Schism among the Dawoodi Bohras

By Shireen Hamza

A schism has occurred in my religious community. Of the many reasons I could have imagined a Muslim, American college student might find herself socially boycotted by some of her Muslim peers, this was not one of them. In the past two weeks, my grief over the loss of my religious leader, Dr. Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin, was compounded by the loss of most of my childhood friends, and all of my classmates from the seminary I used to attend (Al-Jamea-tus-Saifiya). Messages (inaccurately) portraying me as a proselytizer, using black magic and shoving perfume in people’s faces to convert them to my beliefs have been circulated on the internet and through social media. I have even been shunned by Rutgers students belonging to my religious community, the Dawoodi Bohras.

Just weeks ago, the sight of another woman wearing a colorful hijab like mine (a rida) on campus was a cause for cheer and comfort in the shared understanding and solidarity between us. Seeing many other Muslim women who wear the hijab at Rutgers has always been a very visible reminder to me that we are a welcome part of the Rutgers community, despite the continued, sinister presence of Islamophobia in America. I have grown to love Rutgers as a place of intellectual growth and diverse community, and my appreciation of this place is precisely why I am outspoken about the difficulties that Muslims and especially Muslim women face at Rutgers, and the need for tolerance and awareness of all marginalized peoples. I have rarely come across anti-Shi’a sentiment in the ethnically and religiously diverse Muslim population here, and I could never have dreamed that I would become the subject of hatred of my fellow Dawoodi Bohras.

Religion blogs have covered the recent passing away of our beloved Syedna as well as the current dispute over succession, but I will summarize the situation briefly. After the passing away of our spiritual leader, Dr. Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin, on January 17th, a contention arose as to the identity of his true successor. Syedna Burhanuddin’s followers, the Dawoodi Bohras, are a sect of Shi’a Muslims based in the South Asian subcontinent, but with followers and communities all over the world, including a few thousand in America. The rift occurred when, after the passing of our beloved Syedna, his second-in-command and brother Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin announced that he was the true successor of Syedna Burhanuddin. He did this by sending a personal youtube message (available at fatemidawat.com) to the community via email. However, since a public announcement two years ago, after Syedna had suffered a stroke, the community had believed that his son, Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin, was his successor. Most of the community still accepts Saifuddin as their leader, although many who live in Dawoodi Bohra communities are afraid to publicly announce their belief in Syedna Qutbuddin. Various tactics have been used by people in the Saifuddin administration, including hate speech against Qutbuddin in the masjid, as well as the door-to-door collection of signatures in support of Saifuddin. Community members who were suspected of harboring sympathies for Syedna Qutbuddin were pre-emptively asked to sign forms swearing their allegiance to Saifuddin. Many also fear being ostracized by friends and even family members, if they openly support Syedna Qutbuddin. These instances are not hearsay; I mention only the first-hand experiences of people I have spoken to in the past two weeks.

Currently, I live in an environment with people of diverse racial identities and class backgrounds, of different belief systems, of various gender identities and sexual orientations, and I am learning to be more mindful of the differences in people’s worldviews. There are many ways that my careless speech could negatively impact people, and probably has. I view this self-education and mindfulness as an ethical responsibility, and find many instructions in my faith to behave compassionately with all people. The instruction of the Prophet to live an existence free from harming others has particular resonance to me on a political and ecological level. Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin’s sermons have taught me that Islam is totally applicable to life in modernity, and he has demonstrated that our faith is a living tradition, not something static, frozen in the 7th century.

Many of my friends are not upholding the peace-loving and tolerant standards of the community we grew up in, and I wonder if some are being swayed by the hateful and fear-inducing messages being shown at Dawoodi Bohra masjids all over the world. The only communications I have received from my friends, after telling them of my choice to believe in Syedna Qutbuddin, have been ardent, even angry attempts to convince me to “see the light,” mournful expressions of regret, or prayers for me to receive guidance. The majority of my friends have not contacted me since I have disclosed my choice to them, though they must know how isolating this experience is. Since announcing my choice to my friends, I have made it a point to keep my reasons to myself, except when asked. I do this out of respect for other people’s belief in Mufaddal Saifuddin, knowing that my explanations necessarily include disapproval of someone whom they love and cherish. In the past week, I have stopped accepting offers to “discuss” (or, inevitably, argue) this topic, because it is painful to hear the person I venerate as my spiritual leader being unhesitatingly slandered. I would like to continue my friendships within the Dawoodi Bohra community because I love and respect my friends as individuals, despite our diverging beliefs. Sadly, I am no longer sure that that love and respect is mutual.

I suppose that my disappointment is a naive reaction. Of all people, a Muslim in post-9/11 America should not be surprised at how easily hatred can be born of irrational fear. Wading through the chaotic discourse and constant stream of propaganda employed by people on all sides of this issue, it becomes clear that there are multiple histories and narratives of Syedna Burhanuddin’s time as the leader of the Dawoodi Bohras, and everyone will find reasons for the marginalization of his second-in-command over the past twenty years that support their own narrative. History is not easily demarcated as “ended,” that it might repeat itself. It is as constant and continuous as its employment by those seeking power. I still have hope that I will reconnect with friends “on the other side,” whether in the near or distant future, because the support, compassion and friendship I have found in a country in which the media constantly misrepresents me have shown me that the human connection can trump narratives we inherit.

These events have been a cause for me to thoroughly interrogate the role of religion in my life, which has been a struggle for me since my childhood. I am by no means a religious scholar, though I have had the privilege and mobility to travel halfway across the world in pursuit of a deeper knowledge of our tradition. Since coming back from the seminary in Karachi where I spent my high school years (Al-Jamea-tus-Saifiyah), I have had to reapply the edicts of our tradition to new scenarios. I was initially drawn to my faith because its foundation and motivation rests on love, and that attraction has been continuous throughout my life, regardless of how my understanding of faith has grown and changed. I felt myself moving away from the community and communal worship in the past two years, and even wondered if my commitment to social justice and certain progressive politics was incompatible with the way Dawoodi Bohras practice religion. I am inspired by the way Syedna Qutbuddin envisions the practice of our faith. He has encouraged all of his daughters and sons to benefit from and contribute back to systems of higher education, and that is a large assurance to me that his view on education for women is not empty rhetoric. Additionally, whenever my family has donated to his charity “Zahra Hasanaat” we have received a full receipt of the way the money was used, down to the number of people who were served food. This gives me hope that he would make good on his promises of transparency in community finances.

