welcome to The Lasting Supper

I launched davidhayward.ca as a site where I could provide my resources to help people through spiritual transition. Instead, what happened was that a community started to form. I love it, but it felt weird that it was gathering around my name because it was clear it wasn’t about me. It was about the community. So, with the help of creative geniuses and experts, we’ve migrated everything over to the new domain name, theLastingSupper.com. I love it. So do the members. We are amazed and pleased.

One of the questions I get is, “Why the subscription fee when I can join other communities online for free?” This is my answer:

  1. It provides a gateway, inexpensive but effective, to ensure that those who join are serious about abiding by the values of the community. It really does work in providing a way of keeping the community safe.
  2. There are people who work around the clock to create, develop and maintain the site and make it a valuable resource to its members. They need to eat and so do their children.
  3. It’s a community with a growing library of resources available to members for free that non-members pay for.

I love nakedpastor and continue to devote my efforts in doing what I do here. But now I feel like I’ve achieved a kind of balance by starting this other site… a safe place for people to process their spirituality independently along with others in a non-confrontational environment.

If you feel it sounds like something you would benefit from and would like to contribute to, then come on over and join us.

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  • Caryn LeMur

    David: great vid! Loved seeing those cartoons (some were new to me)!

    Much love in Christ always and unconditionally; Caryn

  • This is such a great idea!

  • Steve Kimes

    It is a good idea to build community. But when you put a price on community, then you exclude those who cannot pay the price. I could pay the price, but I won’t for it excludes my community of the homeless and mentally ill.

  • You make some pretty grand assumptions Steve. I emphasize that the lasting supper is primarily a resource site for those desiring to be spiritually independent. A spin-off benefit that I didn’t expect is community. And how do you know who is on there and who isn’t? Do you know about the many people that are on there with free memberships because they specifically wrote to me saying they were interested but couldn’t afford it? Or are you aware of the many members who through their generosity pay for the memberships of those who can’t afford it? Have you actually met any of the members of the site to determine who is mentally ill and who is not? Do you have secret access into the site to know who is actually excluded and who is not? Or did you just want to take this opportunity to boast about how much better your community is than mine?

  • Steve Kimes

    Perhaps the assumptions are on the other foot.

    Everyone has to make cultural decisions for every community. I’ve made mine, you’ve made yours. You think I am complaining about how you set up your community. Rather, I am hoping to just point out who you are excluding. But your response is eerily similar to church leader’s responses when you point out their blind spots. I suppose that’s just human.

    You lose out on the lower class in the same way that churches lose out of many of them by just passing an offering plate– the lower class, in general, not every one of them– are offended by putting a price on community. That may be right or wrong– of course you point out that every community has its costs– but it is a gate, and that particular gate excludes most of a class.

    When I say “mentally ill” I erred, for I am only speaking about those whom I know, those on disability or have almost no income. There are many mentally ill who live well-salaried lives, and that’s great.

    No, my community isn’t better than yours. Only different. Sorry my little comment so offended you.

  • It didn’t offend me Steve. It is remarkably assumptive. You have no idea who is on the site. You never asked. You made assumptions just because there’s money involved. You have money issues. I recognize it a mile away because I have had them too. There are thousands of churches who have offering plates who care for the poor and have the poor among their membership, in case you didn’t know that. And the mentally ill. You think because there’s a membership fee, a small one at that, that the membership is “well-salaried”. Get off your high moral horse and talk instead of making judgmental pronouncements. I’m not trying to protect myself here, but the members you are making nasty judgements about.

  • Caryn LeMur

    Steve: I also worked among youth-at-risk, men in prison, Latino day workers, and homeless encamped in the woods [ex-felons, drug users, and those with mental disorders]. I also ‘labor in the word and in [applied] doctrine’. Please hear me out.

    The scripture is clear that I should have received income from those that I reached, for ‘he that is instructed should share all things with his instructor’, and ‘no soldier goes to war on his own wages’. Yet, because I was given the deep honor of ‘giving a feast for those that cannot repay you – the poor, the blind, and the maimed’ – I paid my own way by working fulltime in information technology.

