Pewsitter says girl “admits” to being raped

A screenshot of Pewsitter from earlier today:

 

 

Schoolgirl “admits” being raped?

“Admits?”

I clicked on the link, and that’s what the headline says in the original article, too. I’d say Pewsitter was just unthinkingly reproducing the headline and bears no responsibility for the outrageous implications of that word, but anyone who’s been on Pewsitter’s vast and trackless bad side knows that they routinely make up headlines that suggest whatever they want to suggest. “Admits” is the word they liked.

The hell with them.

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  • Christine Rademacher

    The hell with you! Calumny & detraction much? You are hateful.

    • BillyT92679

      The irony is sadly hysterical. I don’t know if she is being serious or not.

  • $1028912

    I am not familiar with Pewsitter.

    But even before I clicked the link, I wondered if perhaps the article was going to be about something that happened in a country where raped women can be accused of unlawful intercourse? Sure enough, it was — and I think it’s all about context. Synonyms of “admit” include “acknowledge, confess, reveal, make known, disclose, divulge, make public, avow, declare, profess…” etc. Not all of them imply guilt, blame or shame.

    In any case of rape, the shame belongs to the perpetrator, NOT the victim, but there are unfortunately many cultures in which victims have good reason for not wanting to reveal what happened to them….and when they do, “admit” is simply acknowledging the truth of something that took place. They’re divulging information — nothing more, nothing less.

    Now I must go check out Pewsitter, if it arouses this much strong feeling in people!

    • simchafisher

      In the United States, the word “admit” does imply guilt, blame or shame. I wouldn’t “admit” to being robbed or to having cancer.

      If the story provided background, and explained that girls who are raped are often punished for adultery or fornication, then there might possibly be some justification for using that word in the headline. But the story didn’t provide any of that context.

      Pewsitter has a long history of rewriting headlines with an editorial, often misleading slant — or sometimes reproducing headlines exactly, but adding a skeptical question mark. They chose to reproduce this headline exactly.

      The most charitable reading I can muster is that they were extremely careless by allowing what is, in the U.S., an extremely offensive implication, to remain in the headline.

      • Brian

        You have got to be kidding! These young Christian girls are abducted and raped on a truly epic scale, essentially enduring an ongoing martyrdom for the Faith, and you are quibling about the editorial choice of a word and whether it lays blame at the wrong feet!? Only in peacetime. Only in America.

        My takeaway from this story is only this. Our Sisters and Brothers are losing their heads. Families, mothers, babies are being put to the sword and young girls are being brutally raped FOR THEIR FAITHFULNESS TO OUR GOD!

        Yes, maybe the title was a bad choice of words, but really who cares? Think about this: Our turn at martyrdom in some form may one day come to us or those we love and will we be as heroically faithful as these young, heroic girls. I hope I can have a shred of their courage. Hurt feelings and damaged sensibilities will have no place in such a time which is fast upon us.

        God sees these precious girls, and their reward will be immense.

        • Monica

          I don’t understand what you’re saying. If “girls are abducted and raped on a truly epic scale,” and they are, then civilized humans everywhere should be really freaking careful not to blame these girls for what’s happened to them. Because some people are already doing just that, on a truly epic scale.

        • Monica

          Anyway, Boko Haram are raping Muslim girls too. Boko Haram do what they do because they are evil misogynistic bastards.

      • $1028912

        Because the word SOMETIMES implies blame, I would avoid using it myself.
        If you Google “admitted she was raped” and “admitted she was molested” in quotation marks, you will find mostly U.K, not U.S. publications use the term to mean the more neutral “revealed.”

      • Mara319

        “In the United States, the word “admit” does imply guilt, blame or shame. ”
        No it doesn’t.

      • AugustineThomas

        You would feel guilt, blame or shame for having cancer? Guilt for what? Playing too close to the power lines?
        (Should I label you an insensitive monster based on what you’ve done to cancer patients here today??!)

      • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

        I am with Lisa …

        “Synonyms of “admit” include “acknowledge, confess, reveal, make known, disclose, divulge, make public, avow, declare, profess…” etc. Not all of them imply guilt, blame or shame.”

        Simcha, I think you are letting your dislike of Pewsitter cloud your judgement.

        • sillyinterloper

          Says the writer who gets favorable headlines from Pewsitter.

          • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

            And?

          • sillyinterloper

            And maybe there’s more than one way to be biased ; )

  • AquinasMan
    • AquinasMan

      Nevermind. I read your entry a little closer. Need coffee…

  • Jude

    Admit: to confirm that something is true with reluctance. Isn’t it true that in that part of the world one whom has been raped is often seen as defiled, tainted, damaged goods. Also, many rape victims are reluctant to admit what has happened to them, as though until they speak it, it is somehow less real.
    What is your beef with Pewsitter? Dial back your hysteria.

    • sillyinterloper

      From the Associated Press Stylebook:

      “Admit, Admitted: These words may in some contexts give the erroneous connotation of wrongdoing.

      A person who acknowledges that he is a recovering alcoholic, for example, is not admitting it. Said is usually sufficient.”

      That’s the whole entry, and the guide for most reporters everywhere. Pretty clear to people who understand the language.

      • Jude

        Did you happen to catch that part about “in some contexts”? So, in other words, not in all contexts. Perhaps not in the context that I mentioned above. And actually, I do understand the language. I worked briefly as a reporter, until I discovered that journalism is largely a voyeuristic, parasitic non-profession. (If this statement confuses you, do a little research into what exactly constitutes a profession.)

        • sillyinterloper

          Is arguing in com boxes a profession? Cause you may want to reconsider that plan, too.

        • Mike Gannome

          “Admit” was a poor choice of words, even if it could technically fit in some contexts.

        • Monica

          In the context of talking about rape, it ABSOLUTELY carries connotations of blame. Because blaming rape survivors for getting raped is something that people do ALL THE TIME.