I know that some who follow Mufaddal Saifuddin are also committed to liberal values, but I have personally tried and failed to apply his messages to my attempts to lead an ethical life as an open-minded, open-hearted Muslim college student in America. I cannot support a line of thinking that condemns women for working in call centers because they might “fall into sin,” without providing an acceptable, equally lucrative alternative, or addressing the larger problem: the global inequalities that have made a job at a call center catering to Western consumers a means to pull an entire Indian family out of poverty. While Syedna Burhanuddin warned his followers against falling prey to the Western cultural hegemony, he by no means forbid women from participating in the global economy in a professional capacity. Rather, he gave his support to all men and women who sought to educate themselves, and as a result, there are many male and female doctors, lawyers, technologists, and other highly-skilled professionals in the community today. In his remarks about call centers, Saifuddin shamed those working women without correspondingly organizing a communal effort to provide working women with a realistic alternative means to support themselves and their families. Saifuddin has encouraged women to participate in communal efforts encouraging women to always wear the hijab in public “for their own safety,” and to gain proficiency in domestic skills. These are themes that he has emphasized with great force in his sermons. I was alarmed by reports from multiple women, from the poor districts of Pune to the affluent neighborhoods of Mumbai to suburban New Jersey, of a group of women from the community coming to their homes and asking them to sign pledges committing them to always wearing the rida (the Dawoodi Bohra hijab) outside of the house. Some were told to sign the form or be removed from the increasingly invasive online database of Dawoodi Bohras, through which permission was granted to attend the sermons of Syedna Burhanuddin. Syedna Burhanuddin had repeatedly encouraged women to wear the rida out of pride in their identity, rather than out of fear of their community or as a result of compulsion by their husbands. I have had the privilege to choose to wear the rida in public, as an act of worship and a statement of identity, and I would hope that that would continue to be a choice, rather than a compulsion, for women in our community. Rather than dismantling systems of female oppression in the South Asian subcontinent, systems that are always compounded by poverty, this line of thinking only works to solidify the role of women as second class citizens within the community.

I feel a strong connection to Syedna Qutbuddin, as I did to Syedna Burhanuddin, and my recent choice has cleared much of the cognitive dissonance that I have struggled with over the past two years. My choice is, in some ways, a new beginning, and in some ways a reconnection to an ancient continuity. Still, I know that staying true to my faith and moral compass will constantly require self-awareness and consciousness of others. I am grateful to the saints, leaders, teachers, thinkers, poets, friends and family who have helped me, people from a variety of time periods, faiths, and walks of life. I know that approaching the future with an open mind is compatible with my faith, and, with much help and support, I’m ready to face that challenge.

Shireen Hamza is a Shi’ah Muslim American woman studying English & Arabic literature at Rutgers, the State University of New Brunswick.

 

Editorial Note: You can read a response to Ms. Hamza’s article here: No Schism, Just Sadness: A Dawoodi Bohra Responds.

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  • Seeking Peace

    What a courageous and thoughtful young woman you are! It is hard enough for a person of faith to be questioning of religious practices and teachings but to do it at the cost of losing everything you have known your whole life and to give up your friends must have called for a measure of conviction and courage that I know few to have.

  • GH

    You are so blinded Shirin. I know your family well. I feel bad for you and all the others who have been influenced by this cynical and evil person and his family (KQ). It’s clear as day that he’s a fraud and amazing that people blessed with such intelligence are so blinded by him. He cannot even speak clearly, which should be a sign that Allah has punished him by taking that ability away. We pray for all of you to realize your mistake and take Mufaddal Moula’s hand again.

  • Think

    http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/2014/03/05/348–Woman-call-centre-worker-stabbed-to-death-in-Lucknow-.html

    Yes, call centers have helped thousands of Indian families alleviate poverty and enter the fold of the burgeoning Indian middle-class, but this has come with drastic social and cultural costs. It is a tragic irony that this news article is published on the same day as this post. Despite her obvious courage, the young author here is a privileged young lady. It is easy to comment on the difficulties faced by ‘poor’ Indians while studying in a US university whose annual tuition (in-state) is nearly 20 times the per capita income of the average Indian.

    • FreedomOfSpeech

      Think — you should watch this documentary called ‘The World Before Her’ — give you some more perspective at what’s causing the cultural divides within india. It’s not just a job.

      http://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/The_World_Before_Her/70241262?sod=search-autocomplete

    • Seeking Peace

      Do we want our women to give up opportunities to improve the economic standing of their families because some other woman fell prey to a criminal act? That’s akin t saying don’t travel by air because there might be a terrorist attack…

  • http://hikmah.ekhwan.com/ Juzar Noorani

    None of the Dawoodi Bohra community members are forced into anything or as you try to draw administrative measures into acts of penalizing the liberty of a person is correct in anyway.
    Surely you have been part of the community for many years and a student of Jamea Saifiyah but you did not mention the influence of Khuzaima Qutbuddin and his family on you especially through the sabaqs that you have been taking in the past and even now maybe.
    Black magic may not be the case but knowing your background and your family, your writeup is totally biased and its not about seeking peace at all.
    You choose the way you want to but people have lost attachment to you so as to not be influenced by thoughts. You might agree that peer groups have a fair enough influence on a persons views and thought process and therefore people just want to stay away from you and not due to any hate campaign or something that you have put up in your writeup.
    There are enough evidences to shun Khuzaima’s claims towards the lofty rutba but its a piety you could not see it
    I do not see the purpose of this article and what does it solve except that you wanted to speak out your mind about the internal affairs of the community to seek sympathy of non-community members who do not basically care about your personal mindset of beliefs.
    Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS has never stopped anyone of any gender from Education rather has guided them to the betterment of life in a very practical way.
    There are two sides of a coin the second side which you refuse to show can be found at http://akhbar.mumineen.org/archive/fatemi-dawat and http://believesyednaqutbuddin.com
    An unofficial dedicated channel might also shed some light http://youtube.com/fatemidawat

    • Seeking Peace

      Let’s see… someone bothered to make 31 videos slandering someone who for 50 years was the second-in-command of your religious leader. And you say there is no hate campaign against people who made a choice different from the majority?! Were the cursing sessions in your mosques not designed to inspire hate? Are the hateful late-night calls received by the minority not a sign of hate?! Please don’t distance the leadership from these acts. The hate they instilled at first and then fearfully and hypocritically retracted in public has led to disgraceful behavior by the followers.

      • 1WhoKnowzWhat

        Ahhhh… stop it with flimsy argument of Khuzaima being in khidmat since last 50 years.
        In all these years he has done nothing to uplift one Bohra or done anything to uplift the community on the whole. He has always gone left when Syedna Burhanuddin was going right.
        Khuzaima was always interested in himself and his immediate family.
        It was always, “mein mein mein” and maari shaan with that megalomaniac.

  • Moiz Bharmal

    The challenge with faith is that it is intensely personal and private. What Shireen is going through and probably a lot of her community members is a decision that if they show their choice through words or actions they will be ostracized (like the commenters Juzer Noorani and GH have done). I have lived in Mumbai all my life and know the deep anguish the community is going through and am seeing three specific phenomena –
    1. There is a smaller but vocal and radical faction that has coalesced around Mufaddal Saifuddin and is willing to “die” for him
    2. The larger community is afraid that their access will be stopped and therefore are not trying to even think if the other person has truth to his claim.
    3. The liberal (or balanced) people are dis-enfranchising from the community as they are rejecting the radicalization of their community.

