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You’ve established that American police are increasingly handpicked murderous psychopaths who are part of an out of control and wicked police state. And goodness knows you have the readers who gladly share in the proclamation. Now what?
As long as people like you and our elected leaders continue pretending otherwise, we should continue publicizing the fact that cops and prison guards are mostly pro-murder.
Again, your hatred of police is noted, and just the type of thing posts like this seem to encourage.
I don’t hate cops and prison guards. I just don’t think they should murder people, or tolerate it when their co-workers murder people.
I also don’t think, e.g., baristas should murder people or support their co-workers who murder people. Baristas, unlike cops and prison guards, don’t routinely murder people with impunity, so I don’t often have much call to express my disdain for murderous baristas.
Most people, including most cops, don’t think cops should murder people. And yes, it’s not surprising that Baristas don’t murder people as often as cops, just like it’s not unusual that baristas have fewer accidents involving trucks than truck drivers. It’s the nature of the law enforcement profession that when things go horribly wrong, or evil is done, the results are more along the lines of what we see here. Your problem is you’re trying to draw a line from ‘cops who do horrible evil are bad’ to ‘all cops are somehow guilty.’ An argument often made about the Catholic Church in light of the abuse scandal, and typically by people who hate the Church, since most people who don’t hate the Church can see the obvious differences between bad priests and the Church in general. Just like those who don’t hate cops can typically see why all cops are not somehow guilty of the crimes of some.
If you click through to the Miami Herald story about this, you’ll see that the Florida Dept of Corrections, the Dade County M.E., and the Dade county cops have ignored repeated complaints relating to prison abuse. The murder of Darren Rainey happened two years ago, and the ME, the cops, and the DOC haven’t done anything about it. They’re willfully ignoring physical abuse, including murder.
I can say with absolute confidence that every single guard at that prison supports murder. The Dade County cops and ME condone murder, so long as guards are doing it to inmates. The Florida Dept. of Corrections is ran by someone who condones murder, and based on how their employees behave, I’d say they all condone murder as well. The guards are all part of a union; this union lobbies to protect the jobs of murderers. If the prison guards pay their union dues, they’re paying dues that go to make sure their murderous colleagues have the opportunity to kill again.
If there was a priests’ union, and it had spent the 80s and 90s making sure that abusive priests had access to children, I would have similar contempt for priests who paid their union dues. I have similar contempt for the priests, bishops, religious, and laypeople who helped protect abusive priests.
The difference is that in 2002 when this broke open, the Vatican imposed significant reforms aimed at keeping abusive priests from abusing again. Most states extended the statute of limitations to make it easier to impose civil and criminal liability on abusers. When reports of police violence happen, the cops are punished only with a paid vacation. We are instead told that we should defer to cops’ “split-second” decisions, and cops’ and prison guards’ unions successfully lobby to be better shielded from liability. If cops responded to abuse internally the same way the Church is now, I wouldn’t have such contempt for cops. If the world externally responded to abuse by cops with half as much vigor as it responded to abuse by the Church, I wouldn’t have as much contempt for cops.
Two years! And not even an autopsy! This isn’t an isolated case of corruption. This is the Dade County government and the Florida state government willfully tolerating murder.
ETA: There’s a difference between the Church and bad priests. 1.) The Church exists independently; even if the Pope murdered and ate babies, his authority would exist ex opere operato. Cops aren’t ordained as cops. There’s no ex opere operato for cops.
2.) Most of the Church didn’t support abusive priests. Most of the Church didn’t even know. Most cops support abusive cops, at least insomuch as they work alongside them and pay union dues to protect them, knowing that their union supports them. If most parishioners lobbied to make sure abusive priests had access to kids, they would be in the same position as most cops.
And again, if there is a case of cover up or corruption, then by all means. And maybe all guards and cops and elected officials there are corrupt. Again, prosecute away. Just like when we discover cases of multiple priests abusing children and widespread systemic attempts to cover it up. Prosecute away. But don’t think it means therefore all priests or Bishops are supportive of it, even if they focus on mercy and forgiveness for the perpetrators. Same with the cops. No matter how many cases come to light. Those without an inborn hatred of the Church (cops) will understand that. Those with the hatred? Nothing will convince them otherwise. Which is why 100% focus on the bad and never the good is seldom a wise course of action.
Do you seriously think that violence by cops is over-reported on? Are you f—-ing kidding me? Is Mark Shea your only source of news? I can see how you would get that impression if this was literally your only interaction with the outside world. Otherwise, you’re a disingenuous liar.
I’ll believe cop violence is over-reported when our legal system stops giving them near absolute immunity and starts putting these murderers where they belong.
I know that most priests and bishops aren’t supportive of abuse, because since 2002 they’ve set up significant reforms to prevent abuse. I can’t say the same about the Bishops in the 80s and 90s. It’s not mercy or forgiveness to let the perpetrators of child sex abuse continue to have access to children. If anything, letting perpetrators have access to kids is by far the cruelest thing you can do to them.
