Hilarious to Watch People Try to Control Francis

Currently, the panic in various watering holes for the Combox Magisterium is over the question of whether or not it was “sacrilege” for him to offer to God a beach ball given him by some joyful kids at WYD.

Next topics of discussion in the Combox Magisterium:

The Little Drummer Boy: Should the Church crack down on musicians who dare to commit the sacrilege of offering non-polyphonic music to God Almighty?

Our Lady’s Tumblers: Sacrilegious insult to the dignity of True True Purely Pure Reverence?

Francis will, thank God, continue to be his simple self and continue to be oblivious to the image masseurs. I love this guy so much. What an unexpected gift he is to the Church.

And he’s making life rough for the moneylenders in the Temple too. Go Pope go!

  • Nathan L

    I think its great that he gives the things given to him, back to God. Made me smile tonight, a much needed smile.

    • ivan_the_mad

      Well said!

  • James H, London

    When I saw the footage of his return from WYD, and F1 put the ball on the altar, I bethought meself: Someone’s gonna have a cow!

  • ivan_the_mad

    I understand paper mitres are selling like hotcakes.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=734862248 Dan Hydar

      Or it mitre not. Since vatican.va lauched, there’s been a decrease in Paper Bulls. This mitre be the end of the Papercy as we know it.

      • Stu

        Well played, sir. Well played.

  • HeatherRenshaw

    Now he just needs to help the Catholic Church take back the Catholc schools in America.

  • David

    Easy perhaps in this instance to be critical of the critics. I haven’t yet heard mention on this site of the use of plastic drinking cups as ciboria for WYD Mass. From the pics and videos I’ve seen this seems to have been the plan and not a matter of unforeseen exigent necessity. Anyone interested in laying odds on whether all those little plastic cups were purified so that sacrilege was not committee?
    I know, I know, I am a narrow-minded Pharisee more concerned with rubrical minutiae than with admitting that God really doesn’t care how we handle the Blessed Sacrament.

    • chezami

      If you want to be upset about it, knock yourself out. This a post about Francis, not about the people in charge of the logistics for WYD. Personally, I think it was a dumb idea. I also think that God is merciful. Trads, not so much. I don’t think trying to pin Cupgate on Francis is a fruitful use of time though. However, Trads seem to have lots of time for hating Francis, so this seems as good an excuse as any.

      • Stu

        Where did David blame the Pope?

        • chezami

          Why did he bring it up. The post is about the Pope, not about liturgical abuse at WYD. Ergo, in dragging it into the conversation, he seems to think that somehow this incident is germane to what I should think of Pope Francis.

          • Stu

            He brought it up because he is concerned. He cares about the Eucharist (as do you). Perhaps in his mind, how we treat the Body of Christ should be of greater importance than people who are upset about a beach ball.

            I might also point out, that addressing what people actually say is more productive than addressing what you attempt to read into their comments. Not only is this more charitable, but it will usually end up in more productive dialogue, understanding and perhaps even friendship. Communication in the low-fidelity world of commboxes is very difficult. No need to make it tougher.

            You seemed very concerned yesterday about discussing Pewsitter because some of your readers emailed you with questions. Well, this is the same thing. Perhaps you addressing the issue of liturgical abuse to include the poor showing at WYD, without making light of those who are concerned about such things, could, if done right, be helpful.

            • chezami

              Baloney. He brought it up so he could land a punch.

              • Stu

                Mark,

                That is exactly the lens I have come to expect you to see things through every time. And quite frankly, its because that is exactly your MO.

                But let’s assume you are correct. What do you want to achieve next? Return the punch?

                Or, take the opportunity to show a different tact, acknowledge the truth in what he says and direct it in a productive manner?

                Yes, I suppose commbox pugilism can be “fun” but doesn’t really accomplish much. I think your tools and talent can do so much more.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=734862248 Dan Hydar

            Actually, the post is about **combox complainers**, not about the Pope. That’s why the subject is “Hilarious to Watch People…” and not “The Pope did…”.

            It’s quite fair to argue that some complaints may well have merit while others don’t.

  • Joe

    What kind of joyless, stuck-up prigs would see a problem with offering God a beach ball that is a symbol of the joy that the kids at WYD had? I suppose placing a skateboard a child was riding when he was hit by a car on the alter would be equally sacrilegious if it were a symbol of sorrow for the parents?

    • pjm

      It was inappropriate.

  • Michelle

    These are the same people who would be screaming “Sacrilege!” while the Blessed Virgin wiped sweat from the brow of her juggling monk who offered up his juggling and tumbling (from his prior life as a circus performer) as a gift to her on her feast day.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Jongleur_de_Notre_Dame

    • Rebecca Fuentes

      Have you ever seen Tomi De Paola’s version of this, “The Clown of God”? My kids love it, but I can’t read it without crying.

  • TheodoreSeeber

    This reminds me of the basic rule of thumb in my archdiocese.

    Liturgical dance is legitimate when it involves the whole congregation either prior to or after the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass including the Liturgy of the Word (that is, outside of the time between the processional and the recessional). Liturgical dance is illegitimate when a performer interrupts the Mass for an interpretive dance.

    Many Traditionalists hate that- but I know a lot of local hispanic communities that downright embrace it.

    • Rebecca Fuentes

      I believe the traditional dancing processional for Our Lady of Guadalupe, which the dancers and congregation preform on the way to mass (not during the mass), is probably why it’s more likely to be seen within the Hispanic community. It’s worth going to.

  • Andy, Bad Person

    My first thought on the beach ball thing was “That’s odd. I think it’s weird to place it there on the altar.”

