Chuck Norris Scares Me, Reflections on Religious Holy War

It’s always frightening to me when people insert violent imagery into political appeals. It’s even scarier when the person delivering the violent imagery is a third degree black-belt known for kicking butt like Chuck Norris. Growing up I liked Norris. He was the star of horrible films like The Delta Force and was a real master of the martial arts. As a kid there are few things cooler than karate and B-movies.

As an adult I’m frightened and disgusted by Chuck Norris. Yes, I realize he’s in his seventies and I could probably outrun him at this point, but I’m frightened of him because of his rhetoric. His recent Youtube message about the demise of the United States made the 2012 Presidential Election sound like a holy war. The first time I saw it I thought it was probably from Will Ferrell’s Funny or Die website, but sadly there was nothing funny about it.

While it might sound like I’m going overboard, Norris basically equates re-electing Barack Obama with the triumph of Satan. If you doubt me just look at some of these lines. Early on Chuck says “our country as we know it may be lost forever” and later he reiterated that point by saying ” . . . and watch our country go the way of socialism or something much worse” (emphasis mine). Norris also adds the quote “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men and women do nothing,” which is saying that re-electing Obama is the triumph of evil.

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Perhaps you are mad at yourself and want to watch this thing, you can also just read the text at the end of the article.

The most chilling line in the whole thing comes from Chuck’s wife Gena “We will preserve for our children this last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness.” This is an obvious example of crazy Evangelical speak, and it should scare the piss out of you. Not only have Chuck and Gena set political discourse back fifty years, but they’ve turned the 2012 election into a referendum on “good” and “evil.” That referendum becomes completely absurd when you remember that many Evangelicals don’t think of Mormons as true Christians, while Obama is a, ya know, Christian.

The Norris Family is not alone when it comes to turning the upcoming Presidential Election into a battle between cosmic forces. This kind of “God Judgement” for political things is common in the Republican Party and Evangelical Circles. It took about five seconds to find some examples on the Google (click here and here and here, all of those are doozies, but the last one, whoa!) which means while that type of thinking may not be necessarily mainstream, it’s mainstream enough that thousands if not millions believe in it.

This is not an anti-Romney or anti-Republican piece. I know there are many sane individuals who will be voting for Romney in November (my father is one of them and I like him), but I haven’t seen Mitt disavow the Chuck Norris video yet. I know that I have conservate Pagan brothers and sisters out there, and that’s fine. We can’t all agree on everything, but it’s important to know who is sleeping in your bed. Anyone who would turn a Presidential election into a potential Armageddon is not going to come out swinging for the rights of minority faith. I don’t see Mitt Romney opening up religious re-education camps in Kansas or anything, but with a Republican Congress (and perhaps Senate) I can see potential cracks in the boundaries between church and state.

Getting back to Chuck, there’s sadness and emotion in his voice. He truly believes the madness coming out of his mouth. I don’t doubt his patriotism, or the conviction of his religious beliefs. What bothers me is how warped his convictions have become. The end of the world because of a political candidate? I just don’t understand how people can go through life being that hateful and that fearful. I want to believe that Chuck is a good guy helping other people, but when I picture him in my head all I can envision is a guy filling up his basement bunker with canned food. I miss the guy from The Delta Force.

What’s saddest about all of this is how it contributes to the broken politics and broken political system in the United States. Instead of listing sane reasons not to vote for someone it becomes about someone’s twisted interpretation of God. There’s no real political discourse in the United States because our elections have been turned into Holy Wars of Biblical proportions. I’m not sure we are headed for a thousand years of darkness, but this election season has felt like nine months of stupid so far.

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The text of Chuck and his wife Gena:

We are here to talk about a growing concern we all share. If we look to history, our great country and freedom are under attack. We’re at a tipping point and, quite possibly, our country as we know it may be lost forever if we don’t change the course in which our country is headed.

With our country at a crossroads, Chuck and I have asked ourselves what we can be doing to help support this great country we’re blessed to live in and how we can encourage our like-minded American brothers and sisters to unite and let their voices be heard,” she said. “It is estimated that in the 2008 election, 30 million evangelical Christians stayed home on voting day and Obama won the election by 10 million votes.