    One thing is for sure. The Bohras are meek people and they will always seek shelter in numbers and be suppressed by the powerful.

    • Impressed

      Brother Moiz you have summed this up correctly. There are two other smaller groups.
      1) Those convinced about the truth of Syedna Qutbuddin’s claims but fearful of the consequences of making their allegiance public – such as – I am sorry to say, myself.
      2) Those who have boldly come out in the open about their allegiance for Syedna Qutbuddin – such as Shireen Hamza and her family.

      • 1WhoKnowzWhat

        Ahhhh c’mon, now. Don’t be a chicken. Come out! Nobody’s out to get you.
        You leader will surely give you aasro in Thane or maybe he will get you political asylum and settle you in Bakersfield, USA. His son TB needs laborers to help him grow blackberries.

    • 1WhoKnowzWhat

      You are completely off the chart about your points 1, 2 and 3.
      You have no idea the throes of people who are with Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin but you carry on with your leader in his delusions of grandeur.

  • Naive

    The author is attempting to appeal to humanitarian principles, sound appealing , but I urge anyone that reads this article to embark on some real scholarship.Individual action should never be given collective communal responsibility. It’s easy to think you belong to a community of devout when you are part of a “cult” that comprises of fewer than a thousand people. A community that has not reached that number of followers will always seek shelter in viewing the masses and society as a whole as cynically corrupt or decadent.You might find this”schism” to be nothing more than a blatant attempt at a “coupe d’etat ” from a man that always aspired to amass absolute power. Much can be said, but lets just leave it there. The girl sound distressed , she truly is.

    • Seeking Peace

      The girl is distressed that a hate campaign against her beliefs has alienated her friends. Why are her friends so insecure in their own faith that they should fear that associating with her will move them away from theirs? The girl finds it difficult to believe that ALL her friendships were based on nothing more than a shared faith that has now diverged. The girl is exploring her situation intellectually. I doubt she needs your false pity.

  • Hasan Pat

    What a Loooser !!!

  • PinkPolkaDot FlyBirdyFly

    To all of us who knew shireen, this article and its style isn’t much of a shock. She’s always had a way with words and has always made her point of view sound like the only correct way to think and believe. Yet, this article has a great many fallacies and omissions that we need not delve into; but for arguments sake lets discuss one- when syedna Muffadal Saifuddin urged women away from the harms that come from working in call centers, there was a lucrative alternative provided. Home science. It’s not just cooking and cleaning and sewing. It is a vast field if properly studied can make one wealthy. Its a form of business that appeals to people because its has personal touches that are rare in today’s fast paced world. Only a small minded person would call it a small field. I’m sure many women and companies that not only support their families but run international empires based on home sciences would agree. Also, another point that struck me as superfluous is her avoiding people who wish to speak with her and then moaning about being avoided. If you don’t wish to speak about religious differences, bearing in mind that religion is what tied us all together, was the base upon which we accepted each other and formed our relationships, then what do you wish to discuss? Trivial matters like how your day went? We can’t, because our entire day, our every minute and second is spent loving syedna Muffadal Saifuddin, our day only goes well when we have acquired his happiness. Sorry kiddo but it isn’t hate that people feel towards you these days, it’s apathy and indifference. It’s a classic case of schoolgirls saying “you go your way, I’ll go mine”.

    • Seeking Peace

      PinkPolkaDot, multinational businesses built on home products cannot be built without women interacting with men. Mufaddal Saifuddin seems to warn against that evil in one of his sermons. He has said time and again that if you allow women to interact with “bemehram” men it can lead to “what not!” “Su thai sake che..!” Please don’t try to pretend that he wants women to open up world class enterprises when he is suggesting that they study home science. He is asking them to keep home more efficiently for their husbands – which in itself is not a bad thing, but it is a horrible way to define a woman

    • Truth Prevails

      Don’t you recall the “Su thai? Su Thai? Su thai?” bayan from MS? Home science was only presented as an alternative for education, but finally MS does want women to sit at home! He has made that very clear multiple times. Then again why should women be restricted only to Home Science? We have some good women doctors in our community, did their parents make a huge mistake? Many of these women became doctors with the Raza of Aqa Burhanuddin moula!

      So someone with an MBA degree can decide to stay at home and raise a family, that’s ok, it’s your choice. Do not make that decision for other women just under the pretense and fear that they will commit adultery. Should the same fear of sinful acts not keep your husbands at home? Not only is the MS logic unreasonable and have double standards, it also shows his lack of trust in mumineen women, and a huge divergence from the teachings and actions of Syedna Taher Saifuddin and Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin. MS is taking the community towards radical Islam like the Taliban!
      When an impostor preaches without the guidance of his Imam, he is bound to lead his followers astray!

  • Disillusioned

    I am a member of the Dawoodi Bohra Community and I am deeply troubled by the vicious and toxic attacks by the majority on the people who’ve chosen to follow Mazoon saheb. I admire the courage in this young woman and wish more people could break out of the mould and start thinking for themselves. As I attend the mosque regularly, I keep getting this sinking feeling that politics and wordly gains have become more important than the basic tenants of our faith. It further saddens me to see the youth of the community being brainwashed to an extent where they no longer can reason.

  • Seeking Peace

    PinkPolkaDot, multinational businesses built on home products cannot be built without women interacting with men. Mufaddal Saifuddin seems to warn against that evil in one of his sermons. He has said time and again that if you allow women to interact with “bemehram” men it can lead to “what not!” “Su thai sake che..!” Please don’t try to pretend that he wants women to open up world class enterprises when he is suggesting that they study home science. He is asking them to keep home more efficiently for their husbands – which in itself is not a bad thing, but it is a horrible way to define a woman

  • Naive

    That cognitive dissonance be because you crazy ! Why ponder over religion when all you care about is ethics , secularism is the true golden path , go on fellow atheist !

  • simplysayin

    Judging from the quality of the article and the quality of the comments of those who claim to be your friends, the loss is entirely theirs Shireen. I see a future for you where you will be blazing trails in all walks of life and I see success as your companion for life. You go girl!

  • observer

    Shireen – You and your family are brave and I salute your conviction to stand up against these tyrants. If the responses from PinkPolka and GH are any indication of the so called friends you have left behind then I think you are better off without these people in your life. The Talibanization of the Syedna Mufaddal bohras is going to drive more of the educated and thoughtful bohras away from the mainstream in the coming months and years including may be myself.

  • RIP SMB

    I am a member of DB and a follower of Seyedna Muffadal Saifuddin (TUS), and I would first like to say that not all of us (in fact, the majority of us are not) attacking you, nor are we (the majority) publically attacking KQ. Yes, we may say it under our breath and in the privacy of our jamaats, but you must remember, he has essentially called our maula a liar (via youtube, his public website, etc.). If he would have at least made this claim (using the exact same method – youtube, etc.) while Seyedna Mohammed Burhanuddin was alive, I would have given him some plausibility/respect. Sorry to go off topic, as this is not the point of my message.

