Alternate Interview Headline; Pope Declares Himself Humble…

… What was all that cryptic tweeting about last night? Why another Pope Francis interview of course. This time with La Repubblica’s founder, Eugenio Scalfari. The full text can be found here.

Below you’ll find some excerpts from the interview. Mr. Scalfari’s questions and comments are in bold, followed by the Pope’s responses. My thoughts are interjected after each block quote. However if you were to ask me to sum up the interview with a single quote it would be this — Pope Francis states, “I have the humility and ambition to want to do something.”

Maybe the headline should read; Pope Declares Himself Humble

Your Holiness, is there is a single vision of the Good? And who decides what it is?

“Each of us has a vision of good and of evil. We have to encourage people to move towards what they think is Good.”

That sounds an awful lot like relativism. But I’m sure something was just lost in translation. You know English isn’t his first language. Or maybe he was just being intentionally vague or something because he was talking with an atheist. Just insert whatever excuse and move on.

It’s a joke I tell him. My friends think it is you want to convert me.

He smiles again and replies: “Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense. We need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us.

Ha. Ha. Lulz. You mean this bit of nonsense. — “Go therefore and teach all nations…

When asked what saints are dear to him, the Pope responds with St. Francis and St. Paul. Which prompts Scalfari to ask: Not Ignatius, from whose order you come?

“Ignatius, for understandable reasons, is the saint I know better than any other. He founded our Order. I’d like to remind you that Carlo Maria Martini also came from that order, someone who is very dear to me and also to you.”

Ah, Carlo Martini, who famously supported the ordination of female deacons and same-sex unions – among many other things contradictory to Church teaching.

You heard your calling at a young age?

“No, not very young. My family wanted me to have a different profession, to work, earn some money. I went to university. I also had a teacher for whom I had a lot of respect and developed friendship and who was a fervent communist. She often read Communist Party texts to me and gave them to me to read. So I also got to know that very materialistic conception. I remember that she also gave me the statement from the American Communists in defense of the Rosenbergs, who had been sentenced to death. The woman I’m talking about was later arrested, tortured and killed by the dictatorship then ruling in Argentina.”

Obama, Frank Marshall Davis, and Jeremiah Wright. Oh my.

Pope Francis told me: “The most serious of the evils that afflict the world these days are youth unemployment and the loneliness of the old.

But that, that right there leaves me speechless. Unemployed young people and lonely elderly are the worst most serious evil that afflict the world?!

“For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him might not be lonely and have a job.” [Narcissus 3:16]


Josse Lieferinxe, Crucifixion c. 1500-05

UPDATED: For those who think this is merely a translation issue, please see here.

About Katrina Fernandez

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  • brnicolosi

    Rock on, Katrina. Something is definitely rotten in Denmark.

  • ATDP

    What is a Catholic to do? If you take refuge in the fact that it’s just another interview, you’re a minimalist. If you hang on his every word as if it’s doctrine, you’re a Papal idolater. If you ignore it… well, can it really be ignored? If you wonder how this even remotely squares with Benedict, you’re imposing a hermeneutic of rupture. If you say there’s no divide at all between B16 and F1, you seem either ignorant or in denial. If you try to keep up with the flurry, you are tempted to alcoholism.

    • tj.nelson

      If you try to keep up with the flurry, you are tempted to alcoholism.
      Not me – I drink for the elderly and children and the Russian Olympics – the pope has nothing to do with it.
      What.

  • AquinasMan

    “There is no Catholic God” seems to be a theological/ecclesial atom bomb.

    • Marni

      I thought the idea was that our God is the God of everyone, not just Catholics. Are you saying that there are Lutheran Gods and Baptist Gods and so forth?

      • Strife

        There is only One Church founded by God: The Roman Catholic Church.

      • AquinasMan

        If the Church is truly the body of Christ (and Christ is its head)… do the math.

      • AugustineThomas

        One God, one baptism, one church.

        If the pope wants to become Evangelical, he can make those kind of statements all he wants and no one will say a word.

