The GOP Nominee

Made a fortune incinerating babies.

Had big fundraiser at the home of the maker of the Morning After Pill just a couple of months ago.

Now talking about picking pro-abort Condi Rice for his running mate.

Look. I can grok the idea of voting for the guy on the theory that a patrician with zero interest in the issue that animate all us prolifers in flyover country will not, as Obama does, see himself as a missionary sent by the Zeitgeist to provide uplift to the savages. I totally get that people can decide it’s better to have an uncaring plutocrat than an apostate puritan filled with burning conviction.

What I cannot for the life of me understand is anybody who seriously believes for one second that Romney has an ounce of sincerity in his entire body when he claims to care about the unborn.

  • BobRN

    Mark,
    Respectfully, and regardless of the sincerity or lack thereof of Romney’s commitment to prolife concerns, the story to which you link under “Made a fortune incinerating babies” does not, in fact, provide any evidence of such. The writer *speculates* that Romney *may have* been involved in Bain at a time that Bain was investing in a company that cremated aborted fetuses, but only because Romney *may be* lying about when he left Bain. He offers no proof that he was. Also, the speculation that Condi Rice is on the list of possible VP picks is entirely that of the MSM. Rice made an appearance at a Republican gathering and the crowd went wild. It was then that the MSM started their own speculation about Rice being a viable VP candidate, not because there were any reports that Romney was considering her. The link you provide doesn’t say Romney’s talking about picking Rice, but only offers Limbaugh’s own speculation about Rice as a choice for VP.

    • Ted Seeber

      Not running the company is not equal to not profiting from the company.

      • TMLutas

        Stopstericycle has documentary proof that stericycle had fetus disposal work as far back as 2003. Romney claims he left bain in 1999 and his detractors say 2002. Do you see the timeline problem?

  • Dave G.

    That’s a good point, and I just happened to see the speculation tossed about myself. Romney, like any candidate, is keeping who he’s thinking of for VP close to the chest. Any ‘it could be this person’ is for the most part the stuff of the MSM and pundits. At this point, I’ve heard no one in the Romney campaign suggest anything of the sort. This is where we must be careful. It’s one thing to not like this or that person because of X. It’s another to build this dislike on nothing more than some very reputable gossip.

  • The Jerk

    Actually, Romney was getting killed in the news yesterday when documents surfaced linking him to Bain during a period he has said he quit the company. (Coincidentally, it is during this period Bain invested in the medical waste company that incinerated babies and the SEC documents has Romney’s signature.) So, his guys leak about Rice to Drudge to change the news cycle. It worked. Mark will be pope of Washington State before Rice is the VP. It was a stunt.

  • Chris M

    The Democrats are running an ad about how Romney wants to “overturn Roe v Wade” and will defund Planned Parenthood. Heh.. they keep playing that one over and over and I may just vote for Romney out of spite! ;)

  • http://chicagoboyz.net TMLutas

    After a murderer kills someone, what is the moral status of the funeral director that prepares the body and the cemetery that buries the body? There is no sin. Now moving closer to the actual medical company, they dreadfully disrespected the remains of these killed unborn. What, specifically, is the sin? Moving closer to Romney, He was asked suddenly to leave Bain and save the Olympics. He exited in 9 days, a tremendously quick pace for someone with complex affairs. The whole scenario is that Romney retained managerial control of Bain and wasn’t just fulfilling ministerial functions (signing filings) without control. So if he was just filling the seat until Bain could find a replacement because he’d utterly screwed them by leaving so quickly and he didn’t want to make things worse than necessary while he was saving the Olympics, what is his moral culpability if he’s telling the truth? What is the weight of evidence you’re saying is OK to associate someone with the medical waste company investment?

    By comparison, President Barak Obama (as a state senator) personally voted to keep partial birth abortion legal because the health exception to this ugly procedure wasn’t big enough for his taste.

    Gov. Romney was not my cup of tea in the primaries. He still isn’t, really. But he’s suitable for the dirty job of holding the country together while we dig out from under a lot of bad policy decisions. He will sometimes stand in the way of the digging. But he will be a far lighter burden than another four years of Obama.

    • Ted Seeber

      “After a murderer kills someone, what is the moral status of the funeral director that prepares the body and the cemetery that buries the body? ”

      Actually being respectful to the dead is a HUGE deal in the funeral director business. As opposed to what Stericycle does- puts the babies in garbage bags, then incinerates them (never checking if they’re alive or dead) then dumps the ashes in a landfill (graveyards would cut into profits).