We know you love your family and your freedom as much as Gena and I do, and it is because of that we can no longer sit quietly or stand on the sidelines and watch our country go the way of socialism or something much worse.

Our only hope is for each of us to make that we have not only registered to vote in the primary and general elections in 2012, but to make sure our voices will be heard by casting our votes on election day.

As Edmund Burke said, ‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men and women do nothing.’

Our great president, Ronald Reagan said, ‘Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected and handed on for them to do the same.

President Reagan went on to say that ‘You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children’s children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done.

Please stand with us, let’s unite for God and country. And may God continue to bless the United States of America. See you at the polls.

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About Jason Mankey

Jason Mankey has been involved with Paganism for the last twenty years, and has spent the last ten of those years as a speaker, writer, and High Priest. Jason can often be found lecturing on the Pagan Festival circuit, so you might just bump into him. When not reading and researching Pagan history he likes to crank up the Led Zeppelin, do rituals in honor of Jim Morrison (of The Doors), and sing numerous praises to Pan, Dionysus, and Aphrodite. He lives in Sunnyvale CA with his wife Ari and two hyper-kinetic cats.

  • Pad Dar

    Grow up already.

    • Star Foster

      Incivility is not welcome. Only warning.

      • Pad Dar

        You DO realize that I also have a blog. Right? Are you sceeered to come on over?
        Looks like it

        • Star Foster


        • silvergryphon

          Just checked this person’s Facebook…… nothing but rightwing fundie ranting using articles that have been proven unfactual by Snopes.

        • Dakotahgeo

          Not scared, just more intelligent and much better self-images here. (Please imporve your spelling—sceeered??? Really now!) You jus’ gotta be a right wing fundie!

      • Pad Dar

        Telling people to ‘grow up’ is not civil or uncivil.
        Telling people to go die in a gas chamber is not civil.

        IF YOU are going to link me up, you should expect this.
        IF you dont want me here b/c you cant handle it, dont like me.

        • Star Foster

          Since you are incapable of civil conversation you are blocked from this forum, unless Jason Mankey requests that you be unblocked.

          • Daniel Castaneda

            I’ve actually heard of her, she is known on the internet for being insane. I don’t think she ever intended to be civil.

        • Dakotahgeo

          Actually we like your continuing to embarrass yourself numerous times… very entertaining… and cheap! Thank you!

  • Pad Dar

    Think about this:
    People voted for a person named

    -The Mad Jewess

    • Kauko

      And, just think about this:
      In 2000 people voted for a person named

      Walker = Walker, Texas Ranger = Chuck Norris
      *Cues dramatic music*

      -The Former Jew

      • Pad Dar

        Barack HUSSEIN Obama=Muslim.
        NO real Birth Certificate.
        1991 Pamphlet that admits he is Kenyan Born-father who NEVER became a US citizen.

        Oh, b/c I am an admitted right wing nut, I was ‘for’ Bush. Nope.

        Voting Osama, I mean Obama once is bad enough, but 2x is treason.

        • Tara Alestra-Caledonia Brooks

          Just because Obama’s father was born in Kenya and never became a US citizen doesn’t mean Obama isn’t a citizen. Are you forgetting his mother IS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN! Therefore Obama IS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!

          • Wake Up

            I’m pretty sure George Washington’s grandparents weren’t American citizens. Is this news? Is it a scandal?

        • Kauko

          Actually, I thought I was just being sarcastically humorous, but that probably was lost on you in all your conspiracy theory delusions.

        • Dakotahgeo

          I think you’re lost and on the wrong blog. Take a right turn, then three more right turns, and repeat continuously… fast!

    • Alleh Pagan

      Let’s judge someone by their middle name; THAT’S intelligent. Even if Obama is Muslim, why does it matter? Just because someone is Muslim doesn’t make that person a terrorist.

      • maddiemom

        And constitutionally perfectly eligible to run for any office in the land. I’d Love to see Jefferson, Franklin and others come back to argue this.