    • Monica

      It’s BECAUSE “one whom[sic] has been raped is often seen as defiled, tainted, damaged goods” that civilized people shouldn’t use language that implies rape survivors SHOULD feel that way.

  • JTLiuzza

    “The hell with them” ??

    What does that mean? Perhaps you meant to use the phrase “to hell with them” which is obviously a very serious condemnation. But “the hell with them” is meaningless.

    • Monica

      Are you freaking kidding me right now.

      • Mara319

        “The hell with them.”
        What? It’s not even a sentence! Ungrammatical!

        • Monica

          You all get fifty derailment points.

  • Sancte_Alphonse

    What? I’m not sure what you’re even talking about? What’s wrong with the word admit?

    • Monica

      It implies guilt. I would “admit” to having stolen something, for instance. To say that a rape survivor “admits” being raped is to imply that she should be blamed for it.

      • Sancte_Alphonse

        It doesn’t imply guilt… read the comment by Jude: “Admit: to confirm that something is true with reluctance. Isn’t it
        true that in that part of the world one whom has been raped is often
        seen as defiled, tainted, damaged goods. Also, many rape victims are
        reluctant to admit what has happened to them, as though until they speak
        it, it is somehow less real.
        What is your beef with Pewsitter? Dial back your hysteria.”

        I agree and concur with this comment. There is something more behind this bloggers condemnation of pewsitter who reported what was reported with the same words the original story was reported… reportedly.

        • Monica

          Read my reply to Jude: “It’s BECAUSE “one whom[sic] has been raped is often seen as defiled, tainted, damaged goods” that civilized people shouldn’t use language that implies rape survivors SHOULD feel that way.”

      • Mara319

        It does not imply guilt. It only means “to confirm.” Clean up your dirty mind.

        • Monica

          Because “admit” is most commonly used in situations involving blame, it DOES carry connotations of blame. Objecting to victim-blaming doesn’t mean I have a dirty mind.

  • Mark Power

    You argue like a liberal. Why don’t you READ what you are objecting to? The Headline was not chosen by PewSitter but the site where the news story originated: “Escaped Christian Schoolgirl Admits Being Raped 15 Times a Day by Boko Haram Islamists”
    at http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/escaped-christian-schoolgirl-admits-being-raped-15-times-per-day-by-boko-haram-islamists/
    I suppose checking your bias long enough to check the facts would be too much to ask?

    • Mara319

      Good point.

      • Monica

        Fisher took that into account in her post. Did you read it?

  • sillyinterloper

    From the Associated Press Stylebook:

    “Admit, Admitted: These words may in some contexts give the erroneous connotation of wrongdoing.
    A person who acknowledges that he is a recovering alcoholic, for example, is not admitting it. Said is usually sufficient.”

    That’s the whole entry, and the guide for most reporters everywhere. Pretty clear to people who understand the language.

    • Mara319

      AP is wrong. At UPI, AFP, BBC, the word “admit” merely means “to confirm.” Get over it.

      • Monica

        But it has *connotations* of guilt, which should be avoided since blaming rape victims is such a huge problem.

  • anna lisa

    To hell with the false God these Muslim extremists worship. They are Satanists.
    To hell with Western sensibilities that offers up lip service for the plight of the schoolgirls.
    Our countries would only act like they cared if there was oil there.

    • somnipod

      But Anna Lisa… Islam (the religion of peace) worships the same god.
      And, as pope Francis said, Islamists should “hold fast to their Koran”…
      The second Vatican council even said that Muslims can be saved and we all know there is no need to be Catholic anymore, right?

      • anna lisa

        please refer to the above. Peace.

    • $1028912

      Boko Haram represents Islam about as much as the people who bomb abortion clinics represent Christianity.

      • anna lisa

        Lisa, I know. The most Christian friend I had growing up is Muslim. I love her to death. Her Mom is a lovely woman of God, and she treated me like a daughter. She could barely speak English when I met her. She was utterly delighted when her daughter told her I was Catholic.
        Interestingly enough, she sent her children to Marymount in Iran. Pure hearts that seek God follow Him,

        • MDK66

          Just because there is a nice muslim that you love to death doesn’t mean the actual faith is good. Killing is allowed. Deceit to advance islam is expected. It’s in the Koran. Those muslims who disagree with the violent side of islam are islam’s protestants. They would be killed in a real islamic country that uses sharia law.

          • anna lisa

            What is good is written on the hearts of all of God’s children. The ones who follow hate, follow a false prophet–antichrist.
            “and if I know the language of God, and yet have not LOVE, I am but a gong.”
            –it will go worse for Christians who become disciples of hate, We say we have known Christ crucified.

          • MDK66

            Mohammad is a false prophet.

          • anna lisa

            I believe you are correct. My friend and her family seek to follow God. The founder of the Legionaries of Christ was a false prophet according to B16,

      • MDK66

        Boko Haram is more faithful to Islam than you think. It is not a “religion of peace.”

        • $1028912

          Sure it is.

          • MDK66

            That “religion of peace” twaddle was advanced after 9/11 so as not to anger muslim countries, specifically Saudi Arabia (think oil).

          • $1028912

            I condemn the violence of extremists of any flavor. My views on Islam are shaped by what I’ve read on my own, and on Muslims I have known personally.

            ….just as my views in Buddhism are shaped by the same, and not on what some of the monks in Myanmar are doing.

  • MDK66

    A couple of years ago I decided I didn’t like what you wrote because you were just ripping unmercifully another Catholic. I saw the link to this on Pewsitter. It appears you haven’t changed with the exception of now you wish certain people to go to hell. Stop writing. Just stop. It is a near occasion of sin for you. Go on a retreat. Spend a lot of time in front of the Blessed Sacrament. Take more time to pray. I don’t know what’s going on in your life, but it is resulting in your having a heart of stone rather than a heart of flesh. Step away from the computer for a good, long while. Call it a vacation, a leave of absence, or a sabbatical.