      • TMLutas

        Under current law, graveyards would be illegal resting places. Reality is bad enough without suggesting that a company bears responsibility for a monstrous law. Don’t let the pols off the hook.

        • Tammy

          Burial laws vary state by state and the customs of what happens to fetal remains in in evolution. There was a time in many states where most losses <20 weeks gestation went to landfills. Laws have changed little by little towards the conservative as parent advocacy groups have become more vocal about how they want the remains of pregnancies handled.

          Before we go after Romney on this topic with torches and pitchforks, look in your own backyard…does your city have a respectful burial program for babies who die (often of natural causes) before they are born? If not are YOU willing to start one? If not, I don't see where you have room to criticize.
          Here is a piece I wrote on the topic:
          http://lifeandloss.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/respectful-burial-for-wee-ones/

          • Ted Seeber

            While my Knights council is just getting started- Respectful burial of the dead is a duty of every good Christian, and I’m going to keep this one in mind as a service we could start offering the community someday.

    • ivan_the_mad

      “Now moving closer to the actual medical company, they dreadfully disrespected the remains of these killed unborn. What, specifically, is the sin?” Speaking to this and not to anything involving Romney, put the following sections of the CotCC together to see that what these euphemistically labelled “medical waste” companies do with aborted babies is a sin:

      2297 … Except when performed for strictly therapeutic medical reasons, directly intended amputations, mutilations, and sterilizations performed on innocent persons are against the moral law.91

      CotCC: 2300 The bodies of the dead must be treated with respect and charity, in faith and hope of the Resurrection. The burial of the dead is a corporal work of mercy;92 it honors the children of God, who are temples of the Holy Spirit.

      Under 2301: The Church permits cremation, provided that it does not demonstrate a denial of faith in the resurrection of the body.93

      • TMLutas

        Aside from the addition of the specific language, this was also my understanding. Compared to Obama’s partial birth abortion vote, this is sin, but comparatively small. It is also a bit fuzzy as it is at least possible that stericycle landed PP as a client as late as 2003.

        • ivan_the_mad

          Like I said, I was speaking to what I quoted, which I took at face value, not about the brouhaha with Romney, and there certainly wasn’t a comparison with Obama in there.

          • http://chicagoboyz.net TMLutas

            Elections ultimately are about choices to fill posts so the government moves in a direction you would like it to move. All Catholics need to be educated as to how flawed the candidates are and also how to compare the flaws.

            • ivan_the_mad

              I have no idea who you’re having this conversation with. It certainly isn’t me.

  • http://disputations.blogspot.com Tom K.

    My guess: To be a player, you need to endorse; to endorse, you need to overlook a lot; to overlook a lot, you need to talk yourself into overlooking a lot; to talk yourself into overlooking a lot, you need to become a True Believer.

  • The Jerk

    Gee, is it wrong to make money, even passively, by incinerating aborted babies? Gosh, that’s a tough one. Who is to say what’s right or wrong anymore? Oh well, I guess we should just close our eyes and vote GOP.

    • TMLutas

      Is it even necessary to provide actual evidence before we condemn? There are two relevant questions that are unanswered. When did Romney leave Bain and when did Stericycle land planned parenthood as a client. The accusers don’t seem to have the goods on the second question and may be mistaken about the first too.

  • Confederate Papist

    I don’t know if there are any die hard Romney folks that are regulars on this blog. I know I’m not.

    I’ve been pretty vocal about USA politics are, and I had even considered writing in “Mickey Mouse”, “Jefferson Davis”, or “ME” for POTUS because the choices were not palatable to me.

    When the current regime declared war on my Church with the HHS Mandate, etc., I changed my mind. I will vote for “Rum-knee” even though I know he’s not my ideal candidate, while I still have the right to vote. The one thing I do know is that he has not declared war on the Church…but sadly, as I have said before, I don’t think he will win because there is too much corruption in the USA government and in the election process. The Empire needs an Emperor and they’ve pretty much decided it’s going to be Tyrant Obama.

    • Mark S (not for Shea)

      I’m pretty sure Mickey Mouse endorses gay marriage. ;-)

      • Gary Keith Chesterton

        Why isn’t there a “like” button anymore?!

    • Ted Seeber

      I’m convinced in Oregon I’ve never had a vote- which is why you’ll find me voting for third party candidates going back to Ross Perot.