  • James

    The Delta Force is an awesome movie.

  • Dea Monda

    You may be interested in reading ” Beyond Fundamentalism: Confronting Religious Extremism in the Age of Globalixation” by Reza Aslan

  • Kauko

    What’s scary to me is that this kind of talk has gone from crazy fringe elements and moved more into the mainstream in the past 4 years. Personally, I can respect objective, thought-out criticisms of a candidate but the hyperbolic ‘OMFG THE WORLD IS GONNA END IF OBAMA IS RE-ELECTED’ rants have just gotten kind of tired.

  • joshthepagan

    Yeah, I had a problem with this as well. IMO, both candidates are bad. But the end of days because of it? Nope.

    The road our country is on is already leading US to our own destruction between the loss of basic civil liberties, how we treat the poor and criminals, the fact that we bomb everyone who doesn’t agree with US, and more.

  • Themon the Bard

    Seems to come down to a basic disagreement about what government is about. Is it about appeasing God, or is it about keeping the sewage from backing up?

    I don’t believe at ANY level in mixing God and government, any more than I would believe in mixing God and plumbing. I hire a plumber to fix pipes, not to sit down and pray with me that the toilet will stop leaking. If he wants to mutter a prayer — to any God — after he sets the toilet, I won’t begrudge him that. But I EXPECT him to set the toilet.

    Same with government. I just wrote a hot/depairing blog that was deeply anti-Romney and anti-Republican, and I also evoke the “end of the world” — actually not the end of the world, just the end of the country as we know it (which may, in the long run, be a good thing) but my concern is with the way the government is not doing its job with the plumbing. Instead, they’re coming into my bedroom and telling me that the reason my pipes leak is because I have a Hustler magazine in the bottom drawer of my nightstand. Apart from the utter absurdity of that concept, what on earth is the plumber doing riffling through my nightstand drawers?

    As far as Socialism goes, I just had my eyes opened wide by Brian Rush’s little broadside, see We have a huge socialist collective right here in our little town. You’ve probably sampled their wares: New Belgium Brewery, makers of Fat Tire Ale. Or try Ben & Jerry’s Ice Cream. Turns out (surprise) these are socialist enterprises, they’re VERY profitable, and socialism isn’t even close to what Chuck Norris thinks it is.

  • Bianca Bradley

    Chuck Norris is no more crazy or scary then the other side of the coin is. Elect Barack or x will happen. How bout we stop getting scared by peoples words and pay more attention to what people do. Or for that matter, clean our house and quit sticking our noses in others.

    • Jason Mankey

      I’d never argue that the Left is blameless, but they usually don’t use the wrath of God as a talking point.

  • Lēoht Sceadusawol

    I’ve noticed something.

    Politicians (notably the American election-time variety) spends more time talking about religion than politics.

    Pagans seem to spend more time talking about politics than religion.

    Does this strike anyone else as odd?

    • kenneth

      Unfortunate, perhaps, but not odd. Pagans are too varied and too ornery to sustain much of a conversation on religion. Politicians love to talk religion because they have no serious grown-up plausible solutions to the real problems of the economy, the environment etc.

      • Lēoht Sceadusawol

        Perhaps the two ‘vocations’ need to switch paths, then?

  • butch

    This reminds me of the parable of Dennis Miller. Dennis went from a comedian who entertained the whole of society, to one who entertains only half of it….presumedly for twice the money. Miller chooses to appeal to only conservatives, while leaving the rest to feel whatever offence intended. The jury is still out on Clint Eastwood, since his efforts were inept, but clearly in this political climate, in spite of the respective claims, we can clearly see, and take heart from, the simple fact that there IS a “wrong and immoral” side that we can move away from.

  • Wsfdfadf

    Mitt Romney is dangerous, regardless if Obama’s 2nd name is Hussein. It could also be Adolf.

  • Lyns

    I personally am still somewhat unconvinced that this video is for real. It’s gotta be a joke video made for Funny or Die. The crazy talk in it by Mr. Norris and his wife is just way too crazy- I can’t even begin to take it seriously. Lol!