    • Gigahoo

      I see Mr Richard Long is swearing at you. For my mild challenge of Richard Long’s defense of Jenn, I was blocked from commenting further, yet Richard is still there though he has been chastised fwiw. Let me know if you get blocked.

  • Phil Steinacker

    Simcha,

    It appears you should make more frequent use of a good dictionary so you can understand the various meanings, uses, and contexts of a given word.

    The practice of changing headlines to advance a favored view or an agenda is not uncommon, but like you, I don’t care for it much.

    However, your attack on the use of the word “admit” is specious at best.

    • sillyinterloper

      From the Associated Press Stylebook:

      “Admit, Admitted: These words may in some contexts give the erroneous connotation of wrongdoing.
      A person who acknowledges that he is a recovering alcoholic, for example, is not admitting it. Said is usually sufficient.”

      That’s the whole entry, and the guide for most reporters everywhere. Pretty clear to people who understand the language.

  • http://www.davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

    I found this article via Pewsitter 😀

    Pewsitter’s a great Catholic resource. It’s where you can find links to Catholic blog/news articles that ‘establishment’ Catholic aggregates like New Advent won’t link to. In other words, Pewsitter is to New Advent what Church Militant TV is to EWTN. God bless them, not God curse them!

    • JefZeph

      As the aggregate web site aggregates, it is cursed for aggregating faithfully.

  • http://connecticutcatholiccorner.blogspot.com/ Julie @ CT Catholic Corner

    What’s wrong with ‘admit’?

    Would it have been better to say “school girl doesn’t deny she was raped”??

    Or how about “school girl tells the world she was raped”?

    Those any better for you?

    Quit making a mountain out of a mole hill.

    What’s much, much worse is YOU saying “to hell with them”. What a HORRID thing to say to ANYONE. You should know better. May God forgive you.

    • sillyinterloper

      From the Associated Press Stylebook:

      “Admit, Admitted: These words may in some contexts give the erroneous connotation of wrongdoing.
      A person who acknowledges that he is a recovering alcoholic, for example, is not admitting it. Said is usually sufficient.”

      That’s the whole entry, and the guide for most reporters everywhere. Pretty clear to people who understand the language.

      • sillyinterloper

        I keep posting this because I feel the whole, “But there are other meanings for the word ‘admit,'” to be kind of a disingenuous argument. Everyone knows damn well how it was meant, and anyone involved professionally in putting news together absolutely knows.

        • sillyinterloper

          “You’re ignoring Jesus’ admonition not to judge.”

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That’s good, coming from a Pewsitter reader. You’re a funny guy, Charles.

          • sillyinterloper

            Correction: She’s a Pewsitter Superstar.

        • Brian

          The issue that should concern Christians is the one that our sisters in Christ are being raped on an epic scale by Muslim predators. And you are nailing down the definition of “admit”.

          It’s all just an academic exercise until they’re kicking down your own door in the middle of the night.

          Really. Think about it. Put the “headline crime” into some perspective. Our sisters in Christ are being martyred!

          • sillyinterloper

            Brian, no one disagrees that what is happening to these girls is terrible, but actually, the word “admit” is a big issue. It implies that the victim is somehow, in some way, to blame for her own rape. That’s why no reputable news organization would use “admit” in this context. The questions is, why is Pewsitter then using it in this context? Why was the writer of the original story using it?

          • Brian

            I think any sane person would look at those girls tied up as prisoner under armed gaurd and dressed in full Burqua regalia and know the truth. I don’t need the definition, and the issue is petty.

          • sillyinterloper

            Brian, you seem like a good guy. Certainly you can see that using the word “admit,” at the very least, muddies the waters. I think we all agree that what is happening is just awful. Using the word “admit” simply leaves the impression that the girls are to blame. Why would you, or anyone, want to defend that? Let’s cut the crap, ditch the dumb words, and focus our prayers on those girls.

          • Monica

            You’re a good person, SillyInterloper.

          • Mara319

            No, it doesn’t. Only those with dirty minds think it connotes guilt.

          • Monica

            VICTIM-BLAMING IS NOT PETTY. VICTIM-BLAMING IS A HUGE FREAKING PROBLEM.

          • Brian

            Uh, no. Actually it is not. It may be in some cases, but you vastly overstate your case.

            At the same time I hear only lip service paid to the essential problem of our day, which is being perpetrated by some not insignificant numbers of very dangerous implacable muslim men.

            The huge freaking problem are the pogroms in effect in lands far from our shores, in which roving bands of muslim thugs are preying on, raping and killing innocent men, women and children, (especially women).

            They need a lot more than perfunctory lip service.

          • Monica

            Actually it is.

        • Monica

          I’m upvoting you every time.

    • Barbara Fryman

      Reported works.

    • Monica

      Yes, those would have been better. The word “admits” implies an acknowledgement of guilt. Well, rape survivors bear NO guilt for getting raped, but a lot of people all over the world think they do. Language matters.

      • Mara319

        “The word “admits” implies an acknowledgement of guilt.:
        No it doesn’t imply an acknowledgement of guild. You’re wrong.

        • Monica

          It doesn’t always necessarily entail guilt, and the word is sometimes used in morally neutral situations. But the conversational implicature is that the admitted thing is blameworthy–especially in this context, since blaming rape victim is such a huge problem.

  • Barbara Fryman

    What I think many of your commenters might be missing is context. Growing up Catholic I had this lovely little book of saints. In that book was the story of Maria Goretti. The way that story was written, I thought she was a martyr because she avoided being raped, not because she fought with her aggressor for the good of HIS soul, and forgave him on her deathbed.

