teaching then and now

Teaching then and now.

It’s exhausting listening to some of the preaching and teaching out there today. If there’s anything clear from scripture it’s that people didn’t have a clue. At least that initiated some pretty interesting thought and discussion. Not that we want to go back there.

But at least… where’s the Mystery?

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About David Hayward

David Hayward runs the blog nakedpastor as a graffiti artist on the walls of religion where he critiques religion… specifically Christianity and the church. He also runs the online community The Lasting Supper where people can help themselves discover, explore and live in spiritual freedom.

  • http://Www.jasonmarshall.co.uk Jason

    Was talking about this very subject over breakfast, brilliant! Jx

  • http://1minutedailyword.com Steve Martin

    Wow!

    I never realzed before that Jesus didn’t really know what was going on, either.

    Thanks for making what I thought was a clear statement by God in Christ Jesus, just another blob of questions to muddle my mind.

  • http://nakedpastor.com nakedpastor

    it’s about time i got through to you steve.

  • http://rochow.ca Will Rochow

    I really appreciate this one, David. Thanks

  • http://thoughts-brigitte.blogspot.com Brigitte

    I like this one. It is about pedagogy to me. Jesus did make people think and this is a teaching method. But, of course, he would also give exclamation mark talks. And he was more than a teacher. The question of who he is, is the question of questions.

  • Gary

    Excellent David…love it. Jesus often spoke in riddles to open minds and make people question what they “thought” they knew.

    And Steve…sigh.

  • http://nakedpastor.com nakedpastor

    thanks guys

  • http://www.unnameablecuriosity.wordpress.com Christine

    Ah, but Brigitte, which few things got the exclamation mark treatment. It’s very selective, which says a lot all on its own.

  • Gary

    So true Christine. Of course as a Christian I believe Jesus had the answers. But I have come to realize that to understand the answers we must first ask the questions. And sometimes the answer lies in the question itself.

    Oh and Steve…Jesus questions (and answers) have always muddied the mind of those who believed they knew. Thus is the beginning of wisdom.

  • http://agnosticchristian.wordpress.com karl

    Indeed. Getting a straight answer to a question out of Jesus appears to have been like getting blood out of a stone. The straightest you tended to get would be “here’s a story to make you think about the answer.”

  • http://thebetterthing.com Jim

    Seth Godin recently said, “Being loud and angry doesn’t make you right, it just means you’re loud and angry.”

  • Jeannie

    Didn’t we all learn that saying something loudly and with passion made it correct? To really make things perfect it had to have wild, passionate contemporary music too – especially with a spiritual warfare theme.

  • http://www.sccpei.com andrew bryce

    Just wondering David? Do you suppose that Jesus used periods at the end of sentences as well as questions? Thoughts? You seem to indicate that it’s exclamation marks vs. questions which seems rather reductionist don’t you think? Maybe even black and white?

  • http://nakedpastor.com nakedpastor

    it’s hyperbole for the sake of argument. i’m sure jesus used periods. even exclamations once in a while. i’m talking about the general thrust…

  • Rhonda Sayers

    This cartoon showed me the difference between “how” Jesus ministered and how many of his followers do it today. It also made me think of this:
    I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
    Mahatma Gandhi

  • http://www.sccpei.com andrew bryce

    Your general thrust comes across more like exclamation marks David than hyperbole. The very thing you detest is the thing you become. I fear ‘though doth protest too much’.

  • http://nakedpastor.com nakedpastor

    Andrew: Oh no doubt I doth protest a lot!

  • http://www.sccpei.com andrew bryce

    Your new pulpit is now Naked Pastor and you just used an exclamation mark to make your point. Seems kind of hypocritical don’t you think when your cartoon pulpit made fun of those who made declarations with exclamation marks? Hey David, I love you man, I really do. However when someone disagrees with you, (in this case me)you become combative and when they praise you, I’ve observed you lap it up like a hungry puppy. I like lots of your stuff and I’ve told you that, but when I disagree with you, look out…. the wrath of David shows his teeth. Where’s the love? Shall I not post anymore? Are my thoughts unacceptable when ‘my take’ challenges you? Just asking? These questions seem fair to me. Maybe you could ask Lisa for her perspective? I would appreciate her take. Lots of questions here, my old friend, looking for some clarity?

  • John Sennett

    This one is just Fantastic. This one hits the point exactly.

    This may be your best,at least to me.

    Thanks, David for your humor and insight. You challenge us, make us laugh even at ourselves sometimes. The best way to get a point accross is with humor or with a question.

  • http://nakedpastor.com nakedpastor

    Andrew: Wow, I’m shocked! I looked back here’s my last two responses to you:

    1. “it’s hyperbole for the sake of argument. i’m sure jesus used periods. even exclamations once in a while. i’m talking about the general thrust…”
    2. “Oh no doubt I doth protest a lot!”

    I fail to see how they can be taken as “combative” or how this can be interpreted as “the wrath of David shows his teeth”. In fact I seem agreeable. But I will accept the responsibility of not being clear. I do agree that my cartoons seem imbalanced. But that’s the nature of cartoons and sarcasm. I would also agree that I protest a lot. I have a bone to pick.

    I never felt our friendship was in jeopardy. I truly thought I was being loving. But I also acknowledge that I so often fail at that.

    And yes, I will also agree that I love praise too much.

    your friend,

    David

  • Gary

    Are you having a bad day Andrew? Because for the life of me I cannot imagine what you saw in David’s comments that warranted such a response.

  • http://Www.unnameablecuriosity.wordpress.com Christine

    cartoons might be by nature imbalanced… but the norm here is humour through strange juxtipostions. while some may see these as exclamations in themselves, meditation on them raises many more questions. that’s what i love about it here.

    and i’ve been one to disagree with david from time to time. while the cartoons (aimed at patterns, behaviours, and institutions) may be pointed, his responses to me (and to everyone else i’ve seen), i would overwhelmingly describe as gentle. if david has teeth beyond the art, i’ve never seen him bare them here.

  • http://www.sccpei.com andrew bryce

    Thank you David for your kind response. A soft answer opens dialogue and that’s what I want. I also understand that your cartoon use extremes to make a point of expressing certain kinds of preaching out there that are truly distasteful. I get that. I agree. I also know that Jesus used parable and all kinds of questions to probe the mind and reveal the heart. I would challenge you to also respect the redemptive side of good teaching that so much of the church is about. It can’t be all bad, can it? That’s a question not an exclamation mark. Sarcasm? Yes! I apologize for the remark about you showing your teeth. Admittedly a cruel remark. No our relationship is not in jeopardy, at odds sometimes, but not in jeopardy. But that is the nature of relationship…right?

  • http://nakedpastor.com nakedpastor

    Hey Andrew… i appreciate your response. yes, that’s the nature of relationship. about me raising the questions… i feel this is my contribution to the discussion. that’s all i’ve got. right now.

  • http://www.sccpei.com andrew

    I guess I feel there are some definitive answers about who Jesus is and why He came. I understand how you are addressing how much most of us ‘miss’ the same way the early apostles did in getting his core teaching…love and a kingdom from heaven he came to establish on earth…through love expressed in his death and resurrection. Still lots of questions that remain, that’s for sure, and I’m still swimming in the mystery of them. I think your Sophia pictures describe the mystery for me better than words ever could. Keep drawing David.

  • http://nakedpastor.com nakedpastor

    will try andrew :)


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