    When I heard that you (Shirin) had chosen KQ, I was quite saddened, as I knew you would immediately feel the hatred/animosity from some of your closest friends. Its almost naive of you to be surprised by this. You attended Al-Jamea-tus-Saifiya which is essentially run and attended by those that are closest to Seyedna Muffadal Saifuddin. I have to say that I’m quite surprised and disappointed that you wrote this publically available article attacking our leader, which will cause even more attacks/slander onto you.

    I would just like to say that I am sorry there are some naive/angry followers of SMS who have attacked and continue to attack you, but they are the small minority. Yes, I know the majority have chosen to “excommunicate” (i.e. ignore) you, but again, you made the choice (which is 100% your right as a human being) to follow KQ who attacks our maula, and now you are choosing to publically attack our maula, so how can we be expected to not excommunicate you? Did you follow Seyedna Mohammed Burhanuddin when he instructed mumineen to “socially boycott” certain individuals? I also have to say that based on your article above, it seems like you just disagreed with SMS’ stance on women/education, knew that your parents/family were set on KQ, and made the “easier” choice of following KQ (someone who’s philosophy is easier to follow) vs. accepting SMS and internally struggling with how to understand and follow his more strict approach (like the majority of us).

    My final, and most important, message to all KQ followers and mumineen is this – be better. Ignore (i.e. excommunicate) the otherside, move on with your lives, grieve and reminisce over our beloved Seyedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, and know that you have the right to follow/love whomever you’d prefer and that it is simply wrong to hate and attack one another.

    • Respect

      Well said. Please don’t take some of the comments (like GH) as the majority. They really aren’t. With every following, you will have ignorant viewpoints.

      The problem is your attack on our moula (sms). Just agree to not see eye to eye with his farmans, don’t try to disrupt the iman of those who are following him, and be happy with your own decision and newly formed sect. You’re entitled to that. No one will stop you.

    • Impressed

      You call Shireen naive but I believe it is you who are naive. Your leadership is the one that inspired the hatred and then distanced themselves from it by calling on “kakajisaheb” to come and give him a big ol’ hug.. I was there. You cannot blame the followers to run with the idea and act on the hate that was inspired by the overly long, hateful speeches against Syedna Qutbuddin. You also cannot believe that Mufaddal Saifuddin was unaware or did not condone these things as it was happeneing in majlises run by his raza. It is this acting out of hate that drove some of us who could sense their fear to the FatemiDawat website. Mufaddal Saifuddin’s act of hypocricy was the biggest factor in convincing me that Syedna Qutbuddin spoke the truth.

      • 1WhoKnowzWhat

        Where was the hate? Khuzema and his family always chose to go left when Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin went right.
        Syedna Burhanuddin tried to appeal to Khuzema sooooo many times. He tried Syedna Mufaddal to marry Khuzema’s daughter, KQ broke it off. Syedna Burhanuddin tried to get Qusai bs to marry KQ’s daughter, she always shunned him. Syedna Burhanuddin engaged Ammar bs with KQ’s eldest daughter, she broke it off. Syedna Burhanuddin got Shz Huzefa bhaisab’s daughter with KQ’s son, KQ broke it off.

        It has always been Khuzema and his family who always shunned Syedna Burhanuddin.

  • Impressed

    I am so torn apart by this schism sister and I feel your pain. On the one hand I am convinced that Syedna Qutbuddin is the true Dai and I am revolted by the phony show of allegiance to Mufaddal Saifuddin and the constant demands for money in the masjid that I continue to visit. On the other hand, I cannot give up my family and friends who will undeniably try to change my mind and stop speaking with me if I do break away. Reading this article has given me the courage to speak to my family – inshAllah.

  • PinkPolkaDot FlyBirdyFly

    I don’t think you’ve understood the context and purpose of that particular bayaan or of any of our moula’s sermons considering you’re against his being your moula but still I’ll try to lay it out in easy words for you. Yes, an international business does require interaction with men. And yes, we are discouraged from that. TO CERTAIN EXTENTS. Stay in lihaaz and try not to be overly extroverted with men who aren’t your mehramdaar. Its not like thats bad advice right? Its an easy way to ensure your safety from a great many dangers the most extreme being rape. No one has told us to just sit at home for our husband, although I’m sure if you are running a business and brining a profit home your husband will benefit too. Same as when he brings home his earnings. This isn’t a men are superior to women conflict nor are we trying to define women this way. I think if you analyze the statements its actually just showing women a basic way to perform great khidmats that had been placed on the back burner and are now being being brought out again. And of course there are women doctors and lawyers and MBAs and all sorts of career women in our community but most have pursued their careers with two essential components that make it alright for them to do so: 1. Raza of moula 2. The end goal to in whatever way possible gain his happiness and serve him.
    When you love someone the way the entire community loves moula, you aspire to gain his happiness through his guidance. It’s the most efficient way. It’s not blackmail, or brainwashing, or peer pressure. It’s love. So when people in our community are asked to sign petitions and campaigns it’s not to pressurize or ostracize those who don’t wish to sign, it’s just a way for those who want to show their love and faith to do so. They sign it gladly and freely. Also, I’d like to reiterate, no one feels hate for you shireen, you made your decision and if it’s based on an academic viewpoint then you knew that excommunication and boycotting would be inevitable. You made a decision knowing the consequences, so now you’ve got two choices-stick with it and just accept your lot, or lessen the value of your decision by not accepting the consequences that came with it. There is no hate campaign against you or your leader. Just as his faction has made videos and websites to help his community be strong in their faith, so has our community as well. Their just points to help strengthen our beliefs with academical proofs and first hand accounts and such. And if your convinced your on the right path then don’t let them affect you, but if there’s even a little bit of doubt anywhere maybe you should watch/ read them, you might just find the clarification your looking for. The same way a greats many people who believe moula but sometimes stray due to distance and lack of conviction and ilm have found logical basis in these hujjats that sustain them. I’m not smart enough to provide an answer for everything, that’s my own human flaw and not a reflection of the entire community, but I can call it as I see it. Somethings require a third person view and somethings can only be understood by one completely involved in said issue. Personally, I’d trust the latter point of view because I’ve always preferred sympathy to pity.

    • Seeking Peace

      No matter how many words you try to veil it in, MS said that when men and women interact it will eventually lead to adultery. It is utter rubbish and does not make sense in any context. I am surprized that you think that the lack of interaction keeps women safe!
      And your comparison of the davedar videos to those on the FatemiDawat website is laughable. The davedar videos use street language that one would not want one’s children to hear. They don’t strengthen faith, they inspire hate. They don’t educate, they slander. Really Polka, you are clutching at straws. The hate campaign did happen. Hateful untruths WERE presented in long speeches in majlises called for mourning Burhanuddin Moula. The hate campaign did backfire and was then was hurriedly retracted.
      Many of us were present for all of it.
      Shireen will survive the excommunication. She has already moved on. You on the other hand are still commenting on her blog and addressing her directly. Please decide whether you are excommunicating her or not.