    It is crucial that we as Catholics phrase things very carefully for the good of the laity. While many of us may be well read and understand that “admit” is a word used overseas as common translation for “said, reported, or told”, Pewsitter, who is in the habit of rewriting headlines, ought to know their audience is mostly American, and that rape specifically is an extremely sensitive topic, especially to the victims and those who love them.

    • AquinasMan

      “It is crucial that we as Catholics phrase things very carefully for the good of the laity.”

      Could you do us a favor and forward that to the Vatican?

      • Clinton

        AquinasMan, I only regret I cannot give your comment 1000 more up-votes.

      • somnipod

        Lol. Love it!

  • jackryan

    Such vitriol Simcha. They must be really getting under your skin. Not very christian of you

    • Chatsworth

      Very nasty and uncharitable characterization, Simcha Fisher. It comes from hanging out too much with Mark Shea.

      • jackryan

        apparently the Patheos morning talking points today were “let’s get Pewsitter.”

        • E. Davison

          I have the same impression of Pathetic these days.

    • Monica

      It’s not un-Christian to hate victim-blaming.

  • Tobin Nieto

    uh oh, a trigger word. this place is almost as bad as tumblr.

  • joxxer

    Wow–CRUCIFIED and sent to Hell for word mis-use!!!!! You are one tough judge, let us throw ourselves on Christ’s Divine mercy.. and get more of a break.

  • JD

    Simcha, your true colors are showing…

    • Monica

      OH NOES, a woman against misogyny! I knew it all along!

      • JD

        Against misogyny? Maybe. More so for condemning others to hell…

        • Monica

          50 derailment points.

  • NoamJomsky

    to say “to hell” with anyone is completely inappropriate. Maybe its time for you to leave.

  • cenlacatholic

    The usual neo-Catholic patheos nonsense.

    • sillyinterloper

      Please define “Neo-Catholic.”

      • somnipod

        Try the google machine… I bet you have one.

      • cenlacatholic

        Here’s a relatively short list of what a neo-Catholic holds to be true:

        The (seemingly only) gauge for being a true Catholic is being pro-life.

        The New Mass is authentically Catholic, and in complete continuity with the past.

        Ecumenism as practiced by John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis is in continuity with pre-conciliar Magisterial teachings.

        The Church is experiencing a “new springtime,” as John Paul II put it.

        The contemporary, post-conciliar Church is the “Church of the New Advent,” as John Paul II described it.

        Protestantism is simply a different expression of the Christian religion.

        Protestants who willingly reject the Church and Her teachings will be saved.

        Muslims “pray together with us” to the same God.

        The American understanding of religious liberty is compatible with Catholic teaching.

        The Pope can never teach or preach something heretical, or hold a heretical, condemned position.

        The Pope can teach something in complete contradiction with the Magisterium of the past even if it was a condemned proposition, thus it becomes the “new” orientation.

        • sillyinterloper

          Whoa Nelly! That’s a jackpot. Thanks for being clear.

  • jackryan

    her site must have been hurting for hits…

  • MC

    Wow, lots of judgmental holier-than-thou’s in the comments today. I think most people are missing the point: that to imply that a victim of rape is in any way at fault is absolutely terrible and un-Christian, and that is just what this headline is doing.

    • somnipod

      Read the headline again. ….. slowly…
      The word “admit” forest imply any fault whatsoever.
      The patheos bunch its just upset about pewsitters large readership because they would rather have everyone continue to stick their head in the sand… Catholic establishment, church of nice

      • MC

        Other commenters here have literally given a dictionary definition that says “admit” does imply fault. Instead of muddying the waters with an imagined Patheos vs. Pewsitter hostility, let’s focus on the main point of this article, which is to emphasize how bad and unloving it is to imply that a victim of rape is at fault for the rape. That’s the main issue here, and Simcha is right to focus on it.

  • Allan Daniel

    This is one of Fisher’s most irrational posts. One can only wonder what internal weirdness set her off.

    • Monica

      Maybe a life of dealing with rape culture?

      • Allan Daniel

        Monica, I don’t know what you mean.

        • Monica

          Rape culture is the set of cultural tropes, memes, attitudes, etc. that trivialize or condone rape and blame rape survivors for what happened to them. When someone gets raped and people say, “Well, she was wearing a short skirt,” that’s rape culture. When they spit any variant of “She was asking for it,” that’s rape culture. Trivializing sexual violence with quips like “Boys will be boys” is part of rape culture.

          Using language like Fisher’s talking about here, that implies blame for rape survivors, is also part of rape culture. What you read as being “irrational” is actually just the fact that we are all really sick of dealing with this garbage. The thing is that men don’t notice rape culture as much as women do, so you won’t realize how justified this anger is.

          Does that help? I’d be happy to explain more if you’d like.

          • Allan Daniel

            Monica, you have taken the event way out of context. This happened in Africa as a punishment by Muslims to Christians for the fact that they were Christians. A very specific event. You have made this your personal issue. Whether you are coming from an overly fruitful imagination or an unfortunate event in your life, I can’t know, but your present perceptions are misguided. It is unfair to the victims to cast them in a generic mold of all rape victims. They endured torture because of their faith in Jesus Christ. These are not bar girls for whom the playfulness went too far. If your concern is that of how American rape victims are perceived, your war is better aimed at creating a moral society, not blaming a segment of society that perhaps you are hostile to. It is not acceptable for women to dress immodestly. Whether immodest dress pushes unstable males over the edge or really is not the issue. It is sinful behavior. In is not an excuse for rape, but I don’t anyone who thinks it is. You might benefit by taking a more holistic approach to issues like rape. We do not live in a vacuum; we are responsible for our actions and the effects our actions have on others. Drop the feminist jargon and open up to the true problem which is the moral degradation of our culture. But again, this has little to do with the heroic young girls who were victimized in Africa.