  • astorian

    I have little use for or trust in Mitt Romney, but HE is not “talking about” Condi Rice as his Veep. OTHER people (most notably Matt Drudge) is talking about it.

    • Mark Shea

      I stand corrected. No doubt this rumor just popped up out of nowhere with no encouragement from the Romney campaign as they are testing the waters or anything.

  • John

    I do not trust Romney’s “conversion” to a pro-life stance, either. But I would far rather see an insincere prolifer in the White House than a commited pro-abortion president like we have. I will hold my nose and vote for Romney.

    • John C

      You don’t have to hold your nose. Just stand up straight and vote for the better candidate.

      • Ted Seeber

        The better candidate doesn’t exist. They’re all awful.

        • John C

          C’mon pal, put on your big boy pants and vote for Mitt.

          • Ted Seeber

            What good will it do? The Portland Liberals control my state- 51% of the population of Oregon is urban- and we all know who *THEY* will vote for. Why should I endanger my immortal soul for the sake of Romney?

    • Qualis Rex

      Hello John – I completely respect your position. I just cannot in good conscience vote for either candidate due to their pro-abortion stances (regardless of which one is more current or open about it). I just hope people (in particular the blogosphere) who claim to speak for Catholicism can understand both our positions here and not play the “well, if you REALLY Catholic…” speech.

      • Jmac

        Well Qualis, if you’re REALLY Catholic…

        …you’ll say exactly what you just did. Well put.

  • Elaine

    Well, I assumed that companies that make abortion related products like the morning after pill would have been trying to buy off GOP politicians for awhile. Maybe the prolife crowd needs to start lobbying, since it seems that is the way to get things done.

    Honestly I don’t expect much from either candidate on social issues. They remind me of how dead my conscience was before my baptism. I’m not calling them evil, I just think they have a weakened sense of morality and remorse. Neither has been baptized, correct?

    • Deadstop

      If Romney is a lifelong Mormon, then his baptism was not a valid one in the eyes of the Catholic Church. The President is some brand of Christian, so I would tend to presume he was baptized at some point unless we know for sure he was not.

      • Qualis Rex

        I am throughoughly unconvinced the president is “some brand of Christian”. He was Mohammedan in his childhood (i.e. he took Shehada, their form of “baptism”) and was later inducted into the church of the Rev Wright, which is very debateably no Christian at all; it is more Unitarian in nature than anything, meaning you can really believe whatever you want and still be a member in good standing.

        Personally, I believe Obama is an atheist. His actions and speech patterns would suggest he puts his own beliefs and decisions on par with God (i.e. his whole “we are called to be partners with God” speech). A Christian (or Mohammedan for that manner) would have said “servant” or “slave” of God but never partner. Regardless, we cannot expect anything from him from a moral standpoint, since his view of morality is completely foreign from that of Christianity.

  • http://www.ephesians4-15.blogspot.ca Randy

    McCain let the Christian Right choose his running mate. We got Sarah Palin mostly because she was pro-life. Now Romney needs to decide how much to consider the Christian Right in his choice of running mate. Can you blame him for at least considering going in another direction? Hopefully we end up with a pro-life running mate. Even if they lose it will raise the profile of whoever it is. But you can’t expect a pro-abort not even to be discussed. The political landscape is full of them.

    • jacobus

      Nope, we got Sarah Palin because gas as $4 a gallon in August and everyone thought the election would turn on gas prices, ala “Drill, baby, drill”. When those prices came down in the months before the election, we were all distracted by Palin’s ridiculousness and forgot about energy.

  • Zippy

    http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show/162557

    Douglas Adams, in _So Long and Thanks For All the Fish_

    “It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see…”
    “You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?”
    “No,” said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, “nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.”
    “Odd,” said Arthur, “I thought you said it was a democracy.”
    “I did,” said Ford. “It is.”
    “So,” said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, “why don’t people get rid of the lizards?”
    “It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. “They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.”
    “You mean they actually vote for the lizards?”
    “Oh yes,” said Ford with a shrug, “of course.”
    “But,” said Arthur, going for the big one again, “why?”
    “Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,” said Ford, “the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?”
    “What?”
    “I said,” said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, “have you got any gin?”
    “I’ll look. Tell me about the lizards.”
    Ford shrugged again.
    “Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happenned to them,” he said. “They’re completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone’s got to say it.”
    “But that’s terrible,” said Arthur.
    “Listen, bud,” said Ford, “if I had one Altairian dollar for every time I heard one bit of the Universe look at another bit of the Universe and say ‘That’s terrible’ I wouldn’t be sitting here like a lemon looking for a gin.”