        • Marni

          I still think he meant that the Catholic God is the One God, so when he said there is no Catholic God, he just meant that God is the God of everyone, not just Catholics. Everyone has a chance at salvation, not just Catholics.

    • Rebecca Duncan

      yes, that disturbed me.

  • Michael O’Keefe

    We really must appeal to his superior..

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      Now that is a cute, funny, and true.

  • http://www.parafool.com/ victor

    Part King Ralph, part Chance the Gardener, ALL Pope. Seriously, though, I’m certain 99.9999% of this confusion is all what was lost in the translation and in what excerpts the interviewer chose to release (and what they didn’t include). He’s still my Pope, in other words. Gotta love him!

  • http://paul-leone.com/ Paul Leone

    Is it wrong that I sometimes want to crawl into my fantasy world where the Pope is named Leo XIV and he says things like “The Church wasn’t born in 1965,” “We’re not the Church of the Zeitgeist,” and “I guess you could say… dust to dust.” ? (That last one is when he puts on his sunglasses after killing a vampire. YEEEEEEEAHH. … Sorry. It’s going to be a long papacy, isn’t it? And I understand the ‘lost in translation’ thing, but still – still… I’m trying not to be sour on His Holiness, but he’s falling into “I love him but I don’t like him” territory, and that’s really not a place I want to be.)

  • Sheri McBride

    Pass your bottle. NOW!!!!!!!!!!

  • vox borealis

    In the words of Khan Nonien Singh, (spoken in luscious Ricardo Montelban voice): “I am growing…fatigued.”

    This pope is really wearing me out. Increasingly I am opting for the ignore function. He too shall pass, and regardless of what he says—or tries to say but somehow garbles up in translation or whatever—the Truth of the Catholic Church will not change.

  • pedroerik

    Narcussus 3:16?

    The best line ever on this Pope. Congratulations, Katrina.

    It was terrible and frustrating interview.

    Marana tha!

  • Eliana Marsella

    Please remember that the interview is in Italian. Being a native Italian, but also completely fluent in English, I can tell you that so much of the true meaning is lost in the translation into English. This is exactly what the secular media wants: Catholics up in arms at the latest ‘words from the Pope’. Let’s not fall in their trap.
    Repubblica is a leftist paper, not even worthy of all this attention. Father Z. has a good post on this. He also reads Italian fluently.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      Nuns Blog posted more on this and I will address it when I have a free moment. You do make a fair point.

    • steve5656546346

      So Eliana, why does he give interview after interview? Often to hostile publications?

      At what point will he learn from experience–if what is happening is not his intent?

      • Faith

        Why did Christ preach to the Pharisees?

        • http://rosarynovice.stblogs.com/ Augustine

          Because every now and then a Joseph of Arimathea or Nicodemus would be among them.

    • http://rosarynovice.stblogs.com/ Augustine

      I read Italian fluently and can tell that this translation, though much better than the one by America of the other interview, is pretty close to the words of the Pope in Italian.

  • http://rosarynovice.stblogs.com/ Augustine

    Proselytism is recruiting; Christianity does not proselytize, it evangelizes. Believing in Our Lord, repenting of one’s sins and being baptized is not recruiting, but converting.

    And since you used of hyperbole in your interjections, couldn’t the Pope be using hyperbole too? After all, Jesus is know to have used hyperbole as well.

    But, no, nothing in these quotes was lost in the translation; this translation by La Repubblica is much better than that by America of his other interview; it’s not perfect, but it’s not editorializing either.

    • steve5656546346

      Evangelization, as it has always been understood by the Church, is now called “proselytizing.”

      What is now called “evangelization” is so vague that one hardly knows what it means. Endless dialogue I guess, whereby the Catholic lavishes endless praise on the other’s views, and then is surprised when he doesn’t convert.