          • Monica

            Um, no, I’m putting it in context. A culture of victim-blaming is the context. I’m not making it my “own personal issue”; rather, I’m illustrating how this is part of a larger issue that affects everyone.

            If these girls are being tortured for their Christian faith, what about their Muslim schoolmates who are being tortured the same way? “Boko Haram” means “Western education is forbidden,” and they kidnap schoolgirls because they oppose Western education and pretty much any education for women.

            “These are not bar girls for whom the playfulness went too far”–what are you implying, that it’s okay to rape “bar girls”? That “bar girls” who report rape weren’t really raped, weren’t rape-raped? This is a classic type of victim-blaming.

            “Whether immodest dress pushes unstable males over the edge or really is not the issue. It is sinful behavior. In is not an excuse for rape, but I don’t anyone who thinks it is.” I’m assuming you mean “I don’t [know] anyone who…” and, well, I do. I know a ton of people who think that way. And the characterization of rapists as “unstable” men who can be “pushed” rather than as moral agents who choose to violate other people is a good example of how in our culture, too much (any) blame is given to rape survivors and not enough to rapists. I’m not saying you’re trying to victim-blame; I’m pointing out how prevalent it is. Casual misogyny passes for normal.

            “We do not live in a vacuum; we are responsible for our actions and the effects our actions have on others.” YES. THIS. EXACTLY. This is why our words matter. This is why headlines that imply blame for rape survivors are a problem.

            “Drop the feminist jargon and open up to the true problem which is the moral degradation of our culture.” Victim-blaming is a form of moral degradation. The true problem is not immodesty, but rapists and the cultural mores that excuse or condone them. If I’m using “feminist jargon” it’s because feminists are the people who point out these problems, and we have to come up with “jargon” to talk about them. Because if we don’t create the terms necessary to have this discussion, there will be no discussion. And then none of these problems will ever go away.

    • Guest

      Maybe by this “internal weirdness” we can determine her NFP schedule by the date of the post.

      • MC

        Wow, that was WAY out of line. Completely inappropriate. If you disagree with her message then just say it and give your reasons why – there is no need to resort to personal attacks. (Same goes for just about every third person here…)

      • Guest

        From Shakesville: “Let’s put this shit to bed right now: Women don’t lose their minds when they have period-related irritability. It doesn’t lower their ability to reason; it lowers their patience and, hence, tolerance for bullshit. If an issue comes up a lot during “that time of the month,” that doesn’t mean she only cares about it once a month; it means she’s bothered by it all the time and lacks the capacity, once a month, to shove it down and bury it beneath six gulps of willful silence.”

      • Guest

        From Shakesville: “Let’s put this shit to bed right now: Women don’t lose their minds when
        they have period-related irritability. It doesn’t lower their ability to
        reason; it lowers their patience and, hence, tolerance for
        bullshit. If an issue comes up a lot during “that time of the month,”
        that doesn’t mean she only cares about it once a month; it means she’s
        bothered by it all the time and lacks the capacity, once a month, to shove it down and bury it beneath six gulps of willful silence.”

      • Monica

        Or maybe you could actually listen to something a woman is saying instead of coming up with bogus excuses to write her off.

  • E. Davison

    Is there some English remedial vocabulary program anyone can suggest to the author of the blog?

    And “to hell with them”? Really?

  • Suellen Ann Brewster

    I have found many interesting links through pewsitter in the past, but lately their attitude toward our Papa has become quite troubling and even heretical. I didn’t see this headline because I rarely check their site anymore, but I could see that they are referring to the fact that this is something to be hidden in the culture in question. Poor choice regardless. Let’s remember to keep praying for these girls, and for the apparently hardening hearts at pewsitter.

    • somnipod

      So… disagreeing with the synthesis of all heresies is now in itself heretical,??

      • Suellen Ann Brewster

        No, and please excuse my lack of catechesis, but I think standing in repeated public opposition to the pope is heretical. That is the position pewsitter seems to have chosen of late.

  • Mike Gannome

    Pewsitter’s editors have s*** for brains. There are frequent spelling errors and grammatical errors in their headlines and they often have misleading headlines in order to fit their agenda.

  • anna lisa

    I’d never heard of pewsitter, so I went and checked them out. It aroused my curiosity to see some of the extreme rancor in this com box. I found a quote from a popular priest, which shed a little light on matters:
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    “I must admit there is an increasingly noxious atmosphere at Pewsitter. They seem negative in a tabloid sort of way which has the whiff of sulfur about it.”

    .
    Say no more. And I’m biting my tongue about which group in the Church they must come from…

    • somnipod

      And Patheos is just so charitable and Catholic, right?
      Any website that continues to carry Mark Shea (and his frothy lack of charity) has lost relevance in my book

      • anna lisa

        –to what end “somnipod”?

  • sillyinterloper

    Nuts, Pewsitter is back to agitating about the Pope and illegal immigrants. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

  • http://manwithblackhat.blogspot.com David L Alexander

    Pewsitter posts my articles once in a while, but never my picture. What makes Simcha [insert dripping sarcasm here] so special? Is this what you gotta do to get some attention around here? HUH???

  • John Flaherty

    Simcha, you’re welcome to have a dispute with PewSitter if you like, but I’ve rarely read an article on their site that didn’t reflect the title. In this case, gee, the original site used the term, so I fail to see why you have a problem.

  • Beefy Levinson

    Is there something in the holy water that makes Patheos writers like Fisher and Mark Shea so prone to fits of hysterical, irrational rage?

    • MC

      Do you think that rage about a young girl implicitly getting blamed for her own rape is irrational?

      • Beefy Levinson

        As others have demonstrated, the use of the word “admit” doesn’t necessarily imply blaming the victim. If Fisher dislikes the folks at Pewsitter, that’s her business. Focusing on one word that comes from the original source and not Pewsitter in order to impute evil intentions to the middle man is irrational and not a little hysterical, yes. Do you honestly believe Pewsitter linked to that article and left the headline untouched out of malice or misogyny? Do you really think their thoughts were “She had it coming and it’s all her fault?” If so, that says more about you than it does them.