      • ShiningBright

        Those were not hate campaigns as you put it, they were Aqeedah’s presented by the brothers of the claimant which if you listened to with an unbiased mind had truths unraveling the years of deception and misguidance of the claimant, they (the brothers and those of a level who mumineen look up to) had to declare it in public, so as not to misguide any one and affirm their loyalty to aali qadr maula TUS, as the claimant is from amongst them. The Signature campaign was done at night, though an inappropriate time it had to be completed to give a reply to a letter being submitted by the claimant to govt. offices in India the next day. This Signature campaign was a reply to a step taken by the claimant, it was not a preemptive one. First steps against Dawat and Maula RA were taken now and were taken many years ago by the claimant, devious and cunning ones, hidden ones as he wanted to establish his own dawat. Everyone understands aapni zabaan, ie daawat ni zaaban written in arabic script transliterated from gujrati, this statement, ‘aa daavedar potani shaan ma chalto tho ane chale che’ (the claimant walks reveling in his own imagined greatness, used to and now revealed) has meanings behind it for those who want to know the truth. Imagine the arrogance, the pride, the self importance, the self greatness of such a person. These thoughts are against Islam in every way. They go against humility, humbleness against being human itself, against insaniyaat. They are the original negative thoughts from ibleesiyat, expanded over time by people with similar ones.

        • Seeking Peace

          It seems to me that you are calling Syedna Qutbuddin Iblis. Nauzobillah. Why did Aqa Burhanuddin elevate him to the second highest office in Dawat? Why insist on keeping him in that office despite the anti-Mazoon campaign of the last quarter decade? Please don’t give me the tired old “keeping enemy close” excuse. Burhanuddin Moula cared too much about his mumineen to let them take his name in misaq for 50 years, to pray for his long life after morning namaaz, to put his name in ruku chitthi – if he was indeed Iblis as you imply. Burhanuddin Moula RA appointed him Mazoon because he was deserving of the rutba. Burhanuddin Moula did not make a colossal mistake as you are implying.
          Any speech in which the curse of Allah is called upon the subject is a hateful speech. Aqeedahs presented in the masjid were hateful and surreal, given that these people placed Syedna Qutbuddin’s name in a piece of paper held in the hands of their dead relatives until a few days ago. Mumineen then acted out their hate on followers of Syedna Qutbuddin

          • ShiningBright

            nowhere has it been said what you said above, these are your thoughts from your own mind, not mine. Ibleeseyat and being Iblees are very different. If you intend on calling him what you called him, I have no arguments on this :). I do not call the claimant any such word, rather the same behavior or qualities that caused that angel to be removed, ie self arrogance, self greatness, applying his own mind when what is required is blind obedience, these are present in the character of the claimant, anyone who can be objective can see this.
            However, since you require clarification kindly read the 3 sentences preceding the last of my comment above again.

          • Oath OfQuraan

            I have been hearing this discussion in my jamaat as to the comparison of Rasullah keeping his enemies close, and similarly Burhanuddin mola doing the same with Mazun mola thus implying that Mazun mola was being kept at his esteemed position out of fear ..my question is “fear of what ?”…. If you have read Islamic history you would know how powerful those 3 shayateen were…on the other hand Mazun mola was the youngest of all the brothers(and was absolutely in no position to cause damage to Dawat), and still Burhanuddin mola made him his Mazun…. So that reasoning is just a farce and total crap from the kothar.

            second thing I have been hearing is about Iblis being an angel could turn against Allah and so why not Mazun.
            I was surprise when our stupid aamilsaheb also claimed Iblis as farishta. I have attended mukasir mola’s ( hussain bhaiseb) where in he clearly mention that Iblis was a Jin but had done so many years if khidmat that he used to be around farishtas. He himself was never a farishta. by nature farishat

          • Impressed

            Oh don’t get hung up on technicalities Shining. Seeking’s point was you are implying that in appointing someone with negative qualities as Mazoon, Burhanuddin Aqa made a huge mistake. Did he then?! What did this sidelined Mazoon have to offer Burhanuddin Moula in a worldly way? Awwal etc. could offer many worldly benefits for the spread of Islam. That is why Rasullulah SAW kept them close. Why did Burhanuddin Moula maintain Khuzaima Qutbuddin as the Mazoon? Did our Dai make a colossal mistake? Or was he indeed protecting the life of his successor by maintaining him in the rutba?

          • 1WhoKnowzWhat

            You seem to be falsely under the impression that a position of mazoon is a guaranteed seat to dai-ship.

            Syedna Burhanuddin obligingly made KQ mazoon but then made Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin the 53rd dai.

            That’s Syedna Burhanuddin’s prerogative and his alone.
            End of story.

    • Seeking Peace

      Those who wanted to sign willingly, obviously did so, whatever their motivation. Those who did not want to sign were also unfortunately forced to sign because of the presence of Burhani Guards/chamchas in their little chawl rooms or SBUT provided temporary housing. Therein lies the problem. It always amuses me that people extrapolate the events and sentiments prevalent in bubbles in the west to the rule-of-fear Bohra neighborhoods of Mumbai…Really Polka, do you think that an old aunt and uncle in bhendi bazaar get the same treatment that you do with your fat salams and pretty shoes? Whereas you are courted with pretty manners, they are threatened and coerced. It was never the way of Burhanuddin Moula but it definitely was the way of the administration placed around him by some of his sons. So don’t you be saying EVERYONE signed out of love :-) if there was so much overflowing love, what was the need for a signature campaign?

  • ShiningBright

    The author of this blog, Shireen has not understood the meaning behind
    what was said in the waaz. No where was it said that women deserve to be
    behind the chula or sit at home. It is the authors inference, not the
    meaning. Perhaps due to her fear of being left behind at home, or whatever, I do not wish to understand her state of mind, In doing so I would have to go to that
    level. Cooking is prevalent and is one among ways to express love for her family, and support for children, which is the actual meaning of aali qadr maula tus. He does not mean that working is not allowed, and if there is a need to work, wear clothes which would not attract unwanted attention. If this authors mind is open and sense prevails, she would realize that the claimant is falling down a slippery slope, getting less slippery now, along with him, his misguidance to people who follow him will take them to a place from where there can be no return once its reached its logical bottom.
    There is hope yet for those who are on this slippery slide, think a
    little more out of the box that you currently are in, more than what you have thought and you may surprise yourself with the answers your mind would receive.

    • Seeking Peace

      http://youtu.be/p9NOmSf7wQM

      Pray what part of this waaz is ambiguous? Perhaps where he says “men should ask their wives to wear a rida,,,and they should tell their wives Get out of my house’ if they don’t do it” Listen to you guys. No one is making these things up. He actually said them.

      • Respect

        These comments mirror the progressive Dawoodi bhora forums. Sounds like the qutbi bhoras and the progressives are a match made in heaven. Just unite and start your new faith. Chup chap. Anyone is free to join you and no one will stop you. Stop wasting time blogging and start your dawat.