Similarly, not punishing the guards who murdered Rainey is evil. It’s evil not just because Rainey’s death deserves punishment; it’s evil because you’re hurting the guards by helping them murder again. I’ll believe that the cops aren’t pro-murder when they start doing something about working alongside murderers, and when they stop lobbying for more legal protection for murderers.
Uh, yeah. Though I was referencing the tendency here to not have any positive stories about cops to balance it out. But I hear plenty of these stories from the news. Our local station had a whole series recently on cops out of control. And yes, cops are punished at times. Not all get away with murder. Meaning that the most we can say is that those who do such things are bad and should be punished and those who try to cover it up are wrong. Anything else, any attempt to impugn all in law enforcement (or priests and bishops in the Church’s situation), and it’s just adding fluff. Or hate as the case may be.
Do you have any positive stories about cops you want to share to balance out this one? Maybe “Dade County Prison Guards Hygiene Program a Huge Success” or maybe an Upworthy-style “Cop vows to clean up Dade county – you won’t believe what happens next!”? Are there any positive stories that balance out stewing a man alive?
Our bishops during the 80s who shielded abusers – the Mahoneys, the Weaklands, etc. – they absolutely deserve all the contempt they can get, and probably more. Cops who shield murderous cops deserve all the contempt they can get.
Maybe cops risking their lives to save innocents from a home intruder? Cops stopping by side of road to help deliver baby? Cop stopping to resuscitate dying man? There’s three from the last couple weeks off the top of my head. As well as cases of cops doing horrible things like this. Again, you can’t argue with someone who hates the Church, because nothing will convince them otherwise. The Church is not the only subject where that is true.
How many babies do you have to help deliver to offset cooking a man alive? What’s the exchange rate?
No one would be stupid or evil enough to say that because the Church has charity programs, it’s okay when bishops turn a blind eye to abuse. Would anyone be stupid or evil enough to say “why are you reporting on child sex abuse, rather than on this food bank?” As long as there’s child sex abuse, it should be reported on, and the contemptible men and women who tolerate it should be hounded until they do something about it. As long as there’s abuse by cops, it should be reported on, and the contemptible cops who tolerate it should be hounded until they do something about it.
Wow. Healthy babies are suddenly not a big deal. Especially if you’re already guilty by accusation. Done. You’ve demonstrated my point better than I ever could. Either Mark shares you’re view or he might want to rethink his approach to the topic.
“Let’s you and him fight”. Cute, Dave.
Wow Mark, you skip the ‘all cops are murderers or gleefully support murder’ comments to comment on my observation that these posts tend to encourage that attitude?
Wow, Dave. You try to blame me for stuff some guy in a combox writes. I’m busy at this end. Take care of your own arguments.
I’m saying Mark that when you post these, this is what you’re getting. Try some ‘good cop’ stories to mix it in. At least those who see these posts as a chance to spew hatred at an entire profession will realize you don’t see it that way. You can’t control what they say, but you can make it crystal clear that you don’t endorse it by showing you are against cops who do such things, not cops in general.
Maybe cops and prison should try not murdering people. I don’t see why you would blame Shea for this and not the guards who stewed a man alive. When prison guards stew a man to death, or when cops set a baby on fire and blow a hole in his chest because they can’t look where they’re throwing their grenade, it isn’t Mark Shea’s fault that people hate them for it. It’s their fault. If cops don’t want to be associated with murderous thugs, they should try not associating with murderous thugs.
It’s not Mark’s fault for sharing these stories. It’s the cops’ fault for being a bunch of murderous thugs (or for protecting those co-workers which are). Likewise, it isn’t the New York Times fault when ISIS kills people in Iraq and they report on it. It isn’t a history book’s fault that the reformation happened.
What positive stories could balance that out? The only positive story that could balance it out would be either “Cops resign en masse rather than work for a department that condones murder” or “Police union lobbies to have cops lose their legal immunity.”
I’m just curious what the exchange rate is.
Also, if it’s fair to generalize helping deliver babies to all cops, why not also generalize setting babies on fire with grenades to all cops?
I wasn’t. You asked for examples of positive stories. I gave a couple from the news last few weeks. Obviously you really didn’t care about the examples. Hatred seldom does.
Does that balance anything out?
and your proof for such an allegation is…what?
ETA: Cops routinely get away with murder and with using excessive force. Their unions stand up for them. Their departments stand up for them. If you worked at any other job, and you found out that your union and your employer protected murderers, and went to great lengths to make sure they can kill again, would you keep paying your dues? Would you keep working for that employer? Cops, by paying their union dues, are financially supporting murderers and criminals, the same murderers and criminals they ostensibly protect us from. When cops start withholding union dues or demanding that their brothers in blue be punished for murder, I’ll stop saying that cops are pro-murder.
The most worrisome part is that we hear so many of these stories from Florida because the have REALLY comprehensive public disclosure laws. Makes me wonder what is going on in all the other states where it is easier for them to conceal their actions.
He possessed cocaine instead of a gun. So if it was a gun – and I have read your gun control uber alles posts – would his scalding to death have been ok with you? I wish there were simple, direct, easy solutions to great evils. And there are! But all involve even greater evils.
And with that moronic question, you’re gone.
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