Compare and Contrast

Democracy: The Form of Government that Gives Us What We Want: Barabbas.

Christ: The King Who Saves Us from What We Deserve

  • Dave G.

    At the rate we’re going, the good news is our kids and their kids probably aren’t going to be burdened by the flaws of democracy.

  • kirthigdon

    Anti-democracy and pro-monachy! Mark, you’re sounding like one of us reactionaries. Welcome to the club! Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn couldn’t have put it better than you just did; in fact, that is pretty much how he put it. BTW, I love how politically incorrect and anti-modern the Lord’s Prayer is – calling for patriachy, monarchy, and complete obediene to the will of God just in the first few phrases.

    Kirt Higdon

    • Catholic Fast Food Worker

      Well, Mark Shea is actually correct. Mr. kirthigdon, If you read the Gospels, it’s clear Christ Jesus came to this world as a King- to fulfill King David, to be greeted by expensive Gifts (of Gold, frankincense, myrrh) from foreign dignitaries (Magi) at his humble & poor birth (Incarnation), to become “King of the Jews” at His death on Cross (Crucifixion), to enter Holy Jerusalem on a lowly Donkey greeted by people with Palms. Jesus also is 100% clear that to be saved, we must enter a KINGdom (“Heavenly Kingdom of GOD”), which implies that there must be a King. To herald the Heavenly Kingdom was the true Gospel (Good News) of Jesus the Christ (“Anointed One”). So kirthigdon, if you want to be saved eternally you must accept His Monarchy by both word (“every shall bend at His Holy Name”) and by how you live your life. But Christ is clear that His Kingdom is NOT like any kingdom of this world (whether Herod’s, Nero’s, Hitler’s, Putin’s, Obama’s). This heavenly Monarchy is headed by One Master who freely became a SERVANT (even unto death) for our sake. He wants no Violence against our human enemies (unlike many power-hungry rulers), in fact, Christ the KING commands us to LOVE our human ENEMIES.

      • kirthigdon

        I couldn’t agree with you more, CFFW. Nor did I disagree with what Mark said; I enthusiastically endorsed it.

        Kirt Higdon

        • Catholic Fast Food Worker

          Mr. kirthigdon, hello! I just re-read your post. I didn’t realize in a was tongue-in-cheek post. (I feel dumb; I’m horrible at reading moods on internet forums.) If that’s the case, then, let us say together with the Saints & Martyrs in Heaven with one voice: “Que Viva Cristo Rey!”

  • Mark S. (not for Shea)

    The US is now a democracy in name only. We’re an oligarchy.
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    If you’re a corporation or a billionaire and can afford to hire an army of lobbyists and lawyers, then our government is working just fine for you. If you’re a commoner, you have no voice in government anymore. Who you vote for doesn’t matter, because once the candidate is in office, the only voices they heed are those sending them checks.
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    And for the record, we don’t have the voters to thank for that. We have the Supreme Court, none of whom are elected officials.

  • Mark R

    Mob rule (vide Barrabas) is not to be confused with democracy, which has many faults too.
    The U.S. was not meant to be a democracy, but a republic. It was founded by upper middle to upper class men who at least had some self-effacing and moderating qualities from their Christian and English upbringing.
    God became man in Christ…that is the kind of democracy I like.

    • Catholic Fast Food Worker

      Mr. R, I agree with much of your points. But originally, in Ancient Greece (especially the Polis or city-state of Athens), Democracy (from “Demos” people + “-rule”) was actually sort of associated with mob rules. “Demagogues” (strong leaders, usually with military backgrounds) would tell mobs of people what they wanted to hear, even if at times it was not what they SHOULD hear. People followed demagogues. Democracy was in competition with monarchy, technocracy, & Tyranny (which was a little different than what we now think). Democracy won, & Athenians later tuned it up a little better. It became a Mob rule but with more deliberative & discourse-like nature.

  • Mark R

    CFFW,
    In ancient Greece differect synthetic tribes (demoi) took turns in day to day administration. The closest thing we have to this in the US is jury duty.
    If I recall demagoguery was what arose in Rome with Catiline and such like him.


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