    • Jmac

      Unfortunately, we now live in an age where there are a small but dedicated group of people actively trying to get rid of the lizards, but are constantly told they aren’t “realistic” because a non-lizard will never get elected. Also, voting for a non-lizard is exactly equivalent to voting for the wrong lizard.

      Do love the quote though :)

    • http://www.theleenmachine.blogspot.com KML

      There’s a frood who really knows where his towel is!

      • Jmac

        Have a pan-galactic gargle blaster, my friend.

  • John

    It takes at a minimum 2 years to prep for a run for the House. Probably 3-4 to prep for a run to win a Senate seat (and you need to be lucky, have the incumbent retire suddenly or go down to some big scandal). To be prepped for a run for POTUS you – and about 50,000 core supporters and money people have to be plotting, strategizing and planning for at least 4 years if not more. It helps if you’re already a Governor, war hero (general or colonel), and have run large complex but very influential agencies, corporations or other enterprises. In this sense, Obama was a complete anomaly (and it shows!). So….all those who don’t like Romney, but still consider themselves reasonably educated adults, had better be using their time and energy to find, vet, and support some candidate or a dozen right now, with an eye on 2016 and 2020. Or spend your time on your knees, networking like crazy locally, and stockpiling food, chickens, heirloom seeds, guns, ammo, and all manner of “what to pack for a new Dark Ages” kit. Standing around telling the rest of us that we’re stooopid for voting Romney ’cause it won’t matter as they’re all the same, is nice but annoying. As if we don’t know but also hope that the GOP is at least less worse and less likely to run the US into the wall as fast as the DNC before we’ve got a workable Plan B set up.

    • Ted Seeber

      At this point, it won’t matter- by 2016 we’ll be either living in a dictatorship or in a Mad Max Scenario.

      • TMLutas

        You have a breathtakingly limited imagination on how this country can go.

        • Qualis Rex

          Agreed. Very lame.

        • Ted Seeber

          On how low? How do you get lower than barbarism?

  • Zippy

    Don’t forget the gin. Though I prefer scotch.

    Voting for the lesser evil isn’t the same thing as voting for less evil. It is just voting for more evil at a boil-the-frog pace.

    That’s a lesson I don’t expect our civilization to learn the easy way though.

    • Ted Seeber

      Our civilization is headed quickly into barbarism. It’s far too late to learn any lessons from it at all. The time to learn the lesson was during England’s economic collapse of 1910-1940, but instead we did the exact same thing they did. Look forward to permanent 10% average unemployment for the next 100 years.

    • Mark Shea

      I am stealing this.

      • Zippy

        Please do. :)

  • Observer

    Romnee’s visit to an exec’s house does not equate to support (indirectly or directly) of abortin babies. Frost’s first company was Ivax. Under that company, generic and vet (for pets) medications were developed and produced. Later, T.e.v.a (the company in question because of the morn-after-pill) bought out his company and brought it into their active-ingredient division which also produces prescription medications (i.e. pravastatin, etc.) So, Romnee’s association does not mean actual support for an abortificient provider since they produce other goods which do not conflict the greater common good (i.e. as one’s health.)

    • Ted Seeber

      By that logic, no investor is ever responsible for the companies he invests in or what they do. Sounds like the heresy of limited liability to me.

  • Observer

    The correction, on the other hand, does not even suggest in the slightest that one ought to vote for him. I’d rather say the comment was to point to and steer people towards something much more crucial and important as to why one might not vote for him. In other words, his stance with pro-life is not in total contradiction since he (like Pontius Pilate) seems to clean his hands of any wrong doing (whenever the moment and opportunity comes.) The real issus is he will only sweep Obam’s mess under the carpet and will get returned the severity of the demmocrats. If he wins, there may be a severe re-actioned push from his opposition in congress and end up leading a legacy of never getting anything done (as what happened when he was in Mass.)