        • Seeking Peace

          Since you have no defense for the content you make personal comments. When I need your advice about what I should or should not do, I will seek it.

          • Guest

            Though these comments seem to be in reply to you, they are in no way meant only for you, Peace. Obey your own namesake ID :) .

        • 1WhoKnowzWhat

          Totally second your first statement! This has become devil’s playground. Khuzaima and his cohorts, so called progressive and the udaipurias have all teamed together to bash their one single enemy, the Dawoodi Bohras.

      • ShiningBright

        As per the passage of time, the doat mutlaqeen are the zaman’s ( current time period) caretakers (for all mumineen). They act as per the situations in this time period, each dai uz zaman does so. In this current time period the main concern of aali qadr maula tus is simple, to ensure that immorality (including tobacco, alcohol, adultery or even rape) is removed, ladies do not remain unmarried and that ladies attend to their house (of course cooking is one part) and if needed work, but not at night shifts which is the time of the majority of call centers. Perhaps another reason could be the extreme career orientation of some muminaat’s as though they are married to their careers rather than have a life, which aali qadr maula tus is concerned of, regardless of the muminaats own concern for themselves which they would realize only when its too late. Islam has got strict reactions for immoral actions… which is what maula tus wants to save us from.
        Is it wrong for maula tus to protect such people and warn others from doing such things ?
        Maulas tus needs to be concerned as this zamaans caretaker (for all mumineen) that those who do this or are doing so should not and those who have not should take care this never happens,
        Is it so wrong for maula tus to take care of such types ? or to prevent others from going on the wrong path ?

      • Reaganomics Suck

        Perhaps a Muslim spiritual leader is putting so much stress on wearing a veil (rida) because it is REQUIRED BY THE FAITH HE IS PREACHING. The veil is generally considered to be required for muslim women, according to most muslim scholars; this can be confirmed via a google search.

        Do you want him to go ahead and say that something mandated by God (this is the consensus of most muslim scholars, as well as the 52nd dai) should be optional?

        I’m sure that you revere Syedna Burhanuddin (ra)– he also stressed that women don the rida. I don’t know whether your agenda includes making the rida optional, but if it is, that would be (according to most muslim scholars) un-islamic. Furthermore, if that is your agenda, it is directly contrary to the instruction of Syedna Burhanuddin (ra).

        To address what was said in the bayan: I’m sure you know many bohra women (even ones who are very strong in their faith) who don’t wear rida continually. Their husbands have not kicked them out of the house, have they? Please, inform me of a single genuine case in which a husband has thrown their wife out of the house for not wearing a rida. Wearing the rida may be required by our faith, but as you very well know, people are not perfect. A rida may not be compatible with everyone’s lifestyle. it’s not as if every farman made by Moula is strictly adhered to; I think that everyone can acknowledge this. But that doesn’t mean that a religious leader should back down from teaching the faith the way it is meant to be taught.

        Again, I don’t know what it is you want (concerning rida ‘rules), or what Mr. Qutbuddin promises you regarding the rida; but what I do believe is that a spiritual and religious leader’s job is to preach the religion of God, not to create exceptions based on the ever-changing preferences of the adherents.

  • Mohamed Abdulla

    A lot of people feel the same way as Ms. Shireen Hamza , however with reasons clearly stated by others in comments, I understand why people are not willing to take a public stand in favour of Syedna Khuzaima Qutbudin (TUS). If we are a religious faith based on Aql (Intellect)we should be driven by conviction, hence I would expect the majority to follow Syedna Khuzaima Qutbudin (TUS), However, should we consider ourselves an indian Tribe with delusions of being a religious cult, then we are likely to follow former Shahzada Muffadal Saifudin.

    • 1WhoKnowzWhat

      Go sit in any of Khuzaima’s bayans then talk about aql.
      It is the person himself, the delusion master Khuzaima himself. Sane people would not give him any time of the day.
      The guy who always prays maghrib qazaa is expected to be followed by a million? ha ha. Are you sure you are not one of Khuzaima’s litter?

  • PinkPolkaDot FlyBirdyFly

    I don’t think you know who I am that you can claim my shoes are pretty and my salaams are fat? I can assure that I come from a family of modest means and although yes, I’m moderately better off than some, there are many more who are much much better off than I am. You don’t know me, so please don’t even pretend to. Since #shiningbright already explained the reason for campaign signing and videos I’ll just get straight to the interaction point. No one said that ALL interaction leads to adultery. But it’s foolish to assume that that doesn’t happen at all either I mean a quick look around shows us the effects of affairs on everyone around the couple. And it’s usually always between two who have had another relationship for quite some time as opposed to random strangers. But look, I don’t have to convince you or even prove my point to you because let’s face it, you don’t want to believe what I say you just want to go on and on about how Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin(tus)’s bayaan makes no sense to you; that’s alright because it doesn’t make sense to rocks either. As for old uncles and aunties in bhendi bazaar, I know many of them well, if they hadn’t wanted to sign no one would have kicked them out of their houses or anything and if they were coerced(which they weren’t) then they could have always retracted their statement. That’s all whatever, every person as an individual has to make their own decision in a number of situations. Shireen has made hers. I’ve made mine. Those aunties and uncles have decided on their course of action. So you’re right maybe this will be my last comment because I’ve a life to live as well and wasting it replying to people who aren’t listening isn’t a good use of it at all. You’re user name is seeking peace, I want it too maybe silence and acceptance that we belong to different factions that will probably never get along is it. Maybe the ending of this public slandering and display of hate is it. If it is, then I’ll start trying for it now by saying peace out man!

    • ShiningBright

      I agree, not possible to argue with people who have unbreakable rocks in their minds and souls. Those who have decided have decided however misguided, and I for one, do not want to reach the level they are at, to explain to them…
      If their better sense prevails perhaps their eyes will open, all the better for them and here’s wishing them luck .

    • Seeking Peace

      I am already out living my life! Just because you say we have rocks in our hearts does not mean it is true. You are entitled to your opinions though, so let’s leave it at that!

  • Khuzema

    Well, Syedna Aali Qadr Muffadal Moula (TUS), bayan on women is taken out of context and you can hold on to this straw and attack Him. But the reality is whatever He has said is bayan, came either from Holy Quran, Aawliya’s document and similiar literature.

    In anyway thats does not make KQ a religious leader of any sort as is he is not and will be not. For the fact that are mentioned elsewhere at believesyednaqutbuddin or dawadarnikahani.

    Edit 1: As in any religion, its not a convenience of individual by which a religion is conducted. The religious leader has his duty to foresee the problems and guide the community. Its perfectly fine you feel connection with KQ. Remember: Bird of same feather flocks to gether. Congrats.

    Edit 2: Are you sure He (Aali Qadr TUS) has not done or doing anything for the women, or you prefer He sent you email with the every update :))

    • Seeking Peace

      In what context is it OK to ask a man to throw his wife out of the house if she does not wear a rida? Or to question why women go to University? It is a direct contradiction of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin’s hidayat. You cannot make excuses for it because you believe him to be your leader.