    Recently, a former pastor wrote to me, concerned that I had disdain for him ‘as if he lived in an ivory tower’. My initial reaction was ‘say what?’

    I have not yet formally responded… you see, he may be right. Oh, I try to never show overt disdain, … but perhaps the frustration in me did show in my selection of words I used with him on his blog, or in my non-verbals when we last spoke face-to-face 18 months ago (or more?).

    As in Galatians, that pastor is called to the Jews, and I am called to the Gentiles… and [in my case] to the barbarians, at that… but somehow, I failed to obviously extend to that pastor ‘the right hand of fellowship’ and so, now I must work to heal his wound.

    Please keep reading.

    I admire that David has created two blogs: one that is free (NakedPastor) and one that may help him financially (TheLastSupper). The first is rowdy, and perfect for a number of the men and women that I have met. I applaud this two-pronged approach, and wonder if this will be the norm for the Internet church communities of the future.

    By all means, if I find any youth-at-risk with a computer at home, prisoner with Internet rights, homeless that frequent the public library internet system, or a mentally disordered person that are allowed the Internet by the county’s out-patient facility… then by all means, I will mention to them about the free (NakedPastor) site.

    And…IF my community members show the need for the second site (TLS), that is, the willingness to actually engage in a real exchange of communication, the willingness to listen, and to write with a careful choice of words… to heal rather than to take advantage of the wounded… then, I may consider recommending the TLS site. I may even sponsor them for a time….

    However, out of the many people in my communities I have worked with, I can recall only one teen runaway (1997?), one single mom (1998?), and one bi-polar homeless man (2011), that may have had the desire and ability to profit from the TLS site.

    Steve: I know my community members… and that $7 a month is a perfect hurdle to keep them out… because if they are serious, they will ‘get in’ to that TLS site and post healing messages and concerns about their own wounds. But we need that small hurdle:

    – The youth-at-risk were almost all tough boys and out of control. Do I really want them laughing at a wounded woman that is writing about losing her child? After all, she got ‘knocked up’…

    – The men in prison were manipulators (even the believers). Do you know what a rapist will write to a woman on the outside? Have you heard a cocaine addict beg for money because he has readdicted himself and been out on parole for two weeks?

    – The Latinos do not follow the English language that well, and their outlook is to ‘laugh at life’ (which would not do well on an American/Canadian blog, where seriousness equals concern). ‘Baby, what you need is a beer…’ is not an answer to Americans/Canadians.

    – The homeless raise money by panhandling for their drugs, cigs, beer (and food when needed). Some visit libraries. They log onto computers. They can be sponsored by a church for TLS and other sites. This may be good, as the church will be ‘working’ with them, to some degree. This may be bad, because the most computer-literate of the homeless are the sex offenders on parole.

    – The mentally disordered sit in their tents – not even speaking to me more than three minutes. And then, they are gone again. The ones that can make it to the outpatient facility are doing ok… but most of them need face-to-face contact and even that, with trained practioners.

    Steve, our experiences may be different. Our communities may be different. I do recommend that if someone in your community is interested, that you direct them to the NP site. It is free. Then, watch what they write, for ‘out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks’. If their heart is able to handle the honesty of the TLS site (without ‘making merchandise of the believers’), then see if a church will sponsor them for a month. If it works for them, and seems to heal them, then re-approach the church to continue the sponsorship.

    Lastly, keep on posting on the NP site. Seriously, that way, we’ll get to know your heart’s strengths and weaknesses. No pastor is perfect in everything… we all ‘sin in many ways’… and ‘no man has tamed his tongue’.

    In time, you may wish to join the TLS community for your own nurturing and strengthening; for giving to the wounded elders, teachers, and pastors that abound on that site; for encouraging and comforting wounded soldiers that may never return to the battlefield. I did.

    Much love in Christ always and unconditionally; Caryn