  • John

    The thing I can’t understand is what those who pooh pooh voting for federal officers would have us do, other than sit outside being snarky and tossing occasional “harrumphs, they’re all evil” aspersions. OK fine, you don’t like either party. Take a number. But what alternative course of action shall we take? If “nothing” then say so. But if the country is doomed then “doing nothing” is not a moral stand either. If the ship is going down we need to man the life boats. That’s called “mitigating the disaster that is unavoidable”. And on that train of thought there are quite a lot of “therefores” and “whatfores” which need consideration and serious thought/effort. As an optimist I hope a GOP win will only serve to slow the collapse a few more years for the selfish reason that I don’t think my family is ready for full on collapse/dictatorship by 2013, thank you very much. Given a good 3-5 year window due to a President Romney, and we may just have the bare bones outline of “a decent plan” including off shore options and good old “lets be gypsies/refugees on the move” option so many of our ancestors successfully employed to stay out of the oligarchs and anarchists’ way.

    • Qualis Rex

      My take on it is you voice your opinion. when you get the phone call from your local Republican HQ asking if you will do “X” (i.e. give money) for candidate “Y” you say, “no, because I do not believe candidate “Y”s position represents my views or those of the Republican platform.” If you do not make your voice known, they will continue to put up sloppy, inadequate and unqualified candidates who do not represents you.

      I have always been a champion of a multiple-party system, specifically one which represents Christian ideals (i.e. a “Christian” party) in the US. But the powers that be are benefitting quite well from the current 2-party system as is, so I doubt we will see this anytime soon.

    • Ted Seeber

      This is why I joined Knights of Columbus, to start building lifeboats.

  • Zippy

    Obviously, keep voting for the lizards. Otherwise the wrong lizard might win.

    • Dave G.

      If you don’t like the alternatives, perhaps you should change the system.

      • Zippy

        I am, and I have been, for quite a number of years now. One refusenik anti-democracy convert at a time, I’m convincing a small number of people not to vote for the lizards. Perhaps some day, maybe even posthumously, it will be a large number; who knows? That’s in God’s hands, along with, well, everything else.

        If you don’t want to change the system, though, keep right on voting for the lizards.

        • Dave G.

          Both being acceptable approaches. At least according to the Bishops.

          • Zippy

            That the Church doesn’t explicitly prohibit X is hardly a ringing endorsement of anything and everything X. The church doesn’t explicitly prohibit all sorts of crazy beliefs and practices.

            So, it is “acceptable” in the sense that it is “acceptable” – not morally wrong – to sincerely believe in young earth creationism or geocentrism or any number of other crazy things, sure.

            So go ahead and vote for the lizards. If you don’t, the wrong lizard might get in.

            • Dave G.

              Actually, the Bishops seem to suggest that not voting at all is the really big departure from the norm. Otherwise, it appears that the Bishops allow for various possibilities, and we’re usually at our best when we leave it at that. Some could find fault in a host of different approaches. So again, best to just take the Bishops at their word, since I’m sure they’re aware of the various ways people might see such things.

  • Mark S. (not for Shea)

    “…by 2016 we’ll be either living in a dictatorship or in a Mad Max Scenario.”

    I’ve been hearing that since 1980. And I still don’t have my cool helmet as I roar through the desert highways, fighting for justice.

    • Ted Seeber

      I own a cool helmet. But that’s due to the way my Asperger’s handles sunshine and hot weather.

      What I do have instead of a fast car- 2 years worth of food stored.

  • Mark S. (not for Shea)

    “Our civilization is headed quickly into barbarism.”

    PET PEAVE:

    I’ll take the “barbarians” over “civilization” any day of the week and three times on Sundays.

    These concepts come from . the Romans, whose civitas fell into government corruption, orgies, slavery, and tyranny. All while they looked down their patrician noses at the “barbarians,” who had very tight-knit family groups and very strict codes of behavior and honor.

    Our culture could learn a lot from the barbarians.

    • Ted Seeber

      My culture is the Church- which learned enough to preserve, protect, and create civilization right up until the Protestant Rebellion.

  • http://crudeideas.blogspot.com Crude

    What I cannot for the life of me understand is anybody who seriously believes for one second that Romney has an ounce of sincerity in his entire body when he claims to care about the unborn.

    Yeah, but who’s saying they buy Mitt’s sincerity on pro-life issues? At best, pragmatic people think he’ll bend the pro-life way as payment for their support. With Obama, this isn’t even an option.

    • http://chicagoboyz.net TMLutas

      Actually, I think he simply won’t spend political capital fighting for the pro-choicers. Neutrality is a big step up from our present situation. Anything actually pro-life is an unexpected bonus in my book.

  • Koz

    This is rich. The Catholic faithful, as it were, is slightly pro-choice 50/45 or some such. Republicans are much clearer on the subject, 70/30 prolife. Mitt Romney is a pro-life Republican.