      • Khuzema

        Again well, its very presumptuous to consider a Bawa Shafiq (TUS) would want to do any such thing to His followers or/and their families. Its like Allah is Not Allah because He asked Ibrahim (AS) to slay his son. If you just understood his words at its surface level, you are better off with some else ;). You know what I mean.

        • Seeking Peace

          Exactly my point. When Allah asked Ibrahim(AS) to go forth and slay his son, he set forth to do so without questioning it. When Mufaddal Bhaisaheb asks mumineen to throw their wives out if they do not wear a rida, mumineen make excuses and say THAT is not what he actually means, he means something else.

          • Khuzema

            Ha Ha ha, they make excuses or they follow somebody else who is more convenient to their liking.

  • Seeking Peace

    Already out living my life! Just because you say we have rocks in our hearts does not mean it is true. You are entitled to your opinions though, so let’s leave it at that!

    • 1WhoKnowzWhat

      What the hell are you getting so emotional about? There is no substance in Khuzaima Qutbuddin’s claims.

      Firstly, there is NO evidence of nass on Khuzaima Qutbuddin because nass can be private but NEVER without witnesses.

      Second, even if, let’s assume for a second that nass was done 50 years back, Syedna Burhanuddin automatically retracted it when he did nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin in Roudat Tahera couple of years back. I was there and I heard it and 1000s did too.

      Third, we have always known that Aali Qadr had a nirali shaan. And there are documents to prove nass on him and Shahzada’s eye witness in London as well.

      You need to get off off this Khuzaima’a delusion of grandeur.

  • Murtaza Shk Abbas
  • Truth Prevails

    Aziz Poonawala’s article can’t be further from the truth.
    He denies the hate campaign ever took place, all the lanat sessions in the masjids around the world which were encouraged for the first 15 days after wafat of Burhanuddin Moula RA cannot be swept away under the rug just because Aziz did not witness them. Is he not aware of the same being continued in the madressah classes. Denying them will not mean these did not happen. Many people participated in these lanat sessions with a lot of fervor and there were many more which were turned off by these hateful sessions, hence the reversal in policy was quite evident in the first waaz by MS.

    Aziz and Pink Polka are quite naive to believe that the late night door knocking in mohallas to collect signatures in support of MS was an outpouring of love or as per Aziz never happened. They are so far removed from Bhendi Bazaar and Bangalore and Secunderabad that they are ignorant of the harassment and public disgrace of those who sympathized with Syedna Qutbudin. I myself have been subject to harassing phone calls at all times of day and night and have a collection of hate messages in my voice mail.

    Aziz quite naively tries to show the difference between the claims based on the number of followers with 3 photographs, let me remind Aziz, there were only 80 supportes left with Nooh Nabi, all others left him, only a few handful supporters with Moulana Ali after Rasullulah passed away, only 72 with Aqa Hussain, and in more recent times majority of the mumineen got swayed by Suleiman including the entire family of Syedna Dawood bin Ajabshah. His Mazoon Syedna Dawood bin Qutubshah who was the true mansoos was left with a small number of believers. So don’t go by numbers, time will show Syedna Qutbuddin is on Haqq.

    MS and his camp have asked bohras not even to go to the FatemiDawat website, because they are afraid that people will start thinking and that is harmful for them. Despite all efforts thousands have visited the website and keep coming back again and again.

    This is the dawat of Imamuz zaman, it will flourish, Fatemi Dawat will flourish!
    May mumineen get the tawfeeq to differentiate between haqq and batil, and may they get the strength to stand for haqq. Shirin Hamza has shown the strength of her conviction and her courage in standing up against tremendous peer pressure. Way to go Shirin!

    • 1WhoKnowzWhat

      Good for you!
      But please just ask your leaders (Khuzaima’s sons mostly) to stop spamming our email, text and whatssapp accounts.

    • 1WhoKnowzWhat

      Khuzaima’s son in law Abduz Zaher has publicly said laanat on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin, but I guess that’s ok with you.

      • dd

        This is a lie. Completely made up story. Don’t believe a word of 1WhoKnowzWhat.

    • Khuzema

      Charming, 72 with Hussain (AS) etc. As Mirza Ghalib said “DIL KO BEHLANE KE LIYE GHALIB YE KHAYAL ACHHA HAI,”

      Well, Imam Hussain (AS) did not sent notice that the property belongs to him nor did Nooh Nabi etc.

      While Moula Ali were preparing for RasullAllah’s dhafan, KQ was organizing his website launch at Darus Sakhifa. Interesting,

      In the Grandeur of illusion, what they thought that with the website launch and claiming false nass, all the mumineen will flock to his door step leaving Haq na sahib (read) Aali Qadr Aqa Moula (TUS). Wow very interesting.

    • Impressed

      Thoughtfully presented Truth. InshaAllah I will learn your real identity soon and will be proud to make your acquaintance. You are so right about Shireen.

  • Seeking Peace

    WhoKnowsWhat – Let’s just say You Know Nothing. That is as far as I will dignify your comments. Go back to the Progressive Bohras forum where you came from.

    • 1WhoKnowzWhat

      Yea’ right. Do you even know what “Progressive Bohras” are?

      You are either Zahra Vahanvaty, Ramlah, Taiyeba, B Tahera, B. Saifiya, Abduz Zaher, Murtaza Vahanvaty, Moiz Mohyuddin, Husain Q, Aziz Q, TB, or one of their 17 other cohorts.

      Go take a chill pill. You Khuzaima followers are nothing but a pathetic, laughable bunch of megalomaniacs.

      We are the true Dawoodi Bohras, the followers of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin.

      • Truth Prevails

        You are the true Mufaddalis, you can’t even claim you are the followers of SMB, you were giving hypocritical misaaq for 50 years and harboring the adawat of the mazoon and in turn the dai for 50 years!

        • 1WhoKnowzWhat

          Wrong!

          We have heard Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin confer nass upon Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin and we will follow.

          If Khuzaima had stayed in line and been a taabein of 52nd dai, maybe just maybe he would have rightfully earned the 53rd daiship.

          • Impressed

            No one “earns” the daiship. It is conferred. It was conferred upon Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin. In the absence of any convincing proof on either side, one has to accept the word of the mazoon over that of the sons. Simple really. Little dairies and the words of Dr. Moiz are not cutting it for me. In fact the only thing that the nass charade in Raudat Tahera proved to me is that these people were scared and were willing to put on a show and go to great lengths to propagate a lie.

          • Khuzema

            Did anyone of you verified the document that its is legitimate or not? If you really interested in truth and have courage, read believesyednaqutbuddin.com as I studied fatelidawat website.

          • Seeking Peace

            Been there sir. Nothing to write home about. The premise of most arguments is that Syedna Qutbuddin is an evil person. Those of us who have been fortunate enough to encounter him, know otherwise.