  • Alleh Pagan

    When I was younger, I really enjoyed all the Chuck Norris jokes. However, when I found out that he was this crazy religious zealot, I stopped saying the jokes and just shook my head every time someone mentioned him. God and all religion should be separate from politics, period. I’m sometimes so overwhelmed at the sheer stupidity at our government that I just want to move to Canada. Why can’t the candidates talk about the real issues and leave religion out of it?

  • Joseph

    With Obamacare, once 70, that’s it. You’re no longer a “patient,” but a “unit.” Are any of you even aware of what “comfort care” even is? How about AGE EQUALITY?? Just who the hell decided that the older people should have less rights!!!? Two evil men are being supported are respected by the majority, when they deserve neither.

    • Dakotahgeo

      I think you’re lost and on the wrong blog. Take a right turn, then three more right turns, and repeat continuously… fast!

  • Ms Opine

    Perhaps after President Obama is re-elected, Chuck Norris and those who think like him will go underground into the bunkers for the next 4 years. I wonder what they will think when they re-emerge and see that everything is okay.

  • carole

    Chuck and Gena–I have never commented on a site like this before. This is my first effort to speak to someone sincerely. I must tell you as an American, I defend your right to speak and broadcast your opinion wholeheartedly. I am just wondering why a man with a history of films that promote violence, aggression as ways to handle problems is using the Edmund Burke quote, a rhetorician who spent his life promoting the use of dialogue, not fist fights, as a way to handle problems. Also wondering if you really want to make predictions about future consequences without any ability to prove your mere assertion. Better to stick with the facts of the case, if you want to be an intellectual fighter, to use a metaphor more in line with your work. Maybe, you want to begin with your own signs of fear, judgment, or hostility–the place where good warriors begin, telling the truth on themselves first–before you espouse nonsense about “the other guy/side.” By the way, I don’t go to your movies. Want to know why? You always win; you always live. That’s not reality. The world does not work that way. Good wishes to you.

  • Dakotahgeo

    The only things that give me hope is that 1) God is in charge; and 2) Chuckie Poo Poo Norris won’t be around much longer so it can’t be that much of a ‘darkness’ thingy to fear, right? Right! No more fear… only faith!

  • Larry Linn

    Perhaps Chucky Boy should read the Constitution of the United
    States of America:

    Article Six: The Senators and
    Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State
    Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United
    States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to
    support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a
    Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

    The First Amendment states: ““Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment
    of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”.

  • Patriot

    If you believe killing unborn babies is evil and saving them is good, then voting for Obama was a vote for evil.
    If you believe marriage is more than a convenient living arrangement, one that should be open to two men, two women, or even more than two people….well, a vote for Obama was a vote for evil.
    if you believe all people having thier religions freedoms protected is right while trampling on the relegious freedoms of any group is wrong…well, voting for Obama was voting for wrong.
    If you believe America should continue to stand with Israel against the daily terrorist attacks and those who seek to overthrow their country…well, again a vote for Obama is a vote against what you think is right.
    i could keep going on. But by now you should get it. Obama is so diametrically opposed to the religious beliefs held by the majority of Americans (be it Catholic, Mormon, Protestant, Jewish, Jehovas Witness, or most other mainstream belief systems) that Obama can only be characterized as “evil”.
    If you happen to have no strongly held personal beliefs, I do understand why you would fail to understand this concept. But why you would be “frightened” by somebody speaking up for his or her beliefs? That I cannot fathom.
    Oh wait…I forgot. Liberals want socialism. And socialism was NOT built on people speaking their minds. In fact, people exercising personal freedom destroys socialism, so must be stomped out at all costs. If you doubt this, just take a hard look at socialist contries and their impact on personal freedom. You will find the further along the path of socialism a country goes, the less freedom their citizens have.

    • Jim Goller

      Funny when you rattled off all the religions that oppose Obama, you left out Muslims and atheist. Don’t forget most of our founding fathers didn’t believe in that fairytell crap like you. As a liberal, I can’t stank Obama either, but would vote for him a thousand time to piss you off, “Patriot.”