    The second thing I thought was “He’s the pope, and is probably thinking (and praying) about something that I have no clue about.” Maybe, just maybe, we should trust him?

    • Stu

      I think that is good advice and I had a similar initial thoughts. Good way to share that with others as well who have similar questions.

    • JET55118

      Anyone who is part of a Pinocchio Mass can’t be trusted.

      • Andy, Bad Person

        What does that even mean?

        • JET55118

          This video explains it all. It’s of Cardinal Bergoglio presiding over a Pinnochio Mass in 2011 in Argentina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwS9umpEkvs If you don’t think there is something seriously wrong with this, I am don’t know what to say.

          • Andy, Bad Person

            Look, I’m not a big fan of those Masses, either, but whining about it and saying such things as “[the pope] is not to be trusted” doesn’t help anyone. It makes you look like a bitter traddy when what the world needs is happy trads. No one wants to be with a group of miserable whiners.

            You’re part of the problem, too.

            • HornOrSilk

              The thing is, it was a youth celebration, trying to help encourage them to be excited for the faith. The people who complain about this would have fits if they knew what liturgy REALLY was like in the middle ages, especially during festivals. They have very limited knowledge of history.

              • JET55118

                So you were there in the middle ages? Please tell me about it . . .

                • HornOrSilk

                  So, you don’t think we have records from the Middle Ages now? You keep going further and further into your ignorance here. And you DARE attack the Pope?

                  • JET55118

                    Sorry, Popes have done bad things. It happens. It shouldn’t shake your faith.

                    • HornOrSilk

                      Doesn’t answer anything, Jet. You attack the Pope in ignorance. You don’t know if it is something to be critical or not. When pointed out, you say “Well, Popes have done bad things.” Sure, but you also said you don’t trust anyone who does things which are not necessarily “bad things.” Seriously, get the beam out of your eye. Please.

                    • pjm

                      We’re not living in the Middle Ages.

            • JET55118

              How boring- every time someone points out a liturgical abuse by the Pope they are labeled a “bitter traddy” and a whiner. I think you need to read some books- it’s not whining, it’s sadness and anger at the treatment of Christ.

          • Hezekiah Garrett

            Obviously, if a homily is not as boring as possible, there is a problem!

          • chezami

            ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

      • HornOrSilk

        The Holy Spirit can’t be trusted? Or do you deny the Holy Spirit’s presence allowing for transubstantiation to occur?

        • JET55118

          Clearly, not every action of the Pope’s is guided by the Holy Spirit. Not sure if Transubstantiation is done by operation of the Holy Spirit. I’d have to check into that.

          • HornOrSilk

            Basically, you have no clue to theology and the tradition of the Church, and you think you have a right to attack the Pope? Really?

            You don’t know the Holy Spirit is at work in the sacraments? That is rather basic. It has nothing to do with whether or not every action is guided by the Spirit. You said you couldn’t trust anyone present at such a liturgy. The Holy Spirit IS present during the consecration (as is Christ… er wait… are you Christian?)

          • Andy, Bad Person

            Yes, transubstantiation is an act of the Holy Spirit – it is called epiclesis. I’ve read about it in books.

            • JET55118

              I was not sure if it was exclusively by operation of the Holy Spirit or the Trinity. Thanks for the insight.

            • JET55118

              Actually looks like you’re wrong- the Epiklesis is a prayer, not the actual operation of transubstantiation.

              • Andy, Bad Person

                Yes, and the word “pedantic” means “overly concerned with minute details or formalisms.”

  • TheodoreSeeber

    2nd thing it reminds me of is a Koan from the Platform Sutra:

    The Sixth Patriarch and a monk were walking along the road, and had to cross a river at a ford. A lady dressed in finery needed to also cross, but her dress would be ruined if she did. The Sixth Patriarch lifted her and carried her across the river. The Sixth Patriarch and the Monk continued their journey in silence for several miles until they came to the monastery where they would be spending the night. The monk asked “It is our order’s tradition to never touch a woman. Why did you carry the lady across the river?” The Sixth Patriarch answered “I set her down at the riverbank. Why are you still carrying her?”

    Pope Francis set the Beach Ball and the Blazer down at the altar of Our Lady. Why are you still carrying them?

  • Dan Li

    Wasn’t polyphony considered a spiritual danger by some in the early middle ages? To much sound that obstructed hearing and understanding words?

    • Andy, Bad Person

      Not exactly. The objection to polyphony was that it obstructed the clarity of the text being sung. Palestrina’s contribution to the field was that his style was exceedingly clear, which is why he is exaggeratedly called the “savior of Church music.”

      It was never considered a spiritual danger. Just a practical one.

  • JET55118

    So the Magi give Christ Gold, Frankincense, and myrrh and Pope Francis gives him a beach ball and a soccer jersey. Only a Jesuit could do something like that.

    • chezami

      Unclench your sphincter.

    • Andy, Bad Person

      Actually, every time he offers Mass, the Pope, in the person of Christ, offers the perfect sacrifice of the Son to the Father. Every time.

    • Beadgirl

      And the widow gave her mite. And the little drummer boy gave a song. Something tells me God cares less about the monetary value or prestige of a gift, and more about the intention behind it.

    • NDaniels

      Let us not make lite of the signs of the Time we are living in, The Great Falling Away.

  • JET55118

    I want to apologize to everyone for my comments about Francis. They were stupid and rash things to say. I was frustrated and angered by his actions, but in the end I was in the wrong and there are no excuses. Although I think his actions were bad and probably sacrilegious, but I deeply regret the way I expressed those opinions.

  • NDaniels

    “There is nothing hidden that won’t be revealed”, in God’s Time. Stay Awake!


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