it again” hymn?


    Wolf Paul (referred to your site by Touchstone)

  • Craig Galer

    “Let There Be Peace On Earth” has got to be the most puke-inducing piece of “music” ever composed, whether in or out of church, and yet it seems to be our parish music director’s favorite song. Especially the “new, improved, inclusive-language” version, which has us singing, “with God as our Father, neighbors all are we” – can’t use a “gender-specific” word like “brothers”, so just make it senseless, as if the definition of “neighbor” was “having the same father”. The song was already awful, but they just made it stupid. At least I can distract myself from the song by laughing about the lyrics with my wife.

  • Marc

    What??, No one mentioned “Companions on a journey”?

    How about replacing Responsorial Psalms with ditties that are similar to the Psalm, but more PC?

    Yikes! Doesn’t anyone else see the hubris at thinking we can improve Scripture??

  • Susan Davis

    Almost anything originating from Oregon Catholic Press, especially from this site:


    And my friends wonder why I converted to Eastern Orthodoxy…

  • http://www.cantemusdomino.net/ Aristotle A. Esguerra

    “Anthem” – Tom Conry. Non straightforward lyrics married to an overly syncopated melody. The trick ending is a fitting conclusion.

    Most of Michael Joncas’ works

    Most of Carey Landry’s works

    Most altered-text hymns

    I wouldn’t walk out of a Mass if any of these were programmed, though. Music, while a significant accoutrement, is not the main course.

    Regarding “LTBPoE”, you may enjoy this send-up <.”>.”>http://catholiclight.stblogs.org/archives/000426.html&gt;. Humorous and informative.

  • sinclair

    have to throw my votes to “Let there be Peace on Earth” and the Carey Landry ” I Believe in the Sun”. Talk about a mismatch between tune and text!

    Ruth Duck texts tend to make me nervous as well.

  • Mark Hanson

    I could live a long time without the veiled (??)eroticism of “In the Garden.”

    Also, I can’t see the title of “The Old Rugged Cross” without hearing the melody for “My Grandfather’s Clock” – “The old rugged cross was too large for the shelf…”

  • http://getreligion.org Douglas LeBlanc

    Wolf Paul asks:

    {I’m curious: what in the lyrics of “Shout to the Lord” prompted you to pick it

    as a “better not sing it again” hymn?}

    These lyrics in particular, which — when coupled with the treacly tune — leave “Shout to the Lord” sounding like Bette Midler at her over-the-top best:

    I sing for joy at the work of your hands

    Forever I’ll love you, forever I’ll stand

    Nothing compares to the promise I have in you

    Besides which, that’s a whole lot of first person singular language for a hymn.

  • Kenneth Tanner

    I’m surprised no one has nominated the perfectly awful “Breathe” by Marie Barnett.

    The chorus of this pop song — in which the contraction “I’m” is held for about five seconds followed by the words “desperate for you” — is already a classic of the new erotic-worship genre.

    A sound sample and complete lyrics can be found at:


    The story of the song’s origin along with (um, interesting) quotes from its writer (“I never sat down and wrote thinking, This could be sung in a congregation. It was more between me and the Lord in my bedroom with the door locked”) can be read at:


  • Jenny

    OK, I’m late on this but I couldn’t leave out:

    Seed Scattered and Sown (A toothpaste commercial)

    Rain Down (blues piano- a real hoot to watch the priest sashay down the aisle to it when used as a recessional)

    Whatsoever You Do (a beautiful scriptural text taked to the heights of musical banality and excruciating political correctness)

    River of Glory (ri-VER of glo-RYYYY with stream of consciousness verses)

    It was these and a few others that drove me to promise before God that I would never again sing ‘pop music’ in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament.

  • Anonymous

    Still missing from the list: Martin Nystrom’s “As the Deer Pants …”

    (for example — http://ingeb.org/spiritua/asthedee.html) At least the tune

    comports well with the drippy sentimentality of the text.

  • http://kmknapp.blogspot.com/ Karen Marie Knapp

    And don’t forget “Mother dearest, Mother fairest”, “Good night, sweet Jesus” and those two’s dripping-in-sugar-syrup sibs and cousins.

  • http://gasparian.stblogs.org Fr. Jeffrey Keyes CPPS

    anything by Haugen, Haas, Ruth Duck

    or “Sing a New Song” “Sing to the Mountains”, “Though the Mountains May Fall,” and anthing from “Glory and Praise”

  • Joseph D’Hippolito

    Mad, wild and crazy props to James A. Brown for mentioning Ralph Vaughn Williams, perhaps the most underrated classical composer of the 20th century. Do you know that his most recognizable piece, “Fantasia On A Theme of Thomas Talles,” is based on compositions by a former church choirmaster? Talles was Catholic and composed his work in Latin before Henry VIII left the Church; then Talles went with Henry and composed the rest of his work in English.

    “Fantasia” is my favorite classical piece. It has a sense of etherial pathos that touches my very soul. Also, check out Vaughn Williams’ “Lark Ascending.” Who says the English aren’t emotional?