          • Khuzema

            Well, you mentioned evil, I understood as, he is confused. Other than that what cocktail Hussain Qutbuddin is making of dawat literature, its clearifies them. All what Husain says is Zikar aawi che, Zikar aawi che, su Zikar aawi che bhai.

          • 1WhoKnowzWhat

            Scared really????

            So why did Khuzema’s own brothers and sisters and their kin abandon him ? All of them. Why? Let’s say they were scared before but now they could have come running to Khuzema after Syedna Burhanuddin’s demise but they choose to be with Syedna Mufaddal.

            I and my family were one of the lovers of the Mazoon and we abandoned him because we saw that he was only after his shaurat and bhabko and money. He always competed with the Dai and never looked after Syedna Burhanuddin. That’s why people left KQ and still leave him.

      • Khuzema

        1WhoKnowzWhat, Bhai, Just see when Burhanuddin Aqa RA were alive, KQ wajifat sukr bhi dhang si na pado, Muqqadas Moula RA ni shahat par girani hati to kiyare ek ansu na nikalo.

        Burhanuddin Aqa RA ni hikmat dekho, aaje KQ and his cohorts Burhanuddin Aqa RA kehta kehta nathi thakta ane KQ khoon na ansu roi rahyo che. Burhanuddin Aqa toh Burhanuddin Aqa che.

        • 1WhoKnowzWhat

          All these people commenting in favor of KQ here are KQ’s family members and some who are taking advantage of the whole situation like “progressives” and such.

          • Khuzema

            Please don’t mention udaipurwala, Khuzema son went to Udaipur many times, mumineen na alawa, bija firka na logo ye pan ahne wahan si hakali dido.

          • 1WhoKnowzWhat

            wow! really!

            ok. shukran, bhai.

          • Impressed

            Neither. But thank you. I would love to be mistaken for a Qutbuddin any day!

          • Khuzema

            Now don’t pretend, tell me who you are? let me guess Abduz Zaher, right 😉

          • Impressed

            hmm get the gender right first! maybe then you can tackle the gene pool. Doubt you know me though. I for sure don’t know any low life like you.

          • 1WhoKnowzWhat

            Yea’ your Khuzema taught u well. calling people low lives.

          • Impressed

            Please accept my apologies. I needn’t have called you that. Totally redundant since you already proved yourself as one with your posts. Adios brother. Signing out of this discussion board before I say anything worse.

          • 1WhoKnowzWhat

            Bye Arwa, Tahera, ramlah or shireen …..or zahra

          • Seeking Peace

            I agree with Impressed. Being mistaken for a Qutbuddin is a compliment. As far as being a “Progressive,” you just accused me of not knowing who they are.

  • Impressed

    With each additional personal attack and insult from the Mufaddal Saifuddin supporters, I am convinced that my first instinct to accept Syedna Qutbuddin as my Dai was correct. He did not need to do a nass charade which was an insult to the intelligence of mumineen the world over; he did not need to produce a new document upon realizing that people saw through the nass charade. He simply told it like it happened with his hand on the Qur’an. I will answer his call.
    Other than Respect and RIP SMB, I have not seen any civilized comments from MS followers. I will be giving my misaaq to Qutbuddin Moula shortly and inshaAllah I will convince my family over time.

    • 1WhoKnowzWhat

      Why have you been waiting for so long? Khuzaima and his family need laborers. They are short-handed. Go take the next flight. Just leave us alone.ta ta

    • Khuzema

      Congrats for your misaq,

      I know it took KQ and his followers by big surprise that how Burhanuddin Aqa RA had insured and taken measures for each possibilities and documented every thing with witnesses, for nass on Aali Qadr Aqa Moula (TUS)

      If only KQ had known better that Dai has a foresight from Allah. Now, only path he has is denial.

  • observer

    Looks like Shireen has gotten the attention of the Bohra thugs. I’m not a
    supporter of KQ and after witnessing the shenanigans of the last few
    months am a hesitant follower of the mainstream bohra faith given that’s
    all I have known since birth and is a source of several important
    social ties in my life. There are many people who feel like me and it’s
    hard for them to relate to the several SMS supporters commenting out
    here. Here are some simple facts for non bohras browsing through this
    forum.

    1) There is a split within the sect, both leaders are
    related and the administration of the religious funds, properties along
    with all the institutions and their leadership are with the previous
    leader’s son Mufaddal Saifuddin. They naturally have had an advantage
    over the years of a strong network and control given the in laws and
    brothers of Mufaddal Saifuddin have been running the Bohra Dawat. (Muffy
    Bohras)
    2) The small splinter group supporting Khuzema Qutbuddin,
    the step brother of the previous leader are naturally at a major
    disadvantage and going through what Shireen mentioned in her essay; but
    what else are you going to expect from the majority? They want to crush
    the dissent so this issue is closed forever and they can move on on with
    their merry lives.
    3) The leader of the Muffys is very conservative
    and his sermons highlight his views (it’s not just one
    sermon but several of them and the bohra administration have sought to
    remove the videos off YouTube so there is clear evidence that it’s not
    something they are proud off). The Qutbis want to leverage these
    opinions to garner more support as a liberal option but given that
    Mufaddal Saifuddin is considered infallible, his followers as you have
    noticed over here are a lost cause for them except for a few who are unable to “come out” because of fear of social boycott.
    4)
    People like me are on the sidelines,
    disillusioned while questioning why the heck do we follow this cult of
    personality with two groups fighting over a rightful heir of a non
    existent kingdom (with loads of money)? The answer is very simple. Many
    of us are cultural bohras tied to this community through our families
    and like some other small sects with cult like tendencies; the cost of
    questioning the religious leadership and or practices is very high
    (excommunication not just from the community but also the loss of family
    and friends under pressure from the religious leaders). We chose to
    treat this as a cultural country club where we pay our dues and move on
    with our lives. The sermons from SMS don’t align with our views so we
    just just chose to ignore them. KQ has this group’s
    sympathies because of the heavy handed approach of the SMS crew but not
    their support because we don’t really believe in this stuff enough to
    take a stand.

    • 1WhoKnowzWhat

      U seem smart. Start your own firka, cult, religion whatever. Let’s see how much guts and capabilities u have.

      • observer

        You are doing a great job representing SMS, I don’t need to create a “firka” to prove my point:)

        • 1WhoKnowzWhat

          Hah! Dream on, bubba. Even if you wanted you could not create a firka. Learn from KQ and weep.

    • Impressed

      Brother Observer you ain’t getting much value for your money in this club. If this was a club, for the money I put in, I’d want a pool, horses and a Michelin star restaurant…at the very least… You are getting so gyped 😉

    • 1WhoKnowzWhat

      You consider yourself a Bohra only culturally so either side shouldn’t matter to you.
      Most people in the world are just that, culturally Jewish or Christian or Hindu or Mormon.

  • 1WhoKnowzWhat

    Do people know how your delusional master Khuzema makes money? By gambling on the stock market. Big time. Ask his chamcha Taher Master from Chicago.
    Your pious one KQ makes all his money from investing in interest based schemes.


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