    Catholics who have credibility on abortion or want it strongly tend to vote Republican and associate with Republicans, especially as it relates to abortion. Those who instinctively recoil against the Republican Party tend to be double-talking hacks like Nancy Pelosi or neo-Communist Drinanite toads.

    • Ted Seeber

      “Mitt Romney is a pro-life Republican.”

      And if you believe that, perhaps you’ll be interested in this deed to a bridge I’ve got…..

  • Eoin Suibhne

    “I totally get that people can decide it’s better to have an uncaring plutocrat than an apostate puritan filled with burning conviction.”

    Indeed. So did C.S. Lewis: “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

    And to think, I once had a career in politics. So glad to be done with that.

    • Ted Seeber

      CS Lewis never had to deal with the automation of the robber barons- their evil is so simple that it now never sleeps.

  • Tammy

    I posted something above but I am concerned that it will get lost in the shuffle.

    I am surprised by the strength of condemnation for Romney for having any association with the disposition of fetal remains but in our culture, very few places provide respectful burial for babies that die prior to birth even the ones who die of natural causes.

    It is common knowledge that 20% of all pregnancies end in early loss and most states done require burial before 20 weeks gestation up to a million per year – what do you think happens to them and what are YOU willing to do to change it?

    Even in you live in a town without a single abortion clinic, if your hospital / city does not have a burial program then there are plenty of babies not getting a respectful burial on a regular basis…in your city. Before we condemn Romney or the company he used to be assoc with, we need to be willing to create places where women who suffer early loss (or later pregnancy loss) can turn to when they suffer a pregnancy loss.

    Here is a piece I wrote on it…http://lifeandloss.wordpress.com/2012/06/08/respectful-burial-for-wee-ones/

  • Nonymous`

    Obamney is amoral on pro-life issues, which means that anti-life policies will be his go-to move for compromising with the Lefter segment of The United States Party, or mollifying the media. Robama is consistently anti-life, which means putting life issues front and center is good politics and fundraising for the Lesslefter segment of The Party. Sometimes you’re better with an enemy in the White House than a President who can’t remember what those protesters at the airport were upset over.

  • Zippy

    The truth of the statement “It is morally acceptable to do X out of a sincere belief that X is sane and prudent” says nothing about whether X is in fact sane and prudent.

    • Dave G.

      True, which then comes down to a fair topic where good Catholics of good faith can agree to disagree.

  • Zippy

    Sure, to the same extent that geocentrism or young earth creationism are fair topics about which good Catholics of good faith can agree to disagree. I don’t think some people realize how ridiculously broad a category that is, and how many ludicrous beliefs fit within it.

    And of course, good Catholics are under no obligation to adopt the “shut up, already” posture formulated as “agree to disagree”.

    That it is morally acceptable to vote for the Obama-lizard if one sincerely believes that doing so is sane and prudent, as long as one does not formally cooperate in any of the evil policies of the Obama-lizard, establishes _nothing whatsoever_ about the sanity or prudence of voting for lizards.

    • Dave G.

      And of course, not all beliefs I don’t agree with are the same as believing in a flat earth.

      • Zippy

        True enough. I happen to think that advocating voting for the lizards (wouldn’t want the wrong lizard to get in!) requires a kind of blindness similar to the ideological blindness of the flat-earther. But I’m most definitely in the minority in holding that view. For now.

  • Peggy R

    Well, as others have noted, attributing Condi Rice to Mitt is wrong. I don’t know about the Plan B exec fundraiser. I have read a thorough debunking of Mitt and Bain’s involvement with the Steril…whatever and its disposal of aborted babies at NRO. The whole Bain story is a lie and insult to Mit. While I think he’s a decent ethical man, I know he’s not a strong conservative as we are. O is trying to taint Mitt with pro-lifers to reduce their turn out. Also, in the coming weeks, we get to remember what a “hero” Mitt was to drop Bain on short notice and save the ’02 SLC Olympics from the financial and ethical disaster it was becoming. Mitt will be in London as will Meechelle. What has O saved in the past 3 years? Don’t believe what you read from the O stenographers.
    http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/309400/obama-attack-coming-down-road-stericycle

    • Ted Seeber

      Of course, if you follow the Standard American Conservative Morality instead of Catholic Morality, “I am only responsible for my sins, not the sins of the people I give money to” is a standard axiom.

  • Joseph

    I must admit, I can’t understand it either.


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