    Church music (RC and non-RC) I would pay to sing:

    “Praise to the Lord, the Almigthy, the King of Creation…”

    “Hail Holy Queen” (for the melody more than for the theology)

    “Oh come, Oh come, Emmanuel…”

    “God Of Our Fathers” (my absolute favorite)

    “Battle Hymm of the Republic”

    “Onward Christian Soldiers”

    Church music I’d pay to flush down the toilet:

    “More Love, More Power, More of You In My Life…”


    “Here We Are, All Together As We Sing Our Song, Joyfully” (I learned this rubbish when I was 10 years old in CCD and I still remember it. Ugh!!)

    “I’ve Got A River Of Life Flowing Out Of Me” (a favorite of Campus Crusade for Christ meetings when I was a college freshman. UGH!!)

  • http://www.kyleandkelly.com/ Kyle Adams

    My my, what a bunch of kill-joys. Heaven forbid you should move or make motions to a song, or enjoy an emotional experience. Granted, there are some lackluster songs listed above, but the comments all sounds WASP-ish (well, perhaps not the “P”) and stiff.

    I understand that certain types of music will not appeal to everyone, and yet I’d hope there would be some understanding that one person’s trash is anothers treasure. We ought to encourage each other and rejoice in the diversity of church music.

    Those of you steeped in Bach and Mozart, seek out a local gospel choir or join your church’s youth group in their praise times. Get involved and (as Atticus Finch would say), “never judge anyone, until you have been in their shoes, and walked around in them.”

  • Puzzled

    _The Huron Carol_ was composed to a French trad folk tune. It only sounds indigene by association.

    _Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus_ — the gnostic chorus: “the things of the Earth will grow strangely dim in the light of your glorious grace” Is my nomination for Worst.

    I left a First Baptist Church for an LCMS congregation when they used what I think is a woman’s orgasmic moan, possibly taken from that one movie, for rhythmn on the synth.

    For good, I have never been able to find the words and tune for G.K. Chesterton’s hymn, O God of Earth and Altar. Any leads?

  • stephen

    “He Lives,” by who, Ralph Carmichael, right?

    Musically deadening , and one of the worst, especiallyfor how ubiquitous the song was for a time, lines of theology: “You ask me how I know He lives, He LIIIIIIIVVVVVVES within my heart.”

    Yea, right.

    However, as much as I agree with the general tone of all this, I keep in mind the subjective nature of music and the love of it: I was trashing “In the Garden,” to a pastor friend once, and he related a story of (not first person) of a woman who stopped a similar trashing, and said as a child she was sexually abused every day and the only thing that saved her life was walking outside the house after the abuse and singing that song…

    That sort of shut me up.

    Artistic tripe still can be true worship,

  • I. Wink

    Reading all of your comments on the songs, you all sound like a bunch of little demons, sitting around complaining about churchie people and their music. I was quite entertained! Now, go fly a kite.

  • http://onlinefaith.blogspot.com C. Wingate

    I’m surprised nobody has listed “Taste and See” (which always makes me think of a butter commercial) or “Here I am Lord” (aka the “Brady Bunch Hymn”).

  • Tracer

    I found this site by accident while trying to find the last name of the composer of “Sing A New Song Unto The Lord”.

    I am sooooooo happy to have found at least a few people who gag while singing the miserable church music listed here!

    I’ve sung in my church choir for years and we USED to sing lovely music by Bach, Mozart, Handel, Schubert — all the beautiful masses. Then something strange happened a few years ago.

    Out went the dead white men and in came the smarmy, syrupy “contemporary” composers. And no one would explain “why” to me.

    It’d be one thing if these so-called “composers” could write a decent song, but all we get is Haas, Haugen and the rest of the hacks.

    I couldn’t do it any more. I quit the choir.

  • Joseph Trapp

    Rather than bashing these songs and lyrics, perhaps you yourselves should concentrate on the real presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. He will lead you to a peace that is above all understanding. Jesus Christ Himself remains on the altar and in the tabernacle regardless of the music being sung at the Mass. He will not leave you, but please consider the following question:

    “Do you leave our precious Lord alone in the Eucharist when your mind is filled with such hate and distain for the music at Mass?” Please try to concentrate on the real reason we are at a Catholic Mass; because we know that Jesus Christ is truly present in the Eucharist and we desire to be a member of the one true Church that Jesus Himself founded. We will be praying for your hardened hearts.

  • Ella

    woo-hoo I must say I agree 100% with you Joseph,

    and let me add that we are called to make a joyful noise unto the Lord, hard to do when all you think about is the ‘bad’ music.

    now as far as the catholic mass is concerned… There needs to be reform within the church that only GOD can bring, as it goes deep. I was raised a Catholic but I began to read the Bible this year with prayer and well how do we as Catholics justify the lordship, the power that those high in the church weild over the followers, read Matthew (verse 20), Mark (verse 10) and Luke (towards the end), I don’t have my bible right here with me so I’m not sure of the exact verses but just take a look and read your Bible.

    I don’t say this to rag on the Catholic Church but to call attention to others within the church so that there can be prayer.

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  • http://users.fvi.net/~C128User/default.htm Glenn P.,

    Can someone please provide me with a LINK to the “Lord Of The Dance” album pictured at the very top of this page?

    [ This page = http://www.getreligion.org/?p=104 ]

    [ The picture = http://www.getreligion.org/wp-content/photos/lorddance2.jpg ]

    Alternatively, can someone provide me with the name of the artist, so I can look it up somewhere?

    I’d appreciate it, thanks. (There’s a Spam-proof link to my E-Mail address on my website at http://users.fvi.net/~C128User/default.htm.)