        • Monica

          Maybe it was deliberate misogyny. More likely it was careless misogyny. An awful lot of misogyny passes for normal is this country.

  • Alexander Duncan MacDonald

    The hell with them? Not very charitable….

  • David Wendell

    Wow ! You really want Pewsitter to go to eternal hell because of a poorly written headline ? You may want to modify your statement.

  • http://www.subcreators.com/blog Lori Pieper

    I found the whole original article kind of bizarre. It was clearly written by someone local (from a site called SpyGhana), who deplores everything Boko Haram has done, but then we get this:

    “This simply means that within 90 days of abduction, these Christian
    girls have been raped 15 x 90 days giving 1350 rape [sic] per kidnapped girl
    from 1350 sex starved Jihadists.”

    “Sex-starved”? Well, the author has clearly not learned that men don’t rape women for sex, but for power. They are doing it here to crush any resistance. This statement is potentially more offensive than the other, to my mind, but the writer’s heart is in the right place. The sites these reports are coming from are not very good at English in general, which may help explain things.

    Pewsitter most likely let this whole article through without much thought or checking of the language. But if I were to criticize Pewsitter, I could find a lot better reasons to do so, so maybe we should stick to their genuine offenses.

  • Richard W Comerford

    Ms. Fisher
    Re: Uncivil Civil War

    You strike me as a smart lady. Indeed a brilliant one. Which puzzles me. Why would a gal like yourself engage in what amounts to a civil war in Catholic blogdom? Would it not be better just to ignore other Catholic websites that irk you? Even if you are right and your Catholic opponents are wrong? If you wish to disengage from this most uncivil of civil wars and go do great and good things instead (as you already have and I am sure you are very capable of doing more) I would be delighted to pray for your intentions every day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

    • Monica

      Opposing victim-blaming is a great and good thing. Patronizing grown women, on the other hand, is patronizing and makes you look like a jerk.

      • Richard W Comerford

        Monica:

        Thank you for you reply. I am quite serious. I am prepared to pray for her intentions every day for the rest of my life it that will help stop this terrible civil war. If that makes me a jerk then so be it.

        God bless

        Richard W Comerford

        • Richard W Comerford

          Monica:

          BTW you do it think the lady is brilliant? She is raising a parcel of kids and doing this stuff too. That is extraordinary.

          God Bless

          Richard W Comerford

          • Monica

            Yeah, exactly, she’s a grown-ass woman with a family and a career, so maybe don’t be so condescending in your offer of prayers.

          • Richard W Comerford

            Monica:

            Thank you for your reply. I assure you that I am not being “so condescending”. An offer of prayer, a sincere offer, is an act of humility wherein we admit our own helplessness; but place our faith in the power of God. I have started this morning tp pray for the good lady. Perhaps you could join me?

            God bless

            Richard W Comerford

          • Monica

            Arrgh. Okay, you’re not condescending. Have a cookie.

            FYI, from a friend: you sound very condescending and patronizing. You might want to change that, since it clouds your lovely beautiful holy message of love.

          • Richard W Comerford

            Monica:
            Re: Major General Joseph Lutz

            Thank you for your reply. In 1979 MG Joe Lutz (RIP), a heroic solider and sincere Catholic, led approxiamtely 60 soldiers from the 7th Special Forces Group in a drop into West Africa (Republic of Liberia) in part to disrupt this activity (Operation Palm). MG Lutz thought this mission so important that he postponed quadruple bypass surgery in order to lead the drop. I served as jumpmaster on the last aircraft. I and my comrades had no second thoughts about laying our lives on the line and following MG Lutz out of those C-141’s. Several of us contracted diseases and injuries in West Africa that plague us to this day. I now have a problem breathing; but I have no regrets.

            I desire neither your cookie nor your approval. I do desire and beg for your prayers. Since coming face to face with this evil as a young solider I have developed a devotion to Our Lady of Ransom. I recommend Her to you all.

            God bless

            Richard W Comerford

          • Monica

            I have no idea how this is relevant, but, um thank you for your service, and sure, I’ll pray for you.

            This is the weirdest derailment tactic I’ve ever seen.

          • Richard W Comerford

            Monica:

            Thank you for your reply. It is quite relevant. Slavery is very real. It is also a corner stone of Muslin agression and has been so since @ 620 AD. The article in question reminds us of this evil. But instead of producing Christian action it has instead set off another round of bickering, feuding and cyber bloodshed by and among elite Catholic communicators. If all of the energy that has gone into this useless augumentation had instead been directed in prayer to Our Lady of Ransom then how many innocents would have been freed from their slavery? Again I beg for your prayers to Our Lady on this matter.

            Thank you

            Richard W Comerford

          • Monica

            Yeah, okay, cool.

          • Richard W Comerford

            Monica:

            Thank you for your reply. “Cool” indeed. Ms. Fisher, our hostess, now has an opportunity to call for a cease fire in the Catholic cyber war and instead urge us to unite and direct our efforts to literally free the slaves via Our Lady of Ransom. Free Christian slaves not only in Nigeria and West Africa but South Sudan and throughout the Muslim world. I am a nobody. I cannot do it. She is a somebody and can, with other Catholic communicators, make a difference.

            God bless

            Richard W Comerford

    • MC

      It’s not a bad thing to try to correct wrong ideas, even if other Catholics have those wrong ideas. It’s not a civil war, it’s a striving for truth.

      • Richard W Comerford

        MC:

        Thank you for your reply. You are of course correct. However, as our Holy Father Francis frequently reminds us we first have an obligation to enter into dialogue with our opponent. I respectfully suggest that the statement in question: “The hell with them” is not the normal entry into fruitful dialogue. It is said that there was once a time that an observer could tell that people were Christians “by the way they loved one another”. If an outside observer, perhaps a potential convert, were to review just this thread would he even suspect that we are Christians?.