      • Eliana Marsella

        I used to derive some satisfaction from telling other Catholics how lucky we were to all think alike, and even to look down on other people not as ‘enlightened’ as I was. Life teaches you lessons sometimes, and then you learn to give people a chance. I may not agree with his methods all the time, but Francis is giving people a chance. I respect everyone else’s opinion in this forum.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      “And since you used of hyperbole in your interjections, couldn’t the Pope be using hyperbole too? After all, Jesus is know to have used hyperbole as well.”

      Let me think on that. It’s certainly something to deeply consider.

  • steve5656546346

    “The most serious of the evils that afflict the world these days are youth unemployment and the loneliness of the old.”

    This is from his interview reported today: it may be my most favorite yet!

    I’m glad to see columns that are honest. Catholicism is not political ideology, and the God of truth does not need our spin and evasions. This Pope is making prudential error after prudential error. And either this is what he wants to say, or he doesn’t care.

  • Barbara Fryman

    First of all, I really doubt he believes lonely old people are the greatest evil. Surely your used to the Latino proclivity for hyperbole. I mean, tone doesn’t always translate for heavens sake.
    Lately when it comes to the pope you remind me of Chicken Little. Give it a minute before you freak out.

    • Guest

      Yeah. And what about his “Latino hyperbole” admiration for the left-wing anti-church doctrine friend Carlo Martini? And his admiration for communism?

      I suppose moral relativism and atheism are the new “Latino hyperbole”

      God help us. This “pope” is a clown.

      • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

        Francis is still the Holy Father.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thecrescat Katrina Fernandez

      I gave it two minutes this time.

  • Marni

    You don’t think unemployed young people is a problem? In Europe they have some areas with 50% unemployment of young people? How can they get married, have families, live without jobs? How can they eat? What will happen as they get older?

    Don’t you feel that the elderly, often away from their families in homes or just living alone are lonely? Do think it should be that way?

    • Strife

      Yeah, those are “The most serious of the evils that afflict the world these days”. Right. Those are far far worse than say…. the world wide wholesale slaughter of the unborn who just happen to be the MOST innocent and MOST defenseless of all of society. Oh but that’s right, this pope doesn’t want us “obsessing” over those trivialities.

      *sigh*

      • Marni

        Maybe he thinks it begins with bad conditions for young women and no older generation in the home. I don’t know. Thanks for responding.

        • Strife

          Well that makes the act less evil then – right?

          Here’s what true humility and holiness sounds like:

          “It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.” ― Mother Teresa

          • Marni

            I didn’t say anything about less evil and neither did the Pope.

          • Strife

            And that’s the point.

  • http://connecticutcatholiccorner.blogspot.com/ CT Catholic Corner

    God save us from Pope Francis!

  • Strife

    About a month after this guy was elected pope I told my Catholic friends “I have never seen a man who is more proud of his humility.”

    When you have to make a public display of slobbering over 12 infants and hugging 7 handicapped people on your way to the can – yeah, you may be showboating your “humility” just a tad.

    • downstatesteve

      Yeah, you’re right. Jesus was so very arrogant when he took a similar attitude: “Let the little children come unto me.” Obviously he was just chock full of ego. Much better to look past those who seek your attention and pretend like they don’t exist–therein lies REAL holiness, right?
      On a more serious note: Consider WHO Pope Francis was giving attention to. Was he fawning over royalty, prime ministers, and presidents? Or those who would ordinarily get overlooked and never have a chance to have a personal exchange with a pope? So was he wrong (really?) to stop and give attention to those folks? For that matter, does he have control over how many pictures the media take of those events, or how those photos are spread across the Internet?

      • Strife

        Newsflash pal: This pope ain’t Jesus. To wit: Pope Francis states, “I have the humility and ambition to want to do something.” See that? He’s actually boasting of his humility. Now put that little jewel of insight into the man’s thought-process into context with his showboating of “charity” in front of the crowds and cameras.

        So were all those other popes who didn’t hug squeeze and slobber all over babies and handicapped people, cold, uncaring, arrogant, unChrist-like jerks?

  • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

    It must really SUCK to be a right wing Catholic right now.

    • Strife

      Catholicism (by it’s very theological nature) IS right-wing compared to the world’s modern “wisdom”.

      • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

        Wait but didn’t the Pope say in his interview that quote: “I have never been a right winger.” Who should I believe? You or the Pope?

        • Strife

          How about believing the Church?

          Now define “right-winger”

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Yes please point to a catechism or other Church document that contradicts the pope. I sense a right winger very unhappy that the Catholic Church will no longer carry water for the Republican Party.

          • Strife

            Ahem:

            2425 The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with “communism” or “socialism.” She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of “capitalism,” individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor.207 Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for “there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market.”208 Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Excellent teaching of the Church. One that Ayn Rand and her modern Republican acolytes would totally reject.

          • Strife

            What do I care about the atheist Ayn Rand? And modern Republicans are big regulators.

            But now, about that evil Democrat Party of yours and their intrinsic evils…..

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            LOL…like you wouldn’t vote for Rand Paul or Canadian Cruz or any of the other Ayn Rand acolytes. Who do you think you’re kidding?

          • Strife

            Like you didn’t vote for Obama – the Saul Alynski acolyte.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            I proudly voted for the best President of my lifetime. By the way, Happy Obamacare day!

          • Strife

            So you proudly support the intrinsic evils of abortion, homosexuality, and gay “marriage”. And that’s why you’re supporting this pope.

            Job well done Francis.

          • Strife

            You surely don’t carry water for the Democrat Party (the Party of Intrinsic Evils) do you?

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Absolutely. My grandfather always told me that in the Irish Bronx if you said one bad word about FDR, you’d be knocked on your ass.

          • Strife

            So, like your grandfather, you succumb to evil idiocy.

            I see.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Was that why FDR was elected in 4 straight landslide elections? Elections have consequences.

          • Strife

            Yeah, and FDR introduced this country to the Welfare nanny state. People in his era didn’t live long enough to see the destruction it has wrought. Popularity is not always a sign of sanity.

            “Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions.” – G.K.Chesterton

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            So why do the tea partiers love his Social Security?

          • Strife

            Oh, I dunno. Maybe because people like to actually GET BACK the money the government took from them.

            Crazy ain’t it.

            BTW, Social Security is insolvent.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Of course, and they like knowing that they won’t have to rely on the thieving banksters to ensure they aren’t impoverished in retirement.

            Weird, huh?

          • Strife

            Uhm slick?

            Social Security is insolvent. It’s unsustainable.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            I’ve literally been hearing that for 30 years and yet the checks still keep going out.

          • Strife

            Well then, if the checks have always been there – then they always will. Brilliant.

            Hey, speaking of thieving bankers. Guess who loves himself some big-time thieving bankers baby:

            Financial news: Obama’s Wall Street backers

            Blair Effron, partner and co-founder of advisory boutique Centerview Partners, who has raised $1m. Last year he attended a meeting at the White House prior to the launch of the President’s campaign. According to the New York Times, he said: “The first goal was to get recognition that the administration has led the economy from an unimaginably difficult place to where we are today.”

            • At rival Evercore Partners, chairman Roger Altman is a well-known Obama supporter and was tipped to be among the candidates for Treasury Secretary before the last election. He has raised $567,085.

            • Robert Wolf, another of Obama’s prominent Wall Street supporters, was the former chairman of UBS in the Americas until he left in July to start his own firm. Wolf has raised $560,955.

            • Jon Corzine, the disgraced former chief executive of collapsed futures broker MF Global, raised $897,232. Corzine used to head Goldman Sachs and went into politics after leaving the bank, being elected as a senator and as governor of New Jersey.

            • Marc Lasry, founder of hedge fund Avenue Capital, has raised $849,906 and hosted a $40,000 per head fundraising dinner in June. Other hedge fund managers among Obama’s bundlers are Eric Mindich at Eton Park Capital with $530,900 and Jim Chanos from Kynikos Capital, who has raised $687,900.