        God bless

        Richard W Comerford

  • $1028912

    Okay, I checked out Pewsitter.

    You know what I find blatantly offensive? They refer to Anglican female “archbishops” in quotation marks in their headline, even when the original articles don’t!

    I would understand if they were referring to heretically annointed female Catholic clergy – certainly, use of quotation marks would be valid in that case.

    But a DIFFERENT RELIGION, following its own rules and revelation, has made a change — and to fail to respect that change is shameful.

    And I’m less inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt that their use of the word “admit” was totally innocuous.

  • Monica

    Simcha: Here is an example of misogyny.
    Man 1: It’s not that big a deal.
    Man 2: You’re being irrational.
    Man 3: You should be nicer.

    Lather, rinse, repeat.

    • Brian

      Monica,
      The girls are martyrs for their faith.
      Applying “misogyny” to their tragedy is cheap and unworthy of their bravery.
      You are so worried about the motivations of pewsitter and his “headline” the girls’ great sacrifice is lost in a mountain of verbiage and faux outrage.
      Think of it. We are discussing a headline and whether the man is a misogynyst when Islamist thugs are killing, raping and eradicating innocents.

      • Monica

        What about the Muslim girls who are getting raped by Boko Haram?

    • Sheila C.

      Man 4: Isn’t it “that time of the month”?
      Man 5: Sexism does not exist.

      Yes, there are bigger deals than rape culture, like actual rape. No, pointing out rape culture doesn’t detract from also caring about rape. Since rape culture contributes to real rape, the statement “but people are for reals getting raped!” kind of proves the point of why we’re talking about this stuff.

      • Monica

        *snaps*

      • Brian

        Well, if you are serious about “pointing out rape culture”, then I suggest you begin the monumental task of un-packing the quite substantial sub-set of the Islamic culture in which rape is not only tolerated but encouraged against certain (infidel /Christian) women.

        “Misogyny” doesn’t even begin to describe what’s going it. Misogyny is a word used against thought crimes of harmless bloggers and within the protected ivy halls of tony colleges.

        Out there in the real world, away from our safe, protected, blessed land rape is a more immediate threat where girls are killed for being raped. Their own family kills them for harm to their “honour”.

        Only an over-educated intellectual could look at Pewsitters headline and see, not the prisoners in Burqas roped into a rape harem, but instead be outraged at the thoughht crime of an inappropriate, so-called misogynystic world view and use that to score a few points against a blogger.

        • Monica

          50 derailment points!

  • Guest

    I can’t stand a whole lot about PewSitter. But I’ve never heard them wish hell upon anyone. Your utter disregard of the precepts of Catholicism never ceases to amaze me, Simcha.

    • sillyinterloper

      Dan, you wrote “Your utter disregard of the precepts of Catholicism never ceases to amaze me, Simcha.” This implies that Simcha has previously shown utter disregard for the precepts of Catholicism, and is a pretty serious charge if you think about it. Surely, you have some proof to back this up.

      • http://www.DSDOConnor.com/ Daniel O’Connor

        I’ll leave that to her conscience, which is well informed on the matter.

        • sillyinterloper

          I was going to point out that without any factual backup you were creating the false impression that Simcha has shown, in your words, “utter disregard of the precepts of Catholicism” and when challenged, you kinda weaseled out. But I’ll leave that to your conscience.

          • http://www.DSDOConnor.com/ Daniel O’Connor

            And mine is clear :-). Goodnight and God Bless

    • MDK66

      Tell me why you don’t like Pewsitter. It’s simply a Catholic Drudge Report, a collection of headlines. I don’t understand people not liking a collection of headlines.

    • Ezbs

      ” to hell with them” is just an expression. I’m sure Simcha doesn’t wish anyone to hell. And even if she did, I’m confident her prayers wouldn’t be answered. She’s doesn’t wield enough power 😉

      • http://www.DSDOConnor.com/ Daniel O’Connor

        I hope they don’t wield much power. In all honesty, the Pewsitter people need prayers: not just another voice wishing them hellward, a direction they are already getting dangerously close to as they verge on schism with their attitude toward the Vicar of Christ.

  • AugustineThomas

    Heretics always hate the orthodox (and they can’t stand it when a bloody shovel is called a bloody shovel).

  • Francis Francis

    Now Simcha is feeling sorry for herself on Facebook.

  • Ezbs

    Read the word “admit” from the point of view of a girl, where rape is a shameful act, which many blame the girl for. Whether Muslim or Christian, girls raped in that country don’t “admit” to the rape because they could be killed under sharia law, or as a Mercy Killing. Mercy killing happen in Christian families in the Middle East and Africa.

    So Simcha, I understand your point, but in this case, “admit” may not have been a poor choice of words.

    • MC. D.

      So we should perpetuate the language and thinking that leads to these killings? Choosing that language sounds like choosing sides with the people who blame girls for being raped. Imagine a young girl who has been raped reading that headline. What does it say to her? It sure doesn’t say “this wasn’t your fault and you have nothing to be ashamed of.”

      How about instead of “that’s how people see it, so we should keep saying it that way” we try “this is wrong and we should be more careful in how we speak of these atrocities”?

      • Ezbs

        You keep missing the point because you look at it from western eyes. The whole world doesn’t have a western point of view MD.

        It’s not condoning rape by writing that an African girl admitted to being raped. From HER point of view, it’s brave because HER culture sees it as the girl being tarnished. They blame the girl. It has ramifications for her getting married.

        No indignation on your behalf is going to change that mindset. Sorry to break it to you, but you are not perpetuating anything because it’s not your culture. Our culture on the other hand views rape much differently. Girls report rape as an offence in our culture.