            • Mark Gallogly, co-founder and managing principal of hedge fund Centerbridge Partners, is on President Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board, and has raised $1,146,038.

            • In private equity, Tony James, president and chief operating officer of Blackstone has raised $344,250 for Obama, while his boss Stephen Schwarzman is a well-known Republican supporter.

            • Obama’s opponent Mitt Romney founded private equity firm Bain Capital but that has not stopped one of its executives, Jonathan Lavin, raising $1,106,000 for the President.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            I agree. So I’m sure you’re against the Citizens United decision that requires candidates to raise literally billions of dollars to run for President?

          • Strife

            You agree? What?

            You just said about Obama: “I proudly voted for the best President of my lifetime. By the way, Happy Obamacare day!”

            And now you give him a pass for his evil thieving baker friendships? Oh and, Obama also flipped on his own public financing promise. Hypocrite much?

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Yes, we live in a capitalist dominated world and you have to play the game on the field that is provided.

            He is still the best president of my lifetime by far.

          • Strife

            Oh I see. So he’s a lying theiving evil SOB just like his banker buddies – but he’s okay in your book – and they’re just bad.

            Got it.

            *facepalm*

            You’re living proof that Liberalism is a mental disorder.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            If liberalism is a mental disorder, conservatism is full on lunacy.

            You’ll vote for a much bigger buddy of the bankers. After all, who received more money from Wall St. banksters in 2012? Wasn’t it your buddy Mitt Romney who still got his ass kicked by the President.

          • Strife

            Uhm hey slick? If you’re a mentally challenged liberal then you wouldn’t recognize sanity.

            In fact your next little paragraph proves it.

            LOL

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Oh this is fun….i can do it too.

            If you’re a mentally challenge(sic) conservative then(sic) you wouldn’t recognize sanity.

            LOL

          • Strife

            So you’re a magpie as well as a delusional hypocrite.

            Got it.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Like i said this is fun and I can do it too.

            So you’re a magpie as well as a delusional hypocrite.

            Got it.

          • Strife

            So after I nailed you on your overt ideological hypocrisy (as I displayed up thread) – all you’re left with is school yard taunts.

            Is that it?

            Nice.BTW – you’re echoing me- so your example fails.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            LOL…You said that I was a magpie and a delusional hypocrite. No, that’s not at all a school yard taunt.

          • Strife

            Hey uhm , slick?

            My statements had relevant evidence on which they were based: you’re own statements.

            You really are delusional.

            And this is the best you can do. *eyeroll*

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            You wouldn’t know relevant evidence if it bit you on your tea party ass. And this is the best you can do?

          • Strife

            Oh nice, slick. Your relevant evidence just bit my “Tea Party ass” there, champ.

            Well played.

  • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

    Also this Pope is really smart. What’s the abortion rate in countries with 50 percent youth unemployment? I bet it’s a lot higher than it is in socialist Scandinavia.

    • Strife

      The Top 5 Countries with the Highest Total Number of Abortions

      Country Number of Abortions Abortion Rate

      1 China 7,930,000 26.1 per 1,000 women

      2 Russian Federation 2,287,300 68.4 per 1,000 women

      3 Vietnam 1,520,000 83.3 per 1,000 women

      4 United States 1,365,700 22.9 per 1,000 women

      5 Ukraine 635,600 57.2 per 1,000 women

      Sources: Alan Guttmacher Institute report: Sharing Responsibility Women, Society and Abortion Worldwide.

      • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

        What is it in socialist Scandinavia?

        • Strife

          Obviously lower than in socialist China, socialist Russia, socialist Vietnam, and socialist Ukraine.

          And your point is?

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Comprehensive sex education and lower poverty leads to less abortion.

            Oh and the 80′s called and they want their “socialist” countries back.

          • Strife

            Really? Then explain America’s number 4 ranking. And explain the fact that most of these countries are on the economic rise, while the poorer countries have lower rates.

            And tell the 80′s that 2013 called and said “They never left”

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            So these socialist countries are on the economic rise? Wait I thought socialism only brought economic ruin. Weird.

            And it is a well known fact that poor women in America are much more likely to abort.

            Another fact that should scare the heck out of Republicans…most women who abort are “people of color”. By restricting abortion, you create more Democrats. I love irony.

          • Strife

            Uhm… hey slick? These socialist countries have opened up to the capitalistic global market. That’s why they’re economics are on the rise. But their social values are still in the tank.

            So you admit that the poor minorities that the Democrats have been targeting for decades ARE in fact the leading cases of abortions.

            Thanks for clearing that up.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Ahh…I see. So they’re not really socialist anymore. Thanks for clearing that up. So why do these countries that opened up to the capitalistic global market have such higher abortion rates than socialist Scandinavia?

          • Strife

            Socialism is not limited to a closed economic market, slick.
            It has become a far reaching socio/economic ideology that harness the global market for it’s domestic oppressions. Just like your Democrats.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            But you still didn’t answer why socialist Scandinavia has such a low abortion rate. Quick…go get some answers from Faux news or the thrice-divorced atheist drug addict Rush Limbaugh.

          • Strife

            I demonstrated the inanity and irrelevance of your Scandinavia bilge.

            Quick- show me where abortion is no longer an evil in the Catholic Church.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            You utterly failed to explain why socialist Scandinavia has such a low abortion rate.

            And abortion is still an evil in the Catholic Church. But the Pope knows that you can’t stop abortion by cutting food stamps to the women most likely to abort. A lesson that will be drilled into the heads of your heroes, the Republic party.

          • Strife

            On the contrary, I made your Scandinavian canard utterly irrelevant. You’re welcome.

            And I didn’t know that food-stamps were preventing abortions. Fascinating. Because the biggest recipients of food-stamps seem to be the biggest abortion advocates. Weird.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            How exactly did you make my Scandinavian “canard” irrelevant? I must have missed that.

            Btw, here’s a pop quiz even a low-information tea partier can answer:

            If you are pregnant with already too many mouths to feed, are you more likely to abort when:

            a. You get the same amount of food stamps
            b. You get your food stamps cut

            I know, it’s a tough one.

          • Strife

            How exactly was your Scandinavian canard relevant after the list I just provided?

            Uhm hey slick?

            Did it ever occur to you that the poverty and abortions were actually symptoms of a bigger common problem?

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Absolutely it occurred to me. Pope Francis even has a name for it….he called it “savage capitalism”.

          • Strife

            Really? So capitalism creates abortions? So you support the Capitalist Obama and his ardent advocacy of abortion and infanticide.

            Do tell.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Learn from the Pope slick. Savage capitalism creates poverty for the mass of people. Poor people are more likely to abort. Simple really.

            And I am way to the left of the President. After all, I’m a Catholic.

          • Strife

            What you “learned” from the pope, slick, was his delusion that “savage capitalism” exists. Because he thinks there is actually unregulated capitalism somewhere on this planet. And guess what – there isn’t champ.

            *sigh* What a genius.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Forgive me if I prefer the teaching of the Vicar of Christ rather than an anonymous right winger in a combox.

          • Strife

            Really? I didn’t know the Vicar of Christ was an expert economist. Oh right – he ain’t.

            BTW what does the Vicar of Christ say about abortion and homosexuality?

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            I didn’t know that the Vicar of Chris was an expert bioethicist.

            You think you can reject his teachings on economics but that just makes you a dissenter.

            And for the record, the pope is against abortion and homosexual acts. By the way, he is also against lying, cheating, masturbation, divorce, gossip. And of course there are a lot more masturbators than homosexuals. Maybe that’s why he said we shouldn’t focus on abortion, homosexuality and contraception.

          • Strife

            He didn’t venture away from the morals of bioethics the way he diverted away from economic reality.

            And newsflash slick, his views on economics are not doctrine- they’re opinion and open to honest disagreement.