        All you are doing is getting on your patronising high horse like Michelle Obama with the “bring our girls back” sign. “Our girls”? Really, like the ones her husband throws mountains of funds in to INSIST they have access to abortion.
        The rape was HER atrocity. It’s insulting to throw some western mindset on her and insist she deal with HER atrocity your way. You don’t know her culture.
        What if she had kept her mouth shut and not told of the horror inflicted on her and others? A greater horror. Be glad she spoke of her horror and hope and pray she isn’t seen as damaged goods because of it.

        • Ezbs

          That should have read MC.D

        • Monica

          Victim-blaming is a problem here, and it’s a problem in Africa. People here using victim-blaming language about any rape is a problem partly because it perpetuates victim-blaming in our culture. “Girls report rape as an offence in our culture” and then they get blamed for it.

          The issue with “admits” isn’t that it implies that the girl was brave (and anyway I don’t think it does). The issue is that it implies she did something wrong. She is brave, and she did nothing wrong.

          • Ezbs

            I agree with you, she is brave and she did NOTHING wrong. But her culture doesn’t see it like that because, as you state, it is a problem in the mindset. But my point is that it’s their mindset, and no whining on a western blog will change that. It’s ingrained. Her culture needs to be understood for anyone to start telling her how she should think. Because after the advice is given and the media hoopla dies, she will still be left to deal with it as a growing woman, with the hope to follow Gods path for her, possibly through marriage. It makes no ounce of difference to her as a person, how things are “worded” or “made right” in the headlines. It just makes us westerners feel like we “care” when in fact we wouldn’t have a clue.

          • Monica

            But what we do and don’t say, and how we say it, will change how we think about rape. How we think about it is not going to change things directly for her right now, but it will change how we treat people anywhere who are in her position, and it will change the kind of advocacy and human-rights work we do for her and other girls like her.

          • Ezbs

            I hope so Monica.

  • J D

    Your ecclesiology is as stunning as your charity! Killing-the-Messenger when you have no answer to the message is both archaic and demonic! PEWSITTER should be the FIRST place you get your news from each morning! Certainly NOT the Neo-catholic professional establishment, who depends on the access and approval of heterodox bishops, and feminazi chanceries, to make a living! Give back your 30 pieces of silver before typing your next diabolical hissing. It’s also curious that several conciliar propagandists all seem to have the same talking points today…hmmm. Wonder why that would be? The remnant is coming for your spiritist pentecostalism and your universal salvationism as well, and pray we are successful. For if we are not, read THE QUEEN OF ALL PROPHETS at Ecuador, Lasallette, Fatima. and Akita to see how OUR LORD plans to take back OUR FATHER’s House, if we fail. There are hundreds of clear prophecies by canonized, beatified, and venerable souls that flesh out OUR LADY’s WARNINGS, TEARS, and PLEADINGS! You, and your NEW ORDER inventions, bear ALL the blame for every wicked thing that’s happened in The Church the past 50 years. The typical soul, sitting in the pew, has no idea of this internecine struggle, on which everything lies, but you do, and who you serve, is quite evident in your charity and sophistry. BUT, the soul who is a PEWSITTER knows very well how to distinguish the narratives. The straw-man you set up is laughable. It sounds exactly like the Obama-maniac’s satanist, faux “war-on-women.” PEWSITTER has been following the rape of women by mohammedans for years, while your ilk bask in the kissing of korans and adoring the allah, who is the enemy of THE MOST HOLY TRINITY and incessantly strikes at the heel of OUR HOLY QUEEN! SALVE REGINA, OUR LADY OF MOUNT CARMEL, ORA PRO NOBIS! VIVO CHRISTO REY!!!

    • Monica

      ROTFLOL

  • Francis Francis

    Now she removed her whining about Pewsitter off her Facebook feed. Maybe it’s because none of her usual defenders came running. One risk of being a blogger is people sometimes disagreeing with you. If you cannot tolerate the criticism you engender, maybe you should quit blogging.

    • MC

      Criticism for an idea is totally legitimate. Vitriolic personal attacks, like the ones in this comment section, are just the opposite.

      • Francis Francis

        Her posting a lament about Pewsitter ruining her day on Facebook, and then deleting it, irks me. I think she very often tries to stir things up, but when they get ugly, she deletes things or plays victim. And she loves to have people run to defend her. Fisher herself is not sparing in her criticism those she disagrees with, so I think it is ridiculous for her to play the wounded, maligned blogger. If she was a gentler person, I could understand why she might get upset, but she’s tough and often unkind. You reap what you sow. If she wants a different response, be a different sort of writer. She’s obviously decided to be the sort of personality who engenders a lot of raw feeling. Great, I’m actually fine with that, and I often agree with what she says. But if that is going to be her schtick then she needs to deal with the result. Instead of posting a nuanced column that really examined the use of the word “admit” in this case, and writing a piece that might be helpful and enlightening, she went off half cocked. Then, when criticized, she began fussing and acting wounded. Give me a break.

        • sillyinterloper

          Boy, you’re not at all creepy. Maybe you can up the ante and report on things you find in her garbage, or maybe stalk her children when they go to school.

        • simchafisher

          You misunderstood my comment comment, Francis Francis. I actually had a pretty great day, click-wise, thanks to Pewsitter, and that’s what I said in my FB status.

          That’s not why I wrote the post, though – for clicks. I wrote it because I was mad, and I thought, “No one could accuse me of writing this just to get clicks, because Pewsitter would never be dumb enough to link to me.” You live and learn!

          I deleted my comment because I thought it was weird and creepy that someone was going to be reporting on my Facebook statuses in real time. But in general, I almost never delete anything, from Facebook or from my blog. When I think I said or did something wrong, I post clarifications, apologies, or corrections. I’d like to see some evidence that I “delete things or play victim.”