            However, things you support as a Democrat (abortion, homosexuality, birthcontrol, masturbation …) are all intrinsic evils. They are never acceptable. It’s not a matter of opinion. End of story. Period.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            You must have never read Rerum Novarum of his Holiness Pope Leo XIII. It is chock full of DOCTRINE that bears on economics. Look it up because if you believe you can dissent from the social doctrine of the church, you might not want to present yourself for communion.

          • Strife

            You’re delusional. What exactly am I dissenting against in the Church’s social doctrine?

            Now about those intrinsic evils you Democrats love…..

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Do you accept the teachings of Rerum Novarum and Caritatis in Veritate? Libertarians don’t.

            And there are plenty of intrinsic evils the Democrats support they just aren’t as bad as the intrinsic evils the Republicans support. And the Pope agrees with me.

          • Strife

            Have you read supplements to Rerum Novarum by later encyclicals, in particular Pius XI’s Quadragesimo Anno (1931), John XXIII’s Mater et Magistra (1961), and John Paul II’s Centesimus Annus (1991) written after the fall of communism?

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Yes I have. And Caritatis in Veritate was the latest encyclical written well after the fall of communism. Oh and guess what? The next encyclical coming from Pope Francis is on the poor. Hold on to your hat my friend.

          • Strife

            Well then, since you claim to be apprised of the context of these social teachings – tell me – What exactly am I dissenting against in the Church’s social doctrine?

            BTW the intrinsic evils of the Democrats are not subject to encyclicals or ramblings – they are set in the stone of natural law. They are immovable. They will always be evil. No exceptions.

          • Strife

            It’s getting late slick, I’m headed for bed.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            I hear you…I’m getting there myself. I enjoyed this.

          • Strife

            I’ll yell at you later. Peace.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Same to you.

          • http://canfrancisbringmeback.wordpress.com/ ganganelli

            Oh now we get to the good part. We get to see if you are a capitalist or a Catholic because you can’t be both.

            Do you believe, as the libertarians/austrians do, that a just wage is any agreed to wage between an employer and employee?

          • Strife

            Define “capitalist”. Then show me in the Catechism.

          • Strife

            What “intrinsic evils” does the Republican platform support?

  • mephis

    I think my message got eaten by the filter because I linked to other blog posts. :( But my point was: more faith, less fear. This ship will go on sailing, so there’s no need to panic over these things. Pope Francis is a change in style, but it’s not necessarily a bad thing. He has crept up to many a sworn Church-hater and startled them with the Gospel. That’s more than what most of us are capable of doing. Also, I’ve read enough of him to know that he’s a good and wise man, so approaching these interviews with charity is what I recommend. That’s not to say his wording is always perfect – it clearly isn’t -, but that I trust that his intentions are usually right.

  • AugustineThomas

    Whenever I want to be humble I just tell everyone how humble I am and enjoy the praise–that’s my understanding of what humility means, getting everyone to praise me!!!

    Just how “real faith in God” means believing in whatever I think is “Good” regardless of Christ and all his pesky, trad-like moralizing!!!

    • Strife

      Yep. Forget the Cross. All that matters is that people feel good about themselves no matter how horribly sinful their beliefs and actions. That is what Christ said wasn’t it? That was Christ’s definition of “goodness” wasn’t it? Oh wait. No. No it wasn’t.

      God forbid that God’s Truths in the Roman Catholic Faith should ever offend anyone. Why, everyone knows Christ came to make people feel good about their sins!

      The Devil is having a field-day in the Church right now.

  • jenny

    ..not having a job leads to many sins in very short time…..Did anyone try to get up in the morning with no bread, toilet paper, shoes for children , no phone and bulbs…because there is no work and no money?
    Try for one year, and you will see what kind of evil it is………………..what sense of hope for a young person?

  • Guest

    Katrina, with all due respect, this “article,” or rather “online response” you have written is far too caustic, flippant, and anti-intellectual